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davidt
on Wednesday April 11 2001, @10:00AM
Jean-Baptiste writes:
In an interview (sfx.com), David Gahan mentioned Morrissey saying "I think a lot of the time people view us as being doom merchants, in the same sort of vein as Leonard Cohen or Morrissey, and we don't see it like that at all". You can read the full interview here.
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labels labels are no fun. (Score:1)
****sidenote**** there are of course several morrissey/smiths songs that are truly depressing, but its not to those that i was referring.
i do, however, agree with david that depeche mode are not as gloomy as folks say. any song that has a dark or sad vibe to it (no matter the artist) is more realistic, in my opinion. writing about obsession, loss, or loneliness doesnt make the artist a doom merchant, it makes them relatable.
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Doom merchants, my arse! (Score:1, Insightful)
Incidentally, Depeche Mode's new single is out on the 23rd April (UK) and is quite superb, as one might expect. I'd recommend it to all. And I've never thought of them as doom merchants either...
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DM....Superb Band (Score:1)
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Morrissey for the Masses (Score:1)
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Maybe they should be doom merchants (Score:1)
Much of human beings' passions come from rejection and loneliness - they need to "explode with passion" because they're being strangled by a life that shuts them in a social/intellectual box.
Moz blows up like this all of the time in his music. That rejection and loneliness is what gives things the "doom merchant" feelings. Moz identifies with my rebellious, passionate, outsider self. Only some like Tori Amos can summon those sort of forces in their writings and music(Tori is powerful - a beautiful artist, but Moz may make a little more sense with his wit). Those that misunderstand him most are those that do not identify. What do many critics, who regularly wade through a beach full of disgusting modern pop and irritating repetition, have to do in their nice speakers, nice desk lives but come up with a quick conclusion. That Moz is purely depressing. Have they ever heard the happy tracks? Nay. Do they understand the dark singles? Nay. Does David? Apparently nay.
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Oh shut up will ya! (Score:0)
old news (Score:1)
anyone?
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All over Basildon, some hope and some despair... (Score:0)
Dave, as much as I love him, has always said weird things in interviews. Around the time of the Devotional tour I think he intimated that the back catalogue wasn't up to much.
Martin Gore has on occasions cited The Smiths (and Leonard Cohen also) as being a major influence on DM. Alan Wilder also (as recently as a year or two ago) said something on his website (http://www.recoil.co.uk) along the lines of "I'm a great admirer of his words"
blah blah blah (Score:0)
Depeche Mode (Score:2, Interesting)
Depeche Mode are one of the most overrated bands ever, as evidenced by their selling out football stadiums in the U.S. Their early 80's stuff sounds dated and cheap (if you want to hear an 80's band who used technology in a timeless way, see New Order). To steal a phrase from an article in a recent UNCUT, DM sound like a Fisher Price version of New Order.
Then came the post "Music For The Masses" period. While some of the tunes from this era were okay, they ruined everything with their live shows. It was all Dave Gahan in rock star mode--shirt open, yelling out, "C'mon!" and following every other rock cliche, heroin addiction and all.
And it's not only their music that sounds dated, have you looked at their photo shoots? Or what I should ask is, can you look at one of those old photo shoots without laughing outloud?! The Smiths and New Order outdo them in the image stakes as well.
Futhermore that whole "doom merchant" thing was partly self perpetuated. While Morrissey can defend himself from such claims by pointing to his witty and often absurdly funny lyrics, Depeche Mode wouldn't know the first thing about a sense of humor. The whole S&M/bondage thing didn't help matters any either.
Depeche Mode don't matter and the bands they inspired (NIN, for example) don't matter one bit either. They have always all about style over substance.
Oh, and this isn't a personal attack. Martin Gore recently moved into my town where most of their upcoming album was recorded (I won't disclose where I live just in case there are still a few people who don't know where he's moved. He does, afterall, deserve as much anonymity as he can still salvage!) I've had a few pints with he and his wife, and they are two of the loveliest people I've ever met (his wife physically as well!!! *gulp*). He's a very kind man and treats his fans (and non-fans as he knows I'm very much not one) in an exemplary way. Furthermore, when they are in town they both DJ at the bar I go to and they're two of the best DJ's I've heard in this god forsaken, musically deprived town. In short, I'm just expressing an opinion about Depeche Mode, not the individuals which comprise the band.
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