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davidt
on Friday January 26 2001, @11:00AM
Some interesting comments followed the story "'My Name Is Mortimer' (unreleased) - Mort Shuman song?" from a few days ago, regarding a song called "A Girl I Used To Know" or "Melanie". Apparently this mysterious song was actually played once on UK and Dutch radio stations, around the time "Sunny" was released (1995). Is it a hoax by a Morrissey imitator or could it actually be real? Check out the comments section of the above article for more (there's one that includes a link to download the song).
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"A Girl I Used To Know" or "Melanie" ...lost Morrissey song or hoax?
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Where are the promos ??? (Score:0)
And if it's a hoax it's very well done and with a great skill.
The question is : if they played it on radio some promos should exist (this is for Beau).
We need a better mp3 to start...
It was played on Steve Lamacq/Jo Wylie shows (Score:1, Interesting)
I don't buy Morrissey singles, and presumed this was a b-side or something. It's Moz for sure....
maybe, not. (Score:1)
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Quite Awful. (Score:1)
"inject yourself, inject yourself....etc." I don't believe for a minute that Moz would use such a blunt pen.
It just doesn't sound like him either. It sounds really, really awful. Not even a good tune.
But I have been wrong before, I'm told.
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Hehe a good try but (Score:0)
After a few listens tho, it got tougher. Whoever this guy is, hes quite good (besides the fact that hes not enlish :P :)...
What really convinced me this was a hoax was one of the last OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH's near the end, it seemed a little too over the top to be Morrissey :P Maybe bill nye the science guy, Moz no :P
Besides, Moz is money hungry. If he thought he could make a buck, he would have released this gem by now :P
It's not real. (Score:0)
what convinced me that it wasn't real was some of the voice inflections. Morrissey extends his vowels alittle more and a few of the words were totally off. Also, the ohhhhhh at the end are not Morrissey at all. Also, if you listen well, there are a few times the voice goes flat.
I would guess that his wasn't him!
small discovery (Score:1)
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Tone deaf ? (Score:1)
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Oh Melanie, I never asked to be human (Score:3, Funny)
1. A large portion of Morrissey fans believe in an imaginary being that floats somehwere beyond the clouds.
2. A large portion of Morrissey fans have right wing sympathies, despite listening devoutly to the sentiments of a gay, Socialist vegetarian.
3. A large portion--no, wait, a majority of Morrissey fans believe that some obviously intended parody of Morrissey's lyrical intentions is actually the man himself, "experimenting with a different vocal style."
4. And finally, a majority of Morrissey fans believe that such a parody, such music is actually worthwile.
If there is anyone on here that actually believes that this song was actually recorded by Morrissey, and on top of that sincerely believes that is a good listen, there is simply no need in fighting, and battling away for that small morsel of happinesss that you have searched so long to acquire.
It's over! Your life is done! Gone! There is no hope any longer for you. We have no room on this planet for you at this particular time, nor should you or anyone else attempt to salvage you in anyway. There are no social programs that could successfully aid you now.
But you know what is most troubling of all? You really want to know what gets in my craw?
WE ARE ALL STILL HERE!
Waiting patiently.
Listening to hoaxes, hoping that it is him, that it is his voice.
Damn.
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bornmad, (Score:2, Interesting)
"Are we all judged the same at the end? Tell me, tell me." Is Morrissey an atheist? I don't think so. Otherwise he couldn't produce such great art. Don't try to convince me that mere mortal forces are behind cd's like Your Arsenal.
About point number 2:
Morrissey is not gay -- I think that's pretty obvious. Also, I doubt he's a socialist. In fact, he seems to have great sympathy for the past, something socialists like to destroy. Morrissey is too pragmatic to be a socialist.
Right-wind sympathies? I don't know where you're getting this idea from, but... Don't you think Morrissey sympathizes with certain right-wing behaviors of, say, skin-heads? I don't think he's a political being, because he's smart enough to realize that politics is just our personalities, and not something that we can really set out to change programmatically. So I would disagree if you said, Morrissey has an anti-right-wing politics, because he doesn't have a politics at all. That's why we have lines like England for the English and Life is Hard Enough When you Belong Here. Obviously not political statements from Morrissey, even not ironically. Just human observation, which is real and interesting.
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Re:bornmad, (Score:2, Insightful)
Yes, I know that quote. But that was early Smiths when he said that he considered himself a Socialist. Well... he says a whole lot of things, now doesn't he? If Morrissey is a socialist, then why doesn't he belong to the socialist party in Britain?
Morrissey mentions skinheads because of their personalities and political situation etc. I didn't say he agrees or supports their political views.
Why don't you talk sense instead of making vague accusations? I don't even know what we disagree on, because you were too busy making noise in that response.
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Re:bornmad, (Score:3, Funny)
Believing in ghosts and believing in God are completely two different beliefs. Besides, I never said that it is imposible for Morrissey to believe in God.
I was making a reference to the lack of sense most Morrissey fans seem to exhibit, and the gullability factor present among most of them.
You would think that very ponderous music would attract people who were a bit existential about life, and who tend to lean away from the status quo of thought, obviously that is a myth.
*Yes, I know that quote. But that was early Smiths when he said that he considered himself a Socialist. Well... he says a whole lot of things, now doesn't he? If Morrissey is a socialist, then why doesn't he belong to the socialist party in Britain?*
Who says you have to belong to the Socialist party to believe in what they believe?
Is this some kind of law in England?
Morrissey believed in driving yet did not possess his license for many many years.
This is all borderline imbecillic
*Morrissey mentions skinheads because of their personalities and political situation etc. I didn't say he agrees or supports their political views.*
Then obviously stating that he has shown sympathy towards the philosophy right-wing voices is pointless, now isn't it?
According to your philosophy he wouldn't mention them unless he agreed with their political stance.
Are you still one of those who believes that the line "life is hard enough when you belong here" is a racist slur?
Morrissey mentions skinheads, as a bit of rough. The outsider kid who joins a group solely to find a home. He relates to their neglect, and as a symbol of a spontaneous youth he never possessed.
They were simply a way for him to add abit of toughness and controversy to his image.
Juvenile and naive? Yes. Racist? no.
Anything further is you daydreaming.
*Why don't you talk sense instead of making vague accusations?*
I am writing back and forth to a person who believes that Morrissey is not liberal, not gay, and is the voice behind "Melanie." (and on top of that has claimed to have not even heard the song.)
And you demand sense?
Do you belong to a cult of any sort?
*I don't even know what we disagree on, because you were too busy making noise in that response.*
We disagree on the direction your life has taken, and your apparent emotional atrophy.
I believe Morrissey is obviously homosexual. I believe he his blatantly liberal in his philosophy. I believe that God was not behind "Your Arsenal." I believe that Morrissey is political. ("I can't understand why anyone in this day and age would not have an interest in politics." - Morrissey)
This is what we disagree on. If you haven't figured that out then I cannot help you.
Finally, Morrissey was, and is, due to most recent performances political.
Being a vegetarian, being gay, having an interest in woman's rights, and speaking out for right-wing party oppossition in Great Britian is indeed exhibting political philosophy.
Does he often make ignorant statements regarding political philosophy? Yes, but he still makes political statements.
Now leave me alone.
P.S. And may I add that you go and listen to "Melanie" backwards in order to analyze its apparrent Satanic verse.
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Re:bornmad, (Score:2, Interesting)
"I know nothing about your beliefs? Then coming here to express yourself must serve no purpose whatsoever. You
have said more in this thread for me to come away with certain conclusions about your personality, and the way you
process information emotionally, than if you had been seen sleeping with Morrissey himself."
I did not come here to express my personal beliefs on politics and sexuality. I wrote about Morrissey -- not me. In fact, your conclusions about my own beliefs are completely wrong! I'm not:
(1) Christian
(2) anti-gay
(3) heterosexual (on Tuesdays and Thursdays)
(4) conservative
I myself am liberal! But we weren't talking about me, were we?? (Well, you were! -- but please stop because you're getting it all wrong)
Do you think Morrissey would want to see a strong, centralized state, with huge, powerful bureaucracies overseeing lots of daily activity?? I don't. So how could he be a socialist when he's so individualistic and anti-authority... It's not obvious. I know gay, English vegetarians who aren't socialists. Nor are they fascists or communists.
Morrissey is probably bi-curious. Sure he incorporates gay things in his art for lots of reasons. Bi-curious is not gay. He certainly likes women, at least.
I think you're more interested in attacking me than talking about _Morrissey_.
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Re:bornmad, (Score:3, Interesting)
*I did not come here to express my personal beliefs on politics and sexuality.*
But inevitably you do. This idea is addressed in an entry level psychology course at your local community college.
*I wrote about Morrissey -- not me. In fact, your conclusions about my own beliefs are completely wrong! I'm not:*
I purposely never assumed you were any of those things, and only asked if you were some of those things in the most sarcastic manner I could muster.
Your ego is wrong and should be disappointed in itself.
And again inevitably you do end up bringing your own personal beliefs into any debate.
*I myself am liberal! But we weren't talking about me, were we?? (Well, you were! -- but please stop because you're getting it all wrong)*
We are talking about your beliefs and how they associate with your conclusions.
"You" mentioned the fact that you were liberal, and I have no interest.
*Do you think Morrissey would want to see a strong, centralized state, with huge, powerful bureaucracies overseeing lots of daily activity?? I don't. So how could he be a socialist when he's so individualistic and anti-authority... It's not obvious. I know gay, English vegetarians who aren't socialists. Nor are they fascists or communists.*
This is truly ubelievable. Although not a Socialist myself, I can still say that your opinion of what a Socialist is is your own personal philosophy. In fact I think many would agree that the majority of people who back the Socialist party in Great Britian are the more liberally minded individualistic types who see government as a way to end the issues of poverty, insufficient healthcare and worker exploitation.
So in other words the right-wing party in Great Britian is the true home of the individualistic anti-authority type. Come on! Take an international politics course, this is all rather tedious.
And ponder this my friend, you readily agree that Morrissey claimed a Socialist affiliation during the Smiths era. So in effect he lacked complete individuality and anti-authority sentiments during that period? Do you see how ridiculous that statement was by you? You have to accept the fact that some people view the Socialist party much more differently than you do. I hope you are also aware that if you are indeed American and voted for any of the liberal candidates in the last election that many Conservative minded people would indeed label you as a Socialist, and maybe even a Communist if they are truly ignorant.
That's what a Socialist is, a person who believes in universal healthcare, worker wage increases, unions, tough civil liberties, affordable or governement provided funding for education, and etc. Only more vehemently and more rigidly.
Republican = Supporting Business
Democrat = Supporting the individual
You see, in America it's called being a Democrat. In England it's called being a Socialist. However recently in America the Democratic party might be considered more moderate than it is truly liberal, but the definition still serves the point.
These are the things that most liberals are for in the United States, and what most Socialists are for in Great Britian. There are different degrees that allow you to call yourself what you will, but in the end they hold a relative sentiment.
I also wonder if you even know what these terms mean because you seem very naive when speaking about them.
It is all semantics.
When all is said and done Philosophy is more about language than actual ideas.
And by the way saying that all gay, vegetarian Englishman were Socialist was meant as a joke.
*Morrissey is probably bi-curious. Sure he incorporates gay things in his art for lots of reasons. Bi-curious is not gay. He certainly likes women, at least.*
And how do you know this? What gleam of insight spread itself upon this fact?
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Re:bornmad, (Score:3, Informative)
I don't like organized religions in general, and Christianity in specific, because they can give someone the attitude "Don't try to convince me that mere mortal forces are behind cd's like Your Arsenal". When you take the credit for good things away from mankind, it leaves too much danger to take away their responsibility for the bad. People having no sense of responsibility to anyone but an invisible force is dangerous in the extreme. And if you think the good things aren't the responsibility of mankind but the bad things are, then that kind of self hate is equally disturbing.
As for Morrissey "obviously" not being gay, that's certainly unsupported. It's possible that someone who writes in gay characters or about gay issues as often as he does is not gay, but I think it precludes it being "obvious" that he's not gay. Have you ever heard of "bisexual"? And then there are these bits I found from interviews archived on IMAET...
What about sexual... relationships?
"I don't have relationships at all. It's out of the question."
Why?
"Partly because I was always attracted to men or women who were never attracted to me. And I was never attracted to women or men who were attracted to me. So that's the problem. I've never met the right person."
Nick Kent, The Face, March 1990
http://www.oz.net/~moz/quotes/deepend.htm
There Morrissey admits to an attraction to men and women, in response to a question about sexual relationships.
"I don't feel like a freak," he said, saying that he had slept with both men and women. "I never lived in a small town with petty morals. Not all our lives are as cut and dried as they should be."
Tony Parsons, Vox, April 1993
http://www.oz.net/~moz/quotes/voxapr93.htm
Now, a direct quote doesn't have Morrissey saying that he's slept with both men and women, but the interviewer alleges his direct admission.
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Melanie? Moz would not make such a mistake. (Score:0)
my ears don't work incredibly well (Score:1)
I have a hard time believing this is a Steve Lillywhite production.
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"Melanie" (Score:1)
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the oooos and ahhhs are right... (Score:1)
So, yes I think it is Morrissey and I am sure there are A LOT more songs that we do not know about. Look at "Satan Rejected My Soul." It was written in 1995 during the Southpaw Grammar Session & did not appear unitl the 1997 Maladjusted album.
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Another Discovery--it did make it to England (Score:1)
"I've just had a peep at the morrissey-solo website and read the messages.
This is a song which I heard and recorded on BBC Radio 1, it was introduced
as Morrissey at the time, so if it is a Hoax then the DJ must have been
fooled aswell.
I recorded it off of the Radio at the time but cannot find my tape , if I do
I will try and upload it.
My friend also heard it on the same radio station the week before.
Strange stuff eh?"
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You've been had. . . (Score:2, Informative)
“Melanie” - Buona parodia di una canzone di Morrissey trasmessa da Radio One.
Loosely translated:
"Melanie" - A good Morrissey parody from Radio One.
I can't believe anyone thought this was genuine. It seems there are a lot of Morrissey fans who need their ears syringed.
I'm sure someone's said this... (Score:1)
If everyone here is as devoted to Moz as they lead on to be, then everyone would have to know that this is definately not the man. You've got countless cd's, records, tapes-whatever-to where you can hear Moz's voice, and which I am sure that everyone has undoubtedy played god know's how many times. So what's the question? Is it really Moz or an imposter? Should it even be any doubt? Of course it isn't him, any fool could realise that. End of story.
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Radio One Parody (Score:0)
The station did quite a few of these @ the time with various other artists. I believe it's a parody of "Sunny", hence the "inject yourself" refrain. I suppose the parody is that Morrissey instead of trying to stop Sunny "injecting" is now imploring "Melanie" to do just that?
Contacting Steve Lilywhite? (Score:0)
Some other parodies... (Score:0)
Help me sort this out (Score:1)
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Not bad but... (Score:0)
Somewhat lame lyric too...even for the stripped down Southpaw era.
Will the real singer please step forward?
kl
xoxo
Mark and Lard? (Score:1)
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Guess what... (Score:0)
Are we really that desperate? (Score:1)
Listen closely. Any Morrissey fan can tell that's not our master's voice. And if it is him singing, then i'm sorry but it would be time to find something else to cling to.
~
Morrissey...come on...you won't rekindle the magic until you get over yourself and back with Johnny Marr. What do you think he's trying to tell you naming his band "The Healers"?
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ok ok ,Melanie is a hoax, but what about Mortimer? (Score:1)
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The accent !! (Score:0)
I Started Something...And Now I'm Not Too Sure (Score:1)
For what it's worth, this is definitely the same song I heard all those years ago. The repetition of 'inject yourself', the odd vocal (which reminded me, as someone else has commented, of Get Off The Stage) and the sudden ending all chime with my memory. So certainly, this isn't something some hoaxer has knocked up recently. But is it Morrissey? With the benefit of repeated listening, I think probably not. Unless there is something mad going on with his voice. The almost spoken bit at the end certainly doesn't sound like his speaking voice. Some people have commented that the accent is not English. I think it sounds possibly Dutch, which would correspond with it first appearing on Dutch radio.
It doesn't sound to me like a parody, more like a singer whose vocal style owes a massive debt to Morrissey. Perhaps the original artist intended the song in all sincerity, and the hoax was perpetrated by a DJ who was struck by the similarity.
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Morrissey - please rescue our souls! (Score:2, Interesting)
Please get back into the studio and quickly! Who knows what a mockery these desperate people will come up with next. Honestly - we don't care what label it's on - as long as it's released in CD, vinyl, cassette, 8-track, DVD or MP3 and has a nice cover on it with your picture.
Even if you sold your soul to Sony Music or Universal, we'd still buy your music.
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Inject This! (Score:3, Interesting)
This is sad. This is TWICE in one week that I've written to someone and asked them if something was true or not. The first, being the lame-o who was saying Moz was in Bath recording an album. To severely paraphrase Boz, "what bollocks".
Actually, the body count should be up to three with that stupid NME article. Not to be a snob, but I knew it was a fake from the headline and this should be a weekly that should have slightly more integrity than the National Enquirer than to put such shoddy work on their pages, staple it together with a couple of pretty photographs, and sell it every week to a bunch of people who are relying on them to present them an informed read on what the current state of music is.
Sadly, not even the NME knows what's going on.
But I'm not "in the know" or go dining with any of these people, or even personally know them, and I'm sure the likes of Boz and S.L. would like for Moz to get up off his butt and refute rumors himself. But I still feel bad for asking these guys who are probably annoyed already with the amount of crap they get in their in-box asking when Moz is touring or what size underwear he wears or some garbage like that. But I don't know what else to do when it comes to a bunch of people that are erroneously getting their hopes up over a new album, or that we've uncovered a new song. And what's worse is that I don't know why I'm on the warpath against this crap in the way that I am. Who is benefiting? Am I? Are you? Does it really matter in the end whether the song was real or not?
What does this say? That people like to push Moz fans around as being a gullible bunch? Probably. Just because it possibly sounds true, it doesn't mean that it is. Maybe people should start looking at things with a critical eye, but I agree with what someone said that the drought is starting to make people dilerious and see mirages in the desert.
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Melanie won't get you signed anywhere. (Score:1)
There should be no doubt. This is not Morrissey. The voice is wrong. He doesn't dive as low as Moz can do, and the only high notes are reached by climbing, they are not held. The scale used is too limited ever to be Morrissey.
These are not The Lads either. The music is really boring. There is hardly any variation. The intro chords are too obviously present throughout. If this is a "new single", as announced, is terribly badly done. Never would S. Lillywhite come up with such low quality of production.
The spoken intro added could very well be a cut and paste operation. The DJ does not mention the name of the "new single", so it could come from any single Morrissey released and that got some airplay in the Lowlands. You can imagine the same clipping to be used for introducing "Pregnant".
I also fail to see the Sunny connection. Except from the "inject yourself" part, there is no link. The lyrics are dull, too. There's not a single interesting line.
There should be no doubt.
If this is Morrissey, it is a hoax.
If it is a hoax, it's a parody.
If it's a parody, it's a bad parody.
Definitely, someone took the Coachella "We is Morrissey" too literally.
And to the "original" artist who perpetrated this ... you should indeed realize that with this as demo, you won't find a label.
Cheers,
AK
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Anything would be something............. (Score:1)
What troubles me more is that we are such in need of a fix that anything sounding remotely like Mr. M is adopted as such.......
I'm very sad about all of this. I've actually been writing songs for the past 3-4 years because I needed the fix. Probably nothing like what Moz & the Boyz would write, but I'm hard pressed to find something else.......
Tell Me: What's everyone else listening to these days?
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Never meant to be a single (Score:0)
The worst thing was he did this two days in a row and if I remember correctly never did play Sunny!!
I can't understand though why if it was a 'joke' or 'mistake' by Radio One it wasn't in the tabloids for one and secondly why Morrissey never said anything at the time as he must have known about it??
My name is Melanie, and I do love Moz (Score:1)
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Melanie cometh forth (Score:1)
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No Way Mozze~ (Score:1)
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Doesn't Jive (Score:1)
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Has anyone seen this? (Score:2, Interesting)
http://www.oz.net/~moz/lyrics/othermor/agirlius.htm
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gals (Score:0)
why would Morrissey ever bother to write about a GIRL ? Since when are girls an interesting song subject ? He's got so many handsome thugs to write about , why should he bother ?
What are women to Morrissey ?
Not much.
He may "like" them ,as one "likes" peanut butter , but they 're not real to him , I think . They're...details...I don't think they could be anything more to him than friends or ...mothers. If he writes about them he doesn't feel connected to them; he sings about women like an anthropologist would ...
To my knowledge ,Morrissey has never shared a house with any girl , or written a passionate love song about one .
Oh , by the way , that song is really awful ,and I think the singer is Swedish.
Who knows... (Score:1)
mmmm.....it could be a cover played alive or something...
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Oh Melanie (Score:0)