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    I think it's a character song. Probably inspired by Oscar Wilde. Though Morrissey probably wrote it because he identifies with the character.

    Though it could be having a pointed dig at Marr because by then Marr had convinced everyone that the break up was totally Morrissey's fault.
    Last edited by Jones; September 5, 2008 at 10:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post


    also, when I typed in "Speedway lyrics" I was shocked and ashamed to discover that the fricken Counting Crows have a song with that title.

    anyway, the "Slam down the hammer" part could be about a judge but I think it's just someone who is judge-mental. Sort of like the person that he is thinking of when he sings

    "On the day that your mentality
    Catches up with your biology"

    or

    "But no more apologies
    No more, no more apologies
    Oh, I'm too tired
    I'm so sick and tired
    And I'm feeling very sick and ill today
    But I'm still fond of you, oh-ho-oh "

    but then I think I understand every song and 98% of them are about wanting the one that doesn't want him back, at least in The Smiths.


    And when you slam
    Down the hammer
    Can you see it in your heart ?
    All of the rumours
    Keeping me grounded
    I never said, I never said that they were
    Completely unfounded

    So when you slam
    Down the hammer
    Can you see it in your heart ?
    Can you delve so low ?
    And when youre standing
    On my fingers
    Can you see it in your heart ? ... ah ...
    And when you try
    To break my spirit
    It wont work
    Because theres nothing left to break
    Anymore
    All of the rumours
    Keeping me grounded
    I never said, I never said that they were
    Completely unfounded

    You wont sleep
    Until the earth that wants me
    Finally has me
    Oh youve done it now
    You wont rest
    Until the hearse that becomes me
    Finally takes me
    Oh youve done it now
    And you wont smile
    Until my loving mouth
    Is shut good and proper
    Forever

    All of the rumours
    Keeping me grounded
    I never said, I never said that they were
    Completely unfounded
    And all those lies
    Written lies, twisted lies
    Well, they werent lies
    They werent lies
    They werent lies

    I never said
    I never said
    I could have mentioned your name
    I could have dragged you in
    Guilt by implication
    By association
    Ive always been true to you
    In my own strange way
    Ive always been true to you
    In my own sick way
    Ill always stay true to you


    To me this song is about an affair that may have actually gotten somewhere until the object of his affection had a change of heart, or actually more like a change of mind.

    The rumours are those same old rumours and he never said, he never said...etc,

    and he's telling this person "I don't owe you anything, but you owe me something" because he kept this person from being scandalized or made the subject of the same rumours that Morrissey is the subject of.

    So my weaknesses in interpreting Morrissey's lyrics are that, to me there are no characters, maybe one or two songs, but all the rest is him singing as himself, and it's all true and directly from his life, and it's all about being in love or lusting after someone that either doesn't feel the same or hides that they do for some reason.
    Could be about Johnny, or not. But I do agree with you that it's about a love affair or relationship. Or even a friendship. Something happens, the other person calls it off. M. feels betrayed and thinks the other person enjoys his suffering. Still, he doesn't talk about it, he keeps the secret for themselves.
    And I heard so many things I failed to understand at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave View Post

    but i'm still fond of you, oh-ho-oh "
    :d:d:d:d

    Bugger, why don't those smileys work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by withmyheadonthebar View Post
    :d:d:d:d

    Bugger, why don't those smileys work?
    Try it with capital d.
    And I heard so many things I failed to understand at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by EPbabe View Post
    Try it with capital d.
    But all I did was click on them!

    (Thanks, though - I'll try it!)
    Last edited by withmyheadonthebar; September 5, 2008 at 12:41 PM. Reason: Look at that, it worked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by withmyheadonthebar View Post
    But all I did was click on them!

    (Thanks, though - I'll try it!)
    You probably had Caps Lock on. Happened to me too.
    And I heard so many things I failed to understand at all

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    Default Re: Does anyone here think Speedway is about Johnny Marr?

    Wasn't Speedway a movie with Elvis and Nancy Sinatra? I haven't seen it yet, so I have no idea if that is relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    So my weaknesses in interpreting Morrissey's lyrics are that, to me there are no characters, maybe one or two songs, but all the rest is him singing as himself, and it's all true and directly from his life, and it's all about being in love or lusting after someone that either doesn't feel the same or hides that they do for some reason.
    That's how I interpret them too, and it's really hard for me to think of his songs in any other way. I totally agree with you on the theme of loving someone who doesn't love you back... I absolutely always interpret those songs as Morrissey singing about his life and what has happened to him.

    I started reading the new Meetings With Morrissey book, and I'm slowly coming around to the idea that he writes with Oscar Wilde in mind as the character in songs occasionally. Still though, I think he sees so much of Oscar Wilde in himself, I think it's just as likely he's got himself in mind at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudia2006 View Post
    That's how I interpret them too, and it's really hard for me to think of his songs in any other way. I totally agree with you on the theme of loving someone who doesn't love you back... I absolutely always interpret those songs as Morrissey singing about his life and what has happened to him.

    I started reading the new Meetings With Morrissey book, and I'm slowly coming around to the idea that he writes with Oscar Wilde in mind as the character in songs occasionally. Still though, I think he sees so much of Oscar Wilde in himself, I think it's just as likely he's got himself in mind at the same time.
    Thank you. I feel validated.

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    I've always thought it was about the press judging and criticising him and with particular reference to the racist allegations made by the NME.

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    Yes I agree. That's how I remember it at the time, too. His verbal assault “All those Lies! Written Lies! Twisted Lies” seems to be directed towards the NME after the “Madstock” affair ... but with a classic Morrissey twist when he closes with “they weren’t lies, they weren’t lies” just to muddy the waters a little.
    At the time he was enjoying a very fruitful musical collaboration with Alain and Boz and I doubt if Johnny was much on his mind at all. If he was dwelling on any losses just then it would have been that of both close friend and producer, Mick Ronson, and his manager Nigel Thomas.

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