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    Default Kele Okereke and Patrick Wolf criticise Moz's Canadian boycott.

    I'm moving house at the moment, and as a result of that, came across a batch of NMEs from last year. Being the chronic procrastinator that I am, I thought I'd have a read of some of them and see if there was anything interesting that I might want to keep. In an issue from December 2006 I found some comments made during an interview with Kele Okereke of Bloc Party (a self-confessed Moz-fan) and Patrick Wolf (that weirdo with the orange hair.) I checked to see if anyone had posted them on here but apparently not, so...

    NME: "You're both sensitive boys, so let's talk about Morrissey and his boycott of Canada."

    PW: "I have friends in Canada and they just thought he was very stupid. Some vegans see themselves as so civilised, living in a world where we can afford to eat vegetables all the time, but with the Innuit people, their lives depend on clubbing seals...I know how to kill animals, I was taught on a farm, and there are parts of society that are still like that, so for Morrissey to go in and be extremely civilised is very arrogant of him."

    KO: "That's the problem with Morrissey. Everything I've read about his character recently has confirmed that he's quite a bitter person. People in Britain have so much respect and love for him, so why can he not at least appreciate that? I think he was a great lyricist but it sickens me a bit to read about what he purports to believe because he's not really living in the real world, is he?"

    PO: "I think it's fine not living in the real world as long as you don't attack the real world for being real."


    Some interesting points raised there, not all of which are unfair. I think there are times when Morrissey is very disconnected from reality, in fact probably most of his life. This is what makes him a great musician and poet, but not so great a social commentator.

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    The whole idea that the innuits traditional way of life is based on clubbing seals for the international market is a bit illogical isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coiffeur_En_Flame View Post
    PO: "I think it's fine not living in the real world as long as you don't attack the real world for being real."
    That’s one of the most absurd remarks I have ever read. I think its ok making comments like that as long as you don't criticize comments like that for being comments.

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    uugh they're such idiots.
    i can't wait to leave Canada.
    every time a person has progressive ideas, they tell them they are disillusioned and not living in the "real" world.
    if a tradition inflicts pain, then that tradition should be changed. you can't use it as an excuse to practice barbarric rituals. and besides, do the Inuit need 350 000 seals each year? because that sounds more like commerce rather than basic survival technique.

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    Also, while I don't feel like looking for earlier threads, when we discussed this previously, it turns out that the Innuit are sort of a shill. International corporations slaughter far more than the natives, but the natives are used to support the old "You care more about animals than you do about people" argument.

    This idea about posting old NME articles is a good one though. I hear Morrissey is leaving Los Angeles to move to Rome?

    I'm joking, Coiffeur_En_Flame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pandora_cocteau View Post
    uugh they're such idiots.
    i can't wait to leave Canada.
    every time a person has progressive ideas, they tell them they are disillusioned and not living in the "real" world.
    if a tradition inflicts pain, then that tradition should be changed. you can't use it as an excuse to practice barbarric rituals. and besides, do the Inuit need 350 000 seals each year? because that sounds more like commerce rather than basic survival technique.
    I love your post.

    You're welcome to move here to our wonderful country anytime you want

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAnn Coulter View Post
    I love your post.

    You're welcome to move here to our wonderful country anytime you want
    I loved LA. So sunny, so uplifting. I like the idea of New York...that's about the two places in the US that I'd like to live in. However, there are no places in Canada I want to call my permanent home, and only a handfull of European cities where I can see myself thriving. Do you still live in weho?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pandora_cocteau View Post
    I loved LA. So sunny, so uplifting. I like the idea of New York...that's about the two places in the US that I'd like to live in. However, there are no places in Canada I want to call my permanent home, and only a handfull of European cities where I can see myself thriving. Do you still live in weho?
    Do not, under any circumstances, move to London! Unless you want every last drop of creative or individual thought sapped from you like a dying tree. Seriously, that's how bad it is now. I recommend Paris and Naples.

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    NME: "You're both sensitive boys, so let's talk about Morrissey and his boycott of Canada."
    LMAO

    ..."so for Morrissey to go in and be extremely civilised is very arrogant of him."

    PO: "I think it's fine not living in the real world as long as you don't attack the real world for being real."
    ROTFL

    All three of them are really good comedians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coiffeur_En_Flame View Post
    Do not, under any circumstances, move to London! Unless you want every last drop of creative or individual thought sapped from you like a dying tree. Seriously, that's how bad it is now. I recommend Paris and Naples.

    Coiff.
    I agree about London...I've been in the city for less than a day yet for some reason, it did not captivate me. I've had enough of dreary, dull places such as where I currently live.
    Italy has always been at the top of my list, as well as France (cote d'azur or Paris)...I lived in Stockholm before, and dislike Scandinavia because it is way to flawless for me...it is sterile in a way which makes it eerie more than anything. Have you ever been to Montenegro? I adore it there. It is absolutely beautiful. Serbia as well. But I guess the dire situations of some people make it very difficult to live there and not feel guilty for being more priviledged. Especially the nasty way that the authorities on the Balkans treat animals! So inhumane!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    This idea about posting old NME articles is a good one though. I hear Morrissey is leaving Los Angeles to move to Rome?
    Brilliant

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    Twenty three years here has never done me any harm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pandora_cocteau View Post
    I agree about London...I've been in the city for less than a day yet for some reason, it did not captivate me. I've had enough of dreary, dull places such as where I currently live.
    Italy has always been at the top of my list, as well as France (cote d'azur or Paris)...I lived in Stockholm before, and dislike Scandinavia because it is way to flawless for me...it is sterile in a way which makes it eerie more than anything. Have you ever been to Montenegro? I adore it there. It is absolutely beautiful. Serbia as well. But I guess the dire situations of some people make it very difficult to live there and not feel guilty for being more priviledged. Especially the nasty way that the authorities on the Balkans treat animals! So inhumane!
    A lot of people I speak to who've come here from abroad say exactly the same thing - it's hyped as one of the world's greatest cities, and yet there's this undercurrent of despair. Maybe it's just society in general, but having spent all 17 of my years here I can't wait to break free of these "slate-grey Victorian skies." No, I haven't been to Montenegro, in fact I've never been to any eastern European countries but they've always intrigued me. I have an Albanian friend who often goes back to visit his family, and life seems no different to about 300 years ago, which seems very attractive to me right now!

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    whoa now! Patrick Wolf is hardly just a "weirdo with orange hair".. he is in fact one of the few, maybe even the only really original and interesting songwriter and performer of my generation. i think his music is unique and fresh without being obscure.. all his three albums are amazing and he´s only 23!

    besides, he recently posted an entry in his diary when he was touring the states and wrote:

    "My band fly home to London and I will stay in Los Angeles to recharge and continue the promotion of the magic position here. I have never been to a city where you can tell so much that earthquakes are living underneath the tarmac.. I was hearing all kinds of voices in my hotel room, I stayed on Hollywood, and a big picture of Le Morrissey was on the sunset boulevard, It was so comforting, like having buckingham palace in the centre of London, I slapped my 16 year old self for being a snob about this man. Like the first time I tasted wandsworth youngs ale and complained about it being flat and warm."

    i thought that was sweet..

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    PO: "I think it's fine not living in the real world as long as you don't attack the real world for being real."

    I think this is a fine centiment and we could all learn from it.

    Live your life your way but dont critisize other who are living their lives their way (Unlesss it includes clubbing seals, of course)

    I agree that it has become commercialised and they are using the traditions of the Inuit to "disguise" that. Very bad. A bit like the fox huntin ban here in the UK - it was traditionaly the best way to kull foxes, as they weed out the older and weaker ones, the youger fitter ones usually got away. But they used this as an excuse for continuing their sport of hunting.

    Just a thought, do you think Seal goes clubbing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coiffeur_En_Flame View Post
    A lot of people I speak to who've come here from abroad say exactly the same thing - it's hyped as one of the world's greatest cities, and yet there's this undercurrent of despair. Maybe it's just society in general, but having spent all 17 of my years here I can't wait to break free of these "slate-grey Victorian skies." No, I haven't been to Montenegro, in fact I've never been to any eastern European countries but they've always intrigued me. I have an Albanian friend who often goes back to visit his family, and life seems no different to about 300 years ago, which seems very attractive to me right now!

    Coiff.
    It's a very subjective matter. I've been in London for a week and I loved it, the weather, the architecture, everything.
    I think we all look for something we have not. I lived in Croatia and Italy (where I still live), both sunny places, but the latter annoys me incredibly. If you are considering to move in Italy, mind that the summer here is awfully hot.
    I would like to move to England, which seems the right place for me and my mood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sore_lips View Post
    whoa now! Patrick Wolf is hardly just a "weirdo with orange hair".. he is in fact one of the few, maybe even the only really original and interesting songwriter and performer of my generation. i think his music is unique and fresh without being obscure.. all his three albums are amazing and he´s only 23!
    blaaah....blaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!! we belong to the blank generation, there's no way around it...and patrick wolf cannot change that, nor has he ever even come close to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by pandora_cocteau View Post
    I agree about London...I've been in the city for less than a day yet for some reason, it did not captivate me. I've had enough of dreary, dull places such as where I currently live.
    Italy has always been at the top of my list, as well as France (cote d'azur or Paris)...I lived in Stockholm before, and dislike Scandinavia because it is way to flawless for me...it is sterile in a way which makes it eerie more than anything. Have you ever been to Montenegro? I adore it there. It is absolutely beautiful. Serbia as well. But I guess the dire situations of some people make it very difficult to live there and not feel guilty for being more priviledged. Especially the nasty way that the authorities on the Balkans treat animals! So inhumane!
    <off-topic>

    You will be glad to know that the new law has been passed this year in Serbia, they've finally made it illegal to torture or kill animals (obviously, this does not apply to killing them for meat etc.) and it carries a jail sentence. Two sentences have been passed in the last few months. It's a very big step, especially considering that animal rights traditionally weren't being paid much attention to (and human rights really aren't that wonderfully protected yet either let alone animal rights).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bassist-In-A-Tutu View Post
    PO: "I think it's fine not living in the real world as long as you don't attack the real world for being real."

    I think this is a fine centiment and we could all learn from it.

    Live your life your way but dont critisize other who are living their lives their way (Unlesss it includes clubbing seals, of course)
    Live your life and don't criticize others for clubbing seals... or torturing cats and dogs... or beating up their wives and /or children, or beating up people in the street because they're gay or or you don't like the way they look, or burning down churches/mosques or destroying graves because they belong to people of different religion, or beating up/killing people because they're of different ethnicity? It's all real life, you know! You could apply that to just about everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightandday View Post
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    You will be glad to know that the new law has been passed this year in Serbia, they've finally made it illegal to torture or kill animals (obviously, this does not apply to killing them for meat etc.) and it carries a jail sentence. Two sentences have been passed in the last few months. It's a very big step, especially considering that animal rights traditionally weren't being paid much attention to (and human rights really aren't that wonderfully protected yet either let alone animal rights).
    yeah i heard! i work very closely with a humane society from Nis. I am appauled though at the way that the authorities are treating stray dogs though...it is disgusting. you're from belgrade right??? the stray dog situation doesn't seem much better over there either. i'd suggest donating money to those self-run no-kill shelters...they're all such amazing people...and it seems that the majority in serbia regards them as lunatics for wanting to save animals...truly sad!!!!

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