Open letter to Wendy Wu.

[Cili]

Get some perspective. The way you come off through your messages (including those as aurore george), I've actually lost some respect for the man I think Morrissey must be to keep such a puerile and impetuous girl by his side.

I don't understand why you have to insult Morrissey's fans here by calling them childish morons and cowards, especially when you're just as blameworthy as anyone you point your finger at, if not more. If it weren't for these fans, morons or not, Morrissey would be nothing. What's an artist without his or her fans? For a long time now the fans' waiting and yearning has been met with nothing but silence, both commercially and personally from Morrissey. I think most sensible people understand that this is just the way things go in the real world, as Morrissey is a human being with a life first before he's a slave to his diminishing legions. When seemingly out of the blue there's news of a DVD release, the news is met understandably with a great deal of excitement and anticipation. Then, again suddenly and seemingly out of the blue, Morrissey issues a statement condemning the sale of the DVD, which surprises and disappoints many people. I don't think it's a mystery as to why people may feel hurt or angry. Most people here don't seem to be from the industry, and they're manifestly not Morrissey's personal friends. They're fans. And fans want releases, any form of communication from their artists. You seem to have missed all this. I understand that some of the initial words on this website may have seemed harsh, but they were no harsher or more unsympathetic than your messages (as Wendy Wu or aurore george).

It's only natural that people would exaggerate their sentiments during heated moments, and it's not only childish but moronic to judge people based upon their words during these moments. Isn't it ironic that the one who accuses people of being childish morons aptly models this specific behaviour herself?

You write, "Nor is [my message] for those who believe [Morrissey] is infallible and follow blindly," yet everything in your messages suggest that you again are guilty of your very own condemnation. You impugn sycophancy, then extol people like Tibby, who, no offence, must be about 14 and says things like "I love Mozzer more than life!!!" So when is it all right to be a sycophant and when is it not? Because I think some of us would like to know in order to do it with your approval.

Why don't you step down from your offensive high horse and stop insulting Morrissey's fans with pejoratives and condescension. You might also want to start thinking about what your positions really are on all your hysterical anti-Morrissey paranoia. You seem to think that because a fan says what he or she does while "knowing NOTHING about him" a fan has no right to say any thing at all--when you don't agree with what's said, that is. I'm sure Tibby knows no more about Morrissey than any of the anonymous people you hate so much, yet you seem to have no problem with Tibby's fulsome words. Has it ever occurred to you that really most people here know little about Morrissey, especially compared to what his friend would know? Does that mean only you have the right to speak your mind? Really, it's not the fans who should be understanding of the mechanics of fandom but the artists (and these artists' friends). Get over it for God's sake. If it bothers you so much, don't come to a public place where opinions are exchanged. And let's remember, first and foremost, people are here because they are Morrissey's fans. Even if sometimes people complain, they're here because they're fans first. Try to remember this patent fact in the future.

I think the best thing for you to do is either sink back into the safety of incognito until you grow up, or just shut up entirely because, to me anyhow, you've done more harm to Morrissey's image than anything any fan has written on this website. I think maybe you should start thinking about him before you start writing such dopey messages on the internet. If you can judge men by the company they keep, things don't look very good for Morrissey right now. If you're out to argue with every dissenting voice, then you're in for a lot of headaches. Coming to the largest Morrissey fan page on the net and calling people morons doesn't strike me as the smartest behaviour. For someone who seems to enjoy calling people f*cking idiots and useless morons, you kind of come off like a f*cking idiot moron yourself. Aurore George? Curious George is more like it.

[Hibernianbilly]

I agree with this post 100%. I replied to Wendy Wu's post yesterday in a similar vien and received more abuse from her. I doubt Morrissey has any idea that she is doing this.

[Mimi]

> I agree with this post 100%. I replied to Wendy Wu's post
> yesterday in a similar vien and received more abuse from her. I
> doubt Morrissey has any idea that she is doing this.

I don't think so, I think he knows exactly what she is doing here..... I don't agree with Cili's bashing of her, however I don't agree a 100% with Wendy Wu either. Like I said, the truth probably lies in the middle.

I guess you two underestimate the fact that most of the posts here recently are nowhere near constructive critisism or just personal complaints, they're simply unreasonably hateful plus anonymously posted (thus those people ARE cowards)....all in all very inappropriate for fans, angry or not.

[Hibernianbilly]

I think you miss the point that Wendy's post is equally hateful and unconstructive. Her posts are NOT professional or fitting for a 'spokesperson'.

[Lifeguard Sleeping]

[Mimi]

> I think you miss the point that Wendy's post is equally hateful
> and unconstructive. Her posts are NOT professional or fitting
> for a 'spokesperson'.

She isn't a spokesperson, she's a friend. MY point was, that those who post anonymous hateful banter deserve to be called cowards. I understood that those were the ones she referred to, of course there's many others too. But then they were mentioned aswell, were't they?

[Hibernianbilly]

> She isn't a spokesperson, she's a friend. MY point was, that
> those who post anonymous hateful banter deserve to be called
> cowards. I understood that those were the ones she referred to,
> of course there's many others too. But then they were mentioned
> aswell, were't they?

Sory Mimi but Moz sending a flunky (if thats what's happened) to engage in a slanging match is just very, very childish and achieves nothing. Wendy hurling abuse, whether you think its justified or not makes Morrissey look like a coward and it makes him look guilty that he has made no announcement. Moz should drop wendy and speak for himself or get a PR.

[Hibernianbilly]

Cili, are you British ? What do you do for a living ? You don't have to answer obviously, I am just curious about the author of such a fine message.

[Laura]

> Sory Mimi but Moz sending a flunky (if thats what's happened) to
> engage in a slanging match is just very, very childish and
> achieves nothing. Wendy hurling abuse, whether you think its
> justified or not makes Morrissey look like a coward and it makes
> him look guilty that he has made no announcement. Moz should
> drop wendy and speak for himself or get a PR.

She is a regular viewer of the webpage (as evidenced by her responses to some comments), and has an opinion. I think there are a few factors to keep in mind here:

1. She is a friend of Morrissey; she knows him a bit more personally than any would...she is where many would like to be. Do I sense a strike of jealousy in some responses to Wendy's passionate words? So she has chosen some biting insults and condescending sounding tones- I have heard NOTHING less from anyone here. And she was defending someone she loves is all!

2. She is a woman. And women are historically more empassioned with estrogen...you never know what her emotional quotient is unless you can look back in your days as a woman (or feeling like one) and see yourself doing the same thing for someone you love, you respect and you support. WE all have moments when we are less eloquent with what we meant to say, even if it WAS in our best interest to stay as calm as possible. Sometimes it just isn't possible to be as such.

3. She knows more than we all would about a man we all are fans of in one respect or another. We all come here for a reason: to see or find info on the man we would love to hear from eventually. All she was doing was letting you know how things are so disappointing for her when she probably see's the insights of Morrissey on an almost daily basis. She writes infrequently, and as such when she does it is when she has found herself so frustrated and let down by what the public has said about their object of so called admiration, and her FRIEND, she finds herself in defense mode. It is all simple psychology. And if you can HONESTLY look back in your life and NOT remember a time when you felt the way Wendy has expressed herself then you can not honestly tell me you have made friends with ANYONE in your life.

Wendy, I agree your words are a bit harsh, but I have used the same words myself- maybe that is why I understand how you feel. Many years ago a man said something to my best friend in such an insensitive manor, I berated him up and down not knowing who he was, what he did for a living, not knowing his intellectual background, not CARING about HIM at all...it wasn't very Christian of me, but then again all I knew was he had said something rather selfishly to her and I felt an IMMEDIATE need to let him know how stupid it was. He shut his yap immediately and proceeded to appologize right away. I am sure he thought of many words he could have used against me later on, and I thought of ways I could have said what I said to him in a less insulting tone, but it didn't happen that way. Fortunately for us both there were few witnesses and no recording devices to make it be stuck in anywhere other than our minds for as long as we can remember the incident.

And I hope this ends soon, and that you continue to feel the need to defend your friend for as long as it is necessary. (actually, I hope what you have said will help people understand THEIR words about him, and help them remember his humanity so that such a defense is not needed.) It is your right, and if people don't want to understand that, that would be their problem wouldn't it?

Laura

[Hibernianbilly]

'Oh ma Gahd, what a brave message, we'll be raght back after these messages when we'll hear more great stories of strong women fighting for their man'. Candy coated American @#!!!e anyone ?

[Laura]

[Bertrand]

I decided to post what I thought about this DVD and Wendy Wu's message this morning, only to see, Cili, that you had already done it for me! I agree with you on almost every point.

I've read Wendy's messages both here and on the main page. I'm dissappointed that Morrissey would have such a mean person around him and let her act as his unofficial spokesperson to this site. She never once has said anything that was not rude, hurtful or condescending. Also, only reading Morissey the "good stuff" is pure sycophancy and really does Morrissey no good. If Morrissey wants to know what we are saying about him here, he has to hear it all, not just the fawning stuff.

About the DVD, I am very excited about it. I'm sorry that Morrissey is unhappy about its existence, but I've ordered a copy. Much as I love Morrissey, I make my own decisions. I don't believe this release any different than any other bootleg release and don't think my purchase of it does Morrissey any great harm. I also think this all could have been avoided it J Barry had been less naive (ask Mike Joyce how important it is to get things in writing from Moz!) and Morrissey hadn't displayed is as usual confusing business acumen. If the Mozzer had told Barry, when twice given the opportunity, not to release this, it might not have happened. Additionally, if instead of releasing a threatening note to David, Moz had said either "While I did arrange with Mr Barry to document the last tour, it was meant for my personal use and not public release" or "I have seen the DVD and do not feel it is up to the standard of something I can sanction, so please don't buy", I might not have purchased it.

As to Morrissey, I love the man's music and what he stands for, but not blindly. After all these years, I cannot help but have formed an opinion about him. I think he has often been conflicted about his sexuality. He craves success and celebrity, but also fears failure so that he often sabotages himself. He's charismatic, but he's not very good at maintaining relationships. He has streak of jealousy. He often deals poorly with people around him - not because he is cruel, but because he is @#!!!ty at interpersonal communication. He likes sycophants.

Sometimes I was happier in my fandom when it was just me and the songs and not all this peripheral crap.

[suzanne]

> She is a regular viewer of the webpage (as evidenced by her
> responses to some comments), and has an opinion. I think there
> are a few factors to keep in mind here:

> 1. She is a friend of Morrissey; she knows him a bit more
> personally than any would...she is where many would like to be.
> Do I sense a strike of jealousy in some responses to Wendy's
> passionate words? So she has chosen some biting insults and
> condescending sounding tones- I have heard NOTHING less from
> anyone here. And she was defending someone she loves is all!

> 2. She is a woman. And women are historically more empassioned
> with estrogen...you never know what her emotional quotient is
> unless you can look back in your days as a woman (or feeling
> like one) and see yourself doing the same thing for someone you
> love, you respect and you support. WE all have moments when we
> are less eloquent with what we meant to say, even if it WAS in
> our best interest to stay as calm as possible. Sometimes it just
> isn't possible to be as such.

I just....wooo...nope, can't do it..urge too strong...

Do you have any idea how chauvinisic that is?

I'm sorry, but if you've heard more than one story about some guy being locked up behind bars for shooting and killing someone because they got into an argument with someone about a nickel, I think you would seriously sit down and re-evaluate that statement you just made.

But guess what mi amiche? I understand her position. If I had personal access to such a cool guy on a daily basis, I too would be clinging to him like a kitten with their velcro kitty claws. Any of you would. Any of you, I know, would make it a personal mission to hunt and kill on his behalf just so you can sleep better at night knowing you have proven your worth to be with him. I'm not making an underhanded criticism of her. I'm just pointing out that nobody should fault her for what most of you would do if you had the opportunity.

But now we know who it is, it's a good time to clear things up. I think everyone's headaches will be much smaller at the end of the day. This is the time to seperate yourselves from the paramecium, or at least start the journey towards zen....as some ancient chinese philosopher would have once said, you don't arrive there overnight, but it's a life long journey.

But with the whole DVD scheisse that started it all: Indeed the people who come here are thirsty. They don't want to feel bad in purchasing something they are doing out of their want of owning everything morrissey has ever burped. Now they do. To everyone, there are two doors they can go through:

1. some guy who is willing to sell them something that from outward appearances has no strings attached and gives them a taste of what they had been dying to see for years.

2. some guy that wants door number one closed.

Is this how the scenario actually is? Not really. As fans, people are interested in the small world of their favorite's music being able to transcend the boundaries of lawyers, paperwork, personal issues, business deals because in their mind, all the paperwork has absolutely nothing to do with how they got the music.

But music is a business and is at the mercy of money. No one should criticize Mozzer for the house he lives in as it was you the fans who put him there. He didn't steal your money. He put a product on the shelf and you decided in the end to make the journey to the record store to buy it. Any person who has conveniently forgotten that fact needs to go stand in front of their CD collection and think back to the moment when you bought every single album and how it made you feel when you did.

You don't forget those things, do you? I don't. I can tell you how I got all of my albums that I currently own, Daffy Duck excluded as I was probably 4 at the time. i can tell you when...maybe not the exact date, but the timeframe. I can tell you what store. I can tell you how it was like going home and listening to it the first time.

All of you kept buying more because you liked the way it made you feel. How you felt when you loaded up with your friends in a car and drove 8 hours across the stateline to see him in concert.

But the end result is invariably a money exchange. Morrissey not only needs money to feed himself, but also the families of the musicians who work for him and don't see them for several months when they are out on the road. But why on earth should a man such as himself only make due with earning enough to eat?

AS with any job, if you do a good job, you get more money. it beats the hell out of him doing all the work and the record company owner being the one driving around in the BMW.

But this DVD is a symptom. It's like putting a face to a problem that has been bothering you, but don't have anyone to focus it on.

[Laura]

> I just....wooo...nope, can't do it..urge too strong...

> Do you have any idea how chauvinisic that is?
But I still find it true. For the most part...I'm NOT saying men don't get angry and react, I am saying that a woman does it from more of an emotional side than just a "Get angry do what I can to beat your face in" side. So, I'm chauvinistic. I've been called worse...

> I'm sorry, but if you've heard more than one story about some
> guy being locked up behind bars for shooting and killing someone
> because they got into an argument with someone about a nickel, I
> think you would seriously sit down and re-evaluate that
> statement you just made.

Hmm, after re-evaluating, I STILL feel the same way. Sorry to disappoint you girls out there.

> But guess what mi amiche? I understand her position. If I had
> personal access to such a cool guy on a daily basis, I too would
> be clinging to him like a kitten with their velcro kitty claws.
> Any of you would. Any of you, I know, would make it a personal
> mission to hunt and kill on his behalf just so you can sleep
> better at night knowing you have proven your worth to be with
> him. I'm not making an underhanded criticism of her. I'm just
> pointing out that nobody should fault her for what most of you
> would do if you had the opportunity.

Yes, I had a feeling you understood her position...I thought what you said under her comment was very poignant and intelligent.

> But now we know who it is, it's a good time to clear things up.
> I think everyone's headaches will be much smaller at the end of
> the day. This is the time to seperate yourselves from the
> paramecium, or at least start the journey towards zen....as some
> ancient chinese philosopher would have once said, you don't
> arrive there overnight, but it's a life long journey.

Huh? I mean, I kind of get what you are saying, but I sort of don't see how it applies...

> But with the whole DVD scheisse that started it all: Indeed the
> people who come here are thirsty. They don't want to feel bad in
> purchasing something they are doing out of their want of owning
> everything morrissey has ever burped. Now they do. To everyone,
> there are two doors they can go through:

> 1. some guy who is willing to sell them something that from
> outward appearances has no strings attached and gives them a
> taste of what they had been dying to see for years.

> 2. some guy that wants door number one closed.

> Is this how the scenario actually is? Not really. As fans,
> people are interested in the small world of their favorite's
> music being able to transcend the boundaries of lawyers,
> paperwork, personal issues, business deals because in their
> mind, all the paperwork has absolutely nothing to do with how
> they got the music.

> But music is a business and is at the mercy of money. No one
> should criticize Mozzer for the house he lives in as it was you
> the fans who put him there. He didn't steal your money. He put a
> product on the shelf and you decided in the end to make the
> journey to the record store to buy it. Any person who has
> conveniently forgotten that fact needs to go stand in front of
> their CD collection and think back to the moment when you bought
> every single album and how it made you feel when you did.

> You don't forget those things, do you? I don't. I can tell you
> how I got all of my albums that I currently own, Daffy Duck
> excluded as I was probably 4 at the time. i can tell you
> when...maybe not the exact date, but the timeframe. I can tell
> you what store. I can tell you how it was like going home and
> listening to it the first time.

> All of you kept buying more because you liked the way it made
> you feel. How you felt when you loaded up with your friends in a
> car and drove 8 hours across the stateline to see him in
> concert.

I was always fortunate enough to either be in the city where he played, or be damned close to it. I have never driven more than 2 hours to see him- and that is in standing still traffic.

> But the end result is invariably a money exchange. Morrissey not
> only needs money to feed himself, but also the families of the
> musicians who work for him and don't see them for several months
> when they are out on the road. But why on earth should a man
> such as himself only make due with earning enough to eat?

> AS with any job, if you do a good job, you get more money. it
> beats the hell out of him doing all the work and the record
> company owner being the one driving around in the BMW.

True, very true...

Laura

P.S. Suzanne, I TOTALLY appreciate your point of view. Though I sometimes think you are acting out of some agression, you are one of the most TRUE people here. You never f.uck around with anyone, really. You tell them what you think, when you think it, how you think it, and what they can do if they think otherwise. It is very rare to find someone as brave as you who can keep her wits about her at the end of the day and still say they are happy with who they are.

[Lifeguard Sleeping]

> 2. She is a woman. And women are historically more empassioned
> with estrogen...you never know what her emotional quotient is...

It's reasoning such as THIS that supports some people's assumptions that women could/should never be president.

[Lifeguard Sleeping]

> As to Morrissey, I love the man's music and what he stands for,
> but not blindly. After all these years, I cannot help but have
> formed an opinion about him. I think he has often been
> conflicted about his sexuality. He craves success and celebrity,
> but also fears failure so that he often sabotages himself. He's
> charismatic, but he's not very good at maintaining
> relationships. He has streak of jealousy. He often deals poorly
> with people around him - not because he is cruel, but because he
> is @#!!! ty at interpersonal communication. He likes
> sycophants.

VERY well-put.

Of course, this is all speculation, but I think it comes pretty darned close.

> Sometimes I was happier in my fandom when it was just me and the
> songs and not all this peripheral crap.

Oh, saaaaaaaaaame here.

Regarding all this hullaballoo about the DVD, I'd personally like to hear a rebuttal from Morrissey, addressing the verbal agreement, the twice-ignored DVD that was sent to him, and the extent of his business association with J Barry, especially with regard to Barry's "all-access" status on the tour.

[Laura]

> It's reasoning such as THIS that supports some people's
> assumptions that women could/should never be president.

I would have put that if they had responded to some of the negative comments that it was because men are historically known to operate their emotions through testosterone...which tends to lead to anger and HATE as opposed to passion and intensity...

Which means that the assumption for a man being the president are the same...unfortunately this country (the USA) has always been run by a man, so we would never know how good a passionate soul would be for us, or wouldn't be, now would we?...

So, just because I left out the reasoning as far as a man goes (pardon my waning attentiveness- I am tired today), doesn't mean I think a man would have acted differently, if the same had been the case. It just wasn't in my mindset to make sure I include EVERYONE in my opinion of the matter...I just was addressing who it ACTUALLY had taken place with; which is a woman. Hence my observations as such.

Geeze, I'm gonna have to go to bed at 8 p.m. to recover from this full day! (And NOOO, don't assume this is all I have been doing today. I know it seems that way, but I am moving, and have a little time on my hands right now.)

Laura

[Cili]

> I don't think so, I think he knows exactly what she is doing
> here..... I don't agree with Cili's bashing of her, however I
> don't agree a 100% with Wendy Wu either. Like I said, the truth
> probably lies in the middle.

This is the most sensible reasoning, but I do feel that Wendy is absurdly arbitrary and overly harsh in who she chooses to support and condemn. If you go back and read her messages, it's not difficult to feel revolted by not only her hypocrisy but her outrageous opprobrium as well.

What I feel most offended by is not any of the professional rubbish. That's frankly not my concern. How could it be when I'm not involved on any personal or professional level? What I don't like is the way, all things concerned, Morrissey's fans are being treated like crap for totally normal human behaviour. In general, Morrissey's fans have proven to be extremely loyal, and it's terrible that some ostensibly out of control wack-job close friend comes to his biggest fan page only to call his fans every offensive name between here and the moon.

I think a sensible person should understand that one can barely influence, much less control the public. That's why they're called the public and not friends. That's why PR people have jobs. If it's so painful to read their opinions, then stay away. This website, while being devoted to Morrissey, is NOT for Morrissey. He benefits from its existence, but Morrissey-solo is created by a fan for fans. It's just ludicrous that someone would come around and say the things Wendy's said, friend or not. You've got to be smarter than that. As an admitted close friend of Morrissey's, you've got to be careful about how you present yourself because you become a reflection of the man himself through your behaviour when you're talking to fans so directly.

> I guess you two underestimate the fact that most of the posts
> here recently are nowhere near constructive critisism or just
> personal complaints, they're simply unreasonably hateful

I think a fan has a right to feel whatever he or she feels. Constructive criticism is hardly even a viable suggestion since it's not like Morrissey comes to this website looking for professional advice. I'd call even unruly anger a personal complaint, as we all have our own ways of expressing anger. It's the jobs of Morrissey's people to take it all in and try to understand what it all means in a general sense. I think it's pretty clear that some of his fans are pretty angry, and the "unreasonably hateful" messages are a big part of that holistic sentiment. It's ugly, but it's just part of the realities of dealig with the public. You've got to take it in stride, or turn away from it. Either way, it's always going to be there. To come in and start calling people f*cking idiots is stupid.

> plus
> anonymously posted (thus those people ARE cowards)....all in all
> very inappropriate for fans, angry or not.

Mimi, but you've got to understand that no matter what, we're all basically anonymous. Just because Bertrand posts under "Bertrand," or I post under "Cili Barnes," that doesn't mean these names are our names. No matter what, we are all anonymous, whether we post under "Anonymous" or not. Such is the nature of the internet. If I were to post bitchy messages over and over again, if "Cili Barnes" were to be known as a bitch, what would I care? That's not my real name. Even if my last name actually were Barnes, what would I care? I don't think I know anyone here personally, so I might as well be anonymous. If anonymity were a symptom of being a coward, then we're all cowards by the nature of the internet. I don't think this should be an issue, so long as the emotions are genuine.

Cili.

[Cili]

> Do I sense a strike of jealousy in some responses to Wendy's
> passionate words?

I knew this issue would be brought up eventually. I know how easy it is to immediately call any dissenting voice a jealous one in this situation, and really, there's no point in arguing. I can only say that it's totally not true, at least in my case, and I can only ask that you believe me. I almost want to tell you what I do in order to prove that my life is not exactly the average fan's life, and that I hardly have an emotional need to be Morrissey's friend. To be honest, I rather enjoy liking Morrissey from a distance, because whenever I catch glimpses of the real man like I am now, it can be so disheartening.

> So she has chosen some biting insults and
> condescending sounding tones- I have heard NOTHING less from
> anyone here. And she was defending someone she loves is all!

Come on Laura. Wendy's messages have been thoroughly revolting, and now you're blindly defending her intentions while choosing to ignore the ways by which she went about things. I'm sorry, but good intentions alone are not a panacea. Let's remember that if good intentions alone extirpated culpability, then no one is guilty of anything. I wonder if Wendy would be defended so vehemently if she were just another seemingly truckling fan--which is actually the way I see her to be honest.

> 2. She is a woman. And women are historically more empassioned
> with estrogen...

I actually don't want to fly off on such a wild tangent, but I think in regards to Wendy's messages, testosterone would be a better hormone to focus on. By the way, men are historically more impassioned then women, and as a woman I feel deeply offended by your statement. Any cultural anthropology class would shed you of this stereotypical ideology.

> WE all have moments when we
> are less eloquent with what we meant to say, even if it WAS in
> our best interest to stay as calm as possible. Sometimes it just
> isn't possible to be as such.

Come on Laura, this is getting ridiculous. Wendy's exhibited an extremely consistent pattern of ludicrous messages on this website. If it were just one or two messages, I think everyone would be much more understanding. If you search her name, every message is about as ugly as any genuine ugliness this site has seen, at least in the time I've been here.

> She writes
> infrequently, and as such when she does it is when she has found
> herself so frustrated and let down by what the public has said
> about their object of so called admiration,

It's not so called. It is. But admiration, like everything, has limits. Besides, it wasn't an enourmous chorus of fans lashing out at Morrissey. Out of all his fans, how many do you think actually bitched about the DVD? Over three and half million computers have hit this website. How many would you say complained bitterly about the DVD issue? And isn't it understandable, even if it was a little over the top at times?

> and her FRIEND,

This is what's really been irritating me. Unless you've had famous close friends, it's not easy to understand the nature of a friendship like this. No non-celebrity friend would back off of a friendship for PR reasons.

Most celebrities have public identities, whether they like it or not, and it's very bad business to disrupt these identities because it causes the fans to lose their grip on who they think they're admiring. What Wendy did was stupid on a lot of levels.

> And I hope this ends soon, and that you continue to feel the
> need to defend your friend for as long as it is necessary.

I'm a little disappointed in this message. Really. I was just telling a friend, I see so much abject toady behaviour, I try to take it and understand it but I find it intolerable most of the time. I can understand why you're defending Wendy like you have been for a while now, but really there aren't many redeeming qualities that exactly shine through in her messages. If you're going to rally like this, I think you should do it a little more quietly Laura, because even Wendy's got to feel a little strange about it. Then again, who knows?

You know, the only person that I really feel for in this situation is David Tseng. If the fans are feeling conflicted towards Morrissey right now, imagine how David must feel. Every day he has to work on a website devoted to a man that may be giving him a hard time. How would a person feel about that? I'm talking about David on a genuine, human level. If a fan feels fed up, he or she can just not log on for a while. David has to suck it all up because he runs this site himself. If I'm going to blindly defend anyone, it's David. At this point I'm not caring very much about Morrissey's feelings or Wendy Wu's.

Cili.

[Cili]

I just watched Austin Powers the other night and I can't get that word out of my head. It makes me want to have sex just so I can talk about mojo. [Laughs]

In all seriousness, David deserves the bravo's. Bravo David!