Claire Short has Balls

[Grim O'Grady]

At least she's prepared to stand up & tell the truth that if the gung ho nutters Bush & Blair & those of that ilk get their way there are going to be a lot of dead kids, innocent kids.
Saddam Hussein, anybody remember him? Oh yes a nasty pice of work, well what a good idea let's bomb the @#!!!head to pieces, oh dear how's that happened he's still in power but never mind at least we have killed loads of kids.
It's death for no reason & death for no reason is murder.
Sleep well
Love
Grim O'Grady

[Punchdrunk1975]

Tell the truth!!!

What the FUG are you on about,She is Queen of the Looney Left.There are thousands of kids and elderly people snuffing it every day in the UK and @#!!!bags like her would bleed Britain dry if she could give hand outs to people who at the end of the day dont give a HOOT.

I bet a months wages she is one of those people that silently condoned what happened in the US on Sept 11th.She is a witch.

90% of white people in Birmingham despise her as she is only intrested in immagrants and stiring up rascism between Black,White,Asian people.She is a joke.

[Mr.Proper]

Wow,soundz like quite a lady? she doesn't like u.s. it seems,but if we were giving them aide too(which I'm sure we have or will at one point),she'd be kissing our hariy bean bags.Notice how they change when you mention that we fund them to anything and everything in just about every country? so,i guess that would mean,she workz for uz? after all,it's our taxez that go to these countriez in the first place right?so,I guess that manz,she workz for me? fine,go fix me a sammich bitch.

[Grim O'Grady]

> Tell the truth!!!

You wouldn't understand the truth if it punched you in the face numbty.

> What the FUG are you on about, She is Queen of the Looney
> Left.

Looney... take a look in the mirror numbty.

There are thousands of kids and elderly people snuffing it
> every day in the UK

Maybe so numbty, but not by having a bomb land in their breakfast.

and @#!!! bags like her would bleed Britain
> dry if she could give hand outs to people who at the end of the
> day dont give a HOOT.

Listen numbty keep reading the scum or where ever you get your ideology from! The 'Asylum Seekers' only come to the U.K. because of the work, obviously untaxed, illegal & @#!!! conditions etc, but at least it's a way of earning some money. But in the U.K. unlike the 'Looney Left' democracies such as Germany & France who don't allow the 'black economy' to flourish like ours. I know this will be difficult for you to try & think for yourself but try it just this once, ask yourself this question? You've tracked thousands of miles to land up in France, & then think to yourself hmmmn, now it's warmer & friendlier here. What should I do..? I know I'll risk life & limb under an high speed train to get to the U.K. well it rains a lot the people are horrible & want to abuse me, yep that's the place for me. Ask yourself numbty why come here?

> I bet a months wages she is one of those people that silently
> condoned what happened in the US on Sept 11th.She is a witch.

I'll take your bet numbty, how much do you get? I'll give you 5 to 1.

> 90% of white people in Birmingham despise her as she is only
> intrested in immagrants and stiring up rascism between
> Black,White,Asian people.

"She’s only interested in stirring up racism" (almost your words).
Have you read or heard yourself recently numbty?

>She is a joke.

Well you certainly ain't funny numbty.

I'm sorry to admit I'm from the same gene pool as this numbty, the saving grace is at least I know which one of us can only manage to paddle in the shallow end.

Don't stray out of your depth numbty.

Grim O'Grady

[punchdrunk1975]

Look mongol BOY your one of these KUNTS that are due an almighty shock some day soon.Dont come crying to me you SAD prick.

Your @#!!!ing blind.I will be proved right at the end of the day of that I am sure.Will you be so liberal when you seen Brits coming home in body bags or bombs in your city???

I live in the real world mate are you a school teacher or a mature student or something.Lets exchange bank statements knobhead.I have a much better lifestyle than you 80)

Your the one that is blinded by the media,These immagrants should not be allowed in UNLESS it is proved they are not just trying to leech off the state.I dont think you really understand that the UK is on its knees at the moment.If you watch family and friends die waiting for hospital beds while we are dishing out everything and anything we can to people who are abusing the system and exploit the UK in every way they can.

> You wouldn't understand the truth if it punched you in the face
> numbty.

> Looney... take a look in the mirror numbty.

> There are thousands of kids and elderly people snuffing it

> Maybe so numbty, but not by having a bomb land in their
> breakfast.

> and @#!!! bags like her would bleed Britain

> Listen numbty keep reading the scum or where ever you get your
> ideology from! The 'Asylum Seekers' only come to the U.K.
> because of the work, obviously untaxed, illegal & @#!!!
> conditions etc, but at least it's a way of earning some money.
> But in the U.K. unlike the 'Looney Left' democracies such as
> Germany & France who don't allow the 'black economy' to
> flourish like ours. I know this will be difficult for you to try
> & think for yourself but try it just this once, ask yourself
> this question? You've tracked thousands of miles to land up in
> France, & then think to yourself hmmmn, now it's warmer
> & friendlier here. What should I do..? I know I'll risk life
> & limb under an high speed train to get to the U.K. well it
> rains a lot the people are horrible & want to abuse me, yep
> that's the place for me. Ask yourself numbty why come here?

> I'll take your bet numbty, how much do you get? I'll give you 5
> to 1.

> "She’s only interested in stirring up racism" (almost
> your words).
> Have you read or heard yourself recently numbty?

> Well you certainly ain't funny numbty.

> I'm sorry to admit I'm from the same gene pool as this numbty,
> the saving grace is at least I know which one of us can only
> manage to paddle in the shallow end.

> Don't stray out of your depth numbty.

> Grim O'Grady

[Ruffian]

> It's death for no reason & death for no reason is murder.

I speak for many people, But it's sad to say that the extremism, the avarice, greed, and racism on this board (shown up after the Twin Towers attack by some people) has disappointed my belief in the Moz fanbase. And it keeps me and many others away I am afraid. Much as I endorse freedom of speech.. intransegance is unforgivable.

I know a lot of people, the silent majority, are not like this.. and that people of whatever colour or nationality are fundamentally good.. Otherwise we would live in anarchy or worse, a Hitler state...

Grim.. It's nice to hear you.. Buy you a beer some time, over the Gurdian obviously..

Peace.
Ruffian.

[Billy Budd]

> I speak for many people, But it's sad to say that the extremism,
> the avarice, greed, and racism on this board (shown up after the
> Twin Towers attack by some people) has disappointed my belief in
> the Moz fanbase. And it keeps me and many others away I am
> afraid. Much as I endorse freedom of speech.. intransegance is
> unforgivable.

> I know a lot of people, the silent majority, are not like this..
> and that people of whatever colour or nationality are
> fundamentally good.. Otherwise we would live in anarchy or
> worse, a Hitler state...

> Grim.. It's nice to hear you.. Buy you a beer some time, over
> the Gurdian obviously..

> Peace.
> Ruffian.

Agree 100% as always Ruffian, I have a glimpse at this @#!!!e board occasionally nowadays just to see if anybody has made a decent contribution. I despair when I see people making comments like "scrounging of the state" etc, when will people learn that untill we get some proper progressive taxation in this country which is re-invested into the people, you will all go around playing the blame game on one another, if it's not the immigrants it's somebody else, remember the black muggers situation in the late 70's, there may have been a degree of truth in it, but just like we have seen countless times before it's there on the front page of your papers while your eating your corn flakes to distract your attention from what is really going on. We just go round and round with this situation because people are weak, hence the most popular newspaper being the one which treats people in this country like @#!!!e, did they ever appologise for their front page headline over Hillsborough -no, do I need to say which one I'm on about. I'm glad The Sex Pistols, The Clash and The Jam put me on the right tracks in questioning what we get fed by the mainstream.

Our Paul sums the situation up best in one line:

I wasn't sure if it was Marx or Hitler, that was in this year.

PS Ruffian, there is a Ruts tribute band called Savage Circle from Huddersfield, quite recently formed, only just found out about them myself, they are playing some gigs down London way soon if you wanna keep your eye out.

[Holden]

[Holden]

[daniel g mcGroarty]

hows about @#!!! you

[Holden Caulfield]

> hows about @#!!! you

No, I'm not a queer like you, asshole, but thank you anyway

[LoafingOaf]

> At least she's prepared to stand up & tell the truth that if
> the gung ho nutters Bush & Blair & those of that ilk get
> their way there are going to be a lot of dead kids, innocent
> kids.

I don't know who Claire Short is or what "truth" she has
told, but your notion that Blair and Bush want to kill
innocent children in response to the WTC attack is about
the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board. Perhaps
you don't keep up on the news, but America is going to great
length to get aid to as many innocents as possible, sending
it in via truck and even animal.

Thus far, the response
to the attack has been something I am quite proud of.
I would ask you to elaborate on what precisely
you think we've done wrong over the past weeks since Sept. 11,
and what you think we ought to do instead, but I know asking
people to elaborate on their nutty views on this board always goes
unanswered.

[daniel g mcGroarty]

[daniel g mcGroarty]

> No, I'm not a queer like you, asshole, but thank you anyway iwouldnt ever writhe that. you know i sleep all day saturdays
because i only go out once a week... some one also used my name a couple of weeks ago..from daninCA

[Grim O'Grady]

but I know asking
> people to elaborate on their nutty views on this board always
> goes
> unanswered.

Claire Short is a U.K. Member of Parliament, we elect these people to represent us. She has come out against the War, which as now started in Afghanistan.
So how long will it be before 'collateral' damage comes to light ie dead kids. 'Intelligence' is informing us that Bin Laden is holed up in a cave in the mountains. So why don't we go bomb the cities?
Does bombing work? Well ask Saddam Hussein, he's still alive & kicking. The sad part to this is that there are thousands dead in Iraq, innocent people.
Grim O'Grady

[Holden Caulfield]

> because i only go out once a week... some one also used my name
> a couple of weeks ago..from daninCA

ok, never mind, don't worry about it.

[LoafingOaf]

> but I know asking

> Claire Short is a U.K. Member of Parliament, we elect these
> people to represent us. She has come out against the War, which
> as now started in Afghanistan.

She was oppsed to the war, therefore, before America, Britain,
and the rest if the alliance, had actually done anything.
Which means she was against anything we might do, militarily.
Which means she believes America does not have a right to
self-defense, and that the people of Afghanistan do not
have a right to be liberated from their fascist regime.

If the world were run by the Claire Shorts of the world,
we all would be doomed. And I doubt she represents many in
Great BRitain, but she is doing a fine job of representing
bin Laden.

> So how long will it be before 'collateral' damage comes to light
> ie dead kids.

I don't know. But we didn't ask for this war, and any objective
watching of the news today shows that we are going to great
trouble to spare the innocents of suffering.

'Intelligence' is informing us that Bin Laden is
> holed up in a cave in the mountains. So why don't we go bomb the
> cities?

You ought to judge the mission when you actually know what it
is. Your premature judgments reveal you are a knee-jerk
anti-American. It's safe to say that YOU don't have the info
the military does right now, so you really are just a fool
sitting there judging something which has just begun.

> Does bombing work?

Bombing brought that other fascist, Milosevic, to justice.
Bombing can also give us control of the air, the cities,
and force the enemy to relocate and thus make them easier to
hunt down and take out. Apparently you haven't paid any
attention to current events because our president and your
prime minister have told you again and again that bombing
is not going to be the only action.

>Well ask Saddam Hussein, he's still alive
> & kicking. The sad part to this is that there are thousands
> dead in Iraq, innocent people.
> Grim O'Grady

Yes, there are thousands dead in Iraq BECAUSE Saddam runs
the country. Our policy hasn't been what I would want
it to be, but America has NEVER wanted a single innocent
Iraqi to die, and has never targetted a single innocent
IRaqi. It's unfortunate a fascist sicko runs that
country, nd it's unfortunate fascist sickos run Afghanistan.
Which makes one wonder why you oppose the now imminent
downfall of the fascists in Afghanistan. You're no friend
of the innocents in Afghanistan. You're just a misguided
person who thinks it's fashionable to be anti-American across the board, no matter what we do.

[LoafingOaf]

BTW, it did not go unnoticed that you failed to answer
my question about what PRECISELY you find wrong with
our actions since Sept. 11, and, more importantly,
what YOU would have us do instead.

I can only assume you didn't answer the very clear
question because you couldn't.

All you can do is cheer like a mindless robot to
anyone who knocks anything America does.

[Grim O'Grady]

Dear Loafing Oaf, thank you for letting me know how anti-american I am etc etc. I'm sure my Californian born wife will be very interested to know this *FACT*, also a small factor you appear to have over looked is that the U.K. are doing the bombing as well as your gung ho president. Therefore according to your 'I'm right & you are wrong' attitude I must also be anti-british. What I find wrong with 'your' actions since Sept' 11th is your barbaric attitude to this problem, Bin Laden isn't a fascist, he's a @#!!! head & a terrorist but I think we ought to 'remove the log of wood from our own eyes before removing the splinter from others'. Bin Laden or whoever else was responsible for the attrocities on Sept 11th should be brought to justice & tried as such. We should not be murdering innocent people because that puts 'us' as low as the perpetrators.
You now ask what would I do instead, is there any point me answering this? You have already made enough derogatory judgmental statments about me.
I love America, I love England, I love the World what I don't love is the evil b**tards that have brainwashed you into believing that we have the right to murder people. To try & explain how to run Our World in a more peacful way would be slightly beyond your comprehension at the present & I don't mean that disrespectfully although I don't mind how you take it as you have little or no regard to my feelings, not that I would lose sleep over an internet message board posting of anybodies. If you think that this is just a get out from answering the question then I bow down to your superior knowledge.
Love life & peace.
Grim O'Grady
P.s. Although the subject is not funny what did bring a wry smile to my face is when you likened me to a mindless robot, I don't know whether you got the U.K. t.v. series 'Dr Who' in the U.S. but his arch enemy (well one of them) where the Darleks, robotic types whose catchphrase was 'Exterminate, exterminate', remind you of anyone?

[LoafingOaf]

> Dear Loafing Oaf, thank you for letting me know how
> anti-american I am etc etc. I'm sure my Californian born wife
> will be very interested to know this *FACT*,

Perhaps you want to backtrack from your previous statements,
but you said if America and Britain "have their way" we'll
murder innocent children.

What I see on the news are reports that we bombed military targets such as airports, unpopulated terrorist camps, and the
vacant residences of some of the fascist psychopaths. Why do you cry for the destruction of these tools that have been used to oppress
Afghanis and bring mass murder to the world?

I guess I missed the reports of us targetting innocent children.
What channel was that on? The bin LAden News NEtwork? I did
see us sending in food for the people starving to death under
their fascist regime.

When you talk of innocents dying, it's odd to me that you
make no mention of the fact that your average Afghani child
has been dying before the age of 5 under the Taliban.
You also seem unaware that the World Bank just reported
40,000 children worldwide will starve to death as
a direct result of the worldwide economic problems caused by Sept. 11,
and millions more will fall into desperate poverty.

You apparantly would have taken the view in WW2 that
the Allies were "murdering" innocent German children
when they were taking down the nazis.

>also a small factor
> you appear to have over looked is that the U.K. are doing the
> bombing as well as your gung ho president.

I said: "America, Britain, and the rest of the alliance."

Bush would have been what you suggest had he carpet bombed
populated areas and/or used nukes in an irrational
revenge mission. Instead, Bush has followed the advice of
Colin Powell, united the civilized world, acted patiently
and justly, and views part of the mission as humanitarian to help
the people of Afghanistan. You failed to reserve judgment, and thus far he is proving you wrong. I will be the first to take
to the streets if the policy turns immoral, and I would
agree that American policy has been immoral at times in
history.

>Therefore according
> to your 'I'm right & you are wrong' attitude I must also be
> anti-british. What I find wrong with 'your' actions since Sept'
> 11th is your barbaric attitude to this problem, Bin Laden isn't
> a fascist, he's a @#!!! head & a terrorist

He wants to exterminate the "infidels" which are any people
who don't subscribe to his fundamentalist beliefs. Including
other muslims, whom he deems "impure" and thus deserving
of slaughter. I choose to call him a fascist because
he reminds me of Hitler. As an Afghani wrote at salon.com
recently, the Taliban are like the NAzis, bin LAden is like
Hitler, and the people of Afghanistan are like the Jews in the
concentration camps.

I posted an essay by Salman
Rushdie which I find to be the best thing written about
all this, and it is under a message I titled "more
for the self-hating left." Salman Rushdie, you may recall,
was the writer these type of Islamic fundamentalists targeted
for death just because he wrote a book. The kind of world these
people want is a world of Islamic fascism, where unveiled
women have acid thrown on their faces, and anyone and anything not pure enough must be destroyed (thus they blew up 2000 year
old Buddhas). They attempted to kill 100,000 innocent
New Yorkers in one hour, and to blow up our centers of democracy, economy, and defense. The 6000+ they did succeed in killing
is about the same number of innocents Milosevic slaughtered
in genocide. We no longer
can afford to coexist with them. They have brought hell to
their own people, and they are trying to bring hell to you
and your family as well. At some point, please find enough
respect for the modern world I assume you enjoy living in
to stop those who want to push it into chaos, disorder, and fear.

So, yes, bombs away.

>but I think we
> ought to 'remove the log of wood from our own eyes before
> removing the splinter from others'. Bin Laden or whoever else
> was responsible for the attrocities on Sept 11th should be
> brought to justice & tried as such.

And to bring him to justice requires military action.

>We should not be
> murdering innocent people because that puts 'us' as low as the
> perpetrators.

Targetting innocents, or not taking reasonable precautions
to minimize accidental innocents from dying, would be wrong. Not
all war is wrong or "murder" however. This is one of
the just wars, and thus far we are fighting it in exemplary fashion.

> You now ask what would I do instead, is there any point me
> answering this? You have already made enough derogatory
> judgmental statments about me.

The point in answering would be to prove how serious you
are. If you can't think of a better option for us
to take, why should I not continue to support the present
action? I certainly cannot support NON-action. In the real
world you sometimes have to do things you wish you didn't.

You made derogatory, judgmental statements yourself, calling
Bush, Blair, and by implication those who support their
present actions, child murderers. You must have known
this would be offensive to some of us, who aren't going
to sit here and be called evil when we are trying to
honorably and morally do something about one of the worst
single day mass slaughers of innocent people in human history.

It's amazing to me that you have far harsher language
against Bush and Blair than you do against bin Laden.
I know you're no fan of bin Laden, but there's gotta
be something telling about that.

> I love America, I love England, I love the World what I don't
> love is the evil b**tards that have brainwashed you into
> believing that we have the right to murder people.

I don't consider it murder to kill fascists who attacked
my country and targetted innocent people. Self-defense is not
murder. Check your English common law and you'll see.
In American criminal law, for example, one who is at risk of imminent death or serious bodily harm has a right to use deadly force
to protect himself. This is a basic moral principle. It is not barbaric to defend my home, my country, my way of life, and all of modern civilization against religious freak psychopaths who are an imminent threat. It would
be suicide not to.

>To try &
> explain how to run Our World in a more peacful way would be
> slightly beyond your comprehension at the present & I don't
> mean that disrespectfully although I don't mind how you take it
> as you have little or no regard to my feelings, not that I would
> lose sleep over an internet message board posting of anybodies.
> If you think that this is just a get out from answering the
> question then I bow down to your superior knowledge.
> Love life & peace.
> Grim O'Grady
> P.s. Although the subject is not funny what did bring a wry
> smile to my face is when you likened me to a mindless robot, I
> don't know whether you got the U.K. t.v. series 'Dr Who' in the
> U.S. but his arch enemy (well one of them) where the Darleks,
> robotic types whose catchphrase was 'Exterminate, exterminate',
> remind you of anyone?

This was a get out from answering the question.

I don't claim to have superior knowledge. I just think some
people have been taught to hate all things America and all
things West for so long that they feel guilty to stand up for their way of life against fascists.
(If you want my definition of "our way of life," see the Salman
Rushdie essay.)