Shyness is nice, but not if the psychologists & drugmakers have their way

A new book, Shyness: How Normal Behavior Became a Sickness, sheds light on the trend of classifying normal human behaviors as psychological illnesses, and developing drugs to "treat" them. According to this article about the book, the author

meticulously and systematically researched the archives of the American Psychiatric Association to analyze American psychiatry's extraordinary shift in the last 30 years from a psychoanalytic orientation relying on talk therapy to its current emphasis on neuroscience and drugs.
I'm disturbed by this very trend, as I have several family members who take these kinds of mood-altering drugs, and frequently pressure me to do the same. I suspect that many forum members are also either taking these, or are candidates for them. I won't say any more; read the article if you're at all interested.

In the interest of full disclosure, my sister-in-law is a psychologist who is firmly opposed to the increasing reliance on drugs, but my opinions on the matter have been influenced by hers about as much as anybody's opinions are influenced by a younger sister's, possibly less.
 
you are seriously bored, arent you.
 
i just want to make a short point here that while there are people who are overmedicated, there's an equal amount of them out there UNDER medicated. Medication has its place. Its too bad the hypochondriacs are ruining it all!
 
I think that the pharmaceutical companies and the doctor's that they buy off have ruined it.

* Gifts: Psychiatrists in Vermont earn more money from pharmaceutical companies than other medical specialists, according to a report released on Tuesday by the state, the New York Times reports. Vermont identified the top 100 paid specialists in the state, finding 11 psychiatrists and five endocrinologists in the group. The state found that payments to psychiatrists more than doubled from an average of $20,835 in 2005 to $45,692 in 2006. Endocrinologists earned the second highest amount from drug companies at an average of $33,730 in 2006. Researchers also found that psychiatrists who earn the most from drug companies prescribe atypical antipsychotic drugs off-label to children most often. A similar pattern was found in Minnesota, where psychiatrists earn more from drug companies than other physicians and prescribe more antipsychotic drugs to children. The findings "have helped to fuel a growing interest among state and federal officials to document and restrict payments to doctors from drug makers," according to the Times (Harris, New York Times, 6/27).

* Continuing medical education: Pharmaceutical companies in 2005 paid for about half of the $2.25 billion annual cost of continuing medical education courses that physicians must take to maintain their medical licenses, the Washington Post reports. Data show that drug and medical device makers pay for about two-thirds of the cost of courses sponsored by prestigious medical schools. Critics say that the rise of pharmaceutical-sponsored CME courses "raises health care costs, skews doctors' treatment decisions and allows the industry to skirt laws against advertising 'off-label' uses for its products," according to the Post. Senate Special Committee on Aging Chair Herb Kohl (D-Wis.) said, "It appears that everyone profits from this pervasive system of gifts and payments, except the consumer." However, Scott Lassman, senior assistant general counsel for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, said that pharmaceutical sponsorship of CME courses allows physicians to learn about the latest medical and scientific research. He added that the courses "are viewed as running independently of the pharmaceutical company. The company may be providing the funding for it, but they are not directing the content." The Senate committee will meet Wednesday to discuss the issue (Williamson/Lee, Washington Post, 6/27).


comment: That's just a random story. I've read about conventions held in luxury vacation resorts where doctors are hosted for free to attend seminars about why they should prescribe certain drugs. I'm not a Christian Scientist or something, but people are overmedicated and nobody really knows the answer. My grandmother had a health plan with a certain organization that would provide her with a primary care physician. They frequently changed as they left the program, and new doctors came in, for reasons I have no idea about. But I do know that every new doctor would change her prescriptions.
Medications that we had been told were absolutely critical would be dropped. She was taking seven drugs a day at one time and with a change of doctor it was reduced to two. Not only that but her symptoms such as dizziness and upset stomach were side effects of several of the medications they prescribed.

But I think the real problem is medicating normal children that are diagnosed with attention deficit disorder and things that are really hard to quantify. It's not that it doesn't exist, but why do so many kids suddenly suffer from it? Much of it comes down to diet. Eating all kinds of weird artificial foods loaded with sugar and dyes and who knows what.
 
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Dave: YOu're right. It ticked me off to no end when my psych wanted to give me concerta instead of what worked, adderall. he got kickbacks w/ concerta. i left him.

Also i think its horribly sneaky of pharmaceutical companies try and get you to change your meds when you get them through the mail. my husband gets a certain medication through the mail and they sent him a letter claiming he'd save this much money if he switched to *insert generic name of a drug here*. the tricky part was, the drug was NOT a generic of what he was taking. it was another drug in the same family but it wasnt a generic version of what he had. a less astute person would assume it was just the generic for what they already took, and that could have bad consequences.
NRITH: Now you can say "Is the pop an ex nazi youth member" hahahah
 
Dave: YOu're right. It ticked me off to no end when my psych wanted to give me concerta instead of what worked, adderall. he got kickbacks w/ concerta. i left him.

Also i think its horribly sneaky of pharmaceutical companies try and get you to change your meds when you get them through the mail. my husband gets a certain medication through the mail and they sent him a letter claiming he'd save this much money if he switched to *insert generic name of a drug here*. the tricky part was, the drug was NOT a generic of what he was taking. it was another drug in the same family but it wasnt a generic version of what he had. a less astute person would assume it was just the generic for what they already took, and that could have bad consequences.
NRITH: Now you can say "Is the pop an ex nazi youth member" hahahah

That's the other thing! The medications, length of hospital stay, and so on are so influenced by the insurance companies. My grandmother was released from the hospital with pneumonia and the doctor said "I can't lose my job".

First of all, the fact that she would think that way is shocking, but to actually say that? I was stunned. She and the hospital and the insurance company should have been sued for forcing certain decision on us, but when you're already worn out it's hard to take on anything else.
 
my husband's recent stay was 5 days, and it should have been at least two more. I would not be surprised if he ends up back in the hospital in the next month. And to make things worse, the doctor he originally saw in the ER about 3 1/2 weeks ago when he had cellulitis, treated him for a UTI instead, even though I firmly believed he wasn't suffering from a UTI. so the antibiotics they gave him killed the weak staph and then only the worst of the staph flourished, while we were on vacation. he was *this close* to being septic.
Its all so ass backwards. If they just took CARE of people, no matter the cost (A Cellulitis outbreak is more costly than a UTI!), it would even itself out when they don't have to return for more care!
 
I'm so glad that I don't work in a hospital, but at a private non-profit. When somebody's insurance maxes out we don't make them leave, we just switch them to public funding until they're actually ready to go. Nothing about their care actually changes, but some clerk presses a few buttons in a computer and it's all sorted out. Why can't hospitals work like that? It would be cheaper in the long run, and people would get appropriate healthcare.

About the drug thing, so many of my friends have sons who are around pre-school age and slightly older, none of them allow their kids to watch more than an hour of TV per day. Nearly all of them (except the kid at the granola head alternative school) are getting hassled about ADHD already. Their children are normal, active, healthy kids but the majority of their classmates are fat, spaced out and passive. The preschools put a giant tub of cheerios on the tables and expect 4 and 5-year olds to sit and color all day, then sleep for 3 hours. These are the "good" preschools, btw, like $1000 per month.
 
that is disgusting. all their drooly little fingers in the same cheerios bowl? This is why i dont take communion when i find myself in catholic churches!
Some people actually do have adhd. I wish I had been treated as a teenager because i would have done so much better in school. I did fine in school but I didnt do work or read because I was bad at concentrating, and i still graduated in the top 100 with honors, but i had Cs in math and i really wish i'd been treated then so i could get decent math scores. you can't make up math like you can english papers, its where i failed the most. after i recieved medication, i was able to get As and Bs in difficult math courses in college that i had previously failed. and i had NO FAITH in the meds. I figured it was a bunch of crap. But it truly helped, it even helped with my work. i'm thankful for it but its a pain in the ass to find a good doctor.
 
A new book, Shyness: How Normal Behavior Became a Sickness, sheds light on the trend of classifying normal human behaviors as psychological illnesses, and developing drugs to "treat" them. According to this article about the book, the author

I'm disturbed by this very trend, as I have several family members who take these kinds of mood-altering drugs, and frequently pressure me to do the same. I suspect that many forum members are also either taking these, or are candidates for them. I won't say any more; read the article if you're at all interested.

In the interest of full disclosure, my sister-in-law is a psychologist who is firmly opposed to the increasing reliance on drugs, but my opinions on the matter have been influenced by hers about as much as anybody's opinions are influenced by a younger sister's, possibly less.

that looks very interesting, sir. thank you for that.

[...] Its too bad the hypochondriacs are ruining it all!

...although, arguably, the medical & "therapeutic" professions are, at least, partially responsible for their hypochondria.
 
that looks very interesting, sir. thank you for that.



...although, arguably, the medical & "therapeutic" professions are, at least, partially responsible for their hypochondria.
thik i might borrow it off you too.
 
But I think the real problem is medicating normal children that are diagnosed with attention deficit disorder and things that are really hard to quantify. It's not that it doesn't exist, but why do so many kids suddenly suffer from it? Much of it comes down to diet. Eating all kinds of weird artificial foods loaded with sugar and dyes and who knows what.

Oh - don't even get me started!!! I have 2 much younger cousins that have been diagnosed with ADHD. Honestly, they are teenagers who live on ho-hos and coke with no discipline. Luckily they aren't overweight - yet. Too busy bouncing off the walls.

Come to think of it, everybody in my family except me and my father are on meds for personality disorders. Again - lots of caffiene and sugar. Sometimes I feel like I'm the wierd one as I'm not on meds, especially when I turn on the TV. Wait a minute, what did they say the side effects were? Oh, maybe I'll just deal with my overactive bladder. :p
 
in a similar vein, this essay is interesting.
 
it's not just mental illness they are making up, but all sorts of physical illness just to sell drugs. CEOs and those working for the companies have a job--a legal duty--to do everything possible to keep profits not only coming in, but also growth. IF you are a shareholder, you want the stock to go up...making up diseases and mental illness, where there was none before, is a brilliant plan if your goal is to bring in profit.

when i was in college, a few times i took my friend's ADHD medicine to pull all nighters writing papers. since every time i took it my body wasn't used to it, it was a very speedy effect. I wrote A+ papers on that stuff. This one time a professor invited me to write a thesis paper after one of my papers (13 page, 10 font) ...he thought i spent weeks on it. i didn't start it until 10 pm the day before it was due. so yes, it will help your mental performance at a time of need...but is it natural? does it mean you are lacking something, in an abnormal way, when you are not on ADHD medicine?

It's getting to the point parents are seeking medicine for kids because they don't want their kids trailing the kids who are on medicine. weird science.
 
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