posted by davidt on Saturday January 13 2001, @12:15PM
thegirlracer writes: Morrissey made #31 on this MTV countdown about gender-bending and sexuality for "proclaiming his celibacy." It featured several beautiful clips of him talking about his "non-sexuality" and even mentioned his maniacal fans. It featured clips from both the "Alma Matters" and "Tomorrow" videos.

Earl Graphite also writes: On Saturday January 13, 2001, MTV aired a show called "Hips, Lips, and Gender-Benders" at 1PM E.S.T. The hour long show was a countdown of the 40 top artists/videos who have sparked controversy with a combination of music and sex. Morrissey was #31 on the list. Billed as the first artist in an industry overrun with sex to proclaim celibacy. As we all know, MTV tends to rerun its shows over and over and over and over, so if you missed it, check it out!
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  • The show (Score:2, Informative)

    It will be on again tonight, at 8 PM Central.

    The video clips of Morrissey being interviewed are from 1992, I wish we could see something more new. Is he still celibate? Sometimes, it doesn't seem that way. It's kind of old news, but this is a retrospective show, after all. And while it was great to see Morrissey on TV, and the amusing insight that "the only thing worse than talking about sex is talking about not having sex", it is kind of annoying when the MTV staffers chortle and dismiss Morrissey's celibacy talk as "a movement that never caught on". I don't think he was ever out to start a movement.
    Benji -- Saturday January 13 2001, @12:51PM (#6529)
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  • .....let me guess who was in the top 10?? Probably people like Boy George, Marilyn Manson and Madonna , yaaaaaaaawn. I think Morrissey should be up there for anyone can put on a lot of make-up and claim to promote some kind of sexual revolution - but declaring the opposite was very special and brave.
    Mozzarella -- Saturday January 13 2001, @01:06PM (#6530)
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  • There is something very wrong about including Morrissey on this list. MTV could never, by its very nature, feature Morrissey in a non-insidious way.

    Boy George (with his retarded sidekick), Madonna, all other rockers who are so "controversial" sexually, why do they come across so conventional in their interviews, in their lyrics, in their opinions? These people and 99% of all rockers are completely a part of the industry and industry itself. There is nothing remotely unsettling about them. Their "deviancy" is completely predictable and welcome. They play at things like Band-Aid and Live-Aid. Morrissey's true colors, true wisdom, are nowhere clearer than in his opposition to these events.

    Morrissey has a mind of his own.

    I find MTV repulsive, boring and wholly conservative and I could not stand to watch it for more than 30 seconds.
    Passing Kijowski <[email protected]> -- Saturday January 13 2001, @03:54PM (#6532)
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    • Re:Conventional "Unconventionality" by Benji (Score:1) Saturday January 13 2001, @05:04PM
    • I could not agree with you more. Mr. Morrissey's views were crooned unto my ears when i was but 8 years old upon the release of their first album, and my perspectives regarding sexuality have reflected his lyrical insights ever since. MTV (it hurts to even type the letters) has always adorned itselfe abnoxiously with superficial themas, marketable contradictions, and in my humble opinion, is perhaps the greatest contributing force to the sensationalisation of sexuality and the poisoning of an era which cries desperately for a voice of reason and wisdom. His voice is there, full force, and it only makes sense that he made not the top ten of their pathetic little list. As an endnote, i once read an interview with the man himselfe, where he was asked if he was still "celibate." His response seemed rather irritated, and he stated, "I'm sick of addressing this issue. Look up the word 'celibate' in the dictionary. It means that one 'will never marry'." Hmmmm...
      RodnieTheGrommit -- Saturday January 13 2001, @06:16PM (#6537)
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  • Ah, the only 30 seconds that I'll be ABLE to watch of this is the Morrissey part. Bah, blech to MTV, although I have read of MTV staff as wanting the Smiths to reunite. Still, the whole purpose of that media shithole is to brainwash the kids today, I, being 18, am one of those people who was being raised to see the demise of some of the good music being in the spotlight - Tori Amos, Radiohead, Nine Inch, Depeche, Weezer, and others, and if not the best then at least some people with substance - but now it is all money, all style - no one on MTV right now comes close to Morrissey's poetics! The words just have to go right with the image, not the image going right with the words(as with Moz). And the sad truth is, the majority jerks off to this everyday, buzzing their heads into pop dredge, spawned on MTV and creeping on radios in the offices, cars, Taco Bells and restaurants everyday in a musically putrid America. Maybe Moz could write about some of that in his new album, if it is worth his attention at all...
    Whoaba <[email protected]> -- Saturday January 13 2001, @05:10PM (#6536)
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  • My best advice to our gifted muse is to take a long shower to wash out the filth of noMusic TV and a culture he is better off with out.
    dagenhamdooley -- Sunday January 14 2001, @12:26AM (#6542)
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  • britany spears and her "almost-nude" performance at one of those video music awards shows was number one. i thought that because they had included morrissey on this list, they would have been a little more subversive...apparently not.

    "...but you've got a lot of nerve to call yourself a pioneer when you're too goddamned conservative to take real chances..."--the dead kennedys, "mtv get off the air"

    Anonymous -- Sunday January 14 2001, @11:51AM (#6547)
  • {Hey Anon. : Great DK quote. }

    The only reason I kept the tv on after the Moz segment was to see who MTV had the audacity to rank above him. I think that by including Moz in the countdown, MTV was trying to throw a little something to people (like us) with taste and intelligence. However, they succeeded only in making foppish generalizations on important topics like sexuality and individuality.

    I wish that MTV would stop trying to pretend that they have any amount of musical integrity left and simply accept the fact that they pander to a a contrived audience that they, themselves, have constructed out of the mire of post-pop modernism and happy meals. They'd best stick with Britney, Madonna (who is a musical thief), and N'Sync....the facade has worn thin.
    tremulous heart -- Sunday January 14 2001, @02:02PM (#6553)
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  • I myself was extremly shocked this morning when I glanced passed the so called "Music Television"!!! Never in my wildest dreams did I ever expect to find our Charming Morrissey on a show about "Hips, Lips, and Genderbenders"...apparently anything can happen!
    At first,of course I was happy simply knowing that i was to see Moz in a few seconds. My happiness soon turned to hate when I saw, what i thought was a semi-intelegent MTV news person making Morrissey out to be someone who had tried to start a new sexual revolution and failed. This is incredibly rediculious. A revolution is not started in pre meditation, it simply begins to happen. It's apperent that MTV thought that giving an intelegent, well thought out person like Morrissey a slot in their top 40 most sexual whatevers list would give them higher ratings. Well, in my opinon the messed up by making a mockery of OUR MAN!!!!
    sunnygirl <[email protected]> -- Sunday January 14 2001, @08:21PM (#6559)
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  • Did anyone notice that a minute or two before Moz's part..they were talking about David Bowie and androgeny and they showed pictures of annie lennox and boy george when suddenly, a little clip of Moz from the 'tomorrow' video was shown. Was this a mistake? Sure moz did some gender bending..but full on androgeny....?
    VickyR -- Sunday January 14 2001, @09:20PM (#6560)
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    • Re:one other thing.. by loafingoaf55 (Score:1) Tuesday January 16 2001, @12:49AM
      • Re:one other thing.. (Score:2, Interesting)

        Morrissey is all about emotional and mental androgyny. And while all his musical idols when he was young were physically androgynous, he's never really been. Well, maybe just in the way he moves.
        Benji -- Tuesday January 16 2001, @01:12PM (#6584)
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  • The whole interview talks about how he only comes to real life when he performs on stage and his, celibacy, and how he put all his sexual energies into making records.
    Anonymous -- Monday January 15 2001, @01:18AM (#6562)
  • i just caught this on MTV and well i look at it from the positive view point being... at least the old MOZZER is getting some kind of exposure, and yes they did mention us, his fans as staying true to him and some other stuff... but on the other hand they could have at least tried to get something a little more recent, put him and David Bowie at least in the 20's or teens, and that chris dood or whatever could have been less of a prick... but thats just what i think.
    ilovemoz -- Tuesday January 16 2001, @09:34PM (#6591)
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