I guess we know now that it was real!

No. 6

if they kept their mouth shut then the letter would have gone down as a probable fake.

perhaps morrisey really was the one who posted it, since he realized most of us were saying it ws a fake. he took it s step further and got his lawyers involved to make it more authentic. now it will make the tabloids...! well if that's what he wants, that's what he gets

unless the letter from the lawyer is a fake. sorry morrissey...like you said, only true-to-you could be trusted as coming from you.

p.s. Morrissey, I always felt In The Future When All Is Well will be your mainstream hit off this album...not The Youngest Was The Most Loved.

pps...i've been complaining about Sanctuary for the last couple years. ditch them! they are responsible for a poor quality Live CD, a 2004 US tour that could have been much better, and poorly promoted recent studio album. they've been finished for a while now and you seem to not get this? What's the point off bitching to Merck when really you shouldn't expect much from a dead horse.

So it was real!

And Morrissey real WAS mad at Sanctuary for the dismal performance of 'The Youngest Was The Most Loved'!

The style of the email seemed so... 'Morrissey'... that I assumed it had been done by a fan... but no.

But who could have leaked it?

can anyone repost it somewhere or send it to me in a email? I never saw it!! Please, please I must see it!!! be so kind...

can someone please recap the letter, the just of it?

It was a letter from Morrissey to Merck at Sanctuary, sent via Morrissey's secuity guard's email account.

In it, Morrissey complained about the promotion for 'The Youngest Was The Most Loved' and said he was very disappointed by its UK chart position:-

He placed the blame firmly on Sanctuary's shoulders, for the single's failure.

He stated how he felt that 'The Youngest Was The Most Loved' was just made to be a hit, and was a great song.

He stated he was aware of the world cup songs being released that week.

He accused some relevant Sanctuary employees of being out of the country at a time critical to the single's UK promotion.

Basically, generally he was very upset by the whole business of the low chart position and exposure, given the quality of the song and the video.

I guess special thanks should go to Morrissey's law firm for confirmation as to the author of that email. Most people, including myself, believed it was a hoax.

I'm curious to know who posted that email as well as the motivation behind it, but we may never know the answer to that.

Guess it goes to show you never know who is lurking around here.

what does this mean for the future relationship between Moz and Sanctuary? If he drops them, where could he possibly go next? I don't think I could stand another 7 years of silence.

Is himself for writing such a boring song. In The Future When Alls Well just isnt very good. I have had the desire to listen to You Have Killed Me many times since its release but never had such a desire to listen to this poor single.

And no 14 isnt that low

The Divine Comedys lastest single got to 57 and their album (which in my opinion is better than Moz's) only reached 41 AND they are on Parlophone.

everyone just let this subject go? Obviously they are serious about this, and it would be awful if members were to get in trouble over talking about it. Everything's been said already, anything else is fairly redundant.

Shelly

This is a bit like when Winston Smith has to say that two plus two equals five and all Moz fans must now tell Moz 'The Youngest Was The Most Loved' was a classic single and deserved to get high.. higheeeughhh no I cant do it :(

Did the lawyer not indicate that his letter was also protected by copyright?

Is this the same firm of lawyers who were involved with the previous case -v- Morrissey-Solo?

I just wonder why he still uses a firm based in California if he hasn't live there for ages, and is it a coincedence about the Weitzman, maybe Jed has a relative there and is getting his own back on Moz for his sour words.

I just think that by sending this e-mail from the lawyers is a bit stupid, let sleeping dogs die and all that?

From http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/newsevents/news_archive s/gabriel_05.html

May 19, 2006. Gregory S. Gabriel '05 has joined a newly formed firm with high-profile entertainment and business litigators Dale F. Kinsella and Howard Weitzman and three other associates from Greenberg Glusker Fields Claman & Machtinger. The new Santa Monica-based firm opened on April 17 as Kinsella Weitzman Iser Kump & Aldisert.

Gabriel said in a recent interview, "I think those guys have the ability to grow an amazing practice, and it’s a great opportunity to get into the firm on the ground floor." Some of Kinsella and Weitzman’s clients include Rob Lowe, Sean Penn, Julia Roberts, Courtney Love, Paris Hilton and artist Thomas Kinkade.

just done a google search.

not relevant to this thread, but i'm surprised david t has not posted anything about morrissey showing up to the 2006 moz/smiths convention at the henry fonda in hollywood.

That this only comes to light after I post a question on the original thread asking why Morrissey and his lawyers have not sent some sort of "STOP THIS" rant to the site?

I am not saying if it is legit or if it is indeed another hoax but I do find it strange that after the thread being up for so long this should happen within 24 hours of me posting that question.

...got involved. People who remarked if Morrissey would have done nothing, it would have died. True. But now that the lawyers are now involved, I want to see that email. I'm sure I'll find it somewhere, somehow. I feel sorry for you DavidT. Fan of Morrissey & all you get are lawyers on your ass. I support DavidT & will always be TRUE-TO-MORRISSEY-SOLO.

you can still find the original letter if you do a search on google, and click on the 'cached version'!! (I might post it below too, don't be scared David, I know Morrissey wouldn't run from lawyers threats!!!!! He gets them all the time you know from Mr Joyce and doesn't give two hoots about them)

I think both the original letter and the law firm request are fiction

and I'm not sure that copyright really exists and that they would really take action - especially as copyright infringement action is usually due to someone making a profit from that abuse of copyright infringement, not the case here

I'm sure the NME would have no qualms printing, tabloids print 'secret letters' all the time, and only get sued when they are incorrect, perhaps I should email them with a copy, make an interesting story for them to follow up, now Mozzers on the slide they can get stuck in again!!!

...I think it's weird that he said this, "despite...enormous tabloid coverage of my animal rights comments". This almost makes it seem that he only said those things for publicity, which is something I never thought Moz would do. Strange. Although to be fair, we know he believes strongly in his animal rights comments. I just think it's strange that he would lump such comments in with the list of the other more mundane promotional activities...

I think it is funny that the banner add on moz solo that keeps popping up is :

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Is he the tall, (not sure if he's) hispanic looking guy that follows M everywhere & escorts M off the stage, to the car & to the hotel? My bad, Mendoza is hispanic. I'm picturing the same guy that's been M's body guard for the past 2-3 tours. Is that Ed Mendoza? Just wondering.

The Youngest is not a patch on your best songs, Smith or solo. It's a billion times worse than First of the Gang. It has no humour, it says absolute nothing to anyone about their lives, oh, unless they know a youngest child who turned out to be a killer (i.e. 0.00003% of the population). It's a fairly tune; that's all you can say.
Sanctuary cannot force radio stations to play your songs and, frankly, thank God for that. Write some brilliant upbeat, witty, well observed songs that people can relate to and you'll get them played on the radio. Continue your ridiculous, embarassing obsession with killers and the criminal underworld and you won't. Simple as that.
In the meantime, be grateful that Radio 2, the UK's biggest station are playing your songs and you can still get in the top 10. Look at the Beautiful South, The Divine Comedy etc. Other indie acts from the 80's and 90's and they can't even reach the top 40.

Look at the first paragraph - Moz isn't using his own computer he's using "Ed mendoza's" (whoever he is). Now, to be honest I don't think Moz is a computer geek, so maybe he never realised that his email might have been stored on Ed Mendoza's cache. Maybe there was a keylogger on his computer? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keylogger ) It's not that difficult these days. The bottom line is ANY, yes, ANY data ever accessed on a computer can be retrived. It's no good just deleting files/folders/registery enteries... there will still be traces, and there are specialist companies out there who can find them.

I seriously doubt Morrissey would release it himself. He wouldn't want to incriminate himself, and he is notoriously protective of keeping his own privacy.

I feel really sorry for moz on this. it's a violation of trust.

Press profile makes no difference, even tours hardly make any difference especially to theatres. Look at Babycham; Pete Donovan constantly in the press, always touring. No-one’s buying their albums or singles. One off performances of songs on telly also make practically no difference whether it’s Ross, Holland or TOTP. You have to have brilliant songs, and they must get played on the radio. That’s the only thing that matters. His animal rights comments have been greeted with derision from most of the fans let alone the non-believers. If anything, they will have put people off buying the single. This is possibly the silliest thing he’s ever done (which is saying something).

Morrissey has ever been involved in.
It makes him seem big-headed, humourless, aggressive, bitter, clueless, and manipulative.

There is still a full copy of this letter on this site. You are either being very careless or trying deliberately to annoy and undermine the very person you are supposed to be supporting.

You chose to sign with Sanctuary again. It was your decision. You knew exactly what financial position they were in. You knew their reputation had taken a battering and no one in the industry took them seriously anymore. Yet you chose to sign with them instead of a major record company any number of which would have been pleased to sign you and give you a massive marketing budget.

A major wouldn't have even cared if they'd make a huge loss on your records, just for the prestige in getting you on their books. You would have been a classic loss leader for them, attracting younger artists who can sell millions of records because they don't have the baggage you carry.

I don't know what promises they made to you but you were a fool to listen to them. Take responsibility for your own actions.

Get it into your head. It doesn't matter how good your records are, if you are not on a major label with money behind you you will not be accepted as a mainstream pop artist. Also, if you refuse to play the media fame game you will not be accepted as a mainstream pop artist. Stop thinking you can have your cake and eat it. Rise above it.

You book a thirty day UK tour and think that the media will be impressed? If that was the reason you did it you'd have been better off doing one date at Earls Court. The London media are not interested in you playing to 600 in Greenock as much as you think they should be. And what that 30 date tour did is make your schedule so crammed that one weeks flu totally screwed up any chance you had of promoting the album properly on television or radio. Not one radio or tv interview this time out, only pointless print interviews where journalists are at liberty to put a tabloid slant on it so that it became all about your sex life rather than the record.

You are 47. You are lucky to get a record in the top 20. Have you not noticed that the charts are about youth and gimmicks these days? Young women buy most of the singles and they are not going to buy a record by a greying, paunchy old bloke unless it's a gimmick record. You're not sexy to young women anymore.

And stop using your fans as a means to get at your record company. We are not interested. We don't care that you didn't have a number one record. We live in the real world. Morrissey doesn't get number one records. All this does is make you look petty and out of touch and detracts from the fact that you have just released one of the best records of your career. It's a shame.

is he still friends with morrissey or not, how should I interprete this letter ? (english isn't my mother language ... so tell me)

Nice to see Morrissey admit that he uses 'animal rights' as a publicity tool.

Of course my single should make the top of the charts... I said something outrageous regarding testing on animals! c'mon everyone - I'm serious about selling records... uh... I mean saving animals!

EA

its p.c. gone mental.
invented by mentalists for mentalists.
this is the blair / bush nanny state.
u bastards voted for them so suffer, like i said u would.

i just cant see mozz why would bang on about singles reaching a few more placings than they did.
we know he's a bighead but its not very morrisseyeque.

if Mozz is all that bothered why didnt they release the single a further week after
the 15 shite football songs that entered the top 40. That would of made sense surely...........

3 lions up his ass,
Jed Weitzman's not singing.
he'll be for the chop.
Santuary will be ringing.

3 lions up his ass
Winklers son aint gleaming
he will have to go
Santuary still reeling.

And so on , u get the picture..........
bite me.

I've followed Moz since the late 80's and this is the nastiest, most arrogant thing I've ever seen him write or say. Youngest is a number 1? Absolute rubbish mate. It's a so-so album track from a pretty good album. A gift to the record company? What planet is the man living on for f***'s sake?

I think I might finally have weaned myself off my Moz addiction after all these years.
About time too...

email, you need to remove this item too so that most people will no longer be able to see what he said.
It's probably the most negative and incriminating thing that Morrissey's ever written. If you want to contribute to his downfall (and perhaps you do), keep this this item on the website...

Jeez, the guy is in a tough spot. No one here knows what it is like to be idolized beyond reason. It makes even a sane, rational person paranoid and defensive. Mozza has always been thin-skinned, hard-headed and difficult. If he were not, we wouldn't be here talking about him.

What he is trying to do is very, very difficult. Pop is a young person's game, and putting yourself out there gets more and more difficult as time goes on. I think he has done rather well, but a slide like this would hurt, and someone like Morrissey would lash out in anger at others before reflecting on his own shortcomings. This is a missive we should not have read.

As for the growing unease about his animal rights comments - are you really willing to believe that the man is that cynical? It is a weird miscalculation, but "the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about" can be taken a bit too far, even by those who should know better.

I guess this petty fiasco on TYWTML's fall from a questionable grace is more "important" than other more constructive comments waiting to get posted here. Morrissey has always had problems with record companies and yet he has always had a brilliant career. The legal or the managerial aspect of pop stardom is something every single artist has to deal with one time or another. But the legal aspect of this post seems to convey a profitable scandle, so off to scandleland we once more go, and the hell with the other "less interesting" posts for a while.

How many times are you going to repost the original letter?

"The law firm representing Morrissey has requested removal of comment #225255 on the grounds of copyright infringement and I have complied. This answers the recent debate over the authenticity of the letter." - David Tseng

You are wrong Tseng, it answers nothing.
Perhaps Morrissey's lawyer wanted the fake email removing because it's his job to intervene when Morrissey is being libelled, slandered or misrepresented.
Morrissey has had reason to threaten legal action against you and your site several times before, and the fact that you displayed a bogus email with the intention of embarrassing Morrissey, was reason enough I'd say for the action Morrissey's legal team were forced to take.
The truth is that since you were declared persona non grata in Morrissey-Land by Morrissey himself, your only incentive to carry on running this loathsome site is to post bullshit "stories" designed to embarrass or humiliate Morrissey, or to allow posts to be displayed here which have the same intention.
This site has been a Morrissey-Hate site for several years now, and you David Tseng have orchestrated events here with all the bitterness we've come to expect.
There is no reason for you to continue with this disgraceful website, which Morrissey detests and which causes him nothing but grief.
Remember how you used to feel about Morrissey, and how much you previously enjoyed his music, and do the decent thing Tseng, pull the plug, now.

I wouldnt be surprised.

It's not perfect but it sure beats true-to-you, the Fox News Channel of Morrissey sites.
Morrissey is my fav artist but not the only music I listen. It sad when you read posts on here that Morrissey is the only relevant singer, band whatver. those people need to go out more. theres tons of music out there. Anyway I always like to read the crap Morrissey gets into. no one is perfect. So if you have a problem with that go to the other site, cuz just like fox news, in their eyes, the Bush Adminastration can do no wrong.

Solo's use of the letter is not copyright infringement. The "fair use" exception applies, as solo did not use the letter for commercial purposes and, instead, used it for public comment and analysis.

Solo should take more of a hardline with this. The lawyer who sent the letter is a first year associate at the firm. You can check out his profile at www.calbar.ca.gov (go to Attorney Search and type in his last name, Gabriel). Give him a break, though. His supervising partner probably told him to draft the letter, all while poor Gregory isn't familiar with the law behind it. The letter is more bark than bite, and is designed to intimidate and scare Solo.

Morrissey - Never use e-mail. It WILL leak. I'm fully behind your email to Merck, but don't get silly lawyers involved when an e-mail slips.

http://www.kwikalaw.com/ourPeople/gGabriel.html [kwikalaw.com]

http://tinyurl.com/j296d [tinyurl.com]

I missed it. :(

he insists on making morrissey's life a misery.
david , what kind of fan are you?
no wonder the invites stopped coming your way, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Can't understand the vitriol aimed at Moz for the content of the missive. It's totally in line with what we know of his belief in himself and pop music, "misguided" as it may seem.

We accept all the flaws of family members and significant others we love, why can't you accept it from the man who wrote songs that saved you? I can...

he sounded like Fred Durst in that retarded letter

Record companies cannot force radio stations to play their songs. Stop blaming other people. It's up to the playlist meetings which take place every Monday morning at each station.
'Youngest' an unavoidable number 1? What?!!!
An ok-ish song at the very best.

You have a high media presence at the moment but that does not give you a god given right to enjoy chart success.

Go away and right some brilliant, inspired songs. And do yourself a favour and keep away from computers.

Your removal of the letter is spineless. Do not give into this sort of legal thuggery.

Not because of the supposed "copyright infringement" - so what?

Disastrous because it means that Morrissey genuinely thought 'Youngest' was a great song and that the band are "flying high".

Errr, no, Morrissey, no. Average song, uninspired band. When will he learn? He has become so predictable musically.

Still, Johnny Cash's "American V" is out next week - I guarantee it will blow the spots off 'Ringleader'. There will most likely be more soul and truth in the first note of JC's album than Moz has mustered in ten years. And no, I haven't heard it, but anyone who knows the Rubin collaborations will know what I mean. What happened to the genius who wrote the superlative Vauxhall, Arsenal and Bona songs, let alone the Smiths lyrics?

After ten + years of mediocrity I'm beginning to wonder if I can ever expect greatness from Moz again. Sorry.

Sounds juicey, can anybody summarize what was in the letter since we can no longer view said letter?

Ahahahahah!

" I've been a fan for 20 years and now that I've read this email, I suddenly realized he's not my Saint Moz anymore! I'm not a fan from this day and I condemn him for betraying my faith in him! Booo-hooo!"

How exactly did he let you down? By thinking about chart positions? (Surprise, surprise!)
How could he!This is SO LOW! He should've spend his days in the dark room, suffering and producing lyrics instead to feat into your Saint Moz concept?

Do you seriously think so? Now that's truly pathetic! I have nothing but empathy for you!

Do you think he owes you something? He doesn't own you (or me) anything!
You were not making him a favour by buying his albums for 20 years, you did it, because YOU needed it. And you should be grateful for that. I am.

  It's not for you or me to judge him. And you never knew him in the first place.

Morrissey is a human being, a real person. He can do and think whatever he wants. If I think The youngest was not the best choice for a single, that doesn't mean that Morrissey has to agree with me, and that doesn't mean that I'm right and he's wrong either. He is entitled to his own opinion.

He is what he is and always has been. Last thing the should do is to change himself, so that you can fully admire everything he does!

If you don't like him - don't look at him - don't listen to him and don't come here to tell us how much you hate him - nobody is interested.

Regarding the hating and trolling situation, it is hardly unique for a fan message board. This is especially true if the artist has been around for a long time, there are a lot of new people who are just on the hype, some "true" fans but also a lot of people, who lost the affection along the way, but still can't let go. It's like if you've been watching soap opera for 20 years you want to know what happens next.
It's really sad that some people have nothing positive in life to focus on.