The Morrissey Smiths Disco is this Friday

[anotherordinaryboy]

Apart from the fact that you sound like a kid, you really should learn that one day you may find yourself stood waiting to get in.

And I'm sorry, but i don't care if you work at the venue, run the venue, own the venue or are Morrissey himself - there is no need to be so patronising. Yet aanother example of the 'old guard' of this web site getting nasty with the younger ones. tut tut

[Sister_Steve]

Yeah and if Kro bar did a Smith's night then I'd be there like a shot, but it's not really an alternative is it? I've been preparing myself for the ban for months but I've always thought that I would be allowed to stand outside for a quick fag.

And thanks for your concern Deano, but I'm 21 years old and no matter how much alcohol I consume I trust myself to stand on a pavement and have a cigarette without getting run over That's more likely when it's the end of the night and I'm trying to get home but I'm never so drunk I don't know what I'm doing..which goes back to my original idea, why don't we ban alcohol aswell because then we wouldn't get drunken people getting run over! Yes I think that would be a great plan.

[mbb321]

The problem is that the Star and Garter hasn't got the best layout for this situation. You have one fire exit upstairs near the back bar that people would just block to have a quick tab. Then you have the main door that leads onto the street. Yes, people could go for a smoke around the back but with what happens around that part of town and it not being amazingly lit, that's a bit of an arse as well. I'm sure the S & G would warn people but if the worst happened i would think the blame would be fired at the venue in the majority.

Also, the venue hasn't got much money to renovate the smallest things in or around the venue. The pissers got done up a year and a half ago but that's the only change i have seen other than a new flooring being put down upstairs that consists of MDF panelling or whatever (i'm not a builder ), and that's nearly 8 years of going to the place.

The only way i can see something being built is a Bet Gilroy Appreciation Soceity collection or beer prices going up.

[mbb321]

Yeah and if Kro bar did a Smith's night then I'd be there like a shot, but it's not really an alternative is it?

What about Overdraught then? Again, similar situation as the place only has one door. All depends how arsed the bouncers can be and each venue will have its own policies. The S & G has theres and i think it's built around being safety conscious more than anything else.

I can see 5th Ave and 42s having great fun with this with their layouts, and the bouncers won't take any shit down these places.

[anotherordinaryboy]

A venue that charges relatively £4-5 entry can't afford a light round the back. I appreciate what your saying mate, but let's be serious - some effort would be better than none at all!

[Sister_Steve]

I'm bored of this now. I'm sick of arguing about it, there's no point. I didn't expect them to build an outdoor heated smoking shelter or anything, but I thought they would at least let us out the front door.
I just don't know what I'm going to do though because I just don't think I could last a whole night without smoking, especially only 5 days into the ban when I haven't got used to it. I guess I'll have to get some nicotine patches If I decide it's worth it.

[Sister_Steve]

I appreciate what your saying mate, but let's be serious - some effort would be better than none at all!

Thank you.

I know that it would be difficult for them to build any other kind of place to smoke, most other clubs and pubs are making some effort to do something. But the S&G seem to be just saying they don't give a shit about a large amount of their customers and just saying "well fuck you, you can like it or lump it" because they know that they will get the customers whatever. It's a lovely feeling knowing you are so valued as a customer.

[mbb321]

A venue that charges relatively £4-5 entry can't afford a light round the back. I appreciate what your saying mate, but let's be serious - some effort would be better than none at all!

Aye, but then comes the security camera if you are regularly getting a build up of people there. Then there 'may' be a legal responsibility for a member of staff to cover that area, or to be a certain distance from the area, ect etc.

If you take the receipts from the door (£4 lowest entry), with its 200 capacity, that's £800 if full. It costs the DJ £150 to book the night, then you have to pay for bar staff, door staff and all the things that go with running a pub. It doesn't leave a lot to do much, but that doesn't mean that this won't change in the future.

I've got fuck all experience of running a pub but the people that run the S & G week in/week out have been doing so for around 14 years if not more. So i reckon they know what they are doing, if it was as simple as putting up a smoke shelter then they would have done it, but it mustn't be like A/B/C. As i say, they may have a look how things are going and in 6 months will look back on this thread as a complete waste of time as some way has been figured out.

[anotherordinaryboy]

I do get where ur coming from mate, but it seems that not trying to arrange something is just the easy option, and not the fair or right option. Hell, i dont smoke, i dont care, just think it's a bit daft

[Sister_Steve]

What about Overdraught then? Again, similar situation as the place only has one door. All depends how arsed the bouncers can be and each venue will have its own policies. The S & G has theres and i think it's built around being safety conscious more than anything else.

I can see 5th Ave and 42s having great fun with this with their layouts, and the bouncers won't take any shit down these places.

You were allowed in and out of Overdraught weren't you? It was bigger so there was never a one in one out policy, plus Paul is alot nicer and so I'm sure he wouldn't refuse his favourite girls out for a quick fag. I might just stick to that night then.

[mbb321]

[Ben Budd]

[Sister_Steve]

How clever and funny of you too together, I can't believe you managed to come up with something so imaginative!

[mbb321]

Artists impression around the back of the S & G next month...

[Sister_Steve]

What will YOU do when the ban comes in Deano?

I wish you wouldn't smoke in my fucking face all the time.

*EVIDENCE*

[mbb321]

I'm a social smoker, you know, one of those that every regular smoker hates as i tax ciggies off you for no reason really. I will just stop and take along my chocolate cigarettes from the 'Why Don't You' night

You had a tab in your right hand but it wasn't caught. I can't be arsed trawling through your facebook photos to find the best one at this time, SOME of us have to WORK tomorrow!!!

[S&G]

And I'm sorry, but i don't care if you work at the venue, run the venue, own the venue or are Morrissey himself - there is no need to be so patronising. Yet aanother example of the 'old guard' of this web site getting nasty with the younger ones. tut tut

What are you sorry for? How else would you describe someone who calls people in a queue "clowns" for "arriving late, unlike us" especially when it comes from someone who we've warned about writing "Meat Is Murder" on a toilet wall. They're hardly the actions of a grown-up, are they?

The Smiths Night is promoted, and always has been, by somebody who hires the Star&Garter so the money taken at the door is not ours to "reinvest".

As far as building a shelter outside is concerned there are a few points as to why it can't happen;

As a listed building we would be forbidden to knock a hole in the wall and create access to one, or to attach one to the exterior of the building.

The prostitutes, pimps and kerb crawlers would use it as a changing room, needle exchange and public convenience.

We don't have a brewery behind us to pay for it anyway - and there are far more important things we have to throw what little money we have at before pandering to the needs of people who are practically suicidal because they have to, God forbid, go without a cigarette for a few hours.

The reason we decided to stop people leaving the building for a cigarette when there's a queue outside and then allowing them back in is because, and everybody seems to have conveniently forgotten this bit, if you get ten drunk people stood outside in the cold all pissed off that they're having to wait then those ten people will, without question, turn on the smug f*cker who is taking a break for a quick cig while a song they don't particularly like is played. Talk about rubbing their noses in it. Until any of you have experienced the kind of rabid abuse we have had on occasion from people (male or female, young or old) who truly believe it is their God given right not to queue outside then you'll never understand why, in the long run, it's a far more practical and safe solution for all concerned to stop it altogether.

Accept it - you will not die or go mad if you wait to have a cigarette. In fact, you'll enjoy the cigarette you do have when you leave for the night because you'll have had to wait for it. You decided to take up smoking, we didn't do it on your behalf.

Finally, we registered to this site at the end of last year - that hardly makes us "old guard". We also don't have anything against "the younger ones", despite what they obviously think. We've just, like every other venue, had to plan how we're going to deal with the law change and we'll stand by our decision regardless of who does or doesn't agree.

[S&G]

Until any of you have experienced the kind of rabid abuse we have had on occasion from people (male or female, young or old) who truly believe it is their God given right not to queue outside then you'll never understand why, in the long run, it's a far more practical and safe solution for all concerned to stop it altogether.

For anyone who thinks we're making that bit up, here is a link to a list of edited-for-television comments made at the door at past Morrissey Smiths Nights. We did not make any of them up. Now try and argue that people who say stuff like this: http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=67887 aren't going to kick off with someone stood having a cig.

"Sister Steve", you said policing the smokers would "give us something to do". We already have enough to do stopping friends of yours writing on toilet walls, thanks

[Uncle Liam]

What are you sorry for? How else would you describe someone who calls people in a queue "clowns" for "arriving late, unlike us" especially when it comes from someone who we've warned about writing "Meat Is Murder" on a toilet wall. They're hardly the actions of a grown-up, are they?

The Smiths Night is promoted, and always has been, by somebody who hires the Star&Garter so the money taken at the door is not ours to "reinvest".

As far as building a shelter outside is concerned there are a few points as to why it can't happen;

As a listed building we would be forbidden to knock a hole in the wall and create access to one, or to attach one to the exterior of the building.

The prostitutes, pimps and kerb crawlers would use it as a changing room, needle exchange and public convenience.

We don't have a brewery behind us to pay for it anyway - and there are far more important things we have to throw what little money we have at before pandering to the needs of people who are practically suicidal because they have to, God forbid, go without a cigarette for a few hours.

The reason we decided to stop people leaving the building for a cigarette when there's a queue outside and then allowing them back in is because, and everybody seems to have conveniently forgotten this bit, if you get ten drunk people stood outside in the cold all pissed off that they're having to wait then those ten people will, without question, turn on the smug f*cker who is taking a break for a quick cig while a song they don't particularly like is played. Talk about rubbing their noses in it. Until any of you have experienced the kind of rabid abuse we have had on occasion from people (male or female, young or old) who truly believe it is their God given right not to queue outside then you'll never understand why, in the long run, it's a far more practical and safe solution for all concerned to stop it altogether.

Accept it - you will not die or go mad if you wait to have a cigarette. In fact, you'll enjoy the cigarette you do have when you leave for the night because you'll have had to wait for it. You decided to take up smoking, we didn't do it on your behalf.

Finally, we registered to this site at the end of last year - that hardly makes us "old guard". We also don't have anything against "the younger ones", despite what they obviously think. We've just, like every other venue, had to plan how we're going to deal with the law change and we'll stand by our decision regardless of who does or doesn't agree.

Non pro wrestling, Genesis, lower league football related post of the year.

[lilybett]

[[I changed my mind.]]

But whoever "we" is, they've never said a word to me about graffiti on the toilet walls? I don't know what you're talking about.