Bono on Morrissey

[Bluebirds]

whats the difference between Bono and God?

God doesn't walk down the street in Dublin thinking he's Bono.

[Mars_Rover]

Ha! That's cute, Bluebird.

Re: the damning photos of Bono and slightly sleazy-looking friend with the young girls -- even though I was the one who posted them here, I do believe they could be semi-innocent, in the sense that Wormy is talking about. [May I call you Wormy, BTW?] I've heard that Bono is a very friendly, outgoing, and flirtatious guy who genuinely loves people, as rare as that is. He could have been just posing with the girls in an overly theatrical fashion, as is his wont. If you've ever seen him carry on with the women he pulls out of the audience at a U2 show, you'll know what that's about.

Then again, he could be a sleaze, we just don't know.

[suparni]

Ha! That's cute, Bluebird.

Re: the damning photos of Bono and slightly sleazy-looking friend with the young girls -- even though I was the one who posted them here, I do believe they could be semi-innocent, in the sense that Wormy is talking about. [May I call you Wormy, BTW?] I've heard that Bono is a very friendly, outgoing, and flirtatious guy who genuinely loves people, as rare as that is. He could have been just posing with the girls in an overly theatrical fashion, as is his wont. If you've ever seen him carry on with the women he pulls out of the audience at a U2 show, you'll know what that's about.

Then again, he could be a sleaze, we just don't know.

tee hee Bluebird...

Yes, I totally agree that it's just as likely that bono is playing theater and having an innocent fun ride out in St. Tropez with some friends and fans. It's true. But even if he IS out being a little more mischievous its not all THAT terrible...
His friend on the other hand is kind of icky if you ask me... like even if he is not being sleaze with that girl... he would if he could... I dunno... bono is sweet with the holding the heart and looking to the sky - at least it implies love, poetry, feeling, sweetly and lightly... the other guy just implies creepy old man... to me at least. like one of those concert grinders... Ick.

[jilla]

Thank ye very much, Stipey - I'm glad to hear he hasn't gone "garden variety" gay on us :

What exactly would you say was a garden variety gay? you don't call the average person describing themselves as hetero a garden variety breeder do you?

not to pick some fight here but, what an ignorant statement. Stipe never said there was anything wrong with people who identify as gay or straight....they might exist as well...god knows there are certainly a lot of people who identify that way.

talk about labeling, i've never heard such an ignorant statement "garden variety gay."

maybe i'm just in a mood today, cause truth is queer people catch that shit all the time, sometimes from people who claim to "get" it....its just annoying how queer people are talked about as if they aren't in the room.

i don't know maybe you're queer and not accepting of people who choose to identify...my guess is thats not the case though.

[suparni]

What exactly would you say was a garden variety gay? you don't call the average person describing themselves as hetero a garden variety breeder do you?

not to pick some fight here but, what an ignorant statement. Stipe never said there was anything wrong with people who identify as gay or straight....they might exist as well...god knows there are certainly a lot of people who identify that way.

talk about labeling, i've never heard such an ignorant statement "garden variety gay."

maybe i'm just in a mood today, cause truth is queer people catch that shit all the time, sometimes from people who claim to "get" it....its just annoying how queer people are talked about as if they aren't in the room.

i don't know maybe you're queer and not accepting of people who choose to identify...my guess is thats not the case though.

Gee, I consider myself heterosexual and I see all kinds of garden variety hetero people -
I am a photographer by profession and I do a lot of weddings (also commitment ceremonies from time to time...) and then there is another aspect... the typical scene where all your friends get married by the same age... what did they all just HAPPEN to fall in love at the same age? With people from the same general class and background for the most part... that person they fell for happened to be single? That person happened to also fall in love with them too??? I dunno... I think I sort of sense where you are coming from but it does kinda sound like you might be in a little bit of a mood today... just a touch???? perhaps????? I think most people seek a mate according to conditioning and predictable needs or desires... rather than letting energy flow and the heart lead despite the mind. I think most people have garden variety relationships and love lives in general... they are garden variety people... and garden variety energies... therefor garden variety sexual entities... gay or not gay.

[jilla]

no i think there are garden variety heterosexxuals...for sure, but people don't talk about them as often as it is easy to talk about "gay" people as a group.

you don't hear people talking about heterosexuals as being extremely stereotypical. I do wedding video's too! ironic really.

it didn't sound as far away from the statement "Gay people are cool so long as they don't act gay" or you know, you've heard it before.

I wouldn't assume because you identified as heterosexual that i could then make the statement about you "hmm...what a garden variety heterosexual"

just because someone chooses to identify as gay, well what does that mean, and is it so bad if they act how ever the fuck they want to.

even acting like a stereotypical gay person is different then talking about a stereotypical heterosexual. A heterosexual is less likely to be judged for acting "heterosexual" if they even see there actions that way then a gay person for coming off "gay."

I'm at that age where all my straight friends are getting married.

[suparni]

no i think there are garden variety heterosexxuals...for sure, but people don't talk about them as often as it is easy to talk about "gay" people as a group.

you don't hear people talking about heterosexuals as being extremely stereotypical. I do wedding video's too! ironic really.

it didn't sound as far away from the statement "Gay people are cool so long as they don't act gay" or you know, you've heard it before.

I wouldn't assume because you identified as heterosexual that i could then make the statement about you "hmm...what a garden variety heterosexual"

just because someone chooses to identify as gay, well what does that mean, and is it so bad if they act how ever the fuck they want to.

even acting like a stereotypical gay person is different then talking about a stereotypical heterosexual. A heterosexual is less likely to be judged for acting "heterosexual" if they even see there actions that way then a gay person for coming off "gay."

I'm at that age where all my straight friends are getting married.

I think that people are just shocked by any new or unfamiliar subculture or culture and its hard to feel connected or included when whole groups of people use or have similar lingo, brands, icons, music or whatever... if you want to mix and learn and share with that subculture group... you open to them... if not, you keep it at a distance and generalize - not bothering with the individuals... Some couples don't want single friends... yes its true!!! Friends drop you cause they get married and only hang with other couples because they are retarded and jealous types.... I dont take it personally... they just cant handle it.


Some people generalize or hate on what is considered to be a gay lingo or subculture... some people also assume that a gay man will definitely know how to decorate their house - generalizations happen everywhere... both good and bad.

I am not having to deal with gay judgements but I am judged for not wanting a baby or for not marrying - in my society and culture that is very strange... WHAT TO DO? I get over it.

I definitely judge macho meatheads and guidos oiling themselves up on the beach drinking and trying to get laid like giant walking hormones... and I know plenty of people who do.

Some gay people are fucking annoying... some aren't... Some girls are bigger than others... in the end - any intelligent, interesting person is going to shine through whatever shirt they are wearing that year... and people will meet as individuals and learn from their differences and similarities. Garden variety meatheads, garden variety gays, garden variety married people, garden variety spoiled brats... garden variety is just another word for dull and insensitive... and I am afraid that most of human race, gays and heteros alike... fall into that catagory.

Have a great season - soon we will be workin weddings every weekend - at least here in ny... may is the time!

[suparni]

Oh and I admit that i sometimes judge bono because he is so short... like "he is just a garden variety short man... always trying to get attention and prove something..."

I am guilty of this.

[Worm]

And worm, that girl probably IS a bitch... but I hate when people always blame the girl...

Me too.

However, like I said it's not so much blaming the girl for the adultery-- that would be lame. It's more about using the media to get noticed. I don't think that's "bitchy" of the girl, just annoyingly opportunist. I think she knew what she was doing by posting that on Facebook.

Whether he's innocent or not Bono was an idiot to let his photo be taken. For that he deserves blame. And maybe more, but who knows. All I know is that Bono is the greatest rock singer ever and without him the world would have been destroyed a long time ago.

Okay, maybe I'm exaggerating slightly.

[May I call you Wormy, BTW?]

Sure, why not? You'd hardly be profaning a nickname that's stupid to begin with.

[jilla]

see and thats a little bit more accessable as funny because no one's out there trying to convert short people or kill short people or make them feel sub human cause they are short. same with "garden variety heterosexuals" that satement can be seen as funny becuase there isn't a growing fight to define heterosexuals so you can kill them off.

where as in the case with other minorities, like african americans, gays etc etc its a little bit less funny when put into the context of...oh yeah last month some kid got beat up across from where i live for coming off as "gay"

and i see what you mean sometimes we forget these things go on, because we don't want to kill gay people, we don't "hate" gay people or we aren't even "threatened" by gay people but there is definetly a "fight" going on as to whether gay's deserve the same rights, or even so much as to live and work freeyly. which is scary.

not to be all serious this friday. : )

[Mars_Rover]

Poor Bono - he can't help being short-ish! Short men get almost as much stick as overweight women.

To the young lady from Loo-Zee-Ann: my sincere apologies if you were hurt/pissed off/offended/slightly annoyed by my garden variety gay designation. I didn't mean anything by it, it was meant as a light-hearted comment. I'd like to think that anyone with a real grudge against gay people wouldn't even come into a Morrissey forum - their heads would explode!

[jilla]

appology accepted. i get where your coming from.

the internet is a weird place, you know you can talk freely but you don't nessisarily know to who.....

its not like a dinner table of friends, even though you'd like to believe it is...i mean maybe in someways because we're all morrissey fans, but we live in different places and times and its hard to know someone to get the context of what they are saying.

we're totally chill.

i mostly just hang out in the frink thread...which is also ironic, but the Ineffable is always the best stuff.

i like what johnny is wearing in your sig, cool patter as well.

[suparni]

see and thats a little bit more accessable as funny because no one's out there trying to convert short people or kill short people or make them feel sub human cause they are short. same with "garden variety heterosexuals" that satement can be seen as funny becuase there isn't a growing fight to define heterosexuals so you can kill them off.

where as in the case with other minorities, like african americans, gays etc etc its a little bit less funny when put into the context of...oh yeah last month some kid got beat up across from where i live for coming off as "gay"

and i see what you mean sometimes we forget these things go on, because we don't want to kill gay people, we don't "hate" gay people or we aren't even "threatened" by gay people but there is definetly a "fight" going on as to whether gay's deserve the same rights, or even so much as to live and work freeyly. which is scary.

not to be all serious this friday. : )

Well you can speak for yourself girl... I am all for a full fledged movement to kill off meathead guidos...
Go ahead... attack me. I refuse to take it back.

[suparni]

oh lord i suppose I sound very ignorant bashing short people and meatheads... at least compared to you guys. I am outta here!

[Mars_Rover]

Stop it, suparni, or I shall cyber-kick you. Stay and speak freely of meatheads and short people and... who else is it you hate?

Jilla, I'm glad you're no longer bothered and that you like my sig photo of Johnny - howevah! That photo's days are numbered, since someone PM'd me and said the photo reminds them of Cliff Richard. [shudder]

[suparni]

Stop it, suparni, or I shall cyber-kick you. Stay and speak freely of meatheads and short people and... who else is it you hate?

bash whoever I want? thanks mars!
I will stay! I don't need anymore kicks after the security guard beat me last night for swaying during in FOTGTD!

[suparni]

Interesting that you say that, because I remember that when I started university I wondered when and how the big people distribution had happened, because it had totally passed me bye. It seemed like a total miracle to me. Even last year I had this conversation with a friend in which I told her that I don't quite understand how people always find a new partner within just at best three weeks after they broke up with their old partner. She said that they are all just normal people who are pleased with the ordinary, while we are a bit more complicated than that so that the normal isn't enough for us and that makes it more difficult.

As for the young woman on the picture with Bono, I think she know just as much as Bono what she is doing.

Hmm I think it might be possible she knows... at this stage.... might be... I think a lot of young women are very good at looking like they know what they are doing...

I dunno... I guess I tend to give the young woman the benefit of the doubt in terms of innocence at that age. Young women are so often viewed as sex objects and thereby deamonized... I mean just look at the ads...

Easy to forget that this is a kid... when you are 19, you are a kid... boobs or no boobs... objectified and drooled over by old pervs like bonos friend or not. If she was in a smiths shirt and jeans with a few pimples and flat chested you might not objectify her and understand that maybe she is just a 19 year old who likes a charismatic man.

I hate to be all acting like i have reason to defend her... I just hate what is done to women in these situations where basically its the VERY SAME BULLSHIT RELIGIONS PULL being like "she knows what she is doing" and "she is using this for her career..." What the hell kind of experience does a 19 year old actually have that allows them to know exactly what they are doing?

You can go jump off a cliff with the preists who say that women also tempted adam to eat some apple of sin and that women are evil and there to temp man away from heaven and all this other shit... That is where this "she knows what she is doing" comes from - bullshit fake christianity spewed out by preists and politicians who are the mafia of the soul! All this blaming the shit on the girl comes from crappy old crusty disgusting and crippling religions that fuck us all over... and thats why women are objectified and desired and also deamonized (both sides of the same coin.)

Fuckin kid is 19 and bono is like the most famous person in pop... Girl has no idea that if she falls in love with him and does one wrong move (like posting something on facebook when she is drunk) he can have her cut out and watching him from the last row of Giants Stadium before she even knows what hit her.
haha that realization alone just sucks and makes you want to be careful with how close you get to the man...

So whatever... everyone is just projecting their own bullshit onto the pop star AS USUAL! Just makes me want to puke when its all got these woman hating religious roots to it. Fuckin kid is 19...

[jilla]

nicely put Suparni...

i agree.

as long as i'm talking about avitars, you have one that always from a distance looks like a waist band, like a body...then you look closer and its morrissey laying on tracks...seriously gets me everytime.

[suparni]

The woman is 19. When do you want her to be grown up? At 21? If she were 15 I'd agree, but not at 19. But even with 15 you know what it means to get this bodily close to a man, unless you live in some haze. I love this, pretend she is innocent, the poor woman, "sex objectified", but she is one of those who try to get all possible benefits by playing this card. If she was really that innocent and didn't want to take advantage she would not have posted the pictures that publicly on the Internet. But hey, yes, she's innocent, let her get away with anything with that lame excuse. So when is she going to start to take responsibilities for he actions?

As for Bono's wife of course being all fine with an "open relationship".... really? They met when they were teenagers, got married, she stuck with him through the tough times, he became a superstar and off he goes on affairs and enjoys having an "open relationship"? I hope Bono's wife has or will find herself a more dependable partner soon, should that be true.

eh... whatever. You don't know, I don't know... I sure as hell am not going to waste my morning acting like I know this girl. I just think when you are 19 you don't really know what that situation and power dynamic really entails. As for Bono and his marriage... I don't even believe in marriage - contracts on love or whatever... so what difference does it make? There is nothing to be "innocent" or "guilty" about when you don't believe in contracts on love or the institution people build around it.

[pewtavert]

Bring back The Catherine Wheel and Ned's Atomic Dustbin!!!