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[Kirstie]

Where on Earth did you get
> that bit about Bosina being a result of the cold war?

That was Working Girl's comment.

Kirstie

[Ams]

> but take a

> Take a look at what you, the US did to the Native American
> Indians,
> to the Buffalo, the Beaver.........

> To be able to Preach you go to be able to set a good example.

> The US do not qualify.

> Look what US industry is doing to the developing world, sweat
> shops, child labour.

> Wise up...no country is perfect ..not even the good old U, S of
> A.

Working girl, I've been really enjoying all your post. I mean, you come off really intelligent, but you're really half assing all your arguments. Lets look at England and what they did to South Africans and Jamaicans. In your own words, you can't really preach about other's countries deeds, as well.

[Copeland]

you're really half assing
> all your arguments. Lets look at England and what they did to
> South Africans and Jamaicans. In your own words, you can't
> really preach about other's countries deeds, as well.

yes, yes, yes. Ams, you hit the mark. Maybe we can all drop this now.

[Ams]

> Working girl, I've been really enjoying all your post. I mean,
> you come off really intelligent, but you're really half assing
> all your arguments. Lets look at England and what they did to
> South Africans and Jamaicans. In your own words, you can't
> really preach about other's countries deeds, as well.

I'm sorry, but I'm really anal-rententive and have to correct something. I meant to say, "you can't really preach about other countries' deeds."

[joe blow]

> too late.

> But you know, I don't mind arguments and/or discussions as long
> as they are intelligent.

> Kirstie

Why don't the two of you just F*ck each other already?? I'm sure YOU think YOU'RE children would be perfect! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

[Andrew S.]

> where do you shop? I'm glad you don't own a travel agency.

aa.com

> I got a round trip to Paris returning from London last year for
> less than $400.

OK, let's be fair. i checked the ticket price on short notice and that was the price. this time I went with a date a year from now and got them round trip.

Your Price (US Dollars)
Per Person Taxes/Fees No. of Travelers Price
656.00 67.40 1 Adult(s) 723.40 USD
Total Price for all travelers: 723.40 US Dollars

plus food, board, travel, etc.

once again, i still don't have the green and I know my parents don't. I'd rather Kerouac it across the US. plus you don't have to deal with eurotrash that way.

> Besides, we don't want to give them a 1-way ticket. We want to
> send them back home.

I thought we hated the US so much we were going to flee and become a famous artist in France?

> And no, i haven't been to mexico.

beautiful country. watch out for Federales.

my friends just got back from an awesome surf trip down there...cheap as hell.

> I would visit canada because it's full of trees and is nice and
> cool in the summer months.

my friend drove up to canada from Denver on a whim and got harassed by mounties who tore apart his car looking for drugs. he ended up in a Hooter's in Canada drinking beer.

-Andrew S.

[WorkingGirl]

> I haven't seen anything first hand but it
> seems you are not so free from racism yourself.

> Kirstie

I am not my country or my fellow countrymen.

There are racists in Britain, only this weekend, the National Front held a march through Brixton. A mainly black residential area of south london and a place I lived in for six years and I loved it.

The a theme I have noticed in many of the replies to my posts, that the individual can not separate themselves (an American) from their government or Country (America).

If you agree with what your government does in your name, then fine. If not do something about it, don't shoot the messenger.

WorkingGirlx

[WorkingGirl]

> This is a good point. Someone made this point to me about WWII
> awhile back that if the position had been reversed and we had
> bombed Japan first and they had held something powerful enough,
> they might have tried to destroy the whole world.

> Although, I still think we were very wrong to do what we did in
> WWII.
> And the truth is (as someone mentioned Judaism awhile ago), one
> of the reasons why I detest this country (although I am not
> Jewish) is because we knew that Hitler was evil and that Jews
> were being persecuted. Hitler made Time's man of the year in
> 1938 for God's sake (and then Stalin being Time's man of the
> Year in 1939 too) and we also knew by the many people trying to
> escape Germany and flee into this country and most of them we
> wouldn't let in. It was evil what we did-we only got involved
> when we had to align ourselves with the Allies because we were
> bombed by one of the Axis (Japan). We let too many people die
> knowlingly. Ugh it makes me so disgusted. And then we look like
> the saviors who stopped it all. Good grief.

> And don't even mention to me the internment camps because I
> could rant about that mistake for eons.

> Kirstie

Thank you for being honest in your replies. I think many of the people who have responed either do not understand history or choose to ignore it.

[WorkingGirl]

> oh it is shameful.

> to every animal to some extent. But every country is a bit
> guilty of not showing enough compassion to their animals as far
> as I'm concerned.

> I keep thinking that we must set a good example in something but
> yet it is difficult to think of something. So that definitely
> proves your point pretty well.

> Again, so shameful.

> very true-although I'm not sure if we were arguing for
> perfection.

> Kirstie

Be resonable, ask for the impossible.

[WorkingGirl]

> Working girl, I've been really enjoying all your post. I mean,
> you come off really intelligent, but you're really half assing
> all your arguments. Lets look at England and what they did to
> South Africans and Jamaicans. In your own words, you can't
> really preach about other's countries deeds, as well.

I hope I am not preaching.

And if you read my posts in this link I have said that the UK has been guilty in the past.

I was responding to MEDUSA.

I am pointing out the fact that in the 19 Century it was Britain and now it appears that the US have taken on this mantle.

[Ams]

> I hope I am not preaching.

> And if you read my posts in this link I have said that the UK
> has been guilty in the past.

> I was responding to MEDUSA.

> I am pointing out the fact that in the 19 Century it was Britain
> and now it appears that the US have taken on this mantle.

Well, honestly, it looks like you're giving one long sermon about how awful America is. If you know anything about history then you know power corrupts. They'll always be at least one super power nation using most of the world's resources and I'm afraid that'll never change as long as human beings are around.

[WorkingGirl]

> Well, honestly, it looks like you're giving one long sermon
> about how awful America is. If you know anything about history
> then you know power corrupts. They'll always be at least one
> super power nation using most of the world's resources and I'm
> afraid that'll never change as long as human beings are around.

Again I am responding to a response to my post.

What I am trying to say is that America (the state) not the individuals that live there, is not the the best thing since sliced bread and that the individuals that live there, would be better of understanding this and doing something about it.

Unfortunately the knee-jerk reaction to my posts has been that America (the State) is wonderful. As near to perfect as is possible on earth, and that sure ain't true buddy.

If you don't want to hear it fine, but some of your fellow countrymen think it isn't true and that kind of mentality is, at the extreme, dangerous.

[suzanne]

> aa.com

> OK, let's be fair. i checked the ticket price on short notice
> and that was the price. this time I went with a date a year from
> now and got them round trip.

> Your Price (US Dollars)
> Per Person Taxes/Fees No. of Travelers Price
> 656.00 67.40 1 Adult(s) 723.40 USD
> Total Price for all travelers: 723.40 US Dollars

> plus food, board, travel, etc.

> once again, i still don't have the green and I know my parents
> don't. I'd rather Kerouac it across the US. plus you don't have
> to deal with eurotrash that way.

Eurotrash are better than ameritrash!

> I thought we hated the US so much we were going to flee and
> become a famous artist in France?

Hmm. I'll admit that right now I'm thinking of looking for a European outlet for my stuff.

Do you know our local frat boy freak George Devore? I was reading his bio in the SXSW guide and they were bragging how he has been on German national TV 3 times.

...and you will know us by the trail of dead actually gets written up in Q and other nationally published music mags in britain.

And how great is that? If people start pestering you, you can go home and nobody gives a @#!!! about who you are. Also, they have many independent labels that are small, on the lookout for weird stuff, and it still gets airplay. Roll out of bed, play a few dates, give them a "howdy, ya'll" to amuse them, and go home.

Yup, that's the life for me.

> beautiful country. watch out for Federales.

I had a friend who went through there and onto Central America.

> my friends just got back from an awesome surf trip down
> there...cheap as hell.

I dunno. I feel bad for exploiting a place for being cheap.

> my friend drove up to canada from Denver on a whim and got
> harassed by mounties who tore apart his car looking for drugs.
> he ended up in a Hooter's in Canada drinking beer.

The guy that went to central america had some dumbasses in the car that answered "si" to the question if they had drugs on them because they didn't know any spanish, and they had to sit by the side of the rode as their car got torn apart.

[Lifeguard Sleeping]

> Do you know our local frat boy freak George Devore? I was
> reading his bio in the SXSW guide and they were bragging how he
> has been on German national TV 3 times.

Other Americans who became big rock stars in Germany:

David Hasselhoff
Alyssa Milano

[MEDUSA]

> Wise up...no country is perfect ...

I'd say human being is not perfect. We all do a horrible job everyday, in our places, unfortunatelly. That's why we have wars, violence, disrespect, etc...

[MEDUSA]

> Well, honestly, it looks like you're giving one long sermon
> about how awful America is. If you know anything about history
> then you know power corrupts. They'll always be at least one
> super power nation using most of the world's resources and I'm
> afraid that'll never change as long as human beings are around.

So what can we do? Wait for the nuclear bomb? I hope not. I'm still so young.

[suzanne]

> Other Americans who became big rock stars in Germany:

> David Hasselhoff
> Alyssa Milano

there is hope for all of us!

[WorkingGirl]

> I'm
> still so young.

Perhaps this is the reason for your ramblings.

If so, you're get over it.

[WorkingGirl]

> I'd say human being is not perfect. We all do a horrible job
> everyday, in our places, unfortunatelly. That's why we have
> wars, violence, disrespect, etc...

And your doing your best to change this?

With postings about gas chambers? wanting to kill?

You're a sick puppy.

Oh,when will you die?

[MEDUSA]

> Perhaps this is the reason for your ramblings.

Oh boy!!!!! Are you racist working girl? Don't you like jews?

> If so, you're get over it.