Blondie: the No Doubt of their day?

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suzanne

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I recently acquired the Best Of CD for this band, and didn't realize how much I liked the band...when I was too young to understand who the hell they were.

Nevermind, it's still fun. I love the Tide is High and all of that. It's odd when a band that was out in the late 70's sounds less dated than the hair metal bands that became the next trend just a few years later.

Now, you may wonder what leads me to my conclusion of Blondie being like No Doubt. No, this is not the obvious shake and bake recipe of blond chick fronting a band. What concerns me more is what they were spawned out of.

To be fair, Green Day can be counted in this group.

Like the Talking Heads, Blondie was part of the whole CBGB group of punk rock, and it's spawn, new wave. As good as these bands were, they were obviously culled out from the pack by big record labels to make pop albums and accessible and non-threatening records for the masses. I remember something on TV talking about how the guy who discovered them saw the lead singer and thought she had star potential.

That's the first rule of culling out your pack: find the "star potential."

Of course, there is the usual nuttiness of finding amongst those bands the ones with the hooky songs. And amongst those, the ones that aren't too political or offensive.

They may have played nothing but punk, ska, or whatever genre they were originally before their first album...but like with Hair Metal, they find out they have to branch out a bit to gain that universal appeal: power ballads. Here is Green Day playing it's 2nd rate knockoff of the Sex Pistols: apolitical suburban boy angst one minute, by the 2nd album, we now have an acoustic ballad. One of the silliest things I've ever seen is Billy Joe Shaver himself, in his zippered sweat top and bleach blond hair, going on the tonight show, solo with an acoustic guitar, and singing "I hope you had the time of your life."

But this ballad was not the first release from their 2nd album....it might have been from their 3rd. I can't remember. But that one song, completely different in nature than the rest of their work, kept their 15 minutes going a little bit longer. Like the powerballad powerhouses of Firehouse and such, they went from getting the metal thrashers sucked in, who got bored of them and went on somewhere else, to getting the Homecoming Dance crowd of 15 year olds, falling prey to the wiles of their hormones, to proclaim "Love of a Lifetime" as their "couple" song.

But there is one slight difference of Blondie vs No Doubt and Green Day. Blondie actually has some good songs....but I am biased in that assesment. No Doubt had a few decent ones, but upon hearing the entire CD as thrust upon me unfortunatly one night....ugh. But you know what I mean: new wave that is new wave but not really. Ska that is ska, but not really ska....
 
rip her to shreds!

I remember something on TV talking about
> how the guy who discovered them saw the lead singer and thought
> she had star potential.

debbie harry and chris stein were pretty aware of that before any A&R man came into the picture.
for more info, please read andy's diary

> But there is one slight difference of Blondie vs No Doubt and
> Green Day. Blondie actually has some good songs....but I am
> biased in that assesment. No Doubt had a few decent ones, but
> upon hearing the entire CD as thrust upon me unfortunatly one
> night....ugh. But you know what I mean: new wave that is new
> wave but not really. Ska that is ska, but not really ska....

there is one big difference between blondie vs no doubt and green day: blondie were talentuous, smart, gifted and sexy. green day et al are just boring
they had great songs, great singles, and quite good albums as well (listen to any of the album released, except 'the hunter' which was released when the band was defunct).
they were fun, articulate and somehow very subversive
 
Dreaming......

80P

What a classic

> I remember something on TV talking about

> debbie harry and chris stein were pretty aware of that before
> any A&R man came into the picture.
> for more info, please read andy's diary

> there is one big difference between blondie vs no doubt and
> green day: blondie were talentuous, smart, gifted and sexy.
> green day et al are just boring
> they had great songs, great singles, and quite good albums as
> well (listen to any of the album released, except 'the hunter'
> which was released when the band was defunct).
> they were fun, articulate and somehow very subversive
 
Fade Away and Radiate..

Yes.. Blondie were the darlings, the pretty faces of the new wave/punk scene in the eighties for sure. One of the few American bands to break into that over here.

Your dissetation is fairly accurate.. No-one can afford to have the attitude nowadays.. it may alienate your money making audience..

However Suzanne.. with respect 'The Tide Is High' is their most awful moment (alongside insipid pop anthem 'Sunday Girl')! Check out the more obsucre album tracks (11:59) for the real gems..

..And the 'No Doubt' comparison leaves me a little cold to be honest. Blondie had a good few years of consistency.. 'No Doubt' have been and gone and had their day on two decent songs already.. (But I don't know their full canon, I admit)

Green Day: We've seen it all before. Dull and disinteresting. Best U.S. rock band ever with attitude were without doubt 'The Pixies'.. That is the benchmark!
 
there's no doubt---blondie's better

> I recently acquired the Best Of CD for this band, and didn't
> realize how much I liked the band...when I was too young to
> understand who the hell they were.

try parallel lines also, you might like it.

> That's the first rule of culling out your pack: find the
> "star potential."

yup, debbie always had "the face."

> They may have played nothing but punk, ska, or whatever genre
> they were originally before their first album...but like with
> Hair Metal, they find out they have to branch out a bit to gain
> that universal appeal: power ballads. Here is Green Day playing
> it's 2nd rate knockoff of the Sex Pistols: apolitical suburban
> boy angst one minute, by the 2nd album, we now have an acoustic
> ballad. One of the silliest things I've ever seen is Billy Joe
> Shaver himself, in his zippered sweat top and bleach blond hair,
> going on the tonight show, solo with an acoustic guitar, and
> singing "I hope you had the time of your life."

i never thought green day was a sex pistols knockoff; they remind me more of the buzzcocks...

> But there is one slight difference of Blondie vs No Doubt and
> Green Day. Blondie actually has some good songs....but I am
> biased in that assesment. No Doubt had a few decent ones, but
> upon hearing the entire CD as thrust upon me unfortunatly one
> night....ugh. But you know what I mean: new wave that is new
> wave but not really. Ska that is ska, but not really ska....

in my opinion gwen stefani has the better voice, but blondie has the memorable songs:

i'm always touched by your presence, dear
sunday girl (in french!)
dreaming
will anything happen
picture this
in the flesh

and who can resist "attack of the giant ants"?
 
Re: Top Blondie tracks

Amazingly consistent from their frist album up to Automerican, the album after that is not nearly as good, can't remember what it's called of hand.

Anyway I particularly like '11.59' and 'Will anything happen' of the Parellel Lines album, still got my Debbie Harry poster at home though it ain't on my wall anymore.

> I recently acquired the Best Of CD for this band, and didn't
> realize how much I liked the band...when I was too young to
> understand who the hell they were.

> Nevermind, it's still fun. I love the Tide is High and all of
> that. It's odd when a band that was out in the late 70's sounds
> less dated than the hair metal bands that became the next trend
> just a few years later.

> Now, you may wonder what leads me to my conclusion of Blondie
> being like No Doubt. No, this is not the obvious shake and bake
> recipe of blond chick fronting a band. What concerns me more is
> what they were spawned out of.

> To be fair, Green Day can be counted in this group.

> Like the Talking Heads, Blondie was part of the whole CBGB group
> of punk rock, and it's spawn, new wave. As good as these bands
> were, they were obviously culled out from the pack by big record
> labels to make pop albums and accessible and non-threatening
> records for the masses. I remember something on TV talking about
> how the guy who discovered them saw the lead singer and thought
> she had star potential.

> That's the first rule of culling out your pack: find the
> "star potential."

> Of course, there is the usual nuttiness of finding amongst those
> bands the ones with the hooky songs. And amongst those, the ones
> that aren't too political or offensive.

> They may have played nothing but punk, ska, or whatever genre
> they were originally before their first album...but like with
> Hair Metal, they find out they have to branch out a bit to gain
> that universal appeal: power ballads. Here is Green Day playing
> it's 2nd rate knockoff of the Sex Pistols: apolitical suburban
> boy angst one minute, by the 2nd album, we now have an acoustic
> ballad. One of the silliest things I've ever seen is Billy Joe
> Shaver himself, in his zippered sweat top and bleach blond hair,
> going on the tonight show, solo with an acoustic guitar, and
> singing "I hope you had the time of your life."

> But this ballad was not the first release from their 2nd
> album....it might have been from their 3rd. I can't remember.
> But that one song, completely different in nature than the rest
> of their work, kept their 15 minutes going a little bit longer.
> Like the powerballad powerhouses of Firehouse and such, they
> went from getting the metal thrashers sucked in, who got bored
> of them and went on somewhere else, to getting the Homecoming
> Dance crowd of 15 year olds, falling prey to the wiles of their
> hormones, to proclaim "Love of a Lifetime" as their
> "couple" song.

> But there is one slight difference of Blondie vs No Doubt and
> Green Day. Blondie actually has some good songs....but I am
> biased in that assesment. No Doubt had a few decent ones, but
> upon hearing the entire CD as thrust upon me unfortunatly one
> night....ugh. But you know what I mean: new wave that is new
> wave but not really. Ska that is ska, but not really ska....
 
Heart of Glass

"Heart of Glass" was originally a slow Reggae song that the producers decided to speed up and add a disco beat to...

I've loved Blondie since that song first came on the radio in 1978 and I was convinced it was the Bee Gees (my fave band at that time- I forced my parents to buy me the "Saturday Night Fever" 8 -track tape- even though I wasn't allowed to see the movie until I was much older)

ahhhh, the memories... my future wife will probably be a Debbie Harry wannabe ;^)
 
Re: Heart of Glass

> "Heart of Glass" was originally a slow Reggae song
> that the producers decided to speed up and add a disco beat
> to...

> I've loved Blondie since that song first came on the radio in
> 1978 and I was convinced it was the Bee Gees (my fave band at
> that time- I forced my parents to buy me the "Saturday
> Night Fever" 8 -track tape- even though I wasn't allowed to
> see the movie until I was much older)

> ahhhh, the memories... my future wife will probably be a Debbie
> Harry wannabe ;^)

Your favourite band of the late 70's was the Bee Gees ? Oh dear.
 
Admitted Bee Gees Fan in the 70's

> Your favourite band of the late 70's was the Bee Gees ? Oh dear.
- yes I am confidant enough in my masculinity to fess up to the fact that I liked disco in the 70's... and even ANDY Gibb... but of course people change and I later became one of those metal heads that shot my disco albums with a pellet gun... My musical tastes varied wildly in the 80's from glammy metal hair bands to new wave to pop and everything in between. I would listen to Judas Preist one day and Duran Duran the next and Phil Collins the next...
 
Re: Fade Away and Radiate..

> Yes.. Blondie were the darlings, the pretty faces of the new
> wave/punk scene in the eighties for sure. One of the few
> American bands to break into that over here.

> Your dissetation is fairly accurate.. No-one can afford to have
> the attitude nowadays.. it may alienate your money making
> audience..

> However Suzanne.. with respect 'The Tide Is High' is their most
> awful moment (alongside insipid pop anthem 'Sunday Girl')! Check
> out the more obsucre album tracks (11:59) for the real gems..

yeah, but it is one of those awful moments I can't get enough of.

> ..And the 'No Doubt' comparison leaves me a little cold to be
> honest. Blondie had a good few years of consistency.. 'No Doubt'
> have been and gone and had their day on two decent songs
> already.. (But I don't know their full canon, I admit)

but the idea of what I'm saying is not exactly the quality of the bands as much as they both "made it big" out of the same circumstances.

> Green Day: We've seen it all before. Dull and disinteresting.
> Best U.S. rock band ever with attitude were without doubt 'The
> Pixies'.. That is the benchmark!

And I own Green Day's first. Only because someone who I thought was cool owned a copy. I hadn't listened to it in years.

I simply find the whole thing an interesting study in how labels latch onto certain bands that many scenesters reject, and then present it to the masses.
 
Re: Fade Away and Radiate..

> Yes.. Blondie were the darlings, the pretty faces of the new
> wave/punk scene in the eighties for sure. One of the few
> American bands to break into that over here.

> Your dissetation is fairly accurate.. No-one can afford to have
> the attitude nowadays.. it may alienate your money making
> audience..

> However Suzanne.. with respect 'The Tide Is High' is their most
> awful moment (alongside insipid pop anthem 'Sunday Girl')! Check
> out the more obsucre album tracks (11:59) for the real gems..

yeah I think Blondie definitely had her moments. There are so many other bands I am more interested in but Ever once in awhile when I get in a cheesy girl pop mood and Abba is too over the top for some reason (at that particular moment) either Blonfie or Elastica do the trick.

However, why I say they are uninteresting and boring in comparison to other bands is that they seem unoriginal to me and their music is certianly not revolutionary. As to Elastica, I've heard (haven't had the money to buy a Wire cd as of yet but..) that they completely rip off Wire to a huge extent.

> ..And the 'No Doubt' comparison leaves me a little cold to be
> honest. Blondie had a good few years of consistency.. 'No Doubt'
> have been and gone and had their day on two decent songs

wow-what two songs of no doubt were decent? I'm having trouble thinking of even one.

> already.. (But I don't know their full canon, I admit)

> Green Day: We've seen it all before. Dull and disinteresting.
> Best U.S. rock band ever with attitude were without doubt 'The
> Pixies'.. That is the benchmark!

yes definitely. Green Day can't even hold half a candle to the Pixies. Green Day is pathetic.

Kirstie
 
Re: Admitted Bee Gees Fan in the 70's

> - yes I am confidant enough in my masculinity to fess up to the
> fact that I liked disco in the 70's... and even ANDY Gibb... but
> of course people change and I later became one of those metal
> heads that shot my disco albums with a pellet gun... My musical
> tastes varied wildly in the 80's from glammy metal hair bands to
> new wave to pop and everything in between. I would listen to
> Judas Preist one day and Duran Duran the next and Phil Collins
> the next...

you remind me of my husband's brother. He likes Rush, Genesis, U2, The Beatles, Cannibal Corpse, Smashing Pumpkins, Metallica, Radiohead, Megadeath, and Sonic Youth. If that's not eclectic I don't know what is. Of course, it would be better if he was eclectic and all the bands he listened to were actually good bands but ah well he's a great guy.

Kirstie
 
Re: rip her to shreds!

> there is one big difference between blondie vs no doubt and
> green day: blondie were talentuous, smart, gifted and sexy.
> green day et al are just boring

I'm not a huge Green Day fan, but I take their music for what it is: high-energy, fun, wanna-be punk rawk.

And they're good at what they do.
 
Very varied musical tastes

Yep I'm a bit strange and musically moody

ummmm... thanks ;^)

> you remind me of my husband's brother. He likes Rush, Genesis,
> U2, The Beatles, Cannibal Corpse, Smashing Pumpkins, Metallica,
> Radiohead, Megadeath, and Sonic Youth. If that's not eclectic I
> don't know what is. Of course, it would be better if he was
> eclectic and all the bands he listened to were actually good
> bands but ah well he's a great guy.

> Kirstie
 
Re: Fade Away and Radiate..

Don't you mess with Suzanne! I'll kick your ass. That'll be that!
What Suzanne says goes!

> Yes.. Blondie were the darlings, the pretty faces of the new
> wave/punk scene in the eighties for sure. One of the few
> American bands to break into that over here.

> Your dissetation is fairly accurate.. No-one can afford to have
> the attitude nowadays.. it may alienate your money making
> audience..

> However Suzanne.. with respect 'The Tide Is High' is their most
> awful moment (alongside insipid pop anthem 'Sunday Girl')! Check
> out the more obsucre album tracks (11:59) for the real gems..

> ..And the 'No Doubt' comparison leaves me a little cold to be
> honest. Blondie had a good few years of consistency.. 'No Doubt'
> have been and gone and had their day on two decent songs
> already.. (But I don't know their full canon, I admit)

> Green Day: We've seen it all before. Dull and disinteresting.
> Best U.S. rock band ever with attitude were without doubt 'The
> Pixies'.. That is the benchmark!
 
Re: rip her to shreds!

talentuous, smart, gifted and sexy.

wow! what a fuking kewl werd.
 
Re: Fade Away and Radiate..

> Don't you mess with Suzanne! I'll kick your ass. That'll be
> that!
> What Suzanne says goes!

Ok.. Point taken, I think Suzanne would disagree about debate though...

Now, Could you lose the ridiculous unfunny 'handle' you use... That Joke isn't funny anymore..
 
Re: Fade Away and Radiate..

> Ok.. Point taken, I think Suzanne would disagree about debate
> though...

> Now, Could you lose the ridiculous unfunny 'handle' you use...
> That Joke isn't funny anymore..

anymore? You mean that there was a time when it was funny?

Kirstie

btw-did i miss something? I didn't really see a disagreement between Suzanne and you anyhow.
 
Re: Fade Away and Radiate..

> Ok.. Point taken, I think Suzanne would disagree about debate
> though...

> Now, Could you lose the ridiculous unfunny 'handle' you use...
> That Joke isn't funny anymore..

Don't mess with Cut your penis off and crazy glue it to your forehead-look you're a unicorn!!! I'll kick your ass!
 
Re: Fade Away and Radiate..

> Don't you mess with Suzanne! I'll kick your ass. That'll be
> that!
> What Suzanne says goes!

Yes, do as I say, or I will post realaudio files of me butchering Big Mouth Strikes Again!

You know, cut your head off and crazy glue it's mouth to your penis-look you're a general sales manager!, what has the state of the world degenerated into these days?
 
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