Daddy's voice and Jensen Interceptor

[woman united]

A question and a comment: What is sung at the end of "Don't make fun of daddy's voice"? The text-sheet doesn't tell and I can't make it out, being a stupid foreigner and all...
I think the teenage dad drives a Jensen Interceptor for the same reason he lives on an "estate" - it's an imaginary wish. He really drives a souped up Vauxhall or whatever, and he lives in a dump. But society has decided to term this dump an "estate" to make it look better, giving it some very nice, oldfashioned connotations. Wishful thinking that you might call ideology, when relating to society, and madness when relating to the individual. Can't you just imagine him behind the wheel escaping from his tenement life for a short while, driving his "Jensen"? Nothing beats dreaming if you want to be happy...

[Sprigs]

"No te diviertes con Papi".
Which roughly translates as "Don't you have fun with Daddy"?
Apologies for crap spelling, English or otherwise.

[SpikyWench]

> I think the teenage dad drives a Jensen Interceptor for the same reason he
> lives on an "estate" - it's an imaginary wish. He really drives
> a souped up Vauxhall or whatever, and he lives in a dump. But society has
> decided to term this dump an "estate" to make it look better,
> giving it some very nice, oldfashioned connotations.

A very interesting and intelligent analysis. However, the term 'estate' simply means a shitty little council estate, much like the one I'm looking out on at the moment. Everyone in England knows what an estate is, and it has absolutely no 'nice, old fashioned connotations.'

Or do you mean that the phrase 'HIS estate' conjures up an image of the lord of the manor, surveying his environs? 'An englishman's home is his castle' kind of fantasy?

...On the high rise estate, what's at the back of your mind?

[freeyourself]

> A question and a comment: What is sung at the end of "Don't make fun
> of daddy's voice"? The text-sheet doesn't tell and I can't make it
> out, being a stupid foreigner and all...

I've seen it transcribed as "no te divierties con papi?" which apparently translates as "don't you have fun with daddy?".

I believe it's Mexican / Spanish in it's origins.

> I think the teenage dad drives a Jensen Interceptor for the same reason he
> lives on an "estate" - it's an imaginary wish. He really drives
> a souped up Vauxhall or whatever, and he lives in a dump. But society has
> decided to term this dump an "estate" to make it look better,
> giving it some very nice, oldfashioned connotations. Wishful thinking that
> you might call ideology, when relating to society, and madness when
> relating to the individual. Can't you just imagine him behind the wheel
> escaping from his tenement life for a short while, driving his
> "Jensen"? Nothing beats dreaming if you want to be happy...

Well, i'm not sure where you're from exactly, but in the UK since the turn of the century , most low cost housing was built by the State to house mainly poorer members of the working classes & rented directly from the State, who's responsibility it was/is to maintain the upkeep of the properties.

After the available space in the town centres was used up, these houses were then built on the outskirts of the towns & bunched together on what was known as a Council Estate & are found in every town & city where affordable housing had to be provided for the workers from the local factories etc.

Once this is understood, it becomes more obvious that Morrissey is being his usual wry self , for in using the term "on his estate" he draws an uneasy parallel between the Landed Gentry/Country Squire types on their sprawling 'Estates' & the poor, disenfranchised & dispossessed on their, what quickly became, run down & crowded Housing Estates.

As Morrissey's aesthetic is deeply entrenched in the 60's & 70's of his youth, he would have been aware that the Jensen Interceptor, built in England in the mid 60's through to the mid 70's, was a luxury car in it's day, only really available to the wealthy,but by the late 70's & 80's, older models could be found which were more affordable to the working man.

So I think that Morrissey means it quite literally when he says that the teenage dad has one, for with their massive V8 engines they would have been popular with the Council Estate Boy Racer types & the social climbers who felt that owning one would give them increased social status on the estates they lived on, & as time went by they could probably be picked up for a few hundred pounds.

I think you're right that they believed by owning one of these cars they would be able to sample the 'high-life' as the car still had a degree of faded glamour.

[woman united]

To all of you who insist that "estate" can only mean what we all know it means: I'm afraid all the on-line dictionaries have an entry to "estate" which implies that it can indeed also mean a property of land with a great big posh house on it.