posted by davidt on Thursday August 14 2008, @11:00PM
Link from mell posted in the forums (original post):

Message from Morrissey - true-to-you.net
14 August 2008

MESSAGE FROM MORRISSEY.

The slapdash release of Morrissey live at the Hollywood Bowl is done by Warner without any consultation to me whatsoever, and is in breach of their terms as laid out by themselves in an agreement made for the film between Warner and my ex-manager. Being Warner, predictably the sleeve art is appalling. It is the work of cash-hounds, and I urge people NOT to buy it. I am not signed to Warner, and no royalties from this dvd will come to me. Please spend your money elsewhere. thank you, MORRISSEY.
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  • Paint A Vulgar Picture, Indeed!
    Miranda_Grey <{mirandagrey} {at} {earthlink.net}> -- Thursday August 14 2008, @11:08PM (#309667)
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  • That's a pretty terse comment from Moz. He sounds rather cross.

    But the dilemma is whether to buy it or not. I'd hate to cross the Mozster, but I'd love to see the film.
    Anonymous -- Thursday August 14 2008, @11:11PM (#309668)
    • Re:Dilemma by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday August 14 2008, @11:31PM
    • Re:Dilemma by Panic40 (Score:1) Friday August 15 2008, @03:10AM
    • Re:Dilemma by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 15 2008, @07:58AM
      • Re:Dilemma by Anonymous (Score:0) Saturday August 16 2008, @09:36AM
    • Re:Dilemma by moz14 (Score:1) Sunday August 17 2008, @08:27AM
  • all we should care about is whether morrissey gets royalties or not?

    should we expect a live from hayarkon park in the future then? will the wages of that atrocity benefit any real human being at all?
    bangpound -- Thursday August 14 2008, @11:32PM (#309671)
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  • Sorry Moz. I will buy it because i love your music.
    Anonymous -- Thursday August 14 2008, @11:34PM (#309672)
    • Re:dvd by Anonymous (Score:0) Saturday August 16 2008, @09:39AM
    • Re:dvd by markmustb1 (Score:0) Saturday August 16 2008, @01:42PM
  • so, the Warner are going to release this upcoming DVD without his permission/approval, without no royalties at all to him? well, it reminds me with the old saga, Joyce vs Moz, but different situation or angle. slavery or fallacy?
    Peter Marr -- Thursday August 14 2008, @11:40PM (#309673)
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  • Dearest Morrissey,

    Seems you have all the right reasons to demand a boycot. you are totally clear.

    But..

    I simply love your music and concerts, which means I follow you arround the globe to enjoy the Morrissey experience. unfortunately I have a job, and a mortgage so can't travel all year, so every now and then I watch dvd's like 'Who put the M in Manchfester' on a big screen, with the volume on ten. To satisfy my Morrissey gig needs.

    Warner is simply giving us what we want. You. In order to make your boycot succesfull I suggest you bring out another recent, with equal quality setlist, live show on dvd. Otherwise the Hollywood dvd is like the forbidden fruit with no alternatives at hand. Just too tempty.

    Cheers
    DD, Rotterdam

         
    Dagenham Daap -- Friday August 15 2008, @12:10AM (#309674)
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  • For Fuck sake Moz.....stop bleating.....why don't you release your own live video then, you twat. You know we want it and will buy it...ergo....you get your precious royalties....and we get offical/good quality gear.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @12:15AM (#309675)
  • I rather like the cover. Maybe Moz should use cash hounds more often? It's better than the cringe-inducing Who Put the M in Manchester. Why can't we have more cover art on single and album covers rather than just another old Moz pic?
    15minuteswithyou -- Friday August 15 2008, @12:20AM (#309678)
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    • Re:Cover by I Am Acton (Score:1) Friday August 15 2008, @01:03AM
    • Re:Cover by Panda (Score:1) Friday August 15 2008, @05:00AM
  • a Breach of Contract on the part or Warners, why not stop it?

    He doesn't usually shy away from legal redress when he thinks he's been wronged. My guess is he's being slightly economical with the truth.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @12:24AM (#309679)
  • getting no royalties at all? Go to Court then! Unless Merck managed to secure a big lump sum up front, that is. Would the band really have agreed to being filmed without payment? Of course not.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @12:27AM (#309680)
  • Cash Hound??????????? It sounds like hes the one who is a cash hound with his bitchy "i wont make any royalties out of this" statement. Ill buy the dvd if i want....who cares what morrissey thinks.
    DeckardtheReplicant -- Friday August 15 2008, @12:28AM (#309681)
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    • Re:Who Cares? by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 15 2008, @07:59PM
      • Re:Who Cares? by Anonymous (Score:0) Sunday August 17 2008, @04:31PM
  • what a greedy selfish git he has turned out to be...i used to hang on every word that man had to say....now i just find him obnoxious. its all money money money with him....what a WANKER! give it up now moz...u havent released anything good since Vauxhall
    DeckardtheReplicant -- Friday August 15 2008, @12:35AM (#309682)
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  • They`d sacrifice all
    All their principles for
    anything cashable
    I do believe it`s terrible
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @12:44AM (#309683)
  • Moz just hates the cover cos his wrist is limp on it. It's not a bad cover, way better than 'M in Manchester'. Moz seems obsessed with royalties, how much money does he need? I respect his wishes to have a say in the release of a dvd, but it always seems to come down to money with him. Has he done a concert for charity in recent years? There are kids dying every day of starvation and abuse and all he can bleat about are fucking royalties. I'm getting sick of all the complaining about judges and court and royalties. Now that I'm complaining myself, what other artist charges full whack for a concert ticket and then plays for maybe an hour and 10 minutes? Now that's a scam.
    ACTON
    I Am Acton -- Friday August 15 2008, @01:09AM (#309687)
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  • Look Morrissey, I love your music very much and you general attitude to life. I totally understand your view on this DVD and can empathise with your annoyance over the DVD and it's being released against your contractual agreement, but you have to understand something... I am an addict. I am addicted to your music.

    I couldn't afford to fly to America to follow you there and, while I missed you during your epic American tour, I didn't begrudge the Yanks their time with you. But I have to have this DVD you see, because I want to see the show.

    Equally, I want to respect your wishes, so what I am proposing is this...

    1. Select an alternative cover shot and make your selection known via true-to-you. I will then download the image and make a new cover as per your instructions.

    2. Work out what you think the royalties from one DVD should be and let us know, again via TTY. I will then send a cheque via your record company.

    Thus, both you and I get what we want from this DVD debacle.

    It's the best I can offer, I have to have the DVD.

    Sorry.

    Forgive me?

    Kitty3780 -- Friday August 15 2008, @01:20AM (#309690)
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  • I'm still gonna buy it.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @01:48AM (#309694)
    • Re:Sorry but by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 15 2008, @07:56AM
  • ...predictably the sleeve art is appalling."

    Unlike the Southpaw Grammar, Maladjusted and recent Greatest Hits sleeve art then?

    I have a sneaking feeling that this DVD could well turn out to be the best-selling Moz product of recent years. Which would be a rather entertaining irony.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @02:00AM (#309696)
  • "I am not signed to Warner, and no royalties from this dvd will come to me. Please spend your money elsewhere."

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Now I'm definitely gonna buy it!
    Eric Hartman -- Friday August 15 2008, @02:03AM (#309697)
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    It is a very mixed blessing to be brought back from the dead.
    • Re:How sad... by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 15 2008, @02:30AM
  • I love Morrissey and his music but he's starting to do my head in now. Its as if hes changed, sold out even. He doesn't seem to hold the same principles he used to have.
    Fair enough he doesn't like the release of this DVD, he's entitled to express his views. But bringing royalties into it portayed him as a very selfish, money obsessed person, something I thought Morrissey was the opposite of. If he'd said he doesn't agree with the release, that he's got nothing to do with it, he doesn't like it, then fair play. But mentioning royalties just makes him look like yet another crashing bore!
    I think the old Morrissey's dead. He doesn't seem to give a damn about anything now except earning more and more money. Its sad. So I'm going to buy the DVD, firstly because it looks great and I need to feed my Morrissey addiction like everybody else, but also because of what he said. I think we should all go out and buy it in droves, try to make it a high-selling Morrissey item and try to knock some sense back into old Mozza, maybe he'll wake up to see the kind of person he has become, or is becoming.
    Morrissey, come back.........
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @02:27AM (#309704)
  • I have followed Morrissey for 15 years and still have enormous respect for his work. As a lyricist he just touches the parts others can't. But what a crashing bore he has become! Moz - for pity's sake GET OVER the judges, the northern leeches, the uncivil servants blah, blah, blah,,,,you are a very, very rich man with a lifestyle 99% of the world's population would kill to have. So stop bleating on about royalties and being hard done by will you? While we're at it can you stop touring your ass off and concentrate on writing some decent material - AYNIS, THPGU, MLSOTRB, etc etc are all utterly, utterly shite.....christ, what happened??
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @02:37AM (#309707)
  • The real Morrissey died back in 1994 just after releasing Vauxhall and I.....The man claiming to be him since then is nothing but a poor imitation, a replicant. MORRISSEY IS DEAD.
    DeckardtheReplicant -- Friday August 15 2008, @02:40AM (#309708)
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  • I'll spend my money where I bloody well please, you jumped up twit!
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @02:57AM (#309716)
  • Another year and Morrissey is still whinging about record companies! Some things never change. Am I surprised? Not really! Whatever next, a falling out with the NME perhaps? Oh, hang on a minute........

    The reason I won't buy this dvd is not because Morrissey says not to, but because I don't want to hear songs that I hold dear to my heart totally slaughtered by his current backing band. But that's another debate all on it's own.........!!!
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @02:58AM (#309717)
  • Wouldnt it be hilarious if it was his biggest seller....next time hes doing a record signing im gonna get him to sign a copy of my Hollywood Bowl DVD...then hand him a euro for his troubles. what a twat
    DeckardtheReplicant -- Friday August 15 2008, @03:16AM (#309723)
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    • Re:An Idea by Anonymous (Score:0) Saturday August 23 2008, @12:51PM
  • The sleeve art isn't actually that bad. Compared to, say, 'The Malady Lingers On'. Ah well. So why have Warners decided to arbitrarily omit 'I Just Want To See The Boy Happy'?
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @03:21AM (#309724)
    • Re:Sleeve by DeckardtheReplicant (Score:1) Friday August 15 2008, @03:28AM
  • Warners wouldn't have filmed this concert for free out of the good of their hearts, so presumably Morrissey tried to wangle a freebie out of them whilst dangling the possibility that he might sign to Warner after leaving Sanctuary.
    Let them make their money back I say.

    It's the same thing we had when EMI re-issued Hulmerist on DVD and Morrissey called for fans to boycott it - Morrissey doesn't give a flying shit about quality of product, all he cares about is whether he makes any cash from it.

    In the future I predict very few remaining studio albums, as Morrissey flirts with then burns off every remining record company who might be interested in him. He's already rich by most peoples standards, yet it seems all he cares about is money.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @03:25AM (#309725)
    • Hulmerist by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 15 2008, @10:55AM
  • He seems different even from the 2002 days. When he seemed genuinely appreciative of the support and everything.

    I guess he's never been as popular as he is now - and it's turned him into a diva.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @03:27AM (#309726)
    • Re:Changed man by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 15 2008, @08:12AM
    • Re:Changed man by Chiffon_Housecoat (Score:1) Friday August 15 2008, @08:49AM
      • Re:Changed man by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 15 2008, @11:00AM
        • Re:Changed man by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 15 2008, @01:29PM
          • hmmm by Anonymous (Score:0) Saturday August 16 2008, @03:11AM
            • Re:hmmm by Chiffon_Housecoat (Score:1) Saturday August 16 2008, @04:29AM
            • Re:hmmm by Chiffon_Housecoat (Score:1) Saturday August 16 2008, @04:33AM
  • on here, after all it is so-low. However, I'm sure Morrissey is right to say what he did. Talking about unfairness, he loses money to Mike Joyce every day. Why shouldn't he object to others making money off him? Are most of the posts on here written by Joyce?
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @03:44AM (#309732)
  • I would like to pay 50 pounds for it! I'm addicted to Moz.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @04:00AM (#309735)
  • I'm told what to do, what not to buy and what not to eat. Who does he think he is?
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @04:07AM (#309737)
  • Whilst we're on the subject, let's hope the Albert Hall show from 2002 gets released on DVD as well. That concert meant something to those who attended as this was back in the day when Morrissey appreciated his fanbase and had integrity. Unlike the jumped up pantry boy that he seems to have become these days....
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @04:08AM (#309738)
  • do 3 shows on US soil this fall on a weekend and location of your choice in Oct or Nov and I'll spend my money on that instead.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @04:51AM (#309743)
  • How can this guy, who has sold millions of records and has one of the most devoted - OK, not the largest - fanbases in the world, get ripped off time and again? This isn't early Smiths work - this is him as a solo artist. Far less commercially successful artists seem to have way more control over what gets released whereas time and again shoddy stuff is apparently released without his permission. Someone must read his contracts - he's signed enough of them.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @04:55AM (#309744)
  • Morrissey does whatever he wants even if you do love him and his music. I don't understand why people don't get that. There is enough YouTube Morrissey concert videos out there to last me. But of course that's just me. At least he's not going after YouTube for royalties. Hope he never does.
    Franissey (Fran)
  • I will download it illegally then...
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @05:51AM (#309754)
    • Re:well... by emmanuela_7 (Score:1) Friday August 15 2008, @06:29AM
      • Fickle much? by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 15 2008, @09:14PM
  • i like the cover, i guess the limp wrist isnt great but i think the typography is reasonable, certainly above average for a morrissey release. i also think a live dvd is long overdue, obviously id prefer it morrissey backed but if its this or nothing, ill deffinately be buying it.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @05:54AM (#309756)
  • from this... thats bunch a BS
    Just Morrissey being dramatic
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @05:54AM (#309757)
    • I agree by Anonymous (Score:0) Sunday August 17 2008, @06:22PM
  • Me registering on this site is long over due (laziness). But I am addicted to this thread and had to be part of it!

    Each post brings a smile to my face. Moz's music speaks to us all, and personally I have never related so much to anyone, ever! as I do to Moz.

    Popular opinion on this new DVD is that he is way out of line with his comments, and I agree... the bloke should never have mentioned the royalties.

    Hopefully he does read these boards, and will re think making comments like that in the future when alls well.

    Because we do want it to be well, and for Moz to keep speaking to us through his music. I cannot believe people post that he has been off the boil since Vauxhall... C'mon, You are the quarry maybe sprinkled with LA glitter... but each track is extra special. "I like you, because you're not right in the head" "and nor am I".

    x
    unklejunior -- Friday August 15 2008, @06:00AM (#309758)
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  • Moz, I want to see you so badly. I've been hoping that you would actually release a DVD of the Tijuana show instead, which was also filmed. I'll try my hardest not to buy this DVD. I'm hoping some resourceful Solo-ers will make this available for download (and you won't sue)!

    I agree with one of the posters above, if you announce some shows this fall, I will gladly spend my money going to see you instead. Please, please, please let me get what I want. :)
    mell -- Friday August 15 2008, @06:37AM (#309762)
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  • hello all, hello moz

    just had to get involved here as im the producer on this dvd release. im not gonna comment on the morality or legal stuff, just to say to fans (of which i count myself). its a great concert/performance (in full, 101mins), super high bit rate video, with pcm stereo & 5.1. professionally filmed & mixed. the dvd design is simple but made with care. mozza's set and performance is amazing, particularly 'please please let me get what i want'. it's ntsc as it's a global release, originally filmed in high def. make up your own minds whether or not to get it...

    ps there's actually 23 tracks - i just want to see the boy happy is in there too
    mc_muzzle -- Friday August 15 2008, @06:46AM (#309763)
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  • Morrissey, you sound like a complete cock-end. Get a grip will you for fucks sake. While you're at it, get a new band too. The music stinks.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @07:08AM (#309769)
  • This thread has kept me entertained all day. And now someone from the dvd production company puts his 2 cents worth in. Excellent! Get over yourself morrissey, you're hardly short of cash and someone who represents you must have agreed to this all? If it's such a drag why don't you threaten them with legal action. I hear that you are a dab hand with issuing writs. If not, we're not interested in your petty disputes. Do something more constructive with your time like audition a few new band members or write a decent tune. Rant over.

       
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @07:15AM (#309770)
  • One person buy it, then branch it out on the web so that everyone can download it. Everyones happy because they got their Morrissey concert, and Morrissey's happy because sales are poor. This is one Morrissey item I won't feel bad downloading. Remember who ever buys it, put it up (with links on here ofcourse) on the internet.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @07:19AM (#309772)
    • Re:Idea! by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 15 2008, @07:37AM
      • I would by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 15 2008, @09:46AM
  • Either Morrissey is

    a) lying; or
    b) doesn't understand how the complex music royalties system works; or
    c) has stupidly signed away all copyright in all of his work for past 25 years - which would be rather stupid, given the way he has constantly complained about Joyce.

    If it is c), then he has absolutely no right to complain or tell us how to spend our money. If all royalties are going to Warner and aren't being paid on to Moz, that is his doing, and he would have received a rather large cash sum for Warner to be able to do it.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @07:37AM (#309775)
    • Re:Hmm by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 15 2008, @10:03PM
  • I will be buying it because it is the only way that I can see you perform, because you wont come to Canada.
    Years Of Refusal -- Friday August 15 2008, @07:42AM (#309776)
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    • Re:I am buying it. by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 15 2008, @08:00AM
      • Re:I am buying it. by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 15 2008, @12:34PM
      • Duh by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 15 2008, @09:28PM
        • Re:Duh by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday August 15 2008, @09:36PM
  • Ok Morrissey I don't know if you read this wonderful website (I bet you do! You want to know what everyone thinks of you!) but I'll make this plea anyway....but I need your attention first so you need to stop thinking about money, ok? OK?? Morrissey? Listen up! Good, good, now that I've got your attention, will you stop thinking about money and start listening to me? Ok, thank-you!

    You see the problem? Its always about money now. Why? I can remember the days when you had principles (yes, principles remember them?) and you stuck two fingers up to the establishment, both the political and music types. Now you're just becoming another part of the system. You used to be an outsider, speaking for the underdog! Now, well you're just a part of a whole big system aimed at making more money. Why?

    Morrissey, I love you. God you saved my life with your music. I used to adore you (I still do, I think). But you're undoing it all now! Why? You're above money surely? You knew where you came from, you've known how this life can wear you down, nobodies saying you don't deserve money from the music you create but don't you see its now becoming all about the money? This isn't what you stood for was it? Its not the person you wanted to be! Please, please, please take a walk back into reality and realise that this is not the way forward, this is not the way you want to be living your life. Step away from all those clinger ons around you and listen to the people who really care about you: your fans.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @07:53AM (#309778)
  • No Royalties? My ARSE! He was paid north of 150 thousand QUID as a advance to gain the rights to fiim this show. A mate of mine worked the shoot.
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @08:00AM (#309781)
  • See he wants more money to buy double cheeseburgers he secretly scoffs when no-one is looking! He can't get enough of them!
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @08:03AM (#309783)
  • How truly disappointing Moz has turned out to be.. I will download, burn it and then celebrate by eating a giant bacon cheeseburger while wearing a fur coat clubbing a baby seal:-)
    Anonymous -- Friday August 15 2008, @08:42AM (#309794)
  • "Lighten Up, Morrissey"
    Chiffon_Housecoat -- Friday August 15 2008, @09:13AM (#309799)
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