"His hands are tied" ....and other such avoidances

[yesitis]

well, honey, its not quite alright to come into a new place and demand that it be run a specific way. Hitler did that once, you know...

GODWIN!!!! yaaay!!!

[Corrissey]

that cheers was related to this message.

I have politeness to spare.

[Scarlet1987]

I really do not blame Morrissey for things like releases and tickets. I do think that such things are out of his beautiful hands!!!

[iggy d]

Believe it or not? I got tickets for both nights in Manchester. I don't think that's the point though. I was very bloody lucky. I have friends who are as loyal as I, and they didn't get anything - these are the kind of people who can tell you when he last farted - a tad too far for my loyalty.

The last few tours have been a nightmare - with even pre sale info being distributed so late that it is ineffective. I would also have liked to have heard a public apology from him on the Roundhouse debacle. Ok he was ill - no argument from me - but c'mon, I spent thousand on that trip and got little of it back, a wee apology surely isn't too much to ask. Instead the pathetic attempt by Brand/Walliams/Ross trio to apologise on his behalf made the whole thing ten times worse.

REAL fans keep missing out and I don't see Morrissey doing anything about it. He can halt the release of Hang the DJ but can't organise a tour for his fans?

@dead end kid-as you got tickets for both nights and friends of yours who are "loyal as you" didn't get any,then be a friend and give them some of yours.i know my friends wouldn't see me sit at home when they had surplus.
i agree with you about ticket distribution on the whole.the internet has killed the the atmosphere in concerts in the last few years.not so long ago when you had to physically go to a shop and get tickets,sometimes that meant staying outside a shop door all night in the freezing rain,thats when you got real fans and real atmosphere at gigs.these days people/touts just sit at home and just snap up tickets with credit card after credit card,leaving dedicated fans with a bad taste in their mouth.

[lainey]

wait, what? Morrissey's on a diet? Noooooo, herculean chest and belly i need you! Eat cake!!!!!!!

ha,ha !......

[jilla]

o.k i have a theory

1. firstly i live in the U.S so maybe things are different, and i haven't had the forture of trying to buy morrissey tickets, i was in college in santa Fe.....So i don't know how this whole thing works but i do seem to realize taht their is short notice on his gigs? and I hate to be an a-hole and propose that its being done on purpose but here's why it might be.

You know how morrissey talks about how its so easy to consume things esp music compared to how it use to be (thus all the singles) he enjoys searching things out, that makes them special because their is a will to have them and to discover and to quest and to love them you know....

could it be similar with the tickets? i think it very well could be similar. I mean what makes me love morrissey's music is that its not just everywhere, its like a little secret un touched by whatever ( i know i'm so eleqoant right now...p.s i'm dyslexic and spelling is a problem as well, i am sorry about that)

I like morrissey because i have to decide that "yes! I want to go get morrissey tickets, i'm going to go through some effort to get them, and god knows he wont be coming to Louisiana where i currently live....anticipation is a really wonderful thing. Which i could also relate to his eroticism vs sexualness....

just giving a philisophical twist to the whole thing. Does it make him look egotistical because he doesn't advertise conventionally? also as far as adds and stuff goes...don't you think its kind of cool that you aren't constantly bombarded with advertisments, doesn't it make it feel a little bit more like your own and less cheap, less "gee i don't know what i'm going to do tonight..." morrissey doesn't need to sell tickets to those people he's already got enough loonies who love his music.

just some thoughts, and like i said what do i know. I like the chase though!

[PUNKturedBIKE]

You never know, with TTY being updated maybe Moz will say ello to us again. If he doesn't, let's all go out and buy Live at The Hollywood Bowl dvd!

[dicartwright]

I am new. It's sad when politeness is in short supply.

I have to say that, when I start a thread, I prefer short replies even like "tl,dr" to nothing.

[Unwitting Observer]

o.k i have a theory

1. firstly i live in the U.S so maybe things are different, and i haven't had the forture of trying to buy morrissey tickets, i was in college in santa Fe.....So i don't know how this whole thing works but i do seem to realize taht their is short notice on his gigs? and I hate to be an a-hole and propose that its being done on purpose but here's why it might be.

You know how morrissey talks about how its so easy to consume things esp music compared to how it use to be (thus all the singles) he enjoys searching things out, that makes them special because their is a will to have them and to discover and to quest and to love them you know....

could it be similar with the tickets? i think it very well could be similar. I mean what makes me love morrissey's music is that its not just everywhere, its like a little secret un touched by whatever ( i know i'm so eleqoant right now...p.s i'm dyslexic and spelling is a problem as well, i am sorry about that)

I like morrissey because i have to decide that "yes! I want to go get morrissey tickets, i'm going to go through some effort to get them, and god knows he wont be coming to Louisiana where i currently live....anticipation is a really wonderful thing. Which i could also relate to his eroticism vs sexualness....

just giving a philisophical twist to the whole thing. Does it make him look egotistical because he doesn't advertise conventionally? also as far as adds and stuff goes...don't you think its kind of cool that you aren't constantly bombarded with advertisments, doesn't it make it feel a little bit more like your own and less cheap, less "gee i don't know what i'm going to do tonight..." morrissey doesn't need to sell tickets to those people he's already got enough loonies who love his music.

just some thoughts, and like i said what do i know. I like the chase though!

Damn, that was surprisingly insightful.

[ray_afraid]

You never know, with TTY being updated maybe Moz will say ello to us again. If he doesn't, let's all go out and buy Live at The Hollywood Bowl dvd!

heh. I'll be doing that either way. If Moz won't release the goods, I'll buy them from those who will.

[mademoiselle x]

I've been a fan for over 20+ years (since the days of the smiths) and it wasn't until last year when he had a residency at the hollywood palladium that I got to see him live for the first time. There were many times that I tried to get tickets but they'd sell out in a few minutes, other times I was traveling when he was performing here in l.a. and other times, particularly when I was a struggling student, I simply couldn't afford tickets. Did I blame him for it, no, it's luck and/or circumstances. Compared to other singers I think he does a pretty good job of communicating with us and touring a significant amount to give people a chance to see him either in their hometowns or elsewhere.

[Corrissey]

I listened to one cover that everyone was raving about and thought it was awful. I am not interested in hearing other people sing Morrissey's songs, but I do listen to other music. Radiohead doing Headmaster Ritual was pretty good, but I only listened twice.


Why is that disappointing?

Usually on cover versions, the people either try to copy the original which is usually pointless, or they reinterpret it which is more interesting but can result in them being pretentious or precious about it. Radiohead tried to copy, and that worked in their case because hearing someone else capture a lot of the little details made you hear the song all over again.

I have never really enjoyed hearing others cover my favorite bands or artists because it falls short and seems pointless. I think it has its place live, but not to watch a recording.

If a band is special though, they can make covers work. If I really like a band or artist I will enjoy hearing them do other people's material, but I don't usually like hearing songs I love played by lesser artists.

Morrissey is special. The music, the lyrics, the attitude, the voice, the performance, every aspect of what he does all comes together in a magical way. Anything else, no mater how good they are, is probably not going to work for me.

Also. MOST of the current music that Morrissey fans are expected to like just seems to me like echoes of greater things that have happened before. The Killers, etc... whoever it is this year, anything that is "If you like Morrissey, you might like. ________" for me is more like, "If you like Morrissey you will despise _________".

But you did try and you came up with a long list. It's nice to see Morrissey's influence demonstrated that way. But I just don't care to hear the songs.

tl, dr.

ooh my 1st time saying that.

[Dave]

tl, dr.

ooh my 1st time saying that.

ts;dr

[EPbabe]

@Dead End Kid: I found your opinion very interesting and agree with most parts. Keep on posting!

@Dave: I agree with you too, not really interested in cover versions of Morrissey songs.

[the beast]

the fans have been bled for a while now, so morrissey's got to accept some blame. rca, sanctuary and decca have all released cd 1# and cd2# etc as well as vinyls in order to make fans buy all if they want all the songs, when the 4 or 5 songs could easily be put on 1 cd. thats only my opinion though.

[Dead End Kid]

@dead end kid-as you got tickets for both nights and friends of yours who are "loyal as you" didn't get any,then be a friend and give them some of yours.i know my friends wouldn't see me sit at home when they had surplus.
i agree with you about ticket distribution on the whole.the internet has killed the the atmosphere in concerts in the last few years.not so long ago when you had to physically go to a shop and get tickets,sometimes that meant staying outside a shop door all night in the freezing rain,thats when you got real fans and real atmosphere at gigs.these days people/touts just sit at home and just snap up tickets with credit card after credit card,leaving dedicated fans with a bad taste in their mouth.

I did give the tickets to my friends.

[dunya]

Here's an idea:

Do a poll to see how many people actually paid cover price for their ticket for the show(s) they are going/have seen on this tour.

The dedicated ones could ask people leaving the venue after the show if they minded telling. By then the touts should be gone and less risk of hassle. Wonder if the venues would co-operate?

Don't ask me, though, I havn't got a ticket, yet....
has this been tried before?
Would it do any good?
Could enough accurate info be gathered to make it worthwhile?

[kissmyshadestoo]

How about this......Morrissey starts an "official" fan club. Dues are $20-30 per year. You sign up and get access to goodies such as tour tickets. Fan club members get tickets based on seniority. Those with higher seniority get best tickets. These tickets go on sale thru the fan club website BEFORE they go on sale to general public.

This is what Pearl Jam has been doing for years and it actually works pretty well. Before you harp on the "yeah I want front row seats and I'll never get 'em because I joined late", PJ did a lottery for a few rows this year. To switch it up, they randomly picked fans to sit in rows 1-2, 8 and 10 for all their shows this summer.

[sistasheila]

I have to say that while a huge Smiths and Morrissey fan, my musical world is and always has been much broader. I have thousands of vinyl and cd albums and have attended most probably over a thousand gigs (although I have never actually counted them). While your description may apply to other I can assure you, it does not describe myself.
Other bands do not purport, in quite the same way as Morrissey, to have THAT connection with fans. I don't think he's connected enough with fans to do anything that would deliberately annoy them. Who else though can you think of that consistently releases tickets like dripping chinese water torture. I can't think of any other band that uses this practice.

yeah same with me have gone to concerts fsince i was 16 of the most diverse bands/music styles
and only one concert i didnt get cause it was sold out..that was sonic youth in berlin 2006..I wanted so badly to go since the next day (sunday) was my first morrissey gig and this would have been the perfect combination: saturday:sonic youth sunday : morrissey..
I wasnt registered at ebay back then nor did I had a credit card
and only for moz did travel to the UK in 2008
as most of the bands I like do tour my country ..only Moz doesdrop by every 6,8 years or so
so i just didnt go to the sonics 9 ago i would have thought of byuing from the touts..but i also didnt have money left anyway
.
maybe most of the bands i like arent that popular?or the reason that its different to get tickets here in germany..cause i do remember the moz ticket for germany 06 were avaiable longer as when they got sold in the US/UK...
but germany is like..what the biggest music market and people here do love concerts and are just as dedicated to go to concerts as everywhere else..arent the touts here not as present at least online maybe..hmm?
.and I must say I have never seen this rush for tickets(sold out in 10 minutes )as with moz...
yes I wonder too why he dont just announce a whole tour and he only announce them piece by piece..have any journo asked him about that?
and the one day before the sale goes on start notice is int really i his typical style, isnt it?..2 months previous is normal in his case right??

[Barking]

Who else though can you think of that consistently releases tickets like dripping chinese water torture. I can't think of any other band that uses this practice.

LMTO

I must say it all seems very badly organized, from the outside...

Someone ought to listen to B.Obama! (see other post somewhere else)