posted by davidt on Monday April 15 2002, @01:42PM
Check out www.nme.com. The Smiths have been named the most influential group...pretty amazing stuff.
Update: 04/16 15:42 GMT:Story has also been picked up here:
NME names most influential artist ever - Apr. 15, 2002, NME
THE SMITHS have been named the artists to have had most influence on NME in the course of our 50 years as a title.
The top 50 artists to have had an influence will be revealed tomorrow (April 16) in a special issue celebrating 50 years of NME but as a taster we can now reveal the Top 10 – which also includes The Beatles, Oasis, Public Enemy and David Bowie.
The list takes into account: Appearances on front covers. Volume and significance of features. Dominance of end of year writers polls. The response from our readers in the weekly letters page. The presence of their name and influence in the paper (e.g. the number of acts referred to as the new them, the endless questioning of other artists for their opinions of them, the terrible pun headlines on their name or song titles...). And the speed with which they took over.
It was felt that The Smiths and then a solo Morrissey's all-encompassing spread through the 80s and early 90s allowed them to reign.
The top 10 is as follows:
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I totally agree. (Score:0)
We won people! (Score:0)
The Smiths topping a list (Score:1)
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taken with a grain of salt (Score:3, Interesting)
nme's done it before... so has melody maker. (and i'm not sure about 'q' or 'mojo', but if they have redrawn lines before on the same poll (or something like it), i wouldn't be surprised.)
time also brings change of staff... and considering how dynamic the entertainment press can be, a new staff could bring a new band or an entirely different 'top ten ever' list.
don't get me wrong... i love the smiths, i think they're one of the greatest bands ever, and i'm glad they got some recognition by the british press in recent history. but considering popular music press' track record, this news should probably be taken with a grain of salt, to say the least.
yeah, i may be belittling popular music press by saying this... but it's not like they care anyway.
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Shell shocked (Score:1)
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Those were the days... (Score:2, Interesting)
... when NME meant something, people read it and some of us cared.
... when NME didn't pander to it's disillusioned erstwhile readership in order to sell more copies and make more money.
I don't buy it.
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Excellent (Score:2, Interesting)
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ps:believe me, Oasis, Radiohead and the Stones Roses have no influence or relevance whatsoever outside the self-centered British Isles. The Rolling Stones, Jimi Hendryx, The Byrds, The Beach Boys or James Brown would have been the right choices.
Take another look at what nme says (Score:2, Interesting)
It is back to the "I can make you, and I can break you" matra that nme has touted for decades.
Long live the Smiths and Morrissey's beautiful music!
nme will soon go the way of melody maker.
Official: the NME is the most... (Score:2, Funny)
-- SaintSatchel &
The Mark E Smith Legal Defence Team
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Question for Brits about Public Enemy??? (Score:1)
Can you Brits answer me this question for it certainly bewilders me and i would guess a lot of other Americans also...
Who and how have Public Enemy influenced? I'm seriously not trying to make a joke. But I always end up laughing seeing their names up their in British polls. (I'm remembering Flavor Flav with his big ass retarded clock hanging around his neck) Plus can anyone name more than one song from them. I sure can't.
Was it their message, lifestyle, lyrics....what the hell was it about them that made them so grand?
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all bow to Mozz & Marr
[return to valium]
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Justice at last. (Score:0)
Although it should have been The Smiths/Morrissey because Moz alone made it onto the cover I think as often as The Smiths as a group.
Anyone know when Morrissey appeared for the last time on the front cover of NME?
I think it was in '94 after the release of 'Vauxhall' when he did a record-signing in Oxford Street. The cover read: "Mozmania."
Great News (Score:1)
Well, even if it is the NME.
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Great news! (Score:0)
To top that list must even make Mozzer proud!
The world did listen (Score:2, Interesting)
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ba ba black sheep... (Score:0)
Well Deserved! (Score:1)
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An overdue observation, me thinks! (Score:0)
I'm still quite surprised the NME has chosen the Smiths, given their reluctance to reference them without an intolerance of Morrissey and the Moz 'tribe'!
Suede, Badly Drawn Boy, Gene, Idlewild, Muse, etc, even Oasis.......... have all been influenced in one way or another from the Manchester miseries.
Maybe this will bring The Smiths, and Indeed Morrissey, to another audience (good or bad?, I'm not sure)as they have appeared to miss every revival/trend to have existed.
It's The Smiths, stupid! (Score:0)
obvious tactics (Score:1)
Having said that, I'll still go out and buy the NME tomorrow and then use it to slap my Morrissey mocking friends around the face with.
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hate to be the nay-sayer (Score:0)
The Smiths as most influential only makes sense as them being an influence on the publication NME. Were it to be in terms of the history of pop rock or even British pop rock...
It's just all too obvious that without The Beatles, David Bowie, and The Jam (all ranked lower than the Smiths) the Smiths would not have sounded as they did. I'm sure you'll all argue this, but the influence of the songwriting style of the Beatles and other 60s pop acts was a definite influence on Marr, and The Jam and Bowie were admitted influences on Morrissey.
In other words, keep lovin' the Smiths and Morrissey--but don't use this poll to validate your point of view the next time you are arguing their greatness to the uninitiated.
What a surprising feat! (Score:1)
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Can yahoo spell? (Score:0)
don't get too excited (Score:0)
no, however much praise they pour on the smiths, they will doubtlessly slag off his last 10 years and dismiss his entire solo output as 'crap rockabilly' even tho he only ever did three rockabilly songs. and they will inevitably also dredge up the ridiculous racism thing.
the best thing about this poll is that it will utterly piss off the legions of moz-hating nme journalists such as Steven Wells.
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what the world thinks (Score:1)
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Re:You say that, but... (Score:2, Interesting)
"Hello, Moz, we're sorry we took the piss about that Union Jack business at Finsbury Park. We've had our Dodgy Politics Spotting Dept working on "Asian Rut" and "National Front Disco" since 1994 and this week they gave them the all clear. So let's just shake hands and be men about it."
They also suggest that the main reason for The Smiths' success was the coverage that they received in NME, "NME proved that, given the best raw materials, we can inspire, provoke and genuinely exploit a cultural phenomenon."
Frankly, I'm amazed by their arrogance, I realize this is a self congratulatory issue, but I think that was taking it a bit far.
I'm sorry but does anyone actually read the NME? They seem to be under the mistaken impression they are in some way important. I've bought my first and last issue of it.
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Oh no.. (Score:1)
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Links Update - The Guardian (Score:1)
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The NME is Dead (Score:1)
It seems to me that they know that Morrissey an The Smiths make good copy, but the chances of Morrissey ever talking to them are slim to the Optimist.
The NME wrote Elvis off in the fifties!!
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There just might come a time when you need an NME (Score:1)
That can't be right.
Although I think Moz's lyrics are absolutely unsurpassed. No-one has ever EVER written better lyrics than Moz. I mean this. But musically the Beatles were, I hate to say it, but it's true, definetely more influential I mean music wouldn't be the same without them. I think everybody in their right mind and even some people not in their right minds know this.
I think a top ten spot would have been adequate, but number 1, I'm sorry: no.
But I AM glad they're finally getting at least some of their oh so long overdue recognition. I've mailed the list to all the non-believers I know. Let them read it and weap because I still say to them: who needs John, Paul, George and Ringo when you've got John, Moz, Mike and Andy.
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That Guardian website link (see above), for me, means a bit more. I bought the new NME issue today, but the article about them is the worst of the fifty, and the text is so small it hurt my eyes.
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Where's the King? (Score:0)
they got this mixed up (Score:0)
also what are radiohead doing there-all theyve ever done is steal pink floyd and big star melodies.theyre pure shite these days.
and why arent wet wet wet in this poll.
What does the poll mean? (Score:1)
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Hmmm, anyone notice this? (Score:0)
not surprised (Score:0)
Is more about Moz than the Smiths (Score:1)
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Because we must! (Score:1)
we made it guys! we and yhe talent of those four amazing manchesterians! thank you Moz for all the music and beyond!!!!
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one more thought (Score:1)
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