Do you ever come to the Board just to see if a Certain Someone had posted anything?

[punchdrunkGB]

I WILL HELP ANY ONE WHO CAN TRACK THAT @#!!!E MR B.R CYRUS DOWN AND @#!!! THAT BASTARDS HAIR ARGGGGHHHHH

DOES ANYONE KNOW HIS WEB SITE ADDRESS HE IS BOUND TO HAVE ONE.

MAYBE WE COULD ALL PLAY UP ON HIS SITE

GIVING HIM GRIEF ETC ETC

JUST A TAUGHT!!!

> @#!!! .

> i started typing stuff, i hit a wrong button, the entire post
> disappears and i don't know how to bring it all back.

> i'll be back later....

[suzanne]

> oh! i finally have my computer again! (i put an answer more in
> the sequence of posts because i didn`t write you in a time a
> little bit long...)

That's OK. I know what it's like when your computer dies.

I didn't miss you too much because I was busy. I went to the renaissance festival and saw lots of people dressed up in period outfits and really bad English accents, being served cajun food in the French section....it was great. The vendors calling out, "Get your Hot chocolate!" transported me back to the year 1550.

Funnily, the most european thing about the festival was the weather. it drizzled constantly and it was cold.

> i`ve been hearing all the time stories about viroses and so on,
> but i was too lazy to get an anti virus.

My computer died of a virus: Windows 98 Upgrade.

> anyway, lots of people here got this "melissa" virus,
> and pratically
> everybod had "excellent" anti virus...

i just try and not open anything with attachments. that's my anti-virus. it's sort of like using abstinance as the safest form of birth control.

> oh yeah - i don`t know why bessie smith`s voice were so strident
> with my better earphones, and no so strident with the worse
> ones.

> do you have any suggestions?

> i could suggest greasetea but i know you wouldn`t like it...
> :-)))

> i think so - i`ve seen some of his interviews and his
> description of the period is really exciting. Unfortunately i`ve
> never read one of his books, because they are not about the
> WWII... :-))

broaden your horizons! there are more interesting things than WWII.

Speaking of war atrocities, i was doing a little bit more research on my family and stumbled across a very basic reading of the Irish clan Lawler, and how they were one of the ruling clans along with 6 other clans who came together to fight against the Vikings and were called the Seven septs of Leix, later the County Laois for several centuries...that is, until the English came and slaughtered a bunch of them, and later, in the early 1600's, rounded up several of the ones who weren't the dirt poor nobodies and shipped them across the island to Kerry.

Just think. You go from ruling an area in central ireland to being an inbred redneck in just 200 years.

> ok, i`ll tell you the truth: i really really like you said a
> good thing about me. I hope you won`t tease me because of
> this... :-)

I guess since i say bad things all the time, it would be a general cause of celebration that i said something nice.

> ???

> the part of talking?

> oh, i understand you - but perhaps my case is that often i know
> what people will say, and i am simply bored of hearing the same
> thing again and again and again.

i just sort of can't concentrate. i get lost in my own planet.

also, i'm very bad at being a listener. Even if I'm interested, people get the impression that I'm not.

> perhaps he is no so cryptic to the person he loves.

cryptic in a different way.

you know that there are certain forms of communication that you do understand that other people don't just because it is not important that they need to know. then there are parts that are very crucial that the affected persons need to know, and those parts don't really get through that well.

> i think he loves somebody with whom he wanted to have a daily
> relationship, but he simply can`t have this relationship.

what stops him?

not like i have much room to talk in such areas. not like i'm a master at anything.

> that`s it: he knows who is the person he wants to be with, he
> knows he can`t stay with her (or him...), and he doesn`t looks
> for somebody else.

it is hard, isn't it? It's like time never seems to pass and you're not quite empty and you're not quite fulfilled so it's just enough to not be completely lonely, isn't it?

Otherwise, how could he live alone and still want to have a completely empty hair salon?

> but he doesn`t seem such a bad guy, does he?

no, i can't fault him.

> sorry... do you want to do the same thing as morrissey when
> you`ll get your hair?

sorry. i think i was being too american for you.

supercuts is a really cheap place where you come out with worse hair than what you came in with. i figured that waving a $20 bill would be the most they've seen all day....

> hehehe... that`s true...

> oh really - when i was younger i thought women selected too much
> in reality... :-))

it's always all or nothing. some people seem to get everyone. a few people get the left overs, and then some have nobody.

> but suzanne... people really consider you "boring to
> dull" in real life?

oh yes. think about it. girl not getting out much and it isn't because she is really turning down anyone.

> everything is ok?

> hehe... perhaps so...

> anyway, it`s strategically important to be a good liar sometimes
> - see Morrissey for example. Recently in two interviews he said
> he never had an affair in one interview and that he was not
> celibate anymore in another one.

i think he lies depending on the publication. he also loves confusing people. it's part of his mystery. like you said, two people know what's going on and everybody else runs around thinking something else because he says so much that people can tune certain things out and only latch onto one idea.

> it`s funny - anyway i can`t see me saying lies that will
> prejudice anyone.
> heh... "do you want to dehydrate your food?"
> "No." "I understand you -this is worthless"

hee hee!

and you should say it exactly like that.

> i think i would be a seller like that to.

> do you believe in the Lord, don`t you?

it's odd. whenever someone you know dies...for example a great uncle of mine finally passed away this monday from a brain tumor... you keep thinking about those things about why there is a life span, and what your death will be like and if there will be a level of consciousness after the fact where all your memories come along with you.

for example, i know i've seen a ghost standing over my bed when I was in london. i heard her for a few days. it sounded like a heavy person running around in my room, and there was the sound of nylon material swishing. sure enough, on the last night of my stay, i felt something press on my shoulder when i was sleeping and i looked up and saw a heavy girl with a long rain coat standing over my bed. she floated around to the foot of the bed and disappeared.

> this is excellent indeed. I was a sportsman, i swam in
> competitions - i was not a good swimmer, but perhaps swimming
> didn`t permit i became crazy.

i do kendo, and i swear to you that it's the only organized sport that I have any respect for. i hated everything when i was in school because not only was i terrible at it, but everyone around you let you know how bad you were. even the coaches. i still remember years later one of them remarking to someone how they were stuck with my group because none of the other coaches wanted us. i know that it certainly made me lay on the couch and get fat for several years.

i think kendo is the only thing i've been involved with where there was some sort of positive air about it because it's about discipline and patience.

> i see - but they make some charity, don`t they?

some. i know it's bad of me, but i don't like pan handlers that much because i know for a fact that some of these people do it for a living and i've heard of some cases where they live in nicer places than I do. I say let the people making a zilion dollars a year in these stupid computer companies give them some money. i have no sympathy for the ones that are obviously intelligent people....at least, here in Austin. Then again, some people are homeless because housing is so expensive and the wages are low....once again, caused by the people with a zillion dollars in the computer industry driving up the price of everything.

i do have more pity for the ones who are mentally ill. I remember one of my co-workers who I was having an office lunch with telling one guy who obviously wasnt completely with it to "get a job" and going inside and talking about how she "hated people like that" while Miss PrissPot would be going home to a lawyer husband.

> really? why?

because i'm not really adept at it.

> i have to give classes in front of people...

> oh yeah this is really scaring sometimes...

i tend to twitch in that situation as well. i did poorly in my speech classes.

> it must be horrible indeed - but what they can`t see is that the
> great composers were the most authentic one.

usually decided after the fact...

> but perhaps this is the best way of making good songs: you
> simply don`t care about what other people think.

that's not what i meant.

> for a so-called shy person, his attitude in shows are really
> surprising.

but you see, he has dreamed about it for so long that it is natural to do such a thing.

and there is also something else, and that is natural ability. he wasn't on stage for that long and people really noticed him. there was this girl at open mic who was really nervous because she hadn't done such a thing before, but she went up after me doing a so-so job after doing such a thing for well over a year, and with her first try, completely drew everyone in because she was so natural with the crowd. i knew then that if i had been doing this for as long as i had and barely improved over the course of time i had been doing it for and I still hadn't even come close to what she did in one try, it was never going to come.

> you see, i remember almost everyday Morrissey came to curitiba
> and i watched a show of his.

> i still feel pratically the same gladness i felt that day...

> i would do the same if i was a singer.

to watch? yes, it's more fun seeing the larger than life figure on stage romping around.

[Fabricio]

Sorry, but Billy Ray Cyrus is a country singer, isn`t it?

There`s a motif to kill him?

:-))

>
> > oh! i finally have my computer again! (i put an answer more in
> > the sequence of posts because i didn`t write you in a time a
> > little bit long...)
>
> That's OK. I know what it's like when your computer dies.

It`s really terrible, isn`t it?

I always feared that something similar could happen, but I couldn`t imagine that that would really happen...

And I`m sending this messagem with two answers again - I hope you don`t mind.

>
> I didn't miss you too much because I was busy. I went to the >renaissance
> festival and saw lots of people dressed up in period outfits and >really
>bad
> English accents, being served cajun food in the French >section....it was
> great.

These people with bad accents came from where?

>The vendors calling out, "Get your Hot chocolate!" transported me >back
> to the year 1550.

this seem really funny indeed - i have never participated in something like that.
>
> Funnily, the most european thing about the festival was the >weather. it
> drizzled constantly and it was cold.

People say that Curitiba has a kind of "European" weather too, because it rains a lot and it`s cold in great part of the year - not so cold as most of Europe, of course...

It seems that Texas normally has a kind of "Tropical" weather, isn`t it?

>
> > i`ve been hearing all the time stories about viroses and so on,
> > but i was too lazy to get an anti virus.
>
> My computer died of a virus: Windows 98 Upgrade.

heh... really? what happened then?

>
> > anyway, lots of people here got this "melissa" virus,
> > and pratically
> > everybod had "excellent" anti virus...
>
> i just try and not open anything with attachments. that's my anti->virus. it's
> sort of like using abstinance as the safest form of birth control.

:-)))

but even if someone you trust send you something attached you don`t open?

anyway, it seems a good idea someway ...

>
> > i think so - i`ve seen some of his interviews and his
> > description of the period is really exciting. Unfortunately i`ve
> > never read one of his books, because they are not about the
> > WWII... :-))
>
> broaden your horizons! there are more interesting things than WWII.

oh! :-) do you have some suggestions? WWII is fascinating to me because I can`t understand the nazism, and how they arrived to the power.

anyway, i was really interested in my team (coritiba) until two months ago. But it is losing pratically all matches in the Brazilian Championship and it is in the last place so I`m trying to forget it to not suffer that much.

I was interested in novels from the 18th and 19th Centuries too, but it arrived a time where I needed something more "real"...

>
> Speaking of war atrocities, i was doing a little bit more research >on my
> family and stumbled across a very basic reading of the Irish clan >Lawler, and
> how they were one of the ruling clans along with 6 other clans who > came
> together to fight against the Vikings and were called the Seven >septs of Leix,
> later the County Laois for several centuries...

are you a Lawler descendant? It seems very interesting to know things like that...

>that is, until the English came
> and slaughtered a bunch of them, and later, in the early 1600's, >rounded up
> several of the ones who weren't the dirt poor nobodies and shipped >them across
> the island to Kerry.

oh, the English were really bad!

In the 19th Century Paraguay was a very powerful country and England didn`t like that. So it caused Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay to make an enormous War against Paraguay. In this genocide War it seems that 90% of males in Paraguay were killed - and until now Paraguay didn`t recover its power...

>
> Just think. You go from ruling an area in central ireland to being >an inbred
> redneck in just 200 years.

The History of Men seems a succession of cases like that.

Oh yeah - and this is called imperialism too.

>
> > ok, i`ll tell you the truth: i really really like you said a
> > good thing about me. I hope you won`t tease me because of
> > this... :-)
>
> I guess since i say bad things all the time, it would be a general >cause of
> celebration that i said something nice.

oh, you don`t say bad things all the time - but you use to say bad things about me!

and you know I like the bad things you say about me...

> > oh, i understand you - but perhaps my case is that often i know
> > what people will say, and i am simply bored of hearing the same
> > thing again and again and again.
>
> i just sort of can't concentrate. i get lost in my own planet.

you can`t concentrate when you talk to somebody? i am that way sometimes, but normally i really can concentrate about what other people say. And then the bored state of mind come...

>
> also, i'm very bad at being a listener. Even if I'm interested, >people get the
> impression that I'm not.

oh, most girls I know are like that - at least with me :-)))

I think I am a good listener - and I was a little bit disappointed with my father (I thought my father was a more serious man) when recently he, myself and his partner went to an important lunch with "important" people. Well, my father`s partner, whom I have never had a good impression, was an excellent listener and talked to me almost all the time - yes, because my "serious" father just passed all his time looking around to see if he could find somebody important...

>
> > perhaps he is no so cryptic to the person he loves.
>
> cryptic in a different way.
>
> you know that there are certain forms of communication that you do
>understand
> that other people don't just because it is not important that they >need to
> know. then there are parts that are very crucial that the affected >persons
> need to know, and those parts don't really get through that well.

but perhaps the people who are directly affected by Morrissey knows what he wants to say.

>
> > i think he loves somebody with whom he wanted to have a daily
> > relationship, but he simply can`t have this relationship.
>
> what stops him?

I really don`t know.

Perhaps the person he loves has another person, and he wants to help this "another person"

"young boy / i want to help you / young girl / i love you now" (disappointed is a little bit like that, isn`t it?)

I don`t know - just a crazy idea.

>
> not like i have much room to talk in such areas. not like i'm a >master at
> anything.

I don`t think I have much room to talk in such areas either - anyway, as everybody, I had some crazy experiences in my life.

>
> > that`s it: he knows who is the person he wants to be with, he
> > knows he can`t stay with her (or him...), and he doesn`t looks
> > for somebody else.
>
> it is hard, isn't it? It's like time never seems to pass and you're >not
>quite
> empty and you're not quite fulfilled so it's just enough to not be
>completely
> lonely, isn't it?

Good definition indeed!

I imagine Morrissey`s life exactly like that. I would like to think he has his compensations, but I`m not quite sure. At least in Alma Matters he seems quite sure of what he did.

>
> Otherwise, how could he live alone and still want to have a >completely
>empty
> hair salon?
>
I can`t see him as a "non normal" person. He treats very well his fans, his shows are plenty of a good energy.

These kind of things he makes perhaps just the way he says incoherent
things in his interviews: just to make mystery.

> > but he doesn`t seem such a bad guy, does he?
>
> no, i can't fault him.

good...
>
> > sorry... do you want to do the same thing as morrissey when
> > you`ll get your hair?
>
> sorry. i think i was being too american for you.
>
> supercuts is a really cheap place where you come out with worse >hair than
>what
> you came in with. i figured that waving a $20 bill would be the most
>they've
> seen all day....

:-))

>
> > hehehe... that`s true...
>
> > oh really - when i was younger i thought women selected too much
> > in reality... :-))
>
> it's always all or nothing. some people seem to get everyone. a few >people
>get
> the left overs, and then some have nobody.

hehe! I was one of those that had nobody all the time!

>
> > but suzanne... people really consider you "boring to
> > dull" in real life?
>
> oh yes. think about it. girl not getting out much and it isn't >because she
>is
> really turning down anyone.

I have some female friends like that and those are the better people I know.

I don`t know. I am a man but I think I would suffer if I was a girl and I needed to find a man - most men I know are simply idiots, that like to be toghether with other men to say brutal and silly things. I always prefer the company of girls - and most men I know just don`t like to talk with girls, or simply give no importance of what girls have to say.

Perhaps men learn to give no importance of what a girl think at home - but they are idiots just the same.

>
> > anyway, it`s strategically important to be a good liar sometimes
> > - see Morrissey for example. Recently in two interviews he said
> > he never had an affair in one interview and that he was not
> > celibate anymore in another one.
>
> i think he lies depending on the publication. he also loves >confusing
>people.
> it's part of his mystery.

just like the way he cut his hair...

>like you said, two people know what's going on

oh! it seems you agreed a little bit with me...! :-)))

>and
> everybody else runs around thinking something else because he says >so much
> that people can tune certain things out and only latch onto one >idea.

oh yeah - I`ve seen that all time about him.

Anyway, it seems more interesting to discuss about a mysterious person than to discuss about some "open book" person, don`t you thik?

>
> > it`s funny - anyway i can`t see me saying lies that will
> > prejudice anyone.
> > heh... "do you want to dehydrate your food?"
> > "No." "I understand you -this is worthless"
>
> hee hee!
>
> and you should say it exactly like that.

yes - i would not buy a single product, because nobody think about dehydrate their own`s food... (except perhaps those who have a very adventurous life like the Brazilian guy who traversed single the Atlantic Ocean in a scull - and all his food there were dehydrated!)

>
> > i think i would be a seller like that to.
>
> > do you believe in the Lord, don`t you?
>
> it's odd. whenever someone you know dies...for example a great >uncle of mine
> finally passed away this monday from a brain tumor... you keep
> thinking about
> those things about why there is a life span, and what your death
>will be like
> and if there will be a level of consciousness after the fact where
>all your
> memories come along with you.

yeah - the death scares even people like me sometimes. I believe in a God that really actuates in our life, but lately I read much things about Nazism and I am affraid of the quantity of evils God let happen...

>
> for example, i know i've seen a ghost standing over my bed when I
>was in
> london. i heard her for a few days. it sounded like a heavy person
>running
> around in my room, and there was the sound of nylon material
> swishing.
> sure
> enough, on the last night of my stay, i felt something press on my
>shoulder
> when i was sleeping and i looked up and saw a heavy girl with a
>long rain coat
> standing over my bed. she floated around to the foot of the bed and
> disappeared.

Oh, this is really scaring.

But anyway, I tend to not believe that dead`s souls actuate in our life - I believe that their energy remains someway, just like the parapsychologists (this term exists in english?)

Anyway, five days ago a beautiful girl asked me money and I was in my car and I couldn`t hear a word of what she said. Then she went away... i was looking at her, i looked somewhere else few seconds and when I looked again she simply disappeared in a really opened area - there was no place to her to go in few seconds. I was affraid but the Fabricio believer calmed me.

>
> > this is excellent indeed. I was a sportsman, i swam in
> > competitions - i was not a good swimmer, but perhaps swimming
> > didn`t permit i became crazy.
>
> i do kendo, and i swear to you that it's the only organized sport
>that I have
> any respect for.

I don`t know it - is this a kind of fight?

>i hated everything when i was in school because not only was
> i terrible at it, but everyone around you let you know how bad you
> were. even
> the coaches. i still remember years later one of them remarking to
>someone how
> they were stuck with my group because none of the other coaches wanted us.

it`s unfair how people put all these weight on things like sports. I have an impression - after watching American films - that in USA there are groups that humiliate those who are not good in sports. Is that impression true?

> i
> know that it certainly made me lay on the couch and get fat for >several
>years.

You are not fat anymore, are you?

I was fat before and after the six years I swam for competitions almost everyday. Anyway, last year I lost 14 kg (almost 31 pounds) and I`m maintaining this weight.

>
> i think kendo is the only thing i've been involved with where there
>was some
> sort of positive air about it because it's about discipline and
>patience.

this is really good indeed - do you practise it a lot?

>
> > i see - but they make some charity, don`t they?
>
> some. i know it's bad of me, but i don't like pan handlers that much
> because i
> know for a fact that some of these people do it for a living and
>i've heard of
> some cases where they live in nicer places than I do.

I agree with you - I always remember that Christ said the one cent an old woman gave to the Temple was much more than the Millions the millionaires gave to it because what the old woman gave was everything she had.

> I say let the people
> making a zilion dollars a year in these stupid computer companies
>give them
> some money. i have no sympathy for the ones that are obviously
> intelligent
> people....at least, here in Austin. Then again, some people are
> homeless
> because housing is so expensive and the wages are low....once again,
> caused by
> the people with a zillion dollars in the computer industry driving >up the
> price of everything.

oh, I understand you.

Anyway, in Brazil people are homeless because there are too much poor people here - but lots of poor people can live in poor houses far from the city, frequently invading particular proprieties. Nobody can say that they are really wrong for invading...

>i do have more pity for the ones who are mentally ill. I remember
>ne of my
> co-workers who I was having an office lunch with telling one guy who
>obviously
> wasnt completely with it to "get a job" and going inside and >talking about
>how
> she "hated people like that" while Miss PrissPot would be going >home to a
> lawyer husband.

it seems terrible...

> > i have to give classes in front of people...
>
> > oh yeah this is really scaring sometimes...
>
> i tend to twitch in that situation as well. i did poorly in my
>speech
>classes.

I was not so bad in my speech classes - but I was normally too nervous! I am still like that sometimes.

>
> > it must be horrible indeed - but what they can`t see is that the
> > great composers were the most authentic one.
>
> usually decided after the fact...

I knew that Schubert was not recognized and died when 31 years old. Bach was not recognized as well, so my two preferred composers had no luck when alive...
>

> and there is also something else, and that is natural ability. he
>wasn't on
> stage for that long and people really noticed him.

The way he mantains his public even far from the media is an excellent
surprise for us...

>there was this girl at open
> mic who was really nervous because she hadn't done such a thing
>before, but
> she went up after me doing a so-so job after doing such a thing for
> well over
> a year, and with her first try, completely drew everyone in because
>she was so
> natural with the crowd.

Having ability in being natural with the crowd... for me this is so
difficult to understand as understand people who was not affraid of high places!

>i knew then that if i had been doing this for as long
> as i had and barely improved over the course of time i had been >doing it for
> and I still hadn't even come close to what she did in one try, it
>was never
> going to come.
>
well, perhaps the more important brazilian composer (chico buarque de
hollanda) is still nervous to make shows. He said after entering on the stage he becomes more and more nervous in the passing of time...

> > you see, i remember almost everyday Morrissey came to curitiba
> > and i watched a show of his.
>
> > i still feel pratically the same gladness i felt that day...
>
> > i would do the same if i was a singer.
>
> to watch? yes, it's more fun seeing the larger than life figure on stage
> romping around.
>

hehe.. well, it may be not so fun, but if we are like that, what can
we do?

Some great singers are like that, like liam gallagher, chico buarque de hollanda or joão gilberto.

[suzanne]

> Sorry, but Billy Ray Cyrus is a country singer, isn`t it?

> There`s a motif to kill him?

part of a comedy routine done by the late Bill Hicks

> :-))

> It`s really terrible, isn`t it?

> I always feared that something similar could happen, but I
> couldn`t imagine that that would really happen...

> And I`m sending this messagem with two answers again - I hope
> you don`t mind.

> These people with bad accents came from where?

these were local people trying to do an accent and failing

> this seem really funny indeed - i have never participated in
> something like that.

> People say that Curitiba has a kind of "European"
> weather too, because it rains a lot and it`s cold in great part
> of the year - not so cold as most of Europe, of course...

that's a better place to be

> It seems that Texas normally has a kind of "Tropical"
> weather, isn`t it?

not exactly. hot, humid, but at the same time, it doesn't rain that much

> heh... really? what happened then?

it kept crashing because of the way explorer was integrated in the system

> :-)))

> but even if someone you trust send you something attached you
> don`t open?

i only open it if it comes with a personalized message. I stay away from anything with a generic "i hope you like it"

> anyway, it seems a good idea someway ...

> oh! :-) do you have some suggestions? WWII is fascinating to me
> because I can`t understand the nazism, and how they arrived to
> the power.

Because the Germans were dirt poor after WWI and when you're dirt poor, anything starts looking good to you.

> anyway, i was really interested in my team (coritiba) until two
> months ago. But it is losing pratically all matches in the
> Brazilian Championship and it is in the last place so I`m trying
> to forget it to not suffer that much.

sad, but hey...we will live

> I was interested in novels from the 18th and 19th Centuries too,
> but it arrived a time where I needed something more
> "real"...

right now, i've been working on this book called Monty Python Speaks! where the cast members discuss their experiences on the show.

I've been reading it for a long time.

> are you a Lawler descendant? It seems very interesting to know
> things like that...

yep

> oh, the English were really bad!

they are still bad!

> In the 19th Century Paraguay was a very powerful country and
> England didn`t like that. So it caused Brazil, Argentina and
> Uruguay to make an enormous War against Paraguay. In this
> genocide War it seems that 90% of males in Paraguay were killed
> - and until now Paraguay didn`t recover its power...

sounds about right.

you realize america does the same thing...

> The History of Men seems a succession of cases like that.

> Oh yeah - and this is called imperialism too.

> oh, you don`t say bad things all the time - but you use to say
> bad things about me!

of course!

> and you know I like the bad things you say about me...

> you can`t concentrate when you talk to somebody? i am that way
> sometimes, but normally i really can concentrate about what
> other people say. And then the bored state of mind come...

i'm bad in groups when my mind seems to drift off...i sort of get lost in the melee.

> oh, most girls I know are like that - at least with me :-)))

> I think I am a good listener - and I was a little bit
> disappointed with my father (I thought my father was a more
> serious man) when recently he, myself and his partner went to an
> important lunch with "important" people. Well, my
> father`s partner, whom I have never had a good impression, was
> an excellent listener and talked to me almost all the time -
> yes, because my "serious" father just passed all his
> time looking around to see if he could find somebody
> important...

> but perhaps the people who are directly affected by Morrissey
> knows what he wants to say.

perhaps

> I really don`t know.

> Perhaps the person he loves has another person, and he wants to
> help this "another person"

maybe the other person doesn't have another person.

I personally think if he was just a little bit more bold in certain ways, he would be surprised to find there isn't as much opposition as he thinks.

if I may offer one bit of insight to what I think happens is that he knows, the other person knows, but he acts like the person doesn't know and treats them in that manner.

To me, locking yourself in the ivory tower only to come out once a year to see if someone turns up is not the greatest plan as far as facilitating romance. If the other person "already knows" then doing such a thing sends out the message of "I don't want you here."

Let's face it. Being dragged out to things that are obviously hit and miss over where your objective is accomplished is not very inviting. After a while of showing up and having no results, your idea of the "I don't want you there" is a bit more solidified.

> "young boy / i want to help you / young girl / i love you
> now" (disappointed is a little bit like that, isn`t it?)

> I don`t know - just a crazy idea.

> I don`t think I have much room to talk in such areas either -
> anyway, as everybody, I had some crazy experiences in my life.

> Good definition indeed!

> I imagine Morrissey`s life exactly like that. I would like to
> think he has his compensations, but I`m not quite sure. At least
> in Alma Matters he seems quite sure of what he did.
> I can`t see him as a "non normal" person. He treats
> very well his fans, his shows are plenty of a good energy.

> These kind of things he makes perhaps just the way he says
> incoherent
> things in his interviews: just to make mystery.

he is a mystery, all right.

> good...

> :-))

> hehe! I was one of those that had nobody all the time!

hey, it still happens for me.

> I have some female friends like that and those are the better
> people I know.

> I don`t know. I am a man but I think I would suffer if I was a
> girl and I needed to find a man - most men I know are simply
> idiots, that like to be toghether with other men to say brutal
> and silly things. I always prefer the company of girls - and
> most men I know just don`t like to talk with girls, or simply
> give no importance of what girls have to say.

when i went to the renaissance festival, i was peeved that many of the vendors and such flirted to get people to turn over their wallets. Of course they didn't try it on me (although I had a very nice looking guy in a Beastmaster outfit give me a hug during the parade) but I had a couple of friends with me who were completely gullible. They actually let themselves be suckered by these guys who knew they were easy targets.

I actually felt bad for them, and it makes me question if my picture of reality is what it actually is. I've sort of assumed that most people have gotten too smart to fall for things like that, but I guess I'm wrong.

> Perhaps men learn to give no importance of what a girl think at
> home - but they are idiots just the same.

yes, tell me about it. it must be a part of the reason i've been single for too long. "No, you're wrong. Let me tell you how it is."

> just like the way he cut his hair...

> oh! it seems you agreed a little bit with me...! :-)))

does it matter?

that must be my myth number 2.

> oh yeah - I`ve seen that all time about him.

> Anyway, it seems more interesting to discuss about a mysterious
> person than to discuss about some "open book" person,
> don`t you thik?

Yes. People think he's strange, but I think all the quirks make him more interesting. You obviously never know what in the heck he is thinking or what he's about to do.

> yes - i would not buy a single product, because nobody think
> about dehydrate their own`s food... (except perhaps those who
> have a very adventurous life like the Brazilian guy who
> traversed single the Atlantic Ocean in a scull - and all his
> food there were dehydrated!)

Oh. heh.. I was about it ask if it was an Elephant skull, but i'm tired...

> yeah - the death scares even people like me sometimes. I believe
> in a God that really actuates in our life, but lately I read
> much things about Nazism and I am affraid of the quantity of
> evils God let happen...

yes, but aren't evils a good means for miracles to take place?

> Oh, this is really scaring.

> But anyway, I tend to not believe that dead`s souls actuate in
> our life - I believe that their energy remains someway, just
> like the parapsychologists (this term exists in english?)

yes. i understand.

> Anyway, five days ago a beautiful girl asked me money and I was
> in my car and I couldn`t hear a word of what she said. Then she
> went away... i was looking at her, i looked somewhere else few
> seconds and when I looked again she simply disappeared in a
> really opened area - there was no place to her to go in few
> seconds. I was affraid but the Fabricio believer calmed me.

Yes, ghosts aren't something you enjoy seeing. I've seen one or two of them and that's enough.

Oh Fabricio, my voice is completely shot, and I hadn't yelled or sung or anything to cause it.

i realized it that the worst part of being alone is when you are sick.

ah, you must forgive me. i'm kind of tired and it's been a range of emotions this past week.

> I don`t know it - is this a kind of fight?

japanese sword fighting. i've never been a big fan of anger management or spiritual improvement through sports, but I don't know if it's coincidence, but it seems as if a lot of my outbursts have subsided. I wouldn't say I feel great, but I don't think I;ve been ragging on myself so much.

> it`s unfair how people put all these weight on things like
> sports. I have an impression - after watching American films -
> that in USA there are groups that humiliate those who are not
> good in sports. Is that impression true?

One answer:

YES

Of course it's not bad because I'm out of school, but when you are in school, christ. If you were already unpopular, it gives the others a healthy means of giving them something else to give you @#!!! about.

And let's not forget the ones who are really good in sports and have all of the doors open up for them socially and financially.

> You are not fat anymore, are you?

are you worried?

> I was fat before and after the six years I swam for competitions
> almost everyday. Anyway, last year I lost 14 kg (almost 31
> pounds) and I`m maintaining this weight.

> this is really good indeed - do you practise it a lot?

i try, but around the house it's very hard because the shinai has some range on it and you end up knocking things

> I agree with you - I always remember that Christ said the one
> cent an old woman gave to the Temple was much more than the
> Millions the millionaires gave to it because what the old woman
> gave was everything she had.

> oh, I understand you.

> Anyway, in Brazil people are homeless because there are too much
> poor people here - but lots of poor people can live in poor
> houses far from the city, frequently invading particular
> proprieties. Nobody can say that they are really wrong for
> invading...

those people can't help it.

today, there was a protest about the Fortune 500 companies in Austin. I was at home and watched the news wrap up and was completely peeved at our station. They show all these protestors, then they interview some motorists driving through the area who think these people are nothing but goobers, and then you follow it up with a heartwarming piece about Christopher Reeve giving an opening lecture at the conference, which makes the protestors look selfish and uniformed, but if our news bothered to cover the millions of people world wide who are poor, homeless, live in polluted areas, or had their families killed by American funded armies in the name of economic interest, I think that would have put it all into perspective.

> it seems terrible...

> I was not so bad in my speech classes - but I was normally too
> nervous! I am still like that sometimes.

> I knew that Schubert was not recognized and died when 31 years
> old. Bach was not recognized as well, so my two preferred
> composers had no luck when alive...

yes, but this is not really the same thing. you had people at least interested enough in keeping the music alive

> The way he mantains his public even far from the media is an
> excellent
> surprise for us...

> Having ability in being natural with the crowd... for me this is
> so
> difficult to understand as understand people who was not affraid
> of high places!
> well, perhaps the more important brazilian composer (chico
> buarque de
> hollanda) is still nervous to make shows. He said after entering
> on the stage he becomes more and more nervous in the passing of
> time...

I don't understand it either. I don't like lots of people staring at me, and the idea of having 10,000 people show up and you are solely responsible for all of them leaving satisfied would make my head pop. The fact that he can do it demands respect, but he makes it look so natural that you forget it.

I can see what to do with yourself what you are established and have the masses suckered into thinking you are the greatest thing alive, but the process of arriving to that point is incomprehensible. how did the Spice Girls feel about having look-alike dolls mass marketed and sold all over the globe?

i'm used to being a nobody. I'm not used to having people that fascinated with what I do on a daily basis, so I wonder what part of you accepts all of this adulation or 5 page magazine articles with professionally made pictures done after the journalist had spent months trying to track you down. having the 15 minutes of fame is one thing, but having to convince people that you are worthy of years of time and hard earned money is another.

I can picture writing songs, but random fans flying from all over the world to have me sign a new DVD is another.

[Fabricio]

> part of a comedy routine done by the late Bill Hicks

oh, the difficulty of talking to fabricio...

> these were local people trying to do an accent and failing

hehehe! this is funny indeed!

this makes me remember our famous soap operas, when the story is about italian descendants or when the story happens distant part of Brazil: then the actors have to talk with different accents, and they fail always!

> that's a better place to be

sometimes I think so sometimes not - well, as Curitiba is not that cold houses simply have no central heating, and then we have to wear weighted clothes at home...

> not exactly. hot, humid, but at the same time, it doesn't rain
> that much

I think I have a deeper sensibility against humidity and pression than most of people I know - I always feel easier when it rains after a high pressure weather (I even forecast most of summer rains...)

> it kept crashing because of the way explorer was integrated in
> the system

oh yeah - you should to send the bill to bill gates...

> i only open it if it comes with a personalized message. I stay
> away from anything with a generic "i hope you like it"

Well, I have an adress in hotmail plenty with these messages, I don`t know why.

My other ones pratically don`t receive these kind of messages...

> Because the Germans were dirt poor after WWI and when you're
> dirt poor, anything starts looking good to you.

I don`t know - Brazilians were always dirt poor and anything so violent happened here.

> sad, but hey...we will live

I always tried to think that way if my team is in a bad position and this is correct.

But if I am happy when Coritiba is well positioned I have to be sad when it`s bad - this is a question of justice, in my opinion.

> right now, i've been working on this book called Monty Python
> Speaks! where the cast members discuss their experiences on the
> show.

> I've been reading it for a long time.

It must be very funny, isn`t it?

well, the funnier scene I have ever seen was one (I think the film was Bryan`s life) when the emperor speeched in a ridiculous voice... :-)))

> yep

Where did you find those things about Lawlers?

> they are still bad!

England people are still bad? Well, I can`t know much things about them now - but you know I like Morrissey...

> sounds about right.

> you realize america does the same thing...

against poor countries?

I don`t know if America still does these kind of things, but it`s proved CIA helped the coup d'état happened in Brazil in 1964...

> of course!

oh yeah!!!

> i'm bad in groups when my mind seems to drift off...i sort of
> get lost in the melee.

Well, but this may be a good sensation sometimes, don`t you think - if you don`t mind about other people say, of course...

> perhaps

> maybe the other person doesn't have another person.

> I personally think if he was just a little bit more bold in
> certain ways, he would be surprised to find there isn't as much
> opposition as he thinks.

perhaps the circumstances opposed them...

> if I may offer one bit of insight to what I think happens is
> that he knows, the other person knows, but he acts like the
> person doesn't know and treats them in that manner.

> To me, locking yourself in the ivory tower only to come out once
> a year to see if someone turns up is not the greatest plan as
> far as facilitating romance. If the other person "already
> knows" then doing such a thing sends out the message of
> "I don't want you here."

Exactly because his acts don`t help him to get what he wants I think the other person is probably compromised with someone else. Morrissey doesn`t seem to be an idiot. And I think he tries to conform himself with this situation - perhaps he thinks the other person is worth of his sacrifice (i would happily lose both of my legs if it meant you could be free)

> Let's face it. Being dragged out to things that are obviously
> hit and miss over where your objective is accomplished is not
> very inviting. After a while of showing up and having no
> results, your idea of the "I don't want you there" is
> a bit more solidified.

Perhaps Morrissey showed himself and had no results... but perhaps he prefers this way.

He may be different from the rest of us sometimes.

> he is a mystery, all right.

> hey, it still happens for me.

I don`t know the number of times I`ve lost my all hopes in finding someone... well, I know this is not a consolation, but things really can change.

Really. I`ve seen that so many times. It`s a question of not giving too much pressure to it.

> when i went to the renaissance festival, i was peeved that many
> of the vendors and such flirted to get people to turn over their
> wallets. Of course they didn't try it on me (although I had a
> very nice looking guy in a Beastmaster outfit give me a hug
> during the parade) but I had a couple of friends with me who
> were completely gullible. They actually let themselves be
> suckered by these guys who knew they were easy targets.

Perhaps your poor friends think is better a bad attention from someone than no attention at all.

> I actually felt bad for them, and it makes me question if my
> picture of reality is what it actually is. I've sort of assumed
> that most people have gotten too smart to fall for things like
> that, but I guess I'm wrong.

I don`t know about your friends, but I was the kind of person who always think others had good intentions, and I always try to justify everyone`s acts.

This side of me was the side that made me suffer more during all my life.

> yes, tell me about it. it must be a part of the reason i've been
> single for too long.

I really think this way - I think most men have a too sexual mind. It`s frequent among men talking about girls as if they are just their sexual organs - and they simply laugh about most opinions and feelings from girls (as the wanting of being loved for example).

It`s obvious that not all men are like that - but the number of them really scares me.

>"No, you're wrong. Let me tell you how
> it is."

> does it matter?

> that must be my myth number 2.

oh, i was just kidding...

> Yes. People think he's strange, but I think all the quirks make
> him more interesting. You obviously never know what in the heck
> he is thinking or what he's about to do.

He said recently "God forbid to be a normal person"... it`s part of his myth.

> Oh. heh.. I was about it ask if it was an Elephant skull, but
> i'm tired...

the case is that i found "scull" in a dictionary and I wrote "skull" - sometimes I am tired of myself, really.

> yes, but aren't evils a good means for miracles to take place?

yeah - but again I repeat I have never imagined something like the Holocaust really was. I am so impressed by it that I can`t think about miracles and so on - I know I`ll change my mind one day, but now it`s not happening.

> yes. i understand.

> Yes, ghosts aren't something you enjoy seeing. I've seen one or
> two of them and that's enough.

Oh yeah - sometimes before sleep I think about it and... oh, it`s terrible...

> Oh Fabricio, my voice is completely shot, and I hadn't yelled or
> sung or anything to cause it.

> i realized it that the worst part of being alone is when you are
> sick.

oh, i see... :-(((

> ah, you must forgive me. i'm kind of tired and it's been a range
> of emotions this past week.

Forgive you for what? You did nothing wrong as I saw...

> japanese sword fighting. i've never been a big fan of anger
> management or spiritual improvement through sports, but I don't
> know if it's coincidence, but it seems as if a lot of my
> outbursts have subsided. I wouldn't say I feel great, but I
> don't think I;ve been ragging on myself so much.

I understand you perfectly. When I swam I simply used my energy to something better, to something good, to make me concentrate better on things.

It impeded me to be crazy.

> One answer:

> YES

> Of course it's not bad because I'm out of school, but when you
> are in school, christ. If you were already unpopular, it gives
> the others a healthy means of giving them something else to give
> you @#!!! about.

> And let's not forget the ones who are really good in sports and
> have all of the doors open up for them socially and financially.

Well, when I watched one of those films I always thought everything was a little bit exagerated - in Brazil, at least where I have been - things are not so cruel towards the unpopular ones.

It may be an impression, but certainly Brazil is not a so competitive society as USA is (and we see it by our results in omlympics)

> are you worried?

No, it makes no difference to me if you are fat or not, really...

> i try, but around the house it's very hard because the shinai
> has some range on it and you end up knocking things

this is the problem of most of sports... knocking things!

> those people can't help it.

> today, there was a protest about the Fortune 500 companies in
> Austin. I was at home and watched the news wrap up and was
> completely peeved at our station. They show all these
> protestors, then they interview some motorists driving through
> the area who think these people are nothing but goobers, and
> then you follow it up with a heartwarming piece about
> Christopher Reeve giving an opening lecture at the conference,
> which makes the protestors look selfish and uniformed,

our press loves to show things this way too...

>but if
> our news bothered to cover the millions of people world wide who
> are poor, homeless, live in polluted areas, or had their
> families killed by American funded armies in the name of
> economic interest, I think that would have put it all into
> perspective.

hehe... there`s no doubt about it!

> yes, but this is not really the same thing. you had people at
> least interested enough in keeping the music alive

> I don't understand it either. I don't like lots of people
> staring at me, and the idea of having 10,000 people show up and
> you are solely responsible for all of them leaving satisfied
> would make my head pop. The fact that he can do it demands
> respect, but he makes it look so natural that you forget it.

yeah - but there`s always what you called natural ability. The most important brazilian TV presenter (Silvio Santos is his name) say he is shy when he talks to a single person. He may entertain all a country for hours but he is shy in private occasions!

It`s difficult to understand it, doesn`t it?

> I can see what to do with yourself what you are established and
> have the masses suckered into thinking you are the greatest
> thing alive, but the process of arriving to that point is
> incomprehensible. how did the Spice Girls feel about having
> look-alike dolls mass marketed and sold all over the globe?

Perhaps somebody trained them - I don`t know.

Or they simply think they deserve it - there are people like that...

> i'm used to being a nobody. I'm not used to having people that
> fascinated with what I do on a daily basis, so I wonder what
> part of you accepts all of this adulation or 5 page magazine
> articles with professionally made pictures done after the
> journalist had spent months trying to track you down. having the
> 15 minutes of fame is one thing, but having to convince people
> that you are worthy of years of time and hard earned money is
> another.

> I can picture writing songs, but random fans flying from all
> over the world to have me sign a new DVD is another.

Perhaps his major objective is not exactly being popular - se he may calm down and let it happen, as he is not thinking about his popularity at all.

[suzanne]

> oh, the difficulty of talking to fabricio...

don't worry. i have many english speaking people as acquaintances who don't know what I'm talking about, either.

> hehehe! this is funny indeed!

> this makes me remember our famous soap operas, when the story is
> about italian descendants or when the story happens distant part
> of Brazil: then the actors have to talk with different accents,
> and they fail always!

At the renaissance festival, it's partially that, and partially the fact that many of them imagine that everyone from that time period spoke in a boistorous Shakespearean actor type accent.

> sometimes I think so sometimes not - well, as Curitiba is not
> that cold houses simply have no central heating, and then we
> have to wear weighted clothes at home...

hmm.

it's odd, but here in the US, there are many parts up North that don't have air conditioning, but in the south we have both air conditioning and heating.

> I think I have a deeper sensibility against humidity and
> pression than most of people I know - I always feel easier when
> it rains after a high pressure weather (I even forecast most of
> summer rains...)

yes, i like the rain after it's been hot and dry for eons.

but the thing is, we also get weeks where it's over 100 degrees Farenheit in the summer. You can't go outside hardly.

> oh yeah - you should to send the bill to bill gates...

@#!!!, he doesn't care. He would pass me off as one of the whining mirority, if he ever read a letter I wrote to him at all..

> Well, I have an adress in hotmail plenty with these messages, I
> don`t know why.

Despite their warnings, hotmail must be very easy to mass email the entire planet with.

> My other ones pratically don`t receive these kind of messages...

I sometimes get 9 messages a day about descrambling cable or making lots of money, and even after all of the years of me deleting them out of my server, they STILL send them.

> I don`t know - Brazilians were always dirt poor and anything so
> violent happened here.

> I always tried to think that way if my team is in a bad position
> and this is correct.

> But if I am happy when Coritiba is well positioned I have to be
> sad when it`s bad - this is a question of justice, in my
> opinion.

> It must be very funny, isn`t it?

sort of. it tells you behind the scenes things of why they chose to do things they way they did, or why things were released in such a manner, and in the end, some things that looked like they were re-released strictly out of greed were not the case, even though on the surface that's what it looks like.

> well, the funnier scene I have ever seen was one (I think the
> film was Bryan`s life) when the emperor speeched in a ridiculous
> voice... :-)))

I saw that film once and several years ago, so I vaguely remember it.

> Where did you find those things about Lawlers?

Internet.

It's a long story of how I was researching Scottish tartans, found that the Irish have some as well, from that I found a website that had Irish clan names...because, the Irish have clans just like the Scottish.

Even though someone else's research doesn't give an exact date of when the Lawler's left Ireland (which was back in the late 1600's or early 1700's), the name is so unusual that it is only tied to that one family.

> England people are still bad? Well, I can`t know much things
> about them now - but you know I like Morrissey...

Morrissey's parents are Irish.

> against poor countries?

> I don`t know if America still does these kind of things, but
> it`s proved CIA helped the coup d'état happened in Brazil in
> 1964...

The CIA is the largest terrorist organization on this planet.

It makes me feel sorry for the Iraqi's. The only way Hussein was stupid in this entire thing was that he simply opened the door to making his country a provence of the UN.

Of course they're going to find ways that he violated the agreements! They get all of his oil.

> oh yeah!!!

> Well, but this may be a good sensation sometimes, don`t you
> think - if you don`t mind about other people say, of course...

> perhaps the circumstances opposed them...

> Exactly because his acts don`t help him to get what he wants I
> think the other person is probably compromised with someone
> else.

Thank you! Yes! I'm not the only one who sees it!

>Morrissey doesn`t seem to be an idiot. And I think he
> tries to conform himself with this situation - perhaps he thinks
> the other person is worth of his sacrifice (i would happily lose
> both of my legs if it meant you could be free)

That's very hard to say.

If he did all or nothing, like act as if his certain person didn't exist, I would tend to believe you, but he's the type who does just enough to continually hint for the attention that the message becomes jumbled.

But i can see how he might imagine that it's better to sacrifice this person because he thinks he might interfere in something else that's supposed to happen for them. AS if his own presence would ruin something that he saw as a natural progression of events, but it should only make him more doubly frustrated if things weren't going as he thought they should be.

There was a good quote in that Monty Python book about it, "changing the course of your life is like steering the Queen Elizabeth. You turn the wheel, and 20 minutes later the boat moves slightly to the right."

> Perhaps Morrissey showed himself and had no results... but
> perhaps he prefers this way.

I think he prefers to imagine something more romantic like those people living their lives like Oscar Wilde or James Dean. I think what he loves most is the dichotomy of fame and power versus their own humanity. But he needs to realize that not every tortured soul is going to write a novel....they also hold jobs at WalMart.

> He may be different from the rest of us sometimes.

> I don`t know the number of times I`ve lost my all hopes in
> finding someone... well, I know this is not a consolation, but
> things really can change.

I don't know. I keep thinking of all of the botched attempts and the freaks that I somehow attract and it's really lowered my expectations over the years.

> Really. I`ve seen that so many times. It`s a question of not
> giving too much pressure to it.

> Perhaps your poor friends think is better a bad attention from
> someone than no attention at all.

Yes, I know how she is. She perpetually falls over herself for attention from any guy. I'm just mad that these guys at the festival pick up on it and exploit it for what it's worth.

I think the big lie is that men don't know what women want. It seems to me that more of them have figured out how to give the girls exactly what they are looking for if it benefits them in some way.

don't get me wrong. I think that there are some guys who are absolutely clueless, but what i notice about these guys is that they carry themselves in a different way than the real jerks. they are usually very nice guys, but are always nervous and hardly ever date.

the ones who go from one relationship to another and supposedly still don't know anything about girls are the ones I worry about.

> I don`t know about your friends, but I was the kind of person
> who always think others had good intentions, and I always try to
> justify everyone`s acts.

I question everyone's intentions.

> This side of me was the side that made me suffer more during all
> my life.

> I really think this way - I think most men have a too sexual
> mind. It`s frequent among men talking about girls as if they are
> just their sexual organs - and they simply laugh about most
> opinions and feelings from girls (as the wanting of being loved
> for example).

yes, that's true.

> It`s obvious that not all men are like that - but the number of
> them really scares me.

> oh, i was just kidding...

> He said recently "God forbid to be a normal person"...
> it`s part of his myth.

no, i think he was telling the truth about that one.

> the case is that i found "scull" in a dictionary and I
> wrote "skull" - sometimes I am tired of myself,
> really.

i was joking.

> yeah - but again I repeat I have never imagined something like
> the Holocaust really was. I am so impressed by it that I can`t
> think about miracles and so on - I know I`ll change my mind one
> day, but now it`s not happening.

aren;t there always supposed to be battles between good and evil to reconfirm everyone's belief in the triumph of good?

> Oh yeah - sometimes before sleep I think about it and... oh,
> it`s terrible...

> oh, i see... :-(((

> Forgive you for what? You did nothing wrong as I saw...

well, i know. i was just sort of tired when i wrote that.

> I understand you perfectly. When I swam I simply used my energy
> to something better, to something good, to make me concentrate
> better on things.

> It impeded me to be crazy.

> Well, when I watched one of those films I always thought
> everything was a little bit exagerated - in Brazil, at least
> where I have been - things are not so cruel towards the
> unpopular ones.

no, it's not exaggerated at all. I think it subsides a bit once you get older, but when you are in your teens and taking part in sports in school, it's really terrible.

> It may be an impression, but certainly Brazil is not a so
> competitive society as USA is (and we see it by our results in
> omlympics)

i think the problem is that the US is too sports crazy. we put so much emphasis on it that it gets brutal.

> No, it makes no difference to me if you are fat or not,
> really...

well, i'm not, but i have been.

you get abuse if you're fat, and you get abuse if you're thin. What i've noticed is that larger people don't like you hanging around, and especially if there are guys involved.

> this is the problem of most of sports... knocking things!

> our press loves to show things this way too...

> hehe... there`s no doubt about it!

> yeah - but there`s always what you called natural ability. The
> most important brazilian TV presenter (Silvio Santos is his
> name) say he is shy when he talks to a single person. He may
> entertain all a country for hours but he is shy in private
> occasions!

enertaining a crowd is completely different than being privately open to a person. when you are on stage, you are showing the world a different part of yourself than when you sit down with them and discuss what's going on.

> It`s difficult to understand it, doesn`t it?

> Perhaps somebody trained them - I don`t know.

> Or they simply think they deserve it - there are people like
> that...

> Perhaps his major objective is not exactly being popular - se he
> may calm down and let it happen, as he is not thinking about his
> popularity at all.

I guess. But at one time, he did want to become the most popular person out there.

[Fabricio]

hello suzanne!

i`m glad i`m talking to you again - i had new problems with viroses, you know...

>

> > oh, the difficulty of talking to fabricio...
>
> don't worry. i have many english speaking people as acquaintances who don't
> know what I'm talking about, either.

:-)))

and what do you think about that?

>
> > hehehe! this is funny indeed!
>
> > this makes me remember our famous soap operas, when the story is
> > about italian descendants or when the story happens distant part
> > of Brazil: then the actors have to talk with different accents,
> > and they fail always!
>
> At the renaissance festival, it's partially that, and partially the fact
> that many of them imagine that everyone from that time period spoke in a
> boistorous Shakespearean actor type accent.

oh really...

but does somebody know how renaissance people talked?

>
> > sometimes I think so sometimes not - well, as Curitiba is not
> > that cold houses simply have no central heating, and then we
> > have to wear weighted clothes at home...
>
> hmm.
>
> it's odd, but here in the US, there are many parts up North that don't have
> air conditioning, but in the south we have both air conditioning and
> heating.

i think in brazil the thing is similar: in the north (hotter) there are lots of places with air conditioning, differently from here.

but i do understand - the center and the north of brazil is really TOOO hot.
>
> > I think I have a deeper sensibility against humidity and
> > pression than most of people I know - I always feel easier when
> > it rains after a high pressure weather (I even forecast most of
> > summer rains...)
>
> yes, i like the rain after it's been hot and dry for eons.
>
> but the thing is, we also get weeks where it's over 100 degrees Farenheit in
> the summer. You can't go outside hardly.

oh, i really forgot my calculator at work...

i really don`t remember by heart how we convert farenheit to celsius...:-))

but 100 F seems hot...
>
> > oh yeah - you should to send the bill to bill gates...
>
> @#!!!, he doesn't care. He would pass me off as one of the whining mirority,
> if he ever read a letter I wrote to him at all..

oh, bill gates is a bastard - and i had a friend who always defended him... but after some time even he began to have doubts about gates...

>
> > Well, I have an adress in hotmail plenty with these messages, I
> > don`t know why.
>
> Despite their warnings, hotmail must be very easy to mass email the entire
> planet with.

oh yeah - but i think yahoo is much much better! they give more space to us too.

>
> > My other ones pratically don`t receive these kind of messages...
>
> I sometimes get 9 messages a day about descrambling cable or making lots of
> money, and even after all of the years of me deleting them out of my server,
> they STILL send them.

it`s unbelievable - i deleted all my messages a week ago and today i have 140 new messages at hotmail. I can`t believe how they do that.
>
> > I don`t know - Brazilians were always dirt poor and anything so
> > violent happened here.
>
> > I always tried to think that way if my team is in a bad position
> > and this is correct.
>
> > But if I am happy when Coritiba is well positioned I have to be
> > sad when it`s bad - this is a question of justice, in my
> > opinion.
>
> > It must be very funny, isn`t it?
>
> sort of. it tells you behind the scenes things of why they chose to do
> things they way they did, or why things were released in such a manner, and
> in the end, some things that looked like they were re-released strictly out
> of greed were not the case, even though on the surface that's what it looks
> like.

oh, strictly a documentary then.

i watched recently one about groucho marx - he was so funny (and irritating too)
>
> > well, the funnier scene I have ever seen was one (I think the
> > film was Bryan`s life) when the emperor speeched in a ridiculous
> > voice... :-)))
>
> I saw that film once and several years ago, so I vaguely remember it.

i had it recorded, what i don`t use to do - that`s why i remember by heart the most funnier scenes.
>
> > Where did you find those things about Lawlers?
>
> Internet.
>
> It's a long story of how I was researching Scottish tartans, found that the
> Irish have some as well, from that I found a website that had Irish clan
> names...because, the Irish have clans just like the Scottish.

oh! interesting!

well, perhaps i`ll have to find some müllers then - but i think i`ll find informations just in german...
>
> Even though someone else's research doesn't give an exact date of when the
> Lawler's left Ireland (which was back in the late 1600's or early 1700's),
> the name is so unusual that it is only tied to that one family.

oh, this is good - i doubt it about the müllers (but probably this is the case of bruzamolins - the bruzamolins may be written as brusamolins with a "s", as this case of mistake is very common here, because brazilians didn`t know how to write immigrants names. So they wrote wrongly.)
>
> > England people are still bad? Well, I can`t know much things
> > about them now - but you know I like Morrissey...
>
> Morrissey's parents are Irish.

oh, so irish are good people then?

>
> > against poor countries?
>
> > I don`t know if America still does these kind of things, but
> > it`s proved CIA helped the coup d'état happened in Brazil in
> > 1964...
>
> The CIA is the largest terrorist organization on this planet.
>
> It makes me feel sorry for the Iraqi's. The only way Hussein was stupid in
> this entire thing was that he simply opened the door to making his country a
> provence of the UN.

but if he didn`t do it he would be killed, wouldn`t he?

anyway, i don`t like him all the same - he didn`t have good intentions when he invaded kuwait.

>
> Of course they're going to find ways that he violated the agreements! They
> get all of his oil.
>
> > oh yeah!!!
>
> > Well, but this may be a good sensation sometimes, don`t you
> > think - if you don`t mind about other people say, of course...
>
> > perhaps the circumstances opposed them...
>
> > Exactly because his acts don`t help him to get what he wants I
> > think the other person is probably compromised with someone
> > else.
>
> Thank you! Yes! I'm not the only one who sees it!

what? are you saying other people just think morrissey has a normal life? he is the first in denying it.

>
> >Morrissey doesn`t seem to be an idiot. And I think he
> > tries to conform himself with this situation - perhaps he thinks
> > the other person is worth of his sacrifice (i would happily lose
> > both of my legs if it meant you could be free)
>
> That's very hard to say.
>
> If he did all or nothing, like act as if his certain person didn't exist, I
> would tend to believe you, but he's the type who does just enough to
> continually hint for the attention that the message becomes jumbled.

i`m not sure as always, but perhaps the other person understand his messages...
>
> But i can see how he might imagine that it's better to sacrifice this person
> because he thinks he might interfere in something else that's supposed to
> happen for them.

ok - but perhaps he interferes for the things to happen.

>AS if his own presence would ruin something that he saw as
> a natural progression of events, but it should only make him more doubly
> frustrated if things weren't going as he thought they should be.

ok, but if his way of acting interferes in other`s lifes, then he could be sure things happen the way he wants.

>
> There was a good quote in that Monty Python book about it, "changing the
> course of your life is like steering the Queen Elizabeth. You turn the
> wheel, and 20 minutes later the boat moves slightly to the right."

hehehe... but perhaps this is not the case of morrissey - it always seems to me that he has a almost complete control about the facts in his life - he said once everything in his life was plannes...

>
> > Perhaps Morrissey showed himself and had no results... but
> > perhaps he prefers this way.
>
> I think he prefers to imagine something more romantic like those people
> living their lives like Oscar Wilde or James Dean. I think what he loves
> most is the dichotomy of fame and power versus their own humanity. But he
> needs to realize that not every tortured soul is going to write a
> novel

i`m not so sure about it - sometimes he just seem very strong, you know.

>....they also hold jobs at WalMart.

oh, great!

>
> > He may be different from the rest of us sometimes.
>
> > I don`t know the number of times I`ve lost my all hopes in
> > finding someone... well, I know this is not a consolation, but
> > things really can change.
>
> I don't know. I keep thinking of all of the botched attempts and the freaks
> that I somehow attract and it's really lowered my expectations over the
> years.

oh, this happened to me exactly the same way. I liked some (at least i thought so) very interesting girls but only the idiots liked me...

>
> > Really. I`ve seen that so many times. It`s a question of not
> > giving too much pressure to it.
>
> > Perhaps your poor friends think is better a bad attention from
> > someone than no attention at all.
>
> Yes, I know how she is. She perpetually falls over herself for attention
> from any guy. I'm just mad that these guys at the festival pick up on it and
> exploit it for what it's worth.

oh really - this is the way most men act.

>
> I think the big lie is that men don't know what women want. It seems to me
> that more of them have figured out how to give the girls exactly what they
> are looking for if it benefits them in some way.

and not because they think women deserve what they want, don`t you think?

normally men just want a thing: sex - but they are stupid, because women are much much more than that. But most men simply can`t (or don`t want to) see it.

>
> don't get me wrong. I think that there are some guys who are absolutely
> clueless, but what i notice about these guys is that they carry themselves
> in a different way than the real jerks. they are usually very nice guys, but
> are always nervous and hardly ever date.

that`s true.

i think i was someway one of these guys, because i was always nervous and i almost never dated.

but if i have to defend some of these guys, i would say most of the society simply don`t agree the way they act: society wants a strong and masculine and hard man, but they simply aren`t like that, so they get nervous because they think they are wrong - but they aren`t.

and i don`t know in america, but in brazil there are lots of girls who like stupid and hard men...

>
> the ones who go from one relationship to another and supposedly still don't
> know anything about girls are the ones I worry about.

in most cases they simply don`t want to know anything about girls...

>
> > This side of me was the side that made me suffer more during all
> > my life.
>
> > I really think this way - I think most men have a too sexual
> > mind. It`s frequent among men talking about girls as if they are
> > just their sexual organs - and they simply laugh about most
> > opinions and feelings from girls (as the wanting of being loved
> > for example).
>
> yes, that's true.

oh, this is terrible...

>
>
> > He said recently "God forbid to be a normal person"...
> > it`s part of his myth.
>
> no, i think he was telling the truth about that one.

but why should he be that way?
>
> > the case is that i found "scull" in a dictionary and I
> > wrote "skull" - sometimes I am tired of myself,
> > really.
>
> i was joking.

oh, great!

>
> > yeah - but again I repeat I have never imagined something like
> > the Holocaust really was. I am so impressed by it that I can`t
> > think about miracles and so on - I know I`ll change my mind one
> > day, but now it`s not happening.
>
> aren;t there always supposed to be battles between good and evil to
> reconfirm everyone's belief in the triumph of good?

oh, really.

it`s strange but yesterday it was the first time i thought about nazism as something that really finished.

perhaps i`m recovering my faith.

>
> > Well, when I watched one of those films I always thought
> > everything was a little bit exagerated - in Brazil, at least
> > where I have been - things are not so cruel towards the
> > unpopular ones.
>
> no, it's not exaggerated at all. I think it subsides a bit once you get older, but when you are in your teens and taking part in sports in school, it's really terrible.

the funny thing is that i was one of these guys that made sports when i was teenager - and no, the only difference among me and the other guys is that i considered myselef in a lower place.

>
> > It may be an impression, but certainly Brazil is not a so
> > competitive society as USA is (and we see it by our results in
> > omlympics)
>
> i think the problem is that the US is too sports crazy. we put so much emphasis on it that it gets brutal.

and most sports american like are brutal, aren`t they?

it`s strange for us the american female like soccer - it is an almost completely masculine sport for us.

>
> > No, it makes no difference to me if you are fat or not,
> > really...
>
> well, i'm not, but i ha
> ve been.
>
> you get abuse if you're fat, and you get abuse if you're thin. What i've
> noticed is that larger people don't like you hanging around, and especially
> if there are guys involved.

oh really? i didn`t know it.

it seems that there are too many fat people in america, isn`t it?

i think fatness is not so common here.

>
>
> > yeah - but there`s always what you called natural ability. The
> > most important brazilian TV presenter (Silvio Santos is his
> > name) say he is shy when he talks to a single person. He may
> > entertain all a country for hours but he is shy in private
> > occasions!
>
> enertaining a crowd is completely different than being privately open to a
> person. when you are on stage, you are showing the world a different part of
> yourself than when you sit down with them and discuss what's going on.

yeah... well, i`m remebering now that when i was younger i was so shy privately... and i got nervous but i did good speeches at school!

>
> > Perhaps his major objective is not exactly being popular - se he
> > may calm down and let it happen, as he is not thinking about his
> > popularity at all.
>
> I guess. But at one time, he did want to become the most popular person out
> there.

when a person has an objective sometimes things come easier in attainig another one.

[suzanne]

> hello suzanne!

> i`m glad i`m talking to you again - i had new problems with
> viroses, you know...

yes, they are little buggers, aren't they? I think i managed to sucessfully defend myself from the on-slaught of one. completely deleted the link attached. it's just asking for trouble.

> :-)))

> and what do you think about that?

it's not language, but other things that make people talk right past one another.

> oh really...

> but does somebody know how renaissance people talked?

i'm sure linguists do.

> i think in brazil the thing is similar: in the north (hotter)
> there are lots of places with air conditioning, differently from
> here.

i wish i could live in a place that didn't require air conditioning. but I do. hotter than hell around here.

> but i do understand - the center and the north of brazil is
> really TOOO hot.

> oh, i really forgot my calculator at work...

> i really don`t remember by heart how we convert farenheit to
> celsius...:-))

I don't either. I don't really use celsius. i think i had to use it once about 10 years ago in a science class.

> but 100 F seems hot...

> oh, bill gates is a bastard - and i had a friend who always
> defended him... but after some time even he began to have doubts
> about gates...

we should all have our doubts about someone who sells an inferior product and there is no one around to challenge it with an alternative.

> oh yeah - but i think yahoo is much much better! they give more
> space to us too.

i don't really use web based email. it might come in handy should i go out of town, but i never go anywhere.

> it`s unbelievable - i deleted all my messages a week ago and
> today i have 140 new messages at hotmail. I can`t believe how
> they do that.

it gets really old.

> oh, strictly a documentary then.

> i watched recently one about groucho marx - he was so funny (and
> irritating too)

i personally liked harpo the best. He's got the best goofy faces. He also cracks me up when he gets the scissors out.

> i had it recorded, what i don`t use to do - that`s why i
> remember by heart the most funnier scenes.

i've seen the Holy Grail enough to kill half of my brain cells, and I still don't own it. I ended up with many of the episodes on tape and I quite like to watch those. I went as Professor Gumby last year for Halloween. It's not very sexy, but I was willing to suffer for art.

> oh! interesting!

> well, perhaps i`ll have to find some müllers then - but i think
> i`ll find informations just in german...

No, you'll find it in lots of languages because Germans descendants are all over the world.

Weirdly enough, I remember reading that Muller translates into "Miller" which isn't that sort of similar to bruzamolins? You really have a running theme with your last name. Sort of like the sign of the apocalypse or something or other.

> oh, this is good - i doubt it about the müllers (but probably
> this is the case of bruzamolins - the bruzamolins may be written
> as brusamolins with a "s", as this case of mistake is
> very common here, because brazilians didn`t know how to write
> immigrants names. So they wrote wrongly.)

Happens all over the place.

I was let down when I found out someone had done some crummy research on another branch of my family. I had gone for a long time thinking I was related to this one family who came over around 1610, but it's not the case. Turns out that it's the step mom of my great-great-great, so no actual relation.

I guess I can forgive them. When you are dealing with records dating around the year 1800, we should expect them to be crummy. It's not like I'm doing any better myself.

> oh, so irish are good people then?

Haven't you seen Braveheart?

Oops, Scottish.

You see, Fabricio, the difference between movies about Ireland and Scotland is that they are afraid to make ones celebrating patriots of Ireland because it might irk the people in Northern Ireland and remind them how much england sucks.

We don't see anything about the Welsh because everyone's forgotten about them.

> but if he didn`t do it he would be killed, wouldn`t he?

> anyway, i don`t like him all the same - he didn`t have good
> intentions when he invaded kuwait.

yes, but the odd thing was the US was his big ally back in the 1980's. It's purely economic that we keep the middle Easterners pissed off and at war with each other.

> what? are you saying other people just think morrissey has a
> normal life? he is the first in denying it.

no. if you read the accounts of the signing, it sounded hellish.

But on the other hand, what could anyone expect? We already knew the Californian fans were idiots. That made the security necessary or he would have been there until 2PM the next day listening to some girl's rock opera based on the story of his life.

I feel bad. Maybe he wanted to reach out just a little bit more, but seeing all these crying faces being paraded in front of you, shaking in anticipation only to watch them all be pushed away by security dejected that their brain didn't work and they couldn't remember what they wanted to say has got to be a real downer.

> i`m not sure as always, but perhaps the other person understand
> his messages...

i wish.

> ok - but perhaps he interferes for the things to happen.

> ok, but if his way of acting interferes in other`s lifes, then
> he could be sure things happen the way he wants.

depends on what he wants. i wish there was a way to bring it all together for him.

> hehehe... but perhaps this is not the case of morrissey - it
> always seems to me that he has a almost complete control about
> the facts in his life - he said once everything in his life was
> plannes...

that would be so great wouldn't it? But does he mean planned by himself, or by an external force.

> i`m not so sure about it - sometimes he just seem very strong,
> you know.

> oh, great!

> oh, this happened to me exactly the same way. I liked some (at
> least i thought so) very interesting girls but only the idiots
> liked me...

i'm a little bit off-center from last night.

i got invited along to a birthday gathering. there is one guy in the group who asked me out, and I didn't know what to say.

the whole story is that i've known him through a friend for just a little bit, but i never put him on my list of likely targets because it felt like whenever I said anything, he would look at me like I had worms crawling out of my ears.

He sort of hit on me at the renaissance festival, but i chalked it up to him being drunk and brushed it off. but no. i'm not sure exactly what is going on, but my friend decided that she needed to play cupid. she kept nagging me about it before we left the house last night, and I just put her off because i really wasn't interested, and when we got to the place, she kept nagging him until he asked.

he supposedly thinks i'm cool, but that's just a bit mind boggling since i haven't really had a full conversation with him.

i'm suspicious of why she did it. it's not in her character to do something like this. either way, i don't know what to do. have you seen the movie "Wayne's World"? I've decided I resemble the Garth when it comes to dating.

> oh really - this is the way most men act.

> and not because they think women deserve what they want, don`t
> you think?

> normally men just want a thing: sex - but they are stupid,
> because women are much much more than that. But most men simply
> can`t (or don`t want to) see it.

i think you are completely wrong. I've seen more men completely busted up over a relationship than girls.

> that`s true.

> i think i was someway one of these guys, because i was always
> nervous and i almost never dated.

> but if i have to defend some of these guys, i would say most of
> the society simply don`t agree the way they act: society wants a
> strong and masculine and hard man, but they simply aren`t like
> that, so they get nervous because they think they are wrong -
> but they aren`t.

> and i don`t know in america, but in brazil there are lots of
> girls who like stupid and hard men...

> in most cases they simply don`t want to know anything about
> girls...

> oh, this is terrible...

> but why should he be that way?

> oh, great!

> oh, really.

> it`s strange but yesterday it was the first time i thought about
> nazism as something that really finished.

there are the neo-nazis.

> perhaps i`m recovering my faith.

> the funny thing is that i was one of these guys that made sports
> when i was teenager - and no, the only difference among me and
> the other guys is that i considered myselef in a lower place.

i never really rank myself high on any of those things. i did have problems with asthma a bit and anything that involved any amount of running was too much.

> and most sports american like are brutal, aren`t they?

i think americans like the sort of football we play because it is treated like a war with strategies and deceptions.

> it`s strange for us the american female like soccer - it is an
> almost completely masculine sport for us.

i played soccer on the kiddie league when i was about 7. I was allowed to play in the game only once in a while because even though I didn't really have asthma at that point, I did have some problems related to it such as not really having any sort of stamina to run that far because i became winded too easily, and spent half of the season sick with a cold. My parents wouldn't let me sign up the next year.

> oh really? i didn`t know it.

> it seems that there are too many fat people in america, isn`t
> it?

we have more fat people in america than any other nation on earth,

and to throw another loop, the discrimination against them is terrible.

> i think fatness is not so common here.

when i stayed in Scotland, it was easier to keep thin because you had to walk everywhere and the food was normal size proportions, etc. Americans are lazy. They don't even take the stairs to get some minor exercise in, and when people found out that I liked to go walking during lunch, you could tell that they thought I was insane.

> yeah... well, i`m remebering now that when i was younger i was
> so shy privately... and i got nervous but i did good speeches at
> school!

oh, i did poorly at them. any time i go on stage by myself, i fall apart.

> when a person has an objective sometimes things come easier in
> attainig another one.

maybe. but I get overwhelmed and don't know where to begin.

speaking of more shot-down things. the band thing is definitely not going to happen.

[Fabricio]

> yes, they are little buggers, aren't they? I think i managed to
> sucessfully defend myself from the on-slaught of one. completely
> deleted the link attached. it's just asking for trouble.

this is really a good thing to do. I should have done more this i nmy
past...

> it's not language, but other things that make people talk right
> past one another.

> i'm sure linguists do.

how can they do it? it seems a so difficult thing to do.

anyway, i read somewhere linguists still don`t know how the letter C was pronounced in ancient latin.

> i wish i could live in a place that didn't require air
> conditioning. but I do. hotter than hell around here.

today in curitiba the weather is just like that. Now is 2 a.m. and it`s too hot.

but i just need to remember the cold i`ve passed this year to say today the weather is excellent.

> I don't either. I don't really use celsius. i think i had to use
> it once about 10 years ago in a science class.

that`s exactly what happen with me and the fahrenheit.

and now i`m having my calculator: 100F = 37.78C. This is too much hot
indeed!

> we should all have our doubts about someone who sells an
> inferior product and there is no one around to challenge it with
> an alternative.

that`s true - and the thing he made with netscape was horrible, wasn`t it?

but i read in an interview the president of oracle saying the bill gates will be less and less important in the future - he definetly hates bill gates.

> i don't really use web based email. it might come in handy
> should i go out of town, but i never go anywhere.

this is my case too.

and my email (uol.com.br) can be accessed by web as well - anyway, i`m
seeing the importance of web based mail is that you don`t lose your past mails when a virus arrive.

> it gets really old.

really.

> i personally liked harpo the best. He's got the best goofy
> faces. He also cracks me up when he gets the scissors out.

i`ve seeing in fact very few films of the marx brothers - and when somebody makes a documentary about them always the great groucho phrases come in the first place

> i've seen the Holy Grail enough to kill half of my brain cells,
> and I still don't own it. I ended up with many of the episodes
> on tape and I quite like to watch those.

holy grail is a film, isn`t it? which episodes are you referring of?

>I went as Professor
> Gumby last year for Halloween. It's not very sexy, but I was
> willing to suffer for art.

:-)))

> No, you'll find it in lots of languages because Germans
> descendants are all over the world.

i`ve heard something about it - it seems that the German descendants in chile are a great percentage of the country`s population.

> Weirdly enough, I remember reading that Muller translates into
> "Miller" which isn't that sort of similar to
> bruzamolins?

yes, this is a really strange thing, that a bruzamolin and a müller went to marry in curitiba, brazil.

>You really have a running theme with your last
> name. Sort of like the sign of the apocalypse or something or
> other.

hehehe...

in fact this meant that my mother and my problems did have problems in their relationship...

> Happens all over the place.

> I was let down when I found out someone had done some crummy
> research on another branch of my family. I had gone for a long
> time thinking I was related to this one family who came over
> around 1610, but it's not the case. Turns out that it's the step
> mom of my great-great-great, so no actual relation.

oh, stepmothers really seems to make part of the family, but they aren`t.

my father`s wife had a stepmother who was jew - as i feel myself a little bit jew sometimes (i really seem a little bit jew) i liked it.

> I guess I can forgive them. When you are dealing with records
> dating around the year 1800, we should expect them to be crummy.
> It's not like I'm doing any better myself.

oh, no doubt about it.

> Haven't you seen Braveheart?

no, but i know a little bit what`s about.

> Oops, Scottish.

> You see, Fabricio, the difference between movies about Ireland
> and Scotland is that they are afraid to make ones celebrating
> patriots of Ireland because it might irk the people in Northern
> Ireland and remind them how much england sucks.

hehehe...

well, but perhaps they don`t make films celebrating patriots of ireland because they are affraid of exciting the sentiment of war.

> We don't see anything about the Welsh because everyone's
> forgotten about them.

ok, but it seems sooo difficult, isn`t it? i would be glad of forgetting it :-)

> yes, but the odd thing was the US was his big ally back in the
> 1980's. It's purely economic that we keep the middle Easterners
> pissed off and at war with each other.

oh, there`s no doubt about it - americans weren`t very preoccupied with ethics when they made a war against iraq - if so, they wouldn`t permit what milosevic did in yugoslavia during so much time.

anyway, at least they did something against milosevic in the end - and they
help our dictatorship to finish. The american imperialism doesn`t seem as bad as it was before.

and we can`t never forget what would be a german nazi imperialism.

> no. if you read the accounts of the signing, it sounded hellish.

why?

unfortunately i don`t have the time to read things in internet as i had before, when i worked to state.

> But on the other hand, what could anyone expect? We already knew
> the Californian fans were idiots. That made the security
> necessary or he would have been there until 2PM the next day
> listening to some girl's rock opera based on the story of his
> life.

but there`s no doubt about it! there`s a single morrissey for so many fans!

it`s obvious, i know it, but if somebody forgets the common sense will be forgot too.

> I feel bad. Maybe he wanted to reach out just a little bit more,
> but seeing all these crying faces being paraded in front of you,
> shaking in anticipation only to watch them all be pushed away by
> security dejected that their brain didn't work and they couldn't
> remember what they wanted to say has got to be a real downer.

it seems a difficult situation really - anyway, it`s difficult to me to imagine such a thing.

> i wish.

me too.

> depends on what he wants. i wish there was a way to bring it all
> together for him.

unfortunately, in earth there`s no way of bringing all things together for anyone. Everybody has some frustrations.

> that would be so great wouldn't it? But does he mean planned by
> himself, or by an external force.

i`m not sure, but it seems he planned all his life himself.

> i'm a little bit off-center from last night.

> i got invited along to a birthday gathering. there is one guy in
> the group who asked me out, and I didn't know what to say.

> the whole story is that i've known him through a friend for just
> a little bit, but i never put him on my list of likely targets
> because it felt like whenever I said anything, he would look at
> me like I had worms crawling out of my ears.

it happened sometimes that some girl watched to me this way and after it i knew she liked me - but shyness made her act this way.

> He sort of hit on me at the renaissance festival, but i chalked
> it up to him being drunk and brushed it off. but no. i'm not
> sure exactly what is going on, but my friend decided that she
> needed to play cupid. she kept nagging me about it before we
> left the house last night, and I just put her off because i
> really wasn't interested, and when we got to the place, she kept
> nagging him until he asked.

i did the cupid sometimes too - sometimes we do it just because we love to see other people happy.

> he supposedly thinks i'm cool, but that's just a bit mind
> boggling since i haven't really had a full conversation with
> him.

for example, i don`t need to have a full conversation with a person to think he/she is cool or not - we can sympatize with others just after a little talk or look.

> i'm suspicious of why she did it. it's not in her character to
> do something like this. either way, i don't know what to do.
> have you seen the movie "Wayne's World"? I've decided
> I resemble the Garth when it comes to dating.

heheh... well, i think you won`t have a great success this way... :-)

anyway, am i wrong or you kind of like this guy? if so, perhaps you should give him a chance. If not, well, you simply have to say no.

but i have this impression you like him someway.

nothing to do with that, but this night i dreamt i was alone, and that i had
to find somebody again. This is weird because i have this dream at least each eight or nine months.

> i think you are completely wrong. I've seen more men completely
> busted up over a relationship than girls.

perhaps i am really wrong here.

if so, that`s because most men say they are much more "macho" men than they are in reality - what really makes sense, and makes the wholle thing sadder yet.

> there are the neo-nazis.

i don`t think they are so dangerous today...

am i correct?

> i never really rank myself high on any of those things. i did
> have problems with asthma a bit and anything that involved any
> amount of running was too much.

are you cured from your asthma?

> i think americans like the sort of football we play because it
> is treated like a war with strategies and deceptions.

oh yeah - the few times i watched it by tv i liked it just because of that.

> i played soccer on the kiddie league when i was about 7. I was
> allowed to play in the game only once in a while because even
> though I didn't really have asthma at that point, I did have
> some problems related to it such as not really having any sort
> of stamina to run that far because i became winded too easily,
> and spent half of the season sick with a cold. My parents
> wouldn't let me sign up the next year.

oh, this seems to be sad... :-(

> we have more fat people in america than any other nation on
> earth,

> and to throw another loop, the discrimination against them is
> terrible.

yeah, america seems the land of fat people and the land of health generation too - this has to bring problems.

> when i stayed in Scotland, it was easier to keep thin because
> you had to walk everywhere and the food was normal size
> proportions, etc.

i see - everybody says how european people are astonished by our meat
restaurants (the "churrascarias") where we can eat TOO MUCH meat. It seems in europe they never see so many meat as we sell in our restaurants.

and we never see a fat person in european documentarys or films.

> Americans are lazy. They don't even take the
> stairs to get some minor exercise in, and when people found out
> that I liked to go walking during lunch, you could tell that
> they thought I was insane.

the same nation is so obsessed by sports are too lazy. Perhaps a thing
compensates the other.

> oh, i did poorly at them. any time i go on stage by myself, i
> fall apart.

well, i was so nervous i don`t know how i continued just the end.

anyway, when i defended my M.Sc. thesis i really entered in panic - i think got my approbation because of the dissertation, because the speech was really horrible.

> maybe. but I get overwhelmed and don't know where to begin.

oh...:-(

> speaking of more shot-down things. the band thing is definitely
> not going to happen.

this is really sad. Sometimes we think the best thing is just to give up, don`t we?

but i`m not so sure this is your case - perhaps this is a sign to you simply try to calm down.

[suzanne]

> this is really a good thing to do. I should have done more this
> i nmy
> past...

trust no one, Fabricio. Especially when they come bearing gifts for no reason.

> how can they do it? it seems a so difficult thing to do.

> anyway, i read somewhere linguists still don`t know how the
> letter C was pronounced in ancient latin.

and they have all the other letters figured out? that's pretty amazing.

> today in curitiba the weather is just like that. Now is 2 a.m.
> and it`s too hot.

wow. i didn't realize how much further ahead y'all were in your time from me.

> but i just need to remember the cold i`ve passed this year to
> say today the weather is excellent.

that's right...i must remember the seasons are opposite of the northern hemisphere.

now, you will get a nice summertime christmas.

> that`s exactly what happen with me and the fahrenheit.

> and now i`m having my calculator: 100F = 37.78C. This is too
> much hot
> indeed!

...and wait, it gets hotter!

> that`s true - and the thing he made with netscape was horrible,
> wasn`t it?

i don't know what he did with netscape. he did explorer.

> but i read in an interview the president of oracle saying the
> bill gates will be less and less important in the future - he
> definetly hates bill gates.

that's good, but you have to question the forces that allowed Bill to get to the point he was at before people said it was too much.

> this is my case too.

> and my email (uol.com.br) can be accessed by web as well -
> anyway, i`m
> seeing the importance of web based mail is that you don`t lose
> your past mails when a virus arrive.

hmm.. yes, i did lose all of my email in a freaky thing once. wasn't pleasant when 2 years of correspondence disappear.

> really.

> i`ve seeing in fact very few films of the marx brothers - and
> when somebody makes a documentary about them always the great
> groucho phrases come in the first place

you have to see "Duck Soup". To me, it's one of their best.

> holy grail is a film, isn`t it? which episodes are you referring
> of?

The Holy Grail was Monty Python's first movie.

> :-)))

> i`ve heard something about it - it seems that the German
> descendants in chile are a great percentage of the country`s
> population.

The Europeans spread like viruses....

> yes, this is a really strange thing, that a bruzamolin and a
> müller went to marry in curitiba, brazil.

So, I really don't know how to ask it, but do you try to honor the original German pronunciation, or has it been sucked into the Brazilian way of pronouncing it?

I insist on saying my name correctly, but nobody understands what I'm on about.

> hehehe...

> in fact this meant that my mother and my problems did have
> problems in their relationship...

doesn't it always happen?

> oh, stepmothers really seems to make part of the family, but
> they aren`t.

i guess especially back in the good old days when EVERYONE was married. I've lots of ancestors who were married about 4 times. One guy was 73, had a wife who was 35, and had a child of about 4 months old according to some info I found.

I wonder what that's like.

> my father`s wife had a stepmother who was jew - as i feel myself
> a little bit jew sometimes (i really seem a little bit jew) i
> liked it.

it's nice to have those little things lurking about.

> oh, no doubt about it.

> no, but i know a little bit what`s about.

> hehehe...

> well, but perhaps they don`t make films celebrating patriots of
> ireland because they are affraid of exciting the sentiment of
> war.

yes. that's what I'm saying.

Did you realize that during the Potato Blight that while lots of people were starving that the English could have sent food to help out, but they didn't? And this in the end was what helped the Irish finally decide to get rid of the English?

> ok, but it seems sooo difficult, isn`t it? i would be glad of
> forgetting it :-)

> oh, there`s no doubt about it - americans weren`t very
> preoccupied with ethics when they made a war against iraq - if
> so, they wouldn`t permit what milosevic did in yugoslavia during
> so much time.

Actually, I heard that America was instrumental in helping that situation arise.

> anyway, at least they did something against milosevic in the end
> - and they
> help our dictatorship to finish. The american imperialism
> doesn`t seem as bad as it was before.

I don't know. Did you know that over 1 million Iraqi civillians have died from sanctions after the war? According to the international laws, we're not supposed to do things that declare war on the citizens.

> and we can`t never forget what would be a german nazi
> imperialism.

> why?

I don't know. To me, anything with so much emotional tension is very scary.

> unfortunately i don`t have the time to read things in internet
> as i had before, when i worked to state.

> but there`s no doubt about it! there`s a single morrissey for so
> many fans!

oh well. he does the best that he can, eh? He's definitely more gracious about it than I would have been. I would have either run in panic or completely broke down in front of everyone.

> it`s obvious, i know it, but if somebody forgets the common
> sense will be forgot too.

> it seems a difficult situation really - anyway, it`s difficult
> to me to imagine such a thing.

> me too.

> unfortunately, in earth there`s no way of bringing all things
> together for anyone. Everybody has some frustrations.

> i`m not sure, but it seems he planned all his life himself.

i have to agree there. he's like the Terminator. He won't stop.

> it happened sometimes that some girl watched to me this way and
> after it i knew she liked me - but shyness made her act this
> way.

> i did the cupid sometimes too - sometimes we do it just because
> we love to see other people happy.

I don't know about this. I've never liked this web of other people sitting around and trying to take part. It makes me embarassed.

> for example, i don`t need to have a full conversation with a
> person to think he/she is cool or not - we can sympatize with
> others just after a little talk or look.

i would not have thought by the way he acted.

> heheh... well, i think you won`t have a great success this
> way... :-)

true, but to me, most of the time when people ask i get the same reaction as if I was standing on a ledge and going to jump.

> anyway, am i wrong or you kind of like this guy? if so, perhaps
> you should give him a chance. If not, well, you simply have to
> say no.

> but i have this impression you like him someway.

not actually. he's a nice guy, but I don't know.

anyway, it doesn't matter. i never heard from him. i'm sitting at home, drinking tea, listening to Johnny Cash, and I almost entertained the idea of locating my friends except i don't really feel up to seeing anyone.

this is sad. i'm nearly 26 and still like this. it's never going to get better, is it?

> nothing to do with that, but this night i dreamt i was alone,
> and that i had
> to find somebody again. This is weird because i have this dream
> at least each eight or nine months.

funny. i had a dream about unloading my dishwasher and there was a neverending supply of utensils!

anyway, i guess it would be hard to get started over again after you've been married....unless you hated that person, but having all those years of living with someone and them knowing all your quirks, it must be hard to re-start.

> perhaps i am really wrong here.

> if so, that`s because most men say they are much more
> "macho" men than they are in reality - what really
> makes sense, and makes the wholle thing sadder yet.

men can afford the macho front, but then it starts making them want to make sure that they do own the person they are living with.

again, if men starting to discuss something more than sex amongst themselves, aren't they considered weak?

> i don`t think they are so dangerous today...

> am i correct?

> are you cured from your asthma?

not exactly. i haven't had a real attack of it in years, but I have all the other ailments that come with it such as bronchitis that pops up on occasion, and i still don't really last for any length of time if the physical activity is involved even though I walk and stuff quite a bit.

> oh yeah - the few times i watched it by tv i liked it just
> because of that.

it's sort of like how the Romans liked to watch slaves and such kill each other in the colosseum. we get to thrill to millitary strategy.

> oh, this seems to be sad... :-(

i'm used to it. it was simply my miserable introduction into the land of sports.

but as you said, americans put so much emphasis that even on the 7 year old level, the coaches are feeling pressure only to let the stars play, and let the rest of us stand on some place on the field where we wouldn't get in the way of the others. i remember when our team came in first and we all got medals for it I felt nothing because i knew i had no hand in it.

> yeah, america seems the land of fat people and the land of
> health generation too - this has to bring problems.

to me, America is the land of not accepting the reality of the situation. People tune into the news and they hear a story about the new miracle cure for fat. People then get incredibly starry eyed and think, "oh, if I eat oat bran and have a ginkoba suppository every 3 hours, I will be a size 6 in two days and live to be 150!" (sarcasm on my part).

To me, the national media is the largest orgainized group of carnival huxters we have.

Anyway, so they try their new miracle cure and realize that it sucks. They're incredibly hungry and start craving things their body needs, so then they splurge and suddenly, they weigh more than what they did.

the newest fad diet is eating nothing but protein. this after years of people eating nothing but carbohydrates. if this isn't a clue that scientists and the journalists don't know what they are talking about, I don't know what is. commonsense says that the diets have no long term effect because you will go back to eating what you did, but nobody seems to care. The media likes catering to the desperate, and it would be incredibly boring and unbelievable for them to say that permanently changing your lifestyle is the only answer. Not that they are necessarily evil, but because they are run by the same bourgeious dodo brains who tune in every night.

> i see - everybody says how european people are astonished by our
> meat
> restaurants (the "churrascarias") where we can eat TOO
> MUCH meat. It seems in europe they never see so many meat as we
> sell in our restaurants.

yes, meat consumption is incredible. then again, doesn't about everything the Germans make have some sort of kielbasa with it?

> and we never see a fat person in european documentarys or films.

from what i gather, they have a more normalized idea of what weight should be. they don't seem very over obsessed that everyone should be pencil thin.

> the same nation is so obsessed by sports are too lazy. Perhaps a
> thing
> compensates the other.

but you see, Fabricio, sports here are considered something completely different than doing minor things to keep yourself in shape. we like showing up to these arenas, paying way too much for a ticket just to watch these incredibly overpaid athletes bat the ball around, and then put them on the front cover of newspapers and call their achievements as a major mark in history.

> well, i was so nervous i don`t know how i continued just the
> end.

> anyway, when i defended my M.Sc. thesis i really entered in
> panic - i think got my approbation because of the dissertation,
> because the speech was really horrible.

> oh...:-(

> this is really sad. Sometimes we think the best thing is just to
> give up, don`t we?

i expected it. they're flakes.

> but i`m not so sure this is your case - perhaps this is a sign
> to you simply try to calm down.

but i can't do that. it's not like i'm intentionally doing it, and the "calming" exercises i try to do for myself have no effect whatsoever. When I got on stage for the first time ever to sing for a crowd, I can honestly tell you right now had it not been for someone else giving me a boot to make me do it, I would not have done it. I certainly wasn't doing it for myself. It took me months to work up the mental strength to do it...and then, i was so relieved when it was over.

but sometimes i wonder if this person who encouraged me in the way they did misread what I was up to. I was always happy to come up with ideas, but i liked it better in the context of helping them because I think they are really cool.

[Fabricio]

>
> trust no one, Fabricio. Especially when they come bearing gifts for no reason.

Well, suzanne - so people can`t trust me.

I use to send gifts to others with no reason.

I even have a copy of the list of my 17 preferred songs from different artists - if you want a copy, mail me.

And yes - you can trust me.

>
> > how can they do it? it seems a so difficult thing to do.
>
> > anyway, i read somewhere linguists still don`t know how the
> > letter C was pronounced in ancient latin.
>
> and they have all the other letters figured out? that's pretty amazing.

It seems so - I think it`s amazing too.

I have no idea of how they do it...

>
> > today in curitiba the weather is just like that. Now is 2 a.m.
> > and it`s too hot.
>
> wow. i didn't realize how much further ahead y'all were in your time from me.

hehe...

This is one of the things that makes the internet so fascinating, isn`t it?

>
> > but i just need to remember the cold i`ve passed this year to
> > say today the weather is excellent.
>
> that's right...i must remember the seasons are opposite of the northern
> hemisphere.

Yes - this makes Brazil a still more distant land from everywhere.

In the Olympic Games this year the weather was just the same as our one - but the games happened late at night for us.

>
> now, you will get a nice summertime christmas.

Oh really!

this is another sign of our lack od personality: our Santa Claus in the magazines always suffer too much because of the weather.

Oh, there are always snow in our Christmas decorations... :-)))

>
> > that`s exactly what happen with me and the fahrenheit.
>
> > and now i`m having my calculator: 100F = 37.78C. This is too
> > much hot
> > indeed!
>
> ....and wait, it gets hotter!

oh! I think this temperature almost never happen in Curitiba...

>
> > that`s true - and the thing he made with netscape was horrible,
> > wasn`t it?
>
> i don't know what he did with netscape. he did explorer.

But the way he created the windows toghether with Explorer was not so ethic, I think.

>
> > but i read in an interview the president of oracle saying the
> > bill gates will be less and less important in the future - he
> > definetly hates bill gates.
>
> that's good, but you have to question the forces that allowed Bill to get to
> the point he was at before people said it was too much.

oh really - and who are people that made part of this forces.

>
> > this is my case too.
>
> > and my email (uol.com.br) can be accessed by web as well -
> > anyway, i`m
> > seeing the importance of web based mail is that you don`t lose
> > your past mails when a virus arrive.
>
> hmm.. yes, i did lose all of my email in a freaky thing once. wasn't pleasant
> when 2 years of correspondence disappear.

Yes - I had a plan to read again all my correspondence when I would be older - now I see how much difficult is attaining this objective.
>
> > really.
>
> > i`ve seeing in fact very few films of the marx brothers - and
> > when somebody makes a documentary about them always the great
> > groucho phrases come in the first place
>
> you have to see "Duck Soup". To me, it's one of their best.

I`ve heard something about it in the documentary I`ve seen - but i don`t remember the name of the film in portuguese.

>
> > holy grail is a film, isn`t it? which episodes are you referring
> > of?
>
> The Holy Grail was Monty Python's first movie.
>
> > :-)))
>
> > i`ve heard something about it - it seems that the German
> > descendants in chile are a great percentage of the country`s
> > population.
>
> The Europeans spread like viruses....

hehehe... I liked your phrase.
>
> > yes, this is a really strange thing, that a bruzamolin and a
> > müller went to marry in curitiba, brazil.
>
> So, I really don't know how to ask it, but do you try to honor the original
> German pronunciation, or has it been sucked into the Brazilian way of
> pronouncing it?

As we brazilians always try to do, everybody tries to pronounce "Müller" as the germans do - the result is that we pronounce Müller as the americans pronounce Miller, and not as the German pronounce Müller.

It`s not 100% correct, but this is nearear the original German than the portuguese pronunciation would be (something like Mu (as the verb move) ler (as the end of the word filler))
>
> I insist on saying my name correctly, but nobody understands what I'm on
> about.

It seems americans try to pronounce all foreign words in English pronunciation, isn`t it?

French people do exactly the same - it`s funny sometimes.

>
> > hehehe...
>
> > in fact this meant that my mother and my problems did have
> > problems in their relationship...
>
> doesn't it always happen?

hehe - perhaps.

But it was a funny thing my mother used to say to describe their problems...:-)

>
> > oh, stepmothers really seems to make part of the family, but
> > they aren`t.
>
> i guess especially back in the good old days when EVERYONE was married. I've
> lots of ancestors who were married about 4 times.

but they did it when they widowers, didn`t they? I think divorces weren`t permited at this time.

> One guy was 73, had a wife
> who was 35, and had a child of about 4 months old according to some info I
> found.
>
> I wonder what that's like.

If the 73 year old guy were rich, things were easy of explain - anyway, possibly at this time the marriages were forced, what seems to be a tragedy.

>
> > my father`s wife had a stepmother who was jew - as i feel myself
> > a little bit jew sometimes (i really seem a little bit jew) i
> > liked it.
>
> it's nice to have those little things lurking about.

oh, there`s no doubt about it!

>
> > hehehe...
>
> > well, but perhaps they don`t make films celebrating patriots of
> > ireland because they are affraid of exciting the sentiment of
> > war.
>
> yes. that's what I'm saying.
>
> Did you realize that during the Potato Blight that while lots of people were
> starving that the English could have sent food to help out, but they didn't?

this happened in Ireland, didn`t it? I`ve heard about it (it was in the 19th Century, wasn`t it?)

> And this in the end was what helped the Irish finally decide to get rid of the
> English?

The English did a shot in their own feet (this is a Brazilian expression for a big mistake)

> > oh, there`s no doubt about it - americans weren`t very
> > preoccupied with ethics when they made a war against iraq - if
> > so, they wouldn`t permit what milosevic did in yugoslavia during
> > so much time.
>
> Actually, I heard that America was instrumental in helping that situation
> arise.

I`ve heard a journalist saying something similar - that Europe and America wouldn`t permit a muslim nation in Europe.

But the journalist was a little bit crazy and I didn`t pay too much attention to it.

>
> > anyway, at least they did something against milosevic in the end
> > - and they
> > help our dictatorship to finish. The american imperialism
> > doesn`t seem as bad as it was before.
>
> I don't know. Did you know that over 1 million Iraqi civillians have died from
> sanctions after the war?

I`ve never heard about it, really.

>According to the international laws, we're not
> supposed to do things that declare war on the citizens.

This is a complex thing, because sometimes we have to do something against agressive nations.

But I`m not sure - perhaps you and the Pope are correct here.

>
> > and we can`t never forget what would be a german nazi
> > imperialism.
>
> > why?
>
> I don't know. To me, anything with so much emotional tension is very scary.

Well, for me these kind of things are simply boring - anyway, I had so much emotional tension when Morrissey came here...

>
>
> > but there`s no doubt about it! there`s a single morrissey for so
> > many fans!
>
> oh well. he does the best that he can, eh? He's definitely more gracious about
> it than I would have been. I would have either run in panic or completely
> broke down in front of everyone.

Yes - he really seems at ease in those situations.

> > i`m not sure, but it seems he planned all his life himself.
>
> i have to agree there. he's like the Terminator. He won't stop.

wow! that was impressive!

>
> > i did the cupid sometimes too - sometimes we do it just because
> > we love to see other people happy.
>
> I don't know about this. I've never liked this web of other people sitting
> around and trying to take part. It makes me embarassed.

Well, of course I always did it with close friends - if wasn`t that way, i wouldn`t do it.

>
> > for example, i don`t need to have a full conversation with a
> > person to think he/she is cool or not - we can sympatize with
> > others just after a little talk or look.
>
> i would not have thought by the way he acted.

why? didn`tt he act in a genial way?

>
> > heheh... well, i think you won`t have a great success this
> > way... :-)
>
> true, but to me, most of the time when people ask i get the same reaction as
> if I was standing on a ledge and going to jump.

I see but... things may be less tragic perhaps.

>
> > anyway, am i wrong or you kind of like this guy? if so, perhaps
> > you should give him a chance. If not, well, you simply have to
> > say no.
>
> > but i have this impression you like him someway.
>
> not actually. he's a nice guy, but I don't know.
>
> anyway, it doesn't matter. i never heard from him. i'm sitting at home,
> drinking tea, listening to Johnny Cash, and I almost entertained the idea of
> locating my friends except i don't really feel up to seeing anyone.
>
> this is sad. i'm nearly 26 and still like this. it's never going to get
> better, is it?

Well, this guy have something really wrong? Perhaps if you just tried to make things happen in an almost indifferent way to see what`s about...

oh! I see this may have no utility for you - when I was depressed about my future people said many things to me
and every councel they gave to me I tried to follow and everything was worthless.

But there are some councels that served me: be yourself always - don`t try to please anyone - have trust in yourself even if everything is against you (this is really difficult, but I know that deep in your heart you trust in your possibilities)

>
> > nothing to do with that, but this night i dreamt i was alone,
> > and that i had
> > to find somebody again. This is weird because i have this dream
> > at least each eight or nine months.
>
> funny. i had a dream about unloading my dishwasher and there was a neverending
> supply of utensils!

Oh this is funny.

I always dreamt that in my house I had too many discs and bookes I didn`t know before.
>
> anyway, i guess it would be hard to get started over again after you've been
> married....
>unless you hated that person, but having all those years of living
> with someone and them knowing all your quirks, it must be hard to re-start.

The strange thing in those dreams is that I have always another girlfriend (and not my wife) and then the split occurs - in those dreams I never know who my wife is.

>
> > perhaps i am really wrong here.
>
> > if so, that`s because most men say they are much more
> > "macho" men than they are in reality - what really
> > makes sense, and makes the wholle thing sadder yet.
>
> men can afford the macho front, but then it starts making them want to make
> sure that they do own the person they are living with.

yes - the possession of a girl is what most macho men want.
>
> again, if men starting to discuss something more than sex amongst themselves,
> aren't they considered weak?

the answer of this question is a little bit complex.

The friends I had when I was a teenager were in most part just like me - they normally respected the girls and I could have at least normal conversations with them.

Anyway, after this I knew some groups of men that really shocked me with their conversations. When I hear them talk, I just don`t know what to say, because I have no affairs, I don`t say things about sex to my students, and I never talk about my sexual life (except - and slightly - to one or two friends).

I really think if I said my opinions to these men I would be considered weak.

So I become silent.

>
> > are you cured from your asthma?
>
> not exactly. i haven't had a real attack of it in years, but I have all the
> other ailments that come with it such as bronchitis that pops up on occasion,
> and i still don't really last for any length of time if the physical activity
> is involved even though I walk and stuff quite a bit.

oh, this is sad - I had bronchitis, but just until year old (so this doesn`t count to me, just to my mother).

>
> > oh yeah - the few times i watched it by tv i liked it just
> > because of that.
>
> it's sort of like how the Romans liked to watch slaves and such kill each
> other in the colosseum. we get to thrill to millitary strategy.

Oh yeah - it`s sad to say these kind of things, but that`s why I consider songs like Imagine a little bit fake (even if Lennon`s interpretation is just moving): people simply aren`t like that.
>
> > oh, this seems to be sad... :-(
>
> i'm used to it. it was simply my miserable introduction into the land of
> sports.
>
> but as you said, americans put so much emphasis that even on the 7 year old
> level, the coaches are feeling pressure only to let the stars play, and let
> the rest of us stand on some place on the field where we wouldn't get in the
> way of the others. i remember when our team came in first and we all got
> medals for it I felt nothing because i knew i had no hand in it.

I had exactly this same impression in two soccer Championships "I" won when I was younger...
>
> > yeah, america seems the land of fat people and the land of
> > health generation too - this has to bring problems.
>
> to me, America is the land of not accepting the reality of the situation.
> People tune into the news and they hear a story about the new miracle cure for
> fat. People then get incredibly starry eyed and think, "oh, if I eat oat bran
> and have a ginkoba suppository every 3 hours, I will be a size 6 in two days
> and live to be 150!" (sarcasm on my part).

:-)))

>
> To me, the national media is the largest orgainized group of carnival huxters
> we have.
>
> Anyway, so they try their new miracle cure and realize that it sucks. They're
> incredibly hungry and start craving things their body needs, so then they
> splurge and suddenly, they weigh more than what they did.
>
> the newest fad diet is eating nothing but protein. this after years of people
> eating nothing but carbohydrates.

These is a good argument in favour of faith against science. Sometimes even the science seems to be a matter of faith - I simply can`t understand how people still believe in those scientists.

> if this isn't a clue that scientists and the
> journalists don't know what they are talking about, I don't know what is.
> commonsense says that the diets have no long term effect because you will go
> back to eating what you did, but nobody seems to care.

Oh yeah - and the worse ones are the diets that promise people to lose lots of weight in a little time - in a little time people will just had the same weight they had before.

>The media likes
> catering to the desperate, and it would be incredibly boring and unbelievable
> for them to say that permanently changing your lifestyle is the only answer.
> Not that they are necessarily evil, but because they are run by the same
> bourgeious dodo brains who tune in every night.

I think media simply wants to have attention paid to them - and saying truly things to people is not always the best thing to have it.

>
> > i see - everybody says how european people are astonished by our
> > meat
> > restaurants (the "churrascarias") where we can eat TOO
> > MUCH meat. It seems in europe they never see so many meat as we
> > sell in our restaurants.
>
> yes, meat consumption is incredible. then again, doesn't about everything the
> Germans make have some sort of kielbasa with it?

make sort of kielbasa with it? this is an expression or something?

>
> > and we never see a fat person in european documentarys or films.
>
> from what i gather, they have a more normalized idea of what weight should be.
> they don't seem very over obsessed that everyone should be pencil thin.

It seems so.

>
> > the same nation is so obsessed by sports are too lazy. Perhaps a
> > thing
> > compensates the other.
>
> but you see, Fabricio, sports here are considered something completely
> different than doing minor things to keep yourself in shape.we like showing
> up to these arenas, paying way too much for a ticket just to watch these
> incredibly overpaid athletes bat the ball around, and then put them on the
> front cover of newspapers and call their achievements as a major mark in
> history.

oh, I see it - people someway pay others to be athletes to them.

And americans like statistics in sports, don`t they?

In Brazil the biggest Channel TV (Globo) always put some statistics in our soccer, but nobody really seems to care.

>
>
> > this is really sad. Sometimes we think the best thing is just to
> > give up, don`t we?
>
> i expected it. they're flakes.
>
> > but i`m not so sure this is your case - perhaps this is a sign
> > to you simply try to calm down.
>
> but i can't do that. it's not like i'm intentionally doing it, and the
> "calming" exercises i try to do for myself have no effect whatsoever.

I was never calmed down with these "exercises" - I got just always more nervous yet.

>When I
> got on stage for the first time ever to sing for a crowd, I can honestly tell
> you right now had it not been for someone else giving me a boot to make me do
> it, I would not have done it. I certainly wasn't doing it for myself. It took
> me months to work up the mental strength to do it...and then, i was so
> relieved when it was over.

Oh, I understand you.

>
> but sometimes i wonder if this person who encouraged me in the way they did
> misread what I was up to. I was always happy to come up with ideas, but i
> liked it better in the context of helping them because I think they are really
> cool.

Perhaps you had to be more explicit with him.

Well, I don`t know.

[suzanne]

> Well, suzanne - so people can`t trust me.

> I use to send gifts to others with no reason.

i think i've become really crabby about those sort of things. it's like, i don't really enjoy giving things, but I don't enjoy receiving them, either.

i used to love christmas, but now i get embarassed when people start asking me what i want.

> I even have a copy of the list of my 17 preferred songs from
> different artists - if you want a copy, mail me.

well, ok...just don't attach any viruses

> And yes - you can trust me.

> It seems so - I think it`s amazing too.

> I have no idea of how they do it...

> hehe...

> This is one of the things that makes the internet so
> fascinating, isn`t it?

it's the best part. i can't imagine being able to do some of the things i have done without it.

> Yes - this makes Brazil a still more distant land from
> everywhere.

well, all the coolest places are the ones farthest away...

> In the Olympic Games this year the weather was just the same as
> our one - but the games happened late at night for us.

i had to keep reminding myself what time of year it was over there.

then again, Australia is so hot that i'm sure it didn't matter. kind of like Laredo and how they never see any snow.

> Oh really!

> this is another sign of our lack od personality: our Santa Claus
> in the magazines always suffer too much because of the weather.

santa suffers from heat stroke. well, that would make an interesting headline.

> Oh, there are always snow in our Christmas decorations... :-)))

you just can't hurdle ideology.

and just think, the first christmas was in the desert.

> oh! I think this temperature almost never happen in Curitiba...

count yourselves lucky. there are months where you can't hardly leave the house. there are days in the middle of winter where you can wear shorts.

> But the way he created the windows toghether with Explorer was
> not so ethic, I think.

tell me about it. that was the reason my system kept crapping out.

> oh really - and who are people that made part of this forces.

> Yes - I had a plan to read again all my correspondence when I
> would be older - now I see how much difficult is attaining this
> objective.

now you must make hard copies. as you know, any computer format will crap out eventually. i have a 5 1/4" disc with some MacIntosh basic code dating from '88. lord knows i can't read it now.

> I`ve heard something about it in the documentary I`ve seen - but
> i don`t remember the name of the film in portuguese.

> hehehe... I liked your phrase.

> As we brazilians always try to do, everybody tries to pronounce
> "Müller" as the germans do - the result is that we
> pronounce Müller as the americans pronounce Miller, and not as
> the German pronounce Müller.

> It`s not 100% correct, but this is nearear the original German
> than the portuguese pronunciation would be (something like Mu
> (as the verb move) ler (as the end of the word filler))

i thought the funniest thing was that when i went to england, they had a really tough time with my name. i was puzzled because i was thinking "hey, is this the Europe where everyone knows about 3 languages?" also the fact how everyone moves around from country to country. that, and they were invaded by them in the '40's fer cripe's sake.

> It seems americans try to pronounce all foreign words in English
> pronunciation, isn`t it?

it's the best way! :^)

yeah, we don't feel the need to honor what other people say.

> French people do exactly the same - it`s funny sometimes.

I understand the french.

> hehe - perhaps.

> But it was a funny thing my mother used to say to describe their
> problems...:-)

> but they did it when they widowers, didn`t they? I think
> divorces weren`t permited at this time.

they were, but there was no need for them. people died from all sorts of things at earlier ages.

> If the 73 year old guy were rich, things were easy of explain -
> anyway, possibly at this time the marriages were forced, what
> seems to be a tragedy.

Fabricio, the 73 year old was a farmer in Arkansas.

> oh, there`s no doubt about it!

> this happened in Ireland, didn`t it? I`ve heard about it (it was
> in the 19th Century, wasn`t it?)

Yes. The Potato blight is still one of those things that people still haven't forgotten because so many people died or emigated, and I think I read somewhere that the population of Ireland is still over 1/2 of what it was before it happened.

> The English did a shot in their own feet (this is a Brazilian
> expression for a big mistake)

I think you mean they "shot themselves in the foot".

> I`ve heard a journalist saying something similar - that Europe
> and America wouldn`t permit a muslim nation in Europe.

> But the journalist was a little bit crazy and I didn`t pay too
> much attention to it.

I don't think it was religion, but what sort of laws this new government would have created that would have made the other nations at an economic disadvantage.

> I`ve never heard about it, really.

> This is a complex thing, because sometimes we have to do
> something against agressive nations.

but it's not the people, is it? with this, you are killing people who might sympathize with you. how is that a good thing?

> But I`m not sure - perhaps you and the Pope are correct here.

> Well, for me these kind of things are simply boring - anyway, I
> had so much emotional tension when Morrissey came here...

and he showed up in your city. it was very nice of him.

> Yes - he really seems at ease in those situations.

i heard he was nervous, but he should be used to it. he's had people falling all over him for a long time.

> wow! that was impressive!

> Well, of course I always did it with close friends - if wasn`t
> that way, i wouldn`t do it.

> why? didn`tt he act in a genial way?

he did, but you know those situations where you lack that chemistry that makes you REALLY interested in them.

In this case, his "Top Gun" Soundtrack

> I see but... things may be less tragic perhaps.

> Well, this guy have something really wrong? Perhaps if you just
> tried to make things happen in an almost indifferent way to see
> what`s about...

i guess i didn't make my signals very clear. i was tired and sort of buzzed and really didn't want to be faced with such a question.

> oh! I see this may have no utility for you - when I was
> depressed about my future people said many things to me
> and every councel they gave to me I tried to follow and
> everything was worthless.

to me, the monotony is the worst. but the upside is my boss is finally letting me take my vacation (for what it's worth) and I need a week far far away.

> But there are some councels that served me: be yourself always -
> don`t try to please anyone - have trust in yourself even if
> everything is against you (this is really difficult, but I know
> that deep in your heart you trust in your possibilities)

i don't know what i believe any more.

> Oh this is funny.

> I always dreamt that in my house I had too many discs and bookes
> I didn`t know before.

i had a dream that it was raining like crazy, and it became calm, and I watched the weather and they said that Austin was right in the middle of the eye of a hurricane, and I was trying to run back before the calm ended and it all started up again.

> The strange thing in those dreams is that I have always another
> girlfriend (and not my wife) and then the split occurs - in
> those dreams I never know who my wife is.

hmm.....

> yes - the possession of a girl is what most macho men want.

> the answer of this question is a little bit complex.

> The friends I had when I was a teenager were in most part just
> like me - they normally respected the girls and I could have at
> least normal conversations with them.

> Anyway, after this I knew some groups of men that really shocked
> me with their conversations. When I hear them talk, I just don`t
> know what to say, because I have no affairs, I don`t say things
> about sex to my students, and I never talk about my sexual life
> (except - and slightly - to one or two friends).

people have so many ideas about what makes a good relationship. it completely boggles my mind.

and i don't know if you have these kind of guys, but there are many who have a girlfriend/wife and also sleep around, and in most of these cases, they stay with their girlfriend because they get free rent and money.

> I really think if I said my opinions to these men I would be
> considered weak.

> So I become silent.

> oh, this is sad - I had bronchitis, but just until year old (so
> this doesn`t count to me, just to my mother).

i got my first case when i was 17 in the middle of the summer. i didn't even have a cold. If you don't count the times that it relapsed, i think i've had it about 5 times total.

> Oh yeah - it`s sad to say these kind of things, but that`s why I
> consider songs like Imagine a little bit fake (even if Lennon`s
> interpretation is just moving): people simply aren`t like that.

i know, but it's just a lovely little song.

> I had exactly this same impression in two soccer Championships
> "I" won when I was younger...

well, we can form our own team! i'll be the person standing near the goal (but not exactly the goalie) and you can be the guy who is sent out to make up numbers on the field. we can all stand around and stare at the ball and wait for someone else to come kick it.

but i won't be doing any of that for a while. my foot is in pain. i was running around at kendo practice and somehow managed to rip a very large callous off of the ball of my foot on the floor. is the flooring that bad? No. It's just the footwork we do. i can't walk on it period.

They tell me it's a rite of passage. What? That I left a chunk of my foot on the floor? Anyway, i think i managed to score some "cool" points with them.

> :-)))

> These is a good argument in favour of faith against science.
> Sometimes even the science seems to be a matter of faith - I
> simply can`t understand how people still believe in those
> scientists.

i wish people were smarter about it. not that i'm saying science hasn't been a completely bad thing, but to put so much blind trust into people who are doing what they do for economic reasons is a bad thing.

> Oh yeah - and the worse ones are the diets that promise people
> to lose lots of weight in a little time - in a little time
> people will just had the same weight they had before.

yes, those are bad. "Lose 7 inches in an hour!"

> I think media simply wants to have attention paid to them - and
> saying truly things to people is not always the best thing to
> have it.

i think part of it is the media's attitude of "we're so smart, and everyone else is so dumb"

They like perpetuating the idea of a cowardly public, unable to help themselves, unable to form their own opinions, and therefore, in dire need of their assistance to make up their minds for them.

After all, they have to sell the idea of why the average person should listen to them, right?

> make sort of kielbasa with it? this is an expression or
> something?

Isn't kielbasa a sausage?

> It seems so.

> oh, I see it - people someway pay others to be athletes to them.

yes. they live out their starstudded dreams through Emmitt Smith.

> And americans like statistics in sports, don`t they?

*eyeroll* yes.

> In Brazil the biggest Channel TV (Globo) always put some
> statistics in our soccer, but nobody really seems to care.

You see, you are Brazil and you play soccer. That's two strikes against you.

> I was never calmed down with these "exercises" - I got
> just always more nervous yet.

yes, nothing works. i still remember waking up at 3 AM two days before I had to give a speech in a panic.

> Oh, I understand you.

> Perhaps you had to be more explicit with him.

I think he likes being hard headed! :^)

[Fabricio]

hey, i am happy today! i wished to buy the sonatas for violin and clavier from bach since more than 15 years... and then today in a store with almost no classical cds i found it! it`s still more beautiful than i hoped!

> i think i've become really crabby about those sort of things.
> it's like, i don't really enjoy giving things, but I don't enjoy
> receiving them, either.

well, i hope you`ll not be angry with me if i`ll send you my cd...

> i used to love christmas, but now i get embarassed when people
> start asking me what i want.

oh! i always know what i want: or some cd or some book.

> well, ok...just don't attach any viruses

i think i didn`t write well - i`ll send you a cd with the 17 songs of different artists i like the most. If you`ll tell me your real adress i`ll send the cd to you (without viroses, of course...)

> it's the best part. i can't imagine being able to do some of the
> things i have done without it.

oh really - i was a big morrissey fan before the internet, and in the early nineties there wasn`t a single news about him in the brazilian press. So i had to go to a bookstore where foreign magazines were sold... and i pratically never found anything really interesting there.

a good day www.morrissey-solo.com appeared in my life... and i didn`t need to go to bookstores to know something about morrissey anymore.

> well, all the coolest places are the ones farthest away...

hehe... maybe...

> i had to keep reminding myself what time of year it was over
> there.

oh really - in tv we watched "live transmissions" at night with an enormous sun.

i know it`s stupid but i was impressed.

> then again, Australia is so hot that i'm sure it didn't matter.

it seemed it was not so hot in the olympic games - but just like curitiba: 4 seasons in the same day.

> kind of like Laredo and how they never see any snow.

where`s laredo?

well, and i saw snow... once in 1975...

> santa suffers from heat stroke. well, that would make an
> interesting headline.

hehehe...

for us, it would be really interesting if the christmas were cold...

> you just can't hurdle ideology.

> and just think, the first christmas was in the desert.

oh really - i have never thought about it!

> count yourselves lucky. there are months where you can't hardly
> leave the house.

but there`s air conditioning everywhere, isn`t it? i went to rio de janeiro and it was just like that.

today i felt myself bad because of the hotness - with no air conditioning anywhere, of course.

>there are days in the middle of winter where
> you can wear shorts.

here it`s happen sometimes.

is there snow where you live?

> tell me about it. that was the reason my system kept crapping
> out.

really?

> now you must make hard copies.

i just didn`t know how to make a copy of my mails. Then the guy who helped me with my computer said i had to "export" my mails somewhere and then "import" them to read them again - lord knows i didn`t know how to do it...

>as you know, any computer format
> will crap out eventually. i have a 5 1/4" disc with some
> MacIntosh basic code dating from '88. lord knows i can't read it
> now.

oh, this is sad indeed.

i have this strange idea that all 5 1/4" discs have virus...

anyway, this makes me remeber the super 8 projector i have at home - i sent it to fix and people looked me as i was crazy.

> i thought the funniest thing was that when i went to england,
> they had a really tough time with my name. i was puzzled because
> i was thinking "hey, is this the Europe where everyone
> knows about 3 languages?" also the fact how everyone moves
> around from country to country.
>that, and they were invaded by
> them in the '40's fer cripe's sake.

i went to europe in 1982 and i knew just french - well, i could communicate well everywhere except in england where nobody knew a word in french.

anyway, the germans couldn`t invade england - that`s why they don`t know another language...

> it's the best way! :^)

> yeah, we don't feel the need to honor what other people say.

i think we should be just this way - unfortunately brazilians try to honor what other people say because in general we feel ourselves less important than other people.

> I understand the french.

me too.

> they were, but there was no need for them. people died from all
> sorts of things at earlier ages.

oh, it`s difficult to imagine a world like that.

> Fabricio, the 73 year old was a farmer in Arkansas.

a rich one?

> Yes. The Potato blight is still one of those things that people
> still haven't forgotten because so many people died or emigated,
> and I think I read somewhere that the population of Ireland is
> still over 1/2 of what it was before it happened.

It seems that exactly this happened in Paraguay after the war against Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina.

In Paraguay nobody forget the war, what doesn`t happen in brazil.

> I think you mean they "shot themselves in the foot".

oh thank you!

> I don't think it was religion, but what sort of laws this new
> government would have created that would have made the other
> nations at an economic disadvantage.

> but it's not the people, is it? with this, you are killing
> people who might sympathize with you. how is that a good thing?

i see but... which other things you can do against an evil government? you simply can`t enter openly in another country and tell everybody to remove their government.

> and he showed up in your city. it was very nice of him.

this is really strange, isn`t it?

you see, smiths made a great success in brazil in the eighties, and i read many times they would come here but they didn`t.

so many other artists came to brazil and morrissey never came.

so my city (yes, we had bowie and ferry and mccartney here, but no much more) so distant from all the world receives my favourite artist.

i simply don`t want to go to another show so soon.

> i heard he was nervous, but he should be used to it. he's had
> people falling all over him for a long time.

yeah, i don`t understand why he was nervous - he seems always to maintain his control.

> he did, but you know those situations where you lack that
> chemistry that makes you REALLY interested in them.

oh, this happens all the time.

> In this case, his "Top Gun" Soundtrack

i guess i don`t know it...

> i guess i didn't make my signals very clear. i was tired and
> sort of buzzed and really didn't want to be faced with such a
> question.

my question? if so, sorry.

> to me, the monotony is the worst. but the upside is my boss is
> finally letting me take my vacation (for what it's worth) and I
> need a week far far away.

oh, i think i need something similar too - i am tired.

> i don't know what i believe any more.

believe yourself.

> i had a dream that it was raining like crazy, and it became
> calm, and I watched the weather and they said that Austin was
> right in the middle of the eye of a hurricane, and I was trying
> to run back before the calm ended and it all started up again.

there are some hurricanes in austin?

in brazil we didn`t have hurricanes or earthquakes... that`s good, i guess.

> hmm.....

mmmm... you had interesting ideas, hadn`t you?

> people have so many ideas about what makes a good relationship.
> it completely boggles my mind.

what makes a good relationship is forgiving other`s mistakes.

> and i don't know if you have these kind of guys, but there are
> many who have a girlfriend/wife and also sleep around,

some guys i know are proud to say they sleep around, and they tell it everybody everytime.

they should give us a rest.

>and in
> most of these cases, they stay with their girlfriend because
> they get free rent and money.

oh, i don`t know any that do that - but they certainly exist here.

> i got my first case when i was 17 in the middle of the summer. i
> didn't even have a cold. If you don't count the times that it
> relapsed, i think i've had it about 5 times total.

my favourite writer (marcel proust) had terrible crisis of it, and his sickness made an important role in his book as a whole.

> i know, but it's just a lovely little song.

i like it as well - i didn`t like it before, but a good day i heard it without prejudices and it`s really beautiful.

> well, we can form our own team! i'll be the person standing near
> the goal (but not exactly the goalie) and you can be the guy who
> is sent out to make up numbers on the field. we can all stand
> around and stare at the ball and wait for someone else to come
> kick it.

yeah, this is a good idea.

we can call some good players to our team and then we`ll have nothing to do, so we can try to talk a little bit. I`ll see if you`ll understand something from me.

> but i won't be doing any of that for a while. my foot is in
> pain. i was running around at kendo practice and somehow managed
> to rip a very large callous off of the ball of my foot on the
> floor. is the flooring that bad? No. It's just the footwork we
> do. i can't walk on it period.

oh, this is bad.

and i have a problem with my right knee: it pains me when i have to walk in ladders.

i`m affraid of going to the "german park" here in curitiba because there`s an enormous woody ladder and i`m affraid of falling off from there because of pain.

> They tell me it's a rite of passage. What? That I left a chunk
> of my foot on the floor? Anyway, i think i managed to score some
> "cool" points with them.

there`s no doubt about it - the freestyle fighters (i don`t know how i can call it in english... those guys in that horrible fight who bleed all the time...) love to show their deformed ears...

> i wish people were smarter about it. not that i'm saying science
> hasn't been a completely bad thing, but to put so much blind
> trust into people who are doing what they do for economic
> reasons is a bad thing.

people always prefer to believe without thinking.

> yes, those are bad. "Lose 7 inches in an hour!"

this happens just if people lose their foot...

> i think part of it is the media's attitude of "we're so
> smart, and everyone else is so dumb"

> They like perpetuating the idea of a cowardly public, unable to
> help themselves, unable to form their own opinions, and
> therefore, in dire need of their assistance to make up their
> minds for them.

> After all, they have to sell the idea of why the average person
> should listen to them, right?

ìt`s ingenuous from me but they had to be more honest to people... imagine it... (oh, it`s lennon speaking!)

> Isn't kielbasa a sausage?

yeah, but sorry... i didn`t understand the relation... always the difficulty to talk etc etc

> yes. they live out their starstudded dreams through Emmitt
> Smith.

> *eyeroll* yes.

> You see, you are Brazil and you play soccer. That's two strikes
> against you.

hehe...

> yes, nothing works. i still remember waking up at 3 AM two days
> before I had to give a speech in a panic.

i remeber what i did this year when i was in panic before giving classes of a subject i didn`t know very well: i simply was in panic all the time - but i simply didn`t try to calm down. It would be simply a matter of losing energy in something that wouldn`t have any utility. I prefered staying in panic trying to concentrate myself everytime in the class... and in the panic.

> I think he likes being hard headed! :^)

every men are like that! :-)

[suzanne]

> hey, i am happy today! i wished to buy the sonatas for violin
> and clavier from bach since more than 15 years... and then today
> in a store with almost no classical cds i found it! it`s still
> more beautiful than i hoped!

that's cool.

here's my happy day:

I found out the leak that broke through the ceiling of the girl living below me was not my plumming, but the leaky roof the morons who manage this place were supposed to fix 6 months ago. I don't have to pay anything.

that, and it looks like 'European Tour part II: Judgment Day' is happening for me. Not only did my boss actually grant me my vacation time, but a local travel agency is offering ridiculously low priced flights overseas! I'm doing the dance of joy!

> well, i hope you`ll not be angry with me if i`ll send you my
> cd...

wait...you were going to send a CD? I thought it was a list!

> oh! i always know what i want: or some cd or some book.

> i think i didn`t write well - i`ll send you a cd with the 17
> songs of different artists i like the most. If you`ll tell me
> your real adress i`ll send the cd to you (without viroses, of
> course...)

ah...i hope i don't open a box and see you sitting in it, holding the CD....

> oh really - i was a big morrissey fan before the internet, and
> in the early nineties there wasn`t a single news about him in
> the brazilian press. So i had to go to a bookstore where foreign
> magazines were sold... and i pratically never found anything
> really interesting there.

yes, i did seem to read Melody Maker a bit at one point. i have no idea what's going on. i did pick up something by a band named "Cold Play" but they sound like Travis ripping off Gene.

> a good day www.morrissey-solo.com appeared in my life... and i
> didn`t need to go to bookstores to know something about
> morrissey anymore.

we don't even need our imaginations any more.

> hehe... maybe...

> oh really - in tv we watched "live transmissions" at
> night with an enormous sun.

> i know it`s stupid but i was impressed.

no. i'm a tv nerd. i understand.

> it seemed it was not so hot in the olympic games - but just like
> curitiba: 4 seasons in the same day.

we have 4 seasons: early summer, mid-summer, late summer, and nearly summer.

> where`s laredo?

On the Texas border with Mexico.

> well, and i saw snow... once in 1975...

> hehehe...

> for us, it would be really interesting if the christmas were
> cold...

ours are usually relatively cold. Thanksgiving always cooperates in that area. I like the messy, rainy, cold Thanksgivings the best.

> oh really - i have never thought about it!

> but there`s air conditioning everywhere, isn`t it? i went to rio
> de janeiro and it was just like that.

> today i felt myself bad because of the hotness - with no air
> conditioning anywhere, of course.

i need it, but we overdo it sometimes. my office is freezing cold. one girl even has a mini-heater under her desk.

> here it`s happen sometimes.

> is there snow where you live?

in Austin, we get the occasional bit of freezing rain. it's funny because they close everything down because all the morons don't know how to drive on icy roads and they think it's still OK to go about 50 MPH

> really?

> i just didn`t know how to make a copy of my mails. Then the guy
> who helped me with my computer said i had to "export"
> my mails somewhere and then "import" them to read them
> again - lord knows i didn`t know how to do it...

that sounds weird. it sounds like you're sending them back to the same place they started.

> oh, this is sad indeed.

> i have this strange idea that all 5 1/4" discs have
> virus...

hmmmmm....

> anyway, this makes me remeber the super 8 projector i have at
> home - i sent it to fix and people looked me as i was crazy.

> i went to europe in 1982 and i knew just french - well, i could
> communicate well everywhere except in england where nobody knew
> a word in french.

sounds about right.

> anyway, the germans couldn`t invade england - that`s why they
> don`t know another language...

hey, know a little about the people who are bombing you every single night...

> i think we should be just this way - unfortunately brazilians
> try to honor what other people say because in general we feel
> ourselves less important than other people.

> me too.

> oh, it`s difficult to imagine a world like that.

> a rich one?

it said he was a "pharmacist" of some sort, but knowing what sort of guy he was, i'm sure it wasn't anything reputable.

> It seems that exactly this happened in Paraguay after the war
> against Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina.

> In Paraguay nobody forget the war, what doesn`t happen in
> brazil.

> oh thank you!

> i see but... which other things you can do against an evil
> government? you simply can`t enter openly in another country and
> tell everybody to remove their government.

exactly. maybe the people there like their government OK. It put food on their table, and it seemed to serve their ideology OK.

> this is really strange, isn`t it?

> you see, smiths made a great success in brazil in the eighties,
> and i read many times they would come here but they didn`t.

> so many other artists came to brazil and morrissey never came.

As you know, it's hard to get him to go anywhere...

...he's been better...

> so my city (yes, we had bowie and ferry and mccartney here, but
> no much more) so distant from all the world receives my
> favourite artist.

> i simply don`t want to go to another show so soon.

> yeah, i don`t understand why he was nervous - he seems always to
> maintain his control.

he's amazing.

> oh, this happens all the time.

> i guess i don`t know it...

> my question? if so, sorry.

> oh, i think i need something similar too - i am tired.

> believe yourself.

> there are some hurricanes in austin?

No. There might have been a remnant of one, but we're too far away to get the brunt of anything really nasty.

> in brazil we didn`t have hurricanes or earthquakes... that`s
> good, i guess.

i like being in a place where the ground doesn't shake.

> mmmm... you had interesting ideas, hadn`t you?

i can't remember

> what makes a good relationship is forgiving other`s mistakes.

> some guys i know are proud to say they sleep around, and they
> tell it everybody everytime.

maybe the first time they got laid in 5 years....

i empathize...

> they should give us a rest.

> oh, i don`t know any that do that - but they certainly exist
> here.

> my favourite writer (marcel proust) had terrible crisis of it,
> and his sickness made an important role in his book as a whole.

i know nothing about him.

i did see part of a film about Balzac tonight. It had Gerard Depardieu. I swear that he is in every french film made past 1975.

> i like it as well - i didn`t like it before, but a good day i
> heard it without prejudices and it`s really beautiful.

> yeah, this is a good idea.

> we can call some good players to our team and then we`ll have
> nothing to do, so we can try to talk a little bit. I`ll see if
> you`ll understand something from me.

hee!

actually, i thought it would be better to run around and try and kick at the ball, but miss....

> oh, this is bad.

i had to sit out tonight. it feels a lot better, especially considering it was so bad monday morning i almost called in sick, but i didn't feel like doing it tonight.

> and i have a problem with my right knee: it pains me when i have
> to walk in ladders.

i hope that doesn't happen too often...

> i`m affraid of going to the "german park" here in
> curitiba because there`s an enormous woody ladder and i`m
> affraid of falling off from there because of pain.

do they make you go up the ladder?

> there`s no doubt about it - the freestyle fighters (i don`t know
> how i can call it in english... those guys in that horrible
> fight who bleed all the time...) love to show their deformed
> ears...

ugh. no, we wear lots of protective gear. the bamboo makes a nice little crack noise against it.

> people always prefer to believe without thinking.

i like thinking without believing.

> this happens just if people lose their foot...

> ìt`s ingenuous from me but they had to be more honest to
> people... imagine it... (oh, it`s lennon speaking!)

> yeah, but sorry... i didn`t understand the relation... always
> the difficulty to talk etc etc

> hehe...

> i remeber what i did this year when i was in panic before giving
> classes of a subject i didn`t know very well: i simply was in
> panic all the time - but i simply didn`t try to calm down. It
> would be simply a matter of losing energy in something that
> wouldn`t have any utility. I prefered staying in panic trying to
> concentrate myself everytime in the class... and in the panic.

i hate it. i know that i would be easy bait for the students.

> every men are like that! :-)

i know nothing of being hard headed...

[Fabricio]

>
> > hey, i am happy today! i wished to buy the sonatas for violin
> > and clavier from bach since more than 15 years... and then today
> > in a store with almost no classical cds i found it! it`s still
> > more beautiful than i hoped!
>
> that's cool.

oh really - i`m hearing schubert now.

i`m really becoming old.

>
> here's my happy day:
>
> I found out the leak that broke through the ceiling of the girl living below
> me was not my plumming, but the leaky roof the morons who manage this place
> were supposed to fix 6 months ago. I don't have to pay anything.

this is really good indeed.

it`s just like what happened recently to me: i had to pay for my medical insurance, but
from now my father will pay for it!

>
> that, and it looks like 'European Tour part II: Judgment Day' is happening for
> me. Not only did my boss actually grant me my vacation time, but a local
> travel agency is offering ridiculously low priced flights overseas! I'm doing
> the dance of joy!

this is really good indeed.

when will happen your trip?

i hope you`ll have a good one!

>
> > well, i hope you`ll not be angry with me if i`ll send you my
> > cd...
>
> wait...you were going to send a CD? I thought it was a list!

the case is that i wrote i would send a list to you... but it was a mistake...

i really offered a cd to you - i like to do it to people i like. Just mail me your adress.

>
> > oh! i always know what i want: or some cd or some book.
>
> > i think i didn`t write well - i`ll send you a cd with the 17
> > songs of different artists i like the most. If you`ll tell me
> > your real adress i`ll send the cd to you (without viroses, of
> > course...)
>
> ah...i hope i don't open a box and see you sitting in it, holding the CD....

are you so affraid of me? :-)

>
> > oh really - i was a big morrissey fan before the internet, and
> > in the early nineties there wasn`t a single news about him in
> > the brazilian press. So i had to go to a bookstore where foreign
> > magazines were sold... and i pratically never found anything
> > really interesting there.
>
> yes, i did seem to read Melody Maker a bit at one point. i have no idea what's
> going on. i did pick up something by a band named "Cold Play" but they sound
> like Travis ripping off Gene.

do you like gene? i watched a clip from them once, and the clip was so similar to
smiths` ones...

>
> > a good day www.morrissey-solo.com appeared in my life... and i
> > didn`t need to go to bookstores to know something about
> > morrissey anymore.
>
> we don't even need our imaginations any more.

it would be the case if the guy were called paul mcccartney...

just kidding.

>
> > hehe... maybe...
>
> > oh really - in tv we watched "live transmissions" at
> > night with an enormous sun.
>
> > i know it`s stupid but i was impressed.
>
> no. i'm a tv nerd. i understand.

oh, that`s cool!

>
> > it seemed it was not so hot in the olympic games - but just like
> > curitiba: 4 seasons in the same day.
>
> we have 4 seasons: early summer, mid-summer, late summer, and nearly summer.

that`s good - i suffer too much in cold days.

>
> > where`s laredo?
>
> On the Texas border with Mexico.

it must be really hot!

>
> > for us, it would be really interesting if the christmas were
> > cold...
>
> ours are usually relatively cold. Thanksgiving always cooperates in that area.
> I like the messy, rainy, cold Thanksgivings the best.

Thanksgiving is in august, isn`t it?

We simply don`t use to comemorate this date.

anyway, i was impressed i went to a big shop and there were too many articles from
halloween. I was happy because my daughter loves witches and i bought a witch fantasy to
her, and she really liked it!

well, but why am i impressed? in brazil i had no tradition at all of halloweens.

>
> > today i felt myself bad because of the hotness - with no air
> > conditioning anywhere, of course.
>
> i need it, but we overdo it sometimes. my office is freezing cold. one girl
> even has a mini-heater under her desk.

hehe... this is fine.

there are some people i know that when they go to hotter cities they cold the air conditioning and then use big blankets...

>
> > here it`s happen sometimes.
>
> > is there snow where you live?
>
> in Austin, we get the occasional bit of freezing rain. it's funny because they
> close everything down because all the morons don't know how to drive on icy
> roads and they think it's still OK to go about 50 MPH

hehe... so didn`t you go to school when it was raining just like calvin & hobbes?
>
> > really?
>
> > i just didn`t know how to make a copy of my mails. Then the guy
> > who helped me with my computer said i had to "export"
> > my mails somewhere and then "import" them to read them
> > again - lord knows i didn`t know how to do it...
>
> that sounds weird. it sounds like you're sending them back to the same place
> they started.

exactly.

>
> > oh, this is sad indeed.
>
> > i have this strange idea that all 5 1/4" discs have
> > virus...
>
> hmmmmm....
>
> > i went to europe in 1982 and i knew just french - well, i could
> > communicate well everywhere except in england where nobody knew
> > a word in french.
>
> sounds about right.
>
> > anyway, the germans couldn`t invade england - that`s why they
> > don`t know another language...
>
> hey, know a little about the people who are bombing you every single night...

i don`t know why. germans were at skies, england didn`t need to talk to germans :-)
>
> > a rich one?
>
> it said he was a "pharmacist" of some sort, but knowing what sort of guy he
> was, i'm sure it wasn't anything reputable.

heh...

well, talking about ancestors, i have a cousin who caught the italian nationality and said almost everything was prepared to me to get my italian nationality.

i don`t think this is important, but i think i`ll try to get it.

> > oh thank you!
>
> > i see but... which other things you can do against an evil
> > government? you simply can`t enter openly in another country and
> > tell everybody to remove their government.
>
> exactly. maybe the people there like their government OK. It put food on their
> table, and it seemed to serve their ideology OK.

ok, but we return to our point: but if this government is a real menace to other peoples...
>
> > this is really strange, isn`t it?
>
> > you see, smiths made a great success in brazil in the eighties,
> > and i read many times they would come here but they didn`t.
>
> > so many other artists came to brazil and morrissey never came.
>
> As you know, it's hard to get him to go anywhere...
>
> ....he's been better...

oh, i really hope so.

>
>
> > yeah, i don`t understand why he was nervous - he seems always to
> > maintain his control.
>
> he's amazing.

what do you really think about morrissey?

you seem to change your ideas about him sometimes.

>
> > there are some hurricanes in austin?
>
> No. There might have been a remnant of one, but we're too far away to get the
> brunt of anything really nasty.

but there are tornadoes in texas, aren`t they?

>
> > in brazil we didn`t have hurricanes or earthquakes... that`s
> > good, i guess.
>
> i like being in a place where the ground doesn't shake.

hehe...

>
> > mmmm... you had interesting ideas, hadn`t you?
>
> i can't remember

well, i was talking my wife never appeared in some kind of dreams i have...

oh, nevermind.

>
> > some guys i know are proud to say they sleep around, and they
> > tell it everybody everytime.
>
> maybe the first time they got laid in 5 years....

oh, probably...

>
> i empathize...

i understand... :-)

>
>
> > my favourite writer (marcel proust) had terrible crisis of it,
> > and his sickness made an important role in his book as a whole.
>
> i know nothing about him.

ih, he began his novel with 18 pages description of his waking up... if you think his description is marvelous (i do) you`ll won`t stop of reading à la recherche du temps perdu until its end.

>
> i did see part of a film about Balzac tonight.

have you ever read some novel of him?

it`s wonderful!

>It had Gerard Depardieu. I
> swear that he is in every french film made past 1975.

heh... i`ve heard about it, but i don`t watch french films.

>
>
> > yeah, this is a good idea.
>
> > we can call some good players to our team and then we`ll have
> > nothing to do, so we can try to talk a little bit. I`ll see if
> > you`ll understand something from me.
>
> hee!
>
> actually, i thought it would be better to run around and try and kick at the
> ball, but miss....

oh, nevermind about it!

i`m sure you`ll think understanding me a much bigger challenge than playing soccer!

>
> > oh, this is bad.
>
> i had to sit out tonight. it feels a lot better, especially considering it was
> so bad monday morning i almost called in sick, but i didn't feel like doing it
> tonight.

this is good indeed.

>
> > and i have a problem with my right knee: it pains me when i have
> > to walk in ladders.
>
> i hope that doesn't happen too often...

it happens unfortunatly almost always - by chance the amount of pain changes considerably from time to time.

>
> > i`m affraid of going to the "german park" here in
> > curitiba because there`s an enormous woody ladder and i`m
> > affraid of falling off from there because of pain.
>
> do they make you go up the ladder?

they? who? the germans? :-)
>
> > there`s no doubt about it - the freestyle fighters (i don`t know
> > how i can call it in english... those guys in that horrible
> > fight who bleed all the time...) love to show their deformed
> > ears...
>
> ugh. no, we wear lots of protective gear. the bamboo makes a nice little crack
> noise against it.

this is good.

i really don`t understand why someone is proud os his scars... well, sometimes i understand... :-)

>
> > people always prefer to believe without thinking.
>
> i like thinking without believing.

oh, i think i`m knowing you a little bit...

>
> > i remeber what i did this year when i was in panic before giving
> > classes of a subject i didn`t know very well: i simply was in
> > panic all the time - but i simply didn`t try to calm down. It
> > would be simply a matter of losing energy in something that
> > wouldn`t have any utility. I prefered staying in panic trying to
> > concentrate myself everytime in the class... and in the panic.
>
> i hate it. i know that i would be easy bait for the students.

the students are a completely different kind of people when you are a teacher! :-)
>
> > every men are like that! :-)
>
> i know nothing of being hard headed...

oh, you aren`t a man indeed! :-)

>

[suzanne]

> oh really - i`m hearing schubert now.

well, i just came back from the first of the halloween festivities. this year, i'm going as the lead character from the Alfred Hitchcock classic "The Birds". I've got a blond wig, green dress, fake birds stuck on me, and fake blood as if i've been attacked. i love halloween. it's the one time of the year that I got nuts.

> i`m really becoming old.

we all are.

> this is really good indeed.

> it`s just like what happened recently to me: i had to pay for my
> medical insurance, but
> from now my father will pay for it!

after all these years, there's good old dad and his wallet.

> this is really good indeed.

> when will happen your trip?

a couple of weeks. Paris, up the chunnel, to England.

> i hope you`ll have a good one!

right now, i'm a bit nervous, but it seems that everything around this trip is falling into place so easily that it looks like it was meant to be so.

i don't know why, but i keep thinking that something is going to happen. that might be good because before i leave and do things, i'll get premonitions of yes or no. Most of the time, i can feel things working against me, but this time, i feel like something is going to change.

> the case is that i wrote i would send a list to you... but it
> was a mistake...

> i really offered a cd to you - i like to do it to people i like.
> Just mail me your adress.

um...ok. do you want something in return?

> are you so affraid of me? :-)

i'm afraid I won't get rid of you!

> do you like gene? i watched a clip from them once, and the clip
> was so similar to
> smiths` ones...

i don't care for them that much. i like the songs OK when i'm listening to them, but once i'm done, i don't have that insatiable need to listen to it again.

> it would be the case if the guy were called paul mcccartney...

> just kidding.

> oh, that`s cool!

> that`s good - i suffer too much in cold days.

i can still wear shorts and its nearly november

> it must be really hot!

> Thanksgiving is in august, isn`t it?

end of november.

> We simply don`t use to comemorate this date.

> anyway, i was impressed i went to a big shop and there were too
> many articles from
> halloween. I was happy because my daughter loves witches and i
> bought a witch fantasy to
> her, and she really liked it!

and when she grows up and starts getting into Wicca, she'll have you to thank :^)

speaking of that, i want to go see the Blair Witch Project sequel. I'm weary of it on so many levels, and my instinctual gut says it sucks, but you know, i just have to see it.

> well, but why am i impressed? in brazil i had no tradition at
> all of halloweens.

it's sort of different in the US. when i was a kid, it was strictly for the kids to get dressed up, now we've all grown up and found that we don't want to get rid of it. i'll admit, there were several years after age 13 that i didn't think of it, but halloween is as close as Austin gets to having mardi gras. sometimes, i wish i could come up with something more physically appealing than dressing as one the the Gumby's from Monty Python, but i'm just such a sucker for being different.

> hehe... this is fine.

> there are some people i know that when they go to hotter cities
> they cold the air conditioning and then use big blankets...

i had a cousin like that. she would pile all these blankets on her bed and turn up the portable fan to it's highest speed, blowing right in her face.

> hehe... so didn`t you go to school when it was raining just like
> calvin & hobbes?

sometimes. the longest we stayed out was when we got several inches of sleet. it sucked because you couldn't have fights with it, but it was good for sliding down hills.

> exactly.

> i don`t know why. germans were at skies, england didn`t need to
> talk to germans :-)

oh well.

"hey, come down here....we REALLY want to get to know you better."

> heh...

> well, talking about ancestors, i have a cousin who caught the
> italian nationality and said almost everything was prepared to
> me to get my italian nationality.

that's nice, but is there anything special you have to participate in tax wise or in the millitary? i hear that sometimes there is a conflict of interest.

> i don`t think this is important, but i think i`ll try to get it.

> ok, but we return to our point: but if this government is a real
> menace to other peoples...

> oh, i really hope so.

> what do you really think about morrissey?

> you seem to change your ideas about him sometimes.

i don't change my basic ideas. i think that for whatever reason, some ideas seem to surface to the front at different times. they don't really coincide at points. they are very nervous and cohabit next to one another simultaneously wanting to have every bit of him, and another part questioning the logic of it.

> but there are tornadoes in texas, aren`t they?

a few of them!

> hehe...

> well, i was talking my wife never appeared in some kind of
> dreams i have...

hmm...

> oh, nevermind.

> oh, probably...

> i understand... :-)

> ih, he began his novel with 18 pages description of his waking
> up... if you think his description is marvelous (i do) you`ll
> won`t stop of reading à la recherche du temps perdu until its
> end.

> have you ever read some novel of him?

> it`s wonderful!

not yet.

> heh... i`ve heard about it, but i don`t watch french films.

i do. not often, but if i'm renting a foreign film, it's usually my second stopping point. i like feeling that i'm somehow keeping up with my french.

> oh, nevermind about it!

> i`m sure you`ll think understanding me a much bigger challenge
> than playing soccer!

i don't know. have you seen me play?

> this is good indeed.

> it happens unfortunatly almost always - by chance the amount of
> pain changes considerably from time to time.

> they? who? the germans? :-)

> this is good.

> i really don`t understand why someone is proud os his scars...
> well, sometimes i understand... :-)

i'm not really sure, either, but somehow you feel like you're in the middle of it and it's good.

> oh, i think i`m knowing you a little bit...

> the students are a completely different kind of people when you
> are a teacher! :-)

yes, and i understand it and that is why i never ever considered for 2 minutes becoming a teacher.

> oh, you aren`t a man indeed! :-)

aren't i butch? :^)

[Fabricio]

> > oh really - i`m hearing schubert now.
>
> well, i just came back from the first of the halloween festivities. this year,
> i'm going as the lead character from the Alfred Hitchcock classic "The Birds".
> I've got a blond wig, green dress, fake birds stuck on me, and fake blood as
> if i've been attacked. i love halloween. it's the one time of the year that I
> got nuts.

oh, it seems a wonderful party indeed - i like witches as well as my daughter.

well, when some "witches" appear in curitiba in halloween they`re always come from
english courses...

anyway i hope this will change, as lojas americanas (as i said) are selling halloween
products!

>
> > i`m really becoming old.
>
> we all are.

i know but i`m having some signs perhaps others haven`t...

>
> > this is really good indeed.
>
> > it`s just like what happened recently to me: i had to pay for my
> > medical insurance, but
> > from now my father will pay for it!
>
> after all these years, there's good old dad and his wallet.

heh...

working with him was my destiny since the beginning.

>
> > this is really good indeed.
>
> > when will happen your trip?
>
> a couple of weeks. Paris, up the chunnel, to England.

oh great!

even thinking you should come to curitiba i think you had and excelent idea! i`ve been
in europe and i really liked it.

and tell everything! (well, if you want it, of course...)

>
> > i hope you`ll have a good one!
>
> right now, i'm a bit nervous, but it seems that everything around this trip is
> falling into place so easily that it looks like it was meant to be so.

this is good.

i still remember when my mother said i would go to europe i couldn`t believe her... that
trip seemed impossible to me.

>
> i don't know why, but i keep thinking that something is going to happen.

this "something" is the trip or are you feeling something more?

>that
> might be good because before i leave and do things, i'll get premonitions of
> yes or no. Most of the time, i can feel things working against me, but this
> time, i feel like something is going to change.

i believe in intuitions too, and i`m glad things seem to change to you.

today i felt i had a great intuition - we had elections for curitiba`s mayor. Since the
beginning i felt the present mayor would win again. Unfortunately i was correct - he and
his partners are really corrupt, unfortunately.

>
> > the case is that i wrote i would send a list to you... but it
> > was a mistake...
>
> > i really offered a cd to you - i like to do it to people i like.
> > Just mail me your adress.
>
> um...ok. do you want something in return?

of course no - i just offered you a cd and i`ll send it to you if you`ll mail me your
adress!

>
> > are you so affraid of me? :-)
>
> i'm afraid I won't get rid of you!

hehehe...

you`ll get rid of me if you want... and i`ll be really sad, know about it!

>
> > do you like gene? i watched a clip from them once, and the clip
> > was so similar to
> > smiths` ones...
>
> i don't care for them that much. i like the songs OK when i'm listening to
> them, but once i'm done, i don't have that insatiable need to listen to it
> again.

most songs i know are like that. But if i know something i really want to hear again, so
the artist enters to my list.

The case is that i pratically don`t hear anything outside of my "list"... the last guy
that entered in it is tricky. Do you know something from him?

>
> > that`s good - i suffer too much in cold days.
>
> i can still wear shorts and its nearly november

and it`s nearly november and i have to wear hot pijamas because it`s too much cold for
my taste... Curitiba is a strange city.
>
> > it must be really hot!
>
> > Thanksgiving is in august, isn`t it?
>
> end of november.

well, we really don`t have this holiday, as you know... :-)))

>
> > We simply don`t use to comemorate this date.
>
> > anyway, i was impressed i went to a big shop and there were too
> > many articles from
> > halloween. I was happy because my daughter loves witches and i
> > bought a witch fantasy to
> > her, and she really liked it!
>
> and when she grows up and starts getting into Wicca, she'll have you to thank
> :^)

what`s wicca?

>
> speaking of that, i want to go see the Blair Witch Project sequel. I'm weary
> of it on so many levels, and my instinctual gut says it sucks, but you know, i
> just have to see it.

did you like blair witch project? i`ve watched it three times and i want to watch it
again - and i hope the second one won`t be that bad... as you, i have to see it - and
just because of the first i'll enjoy it.
>
> > well, but why am i impressed? in brazil i had no tradition at
> > all of halloweens.
>
> it's sort of different in the US. when i was a kid, it was strictly for the
> kids to get dressed up, now we've all grown up and found that we don't want to
> get rid of it.

but halloween really seems a great party and that`s why almost everybody here likes it,
and not only because it comes from america.

>i'll admit, there were several years after age 13 that i didn't
> think of it, but halloween is as close as Austin gets to having mardi gras.

mardi gras is principally in new orleans, isn`t it?

> sometimes, i wish i could come up with something more physically appealing
> than dressing as one the the Gumby's from Monty Python, but i'm just such a
> sucker for being different.

and which ideas do you have about dressing something "physically appealling"?

>
> > hehe... this is fine.
>
> > there are some people i know that when they go to hotter cities
> > they cold the air conditioning and then use big blankets...
>
> i had a cousin like that. she would pile all these blankets on her bed and
> turn up the portable fan to it's highest speed, blowing right in her face.

i think people who uses to do it must have an excelent wealth, as i would be really sick
if i did it!

>
> > hehe... so didn`t you go to school when it was raining just like
> > calvin & hobbes?
>
> sometimes. the longest we stayed out was when we got several inches of sleet.
> it sucked because you couldn't have fights with it, but it was good for
> sliding down hills.

i srill remember the only snow i`ve seen - i did a statue and my mother photographed
it.
>
> > exactly.
>
> > i don`t know why. germans were at skies, england didn`t need to
> > talk to germans :-)
>
> oh well.
>
> "hey, come down here....we REALLY want to get to know you better."

"... you must be good people because Dürer, Bach, Heine, Goethe, Kleist and Beethoven
were germans..."
>
> > heh...
>
> > well, talking about ancestors, i have a cousin who caught the
> > italian nationality and said almost everything was prepared to
> > me to get my italian nationality.
>
> that's nice, but is there anything special you have to participate in tax wise
> or in the millitary? i hear that sometimes there is a conflict of interest.

oh really? i didn't know anything about it...

>
>
> > what do you really think about morrissey?
>
> > you seem to change your ideas about him sometimes.
>
> i don't change my basic ideas. i think that for whatever reason, some ideas
> seem to surface to the front at different times. they don't really coincide at
> points. they are very nervous and cohabit next to one another simultaneously
> wanting to have every bit of him, and another part questioning the logic of
> it.

oh, i really understood your definition - morrissey seems to like to do it with most
people`s brains...

he loves to be contradictory so it`s logic some ideas we have about him are
contradictory too.

>
> > but there are tornadoes in texas, aren`t they?
>
> a few of them!

have you ever seen one of them?

>
> > hehe...
>
> > well, i was talking my wife never appeared in some kind of
> > dreams i have...
>
> hmm...

and you said "hmm..." the other time... and i am really laughing now...

>
> > oh, nevermind.
>
> > oh, probably...
>
> > i understand... :-)
>
> > ih, he began his novel with 18 pages description of his waking
> > up... if you think his description is marvelous (i do) you`ll
> > won`t stop of reading à la recherche du temps perdu until its
> > end.
>
> > have you ever read some novel of him?
>
> > it`s wonderful!
>
> not yet.
>
> > heh... i`ve heard about it, but i don`t watch french films.
>
> i do. not often, but if i'm renting a foreign film, it's usually my second
> stopping point. i like feeling that i'm somehow keeping up with my french.

this is a really good idea.

generally i watch the Channel 5 in my cable TV or i read some book to keeping up with my
french... and i come here in the case of the english... :-)

>
> > i`m sure you`ll think understanding me a much bigger challenge
> > than playing soccer!
>
> i don't know. have you seen me play?

oh, never - anyway, i maintain it would be a good competition!

>
> > i really don`t understand why someone is proud os his scars...
> > well, sometimes i understand... :-)
>
> i'm not really sure, either, but somehow you feel like you're in the middle of
> it and it's good.

i see.
>
> > oh, i think i`m knowing you a little bit...
>
> > the students are a completely different kind of people when you
> > are a teacher! :-)
>
> yes, and i understand it and that is why i never ever considered for 2 minutes
> becoming a teacher.

hehe...

> > oh, you aren`t a man indeed! :-)
>
> aren't i butch? :^)

apparently yes... but after few conversations you really don`t seem it anymore.

[suzanne]

> oh, it seems a wonderful party indeed - i like witches as well
> as my daughter.

Witches have never really been on my list of very spooky things...even though I did go as one when I was little. It's like, I can believe that ghosts are real, but give me some hard evidence that spells actually work.

> well, when some "witches" appear in curitiba in
> halloween they`re always come from
> english courses...

of course! I guess they are associated with the English because of the paganism that used to exist before the Roman Catholic Church butted in and did away with it.

> anyway i hope this will change, as lojas americanas (as i said)
> are selling halloween
> products!

> i know but i`m having some signs perhaps others haven`t...

> heh...

> working with him was my destiny since the beginning.

> oh great!

> even thinking you should come to curitiba i think you had and
> excelent idea! i`ve been
> in europe and i really liked it.

i've been there once before, as the saying goes, it's nice to visit, but not to live there.

Then again, I've only been in the British Isles. I know it's nothing like the Continent.

> and tell everything! (well, if you want it, of course...)

All I know is that I'm already going to be busy and here I am having to get ready for this as well. The England half of it is not making me nervous. Just the French bit. I've never been in a position where I'm speaking in a broken language to a bunch of natives. That, and I'm taking some chances on all of this, but I look at my life and wonder what worse could come?

> this is good.

> i still remember when my mother said i would go to europe i
> couldn`t believe her... that
> trip seemed impossible to me.

It is different, but i'm sure it's not as shocking as going to Africa.

> this "something" is the trip or are you feeling
> something more?

Something more. I can't describe it except maybe a resolution...my position has changed since the last time I was there and I'm fascinated to see what has caught up.

> i believe in intuitions too, and i`m glad things seem to change
> to you.

> today i felt i had a great intuition - we had elections for
> curitiba`s mayor. Since the
> beginning i felt the present mayor would win again.
> Unfortunately i was correct - he and
> his partners are really corrupt, unfortunately.

Yeah, the good ol' system. People complain, but they also hate change.

Every year, the same thing in America. They hate what's going on, but they feel like voting for something new is a "wasted" vote and they stay with the status quo.

> of course no - i just offered you a cd and i`ll send it to you
> if you`ll mail me your
> adress!

Um, OK.

> hehehe...

> you`ll get rid of me if you want... and i`ll be really sad, know
> about it!

stand in line!

> most songs i know are like that. But if i know something i
> really want to hear again, so
> the artist enters to my list.

sometimes being beaten over the head with a song is good, but most of the time, it really doesn't work that well. if I buy their CD, I usually only listen to their big songs and retire it. that's why i like buying things of people I don't know @#!!! about.

> The case is that i pratically don`t hear anything outside of my
> "list"... the last guy
> that entered in it is tricky. Do you know something from him?

heh.

no. not really.

> and it`s nearly november and i have to wear hot pijamas because
> it`s too much cold for
> my taste... Curitiba is a strange city.

isn't that normal? You're still in your spring season, right?

> well, we really don`t have this holiday, as you know... :-)))

> what`s wicca?

"Wicca" is the religion that true witches practice. Apparently, it's not devil worship because they don't believe in God or Satan, but they commune with nature.

> did you like blair witch project? i`ve watched it three times
> and i want to watch it
> again - and i hope the second one won`t be that bad... as you, i
> have to see it - and
> just because of the first i'll enjoy it.

I'm so obsessed with the first one it's not funny.

Usually, scary movies don't really stick with me in that way. But there is something so completely different about what it is, and I found out there are two sorts of scary movie goers from this:

1. People who are scared of what they CAN see.
2. People who are scared of what they CAN'T see.

People who have to see the monster hated this movie. I'm the complete opposite and I wanted to sleep with the lights on that night!

But I did see the 2nd one. I did it yesterday afternoon, and needless to say, what I thought would happen to the movie did: it wasn't that great. It was really bad when a supposed tour group looking for the witch made it a really lame excuse to have a frat boy drinking party in the woods instead, listening to the God awful likes of Rob Zombie. The actors are terrible this time around as they opted to get rid of people with personality in favor of these wooden hipsters that looked like they rolled in on skateboards, yelling at people on the street with bullhorns in the latest dot.com commercial.

But I suppose you haven't seen those commercials, so it's hard to translate what I mean.

I'm bitter. I never would have thought there would be a sequel to the movie, but my God, let someone who loves and understands what the first one was about carry the 2nd film....

> but halloween really seems a great party and that`s why almost
> everybody here likes it,
> and not only because it comes from america.

The Europeans have it, but it's not anything like what we do.

> mardi gras is principally in new orleans, isn`t it?

Yes. I've never seen it, but I heard it's amazing.

> and which ideas do you have about dressing something
> "physically appealling"?

skimpy

but all of those costumes are boring and overdone.

speaking of slutty, I was talking with some guy at work who was talking about how some men dress slutty. He mentioned specifically sheer mesh shirts, ones you can see through, and I thought of Moz. Yes, he's a slut...

> i think people who uses to do it must have an excelent wealth,
> as i would be really sick
> if i did it!

are you kidding? no. she's not wealthy in any sense of the word.

And you do know that you catch colds from viruses and NOT air circulating quickly on your face.

> i srill remember the only snow i`ve seen - i did a statue and my
> mother photographed
> it.

i'll have to scan in my punk rock snowman!

I made a mohawk out of pine needles. He was great.

> "... you must be good people because Dürer, Bach, Heine,
> Goethe, Kleist and Beethoven
> were germans..."

Hee hee!

"You've got really great beer. Maybe you can share a pint with us! Hello?"

> oh really? i didn't know anything about it...

> oh, i really understood your definition - morrissey seems to
> like to do it with most
> people`s brains...

> he loves to be contradictory so it`s logic some ideas we have
> about him are
> contradictory too.

i know, but he's cute doing it so we can't stay mad at him long!

> have you ever seen one of them?

Believe it or not, no. Many people have seen funnel clouds, but I think (luckily) I'm always in the wrong place at the wrong time.

> and you said "hmm..." the other time... and i am
> really laughing now...

> this is a really good idea.

> generally i watch the Channel 5 in my cable TV or i read some
> book to keeping up with my
> french...

I'm great at reading. I can't do any of the rest of it, but I can read.

>and i come here in the case of the english... :-)

well, i have noticed that your english has really improved, and thankfully, you haven't taken any of my habits!

> oh, never - anyway, i maintain it would be a good competition!

Yes, me standing there looking confused.

> i see.

I think it's more than that, but to me, when a guy starts bragging about his injuries, I could care less. Usually, there is some heroic story about how they saved half of the town or scored the winning touchdown, and to me, that's trying to impress people with what you have and not with what you are.

Like this one guy I know...sort of a creepy guy if you're on the receiving end of his affections from what I hear...that all he talks about is how much money he has and his car and how much money he hopes to spend on his new place. All he does is earn money and spend it, and you see no evidence of there being any sort of thought process about anything else he likes. Then, there was another guy I knew who refused to tell girls what he did because he was afraid they would see how little he had and leave. Tell me, Fabricio, do you think that most women are concerned with money in that extent? To me, it's like if men don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a date, they think, "oh, well at least I have my sizeable wallet to fall back on. Some girl will eventually catch on that I have one."

Everyone assumes we are all broke and looking for a sugar daddy, and it's really sad.

> hehe...

> apparently yes... but after few conversations you really don`t
> seem it anymore.

Oh but Fabricio, you must be tough....and would you believe most people still don't think I'm very tough? I guess this website is probably the toughest I get.

[greasetea]

[suzanne]

Also, I have to tell you before I forget, that I had a dream about you last night. You had gotten some girl pregnant and you were paying her child support under the table so your wife wouldn't find out. I then discovered this girl might have been sleeping with someone else at the time, and I tell you to get a blood test to see who the real dad was, but you said you would rather keep paying the money because you were afraid this other girl would run and make a big stink to your wife.