Is Morrissey still in it for the animals?

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Darren

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What I mean is, is he still an animal rights supporter? No leather, fur, meat, etc.? I'm just curious if anyone might know.

Thanks,
Darren
 
Indeed he is, as far as I know. However:

How do you feel about wearing leather?
"I stopped wearing leather jackets a number of years ago. I do wear leather shoes though because I can't really see that there is a sensible alternative."

Are looks more important than animals?
"No, but unfortunately it still comes into it."

This came from a 1989 article from Greenscene Magazine ("The only magazine for young vegetarians"). You can find it on this website, in the "content" section.
 
The sensible alternative.

"Doc Martens" has been making non-leather shoes for a while now, in virtually any color you like. They have the same exact styles you would purchase in any mall shop.

There has been a sensible alternative for a while.

In fact they make the exact same "leather" ones Morrissey was wearing on the "Kill Uncle" and "Your Arsenal" tours.

I'm sure many people here favor "Doc MArtens."

You can get them on-line at "Vegetarian Shoes" based in England, at roughly the same price as leather ones.

http://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/

So go buy them. :)

Hurry!
 
About the leather shoes...

My Vegan friend felt the same way. He wouldn't wear anything that came from animals but he told me he just couldn't find a leather-like shoe that had the same durability and good looks as leather ones. He decided to buy the leather shoes, in spite of his ethic. I can't knock him though since I wear suede shoes all the time and while I don't eat meat, I still eat dairy. Sometimes after reading animal ethics sites/pamplets I sort of get the feeling like, hey maybe we should all start fighting for the rights of animals and bring down the cruel meat industry(because no one can deny that it is extremely cruel) but then you look at modern society and realize that it just won't happen. People don't like others telling them how to lead their lives and unless a *major* ecoli scare happens here in America, the industry is sure to keep it hush hush and its reputation intact. It's hard to admit to myself that, yeah, I'm just as guilty as many other people who simply turn a blind eye and aren't doing more but I'm not that dedicated to simply throw my life down and rededicate it to fight the injustice and cruelty to animals.

Darren¿ Indeed he is, as far as I know. However:¿ How do you feel about wearing leather?¿ "I stopped wearing leather jackets a number of years ago. I¿ do wear leather shoes though because I can't really see that¿ there is a sensible alternative."¿ Are looks more important than animals?¿ "No, but unfortunately it still comes into it."
 
Re: About the leather shoes...

The effect of buying leather products is no different than when killing animals for food. If you're doing it, you're part of the problem. Of course every little bit helps, and you might be LESS of the problem, but...

And as for the difficulty of finding non-leather alternatives, I haven't bought leather shoes in 10 years...so many non-leather sneakers are made for casual daily use, and trashy stores like Pay-Less regularly offer an abundance on non-leather "dress" shoes for low prices. It's vanity and laziness that cause animal rights supporters to break down and buy leather ones...

And as someone says below, you can buy non-leather Docs, and there are also places in the States that specialize in non-leather shoes (there's one in NYC I'm thinking of, though I don't know the name).¿ My Vegan friend felt the same way. He wouldn't wear anything¿ that came from animals but he told me he just couldn't find a¿ leather-like shoe that had the same durability and good looks as¿ leather ones. He decided to buy the leather shoes, in spite of¿ his ethic. I can't knock him though since I wear suede shoes all¿ the time and while I don't eat meat, I still eat dairy.¿ Sometimes after reading animal ethics sites/pamplets I sort of¿ get the feeling like, hey maybe we should all start fighting for¿ the rights of animals and bring down the cruel meat¿ industry(because no one can deny that it is extremely cruel) but¿ then you look at modern society and realize that it just won't¿ happen. People don't like others telling them how to lead their¿ lives and unless a *major* ecoli scare happens here in America,¿ the industry is sure to keep it hush hush and its reputation¿ intact. It's hard to admit to myself that, yeah, I'm just as¿ guilty as many other people who simply turn a blind eye and¿ aren't doing more but I'm not that dedicated to simply throw my¿ life down and rededicate it to fight the injustice and cruelty¿ to animals.¿ Darren




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I'm wearing synthetic leather NIKE's right now

There are MANY 'name brand' athletic shoes (like Nike) that are made from only synthetic leather, that look and feel just like leather. I think the reason is because they are lighter in weight, but I don't care I'm just happy they have them! I recently discovered them when I was shopping at Academy, because they list what the shoes are made of. If the type of material is not listed, you can tell by looking at the cut edge of the fabric: synth leather looks spongy inside. Some shoes use both synth and real leather so be sure to check all the seams. When in doubt, sometimes the smell test works. Happy shopping!¿ The effect of buying leather products is no different than when¿ killing animals for food. If you're doing it, you're part of the¿ problem. Of course every little bit helps, and you might be LESS¿ of the problem, but...¿ And as for the difficulty of finding non-leather alternatives, I¿ haven't bought leather shoes in 10 years...so many non-leather¿ sneakers are made for casual daily use, and trashy stores like¿ Pay-Less regularly offer an abundance on non-leather¿ "dress" shoes for low prices. It's vanity and laziness¿ that cause animal rights supporters to break down and buy¿ leather ones...¿ And as someone says below, you can buy non-leather Docs, and¿ there are also places in the States that specialize in¿ non-leather shoes (there's one in NYC I'm thinking of, though I¿ don't know the name).
 
nike employs children to work all around the world (not in the us, obviously)

nike employs (or slaves?) children to work all around the world (not in the usa, obviously). and i prefer wear a leather jacket than a synthetic nike one, because i do prefer children than animals...¿ There are MANY 'name brand' athletic shoes (like Nike) that are¿ made from only synthetic leather, that look and feel just like¿ leather. I think the reason is because they are lighter in¿ weight, but I don't care I'm just happy they have them! I¿ recently discovered them when I was shopping at Academy, because¿ they list what the shoes are made of. If the type of material is¿ not listed, you can tell by looking at the cut edge of the¿ fabric: synth leather looks spongy inside. Some shoes use both¿ synth and real leather so be sure to check all the seams. When¿ in doubt, sometimes the smell test works. Happy shopping!
 
You don't have to buy Nike, there are other brands that use synth leather

I had forgotten about that. Next time I will buy a different brand, thanks! But you can be nice to children AND nice to animals at the same time. You don't have to wear a leather jacket, there are other types of materials that are just as warm and stylish, you just have to look for them. Imagine if you were an animal (YOU ARE), would you want to be killed, eaten, and worn?¿ nike employs (or slaves?) children to work all around the world¿ (not in the usa, obviously). and i prefer wear a leather jacket¿ than a synthetic nike one, because i do prefer children than¿ animals...
 
i'm so sorry...

i'm so sorry, you are a really nice person, but i was vegan some time ago... but not anymore... and i know i'm in a point of no return... Christ ate meat, i'm catholic, i think i won't change...¿ I had forgotten about that. Next time I will buy a different¿ brand, thanks! But you can be nice to children AND nice to¿ animals at the same time. You don't have to wear a leather¿ jacket, there are other types of materials that are just as warm¿ and stylish, you just have to look for them. Imagine if you were¿ an animal (YOU ARE), would you want to be killed, eaten, and¿ worn?
 
Re: Why be sorry?

Why be sorry fabricio? you aren't the ones wearing the nikes! You made a good point, one that I have had a problem getting across to most vegetarians/vegans. Child labor is as disguisting as a slaughter house. Speaking of one, I think that if Jesus came back and accidently walked into a slaughter house, he would never eat meat again (or would he eat because he would be some sort of a walking dead person?....ok bad joke).
 
Suffer Little Childres

The Child labour situation is a complex issue that exists for many reasons. Whilst it's true that it may not actually occur in the US society there generally accepts and unwittingly encourages it. I'm certainly not throughing stones at my American cousins, England is equally as ugly in this respect. Perhaps you'd be able to help if you peruaded your Trade Union, Student Union of even yourself to join UNICEF's campaign. We seem to be preaching largely to the converted here.

Marrs.


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Re: About the leather shoes...

> The effect of buying leather products is no different than when¿ killing animals for food. If you're doing it, you're part of the¿ problem. Of course every little bit helps, and you might be LESS¿ of the problem, but...¿ And as for the difficulty of finding non-leather alternatives, I¿ haven't bought leather shoes in 10 years...so many non-leather¿ sneakers are made for casual daily use, and trashy stores like¿ Pay-Less regularly offer an abundance on non-leather¿ "dress" shoes for low prices. It's vanity and laziness¿ that cause animal rights supporters to break down and buy¿ leather ones...¿ And as someone says below, you can buy non-leather Docs, and¿ there are also places in the States that specialize in¿ non-leather shoes (there's one in NYC I'm thinking of, though I¿ don't know the name).

Yip, one can find cool vegan shoes almost anywhere. I got my "Vegetarian Shoes" boots from Heartland.




Heartland
 
You should be, sinner.

> i'm so sorry, you are a really nice person, but i was vegan some¿ time ago... but not anymore... and i know i'm in a point of no¿ return... Christ ate meat, i'm catholic, i think i won't¿ change...

You're gonna have to change unless you enjoy looking like a hypocrite. If you were a Catholic you'd respect the 10 commandments as in "Thou Shalt Not Kill." You'd follow Jesus as in...




...Jesus Was a Vegetarian
 
Re: Suffer Little Childres

Work goes to the lowest bidders. You wanna stop child labor, you'll have to overthrow captilism.¿ The Child labour situation is a complex issue that exists for¿ many reasons. Whilst it's true that it may not actually occur in¿ the US society there generally accepts and unwittingly¿ encourages it. I'm certainly not throughing stones at my¿ American cousins, England is equally as ugly in this respect.¿ Perhaps you'd be able to help if you peruaded your Trade Union,¿ Student Union of even yourself to join UNICEF's campaign. We¿ seem to be preaching largely to the converted here.¿ Marrs.




...Jesus Was a Vegetarian
 
Re: Why be sorry?

oh thanks. i was not sorry because of my ideas, but because wendy was so gentle... anyway, i respect the ethic reasons of vegans... and now another reason to be sorry.

i believe that the reason of everything here is God, and man is His best work... so the things on earth are made to make our existence here possible... that's why Christ made a huge miracle in the multiplication of fishes... but i still say that i understand and i respect the vegans...¿ Why be sorry fabricio? you aren't the ones wearing the nikes!¿ You made a good point, one that I have had a problem getting¿ across to most vegetarians/vegans. Child labor is as disguisting¿ as a slaughter house. Speaking of one, I think that if Jesus¿ came back and accidently walked into a slaughter house, he would¿ never eat meat again (or would he eat because he would be some¿ sort of a walking dead person?....ok bad joke).
 
Re: You should be, sinner.

have you ever read the Old Testament? there were lots of animals killed in sacrifice in Moses time... the same time of the 10 commandments... that you may know...

and i'm a sinner. satan will certainly rejected my soul, as low as he goes etc etc¿ You're gonna have to change unless you enjoy looking like a¿ hypocrite. If you were a Catholic you'd respect the 10¿ commandments as in "Thou Shalt Not Kill." You'd follow¿ Jesus as in...
 
Re: Suffer Little Childres

> Work goes to the lowest bidders. You wanna stop child labor,¿ you'll have to overthrow captilism.
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That's not necessarily true. Little kids used to work in the mines. Laws were passed. The practice stopped. Capitalism continued unabated, in fact gaining strength from shedding its ugliest abuses.
 
Re: I'm wearing synthetic leather NIKE's right now

I got a brand new pair of lugs boots on.....leather leather leather and I must say I like em...in fact its the 2nd pair I have bought......... not to be a dick or anything but, we are animals too we are just higher up then the rest...they kill and eat each other why should we feel bad about it? got me? sure maybe we shouldn't treat the animals so cruel but what are we going to do about it...nothing its next to impossible
Kakarot
 
Re: Suffer Little ChildreN

> -----------¿ That's not necessarily true. Little kids used to work in the¿ mines. Laws were passed. The practice stopped. Capitalism¿ continued unabated, in fact gaining strength from shedding its¿ ugliest abuses.

So if child labor laws pass in every single country on the planet will the problem be solved?




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Re: Suffer Little ChildreN

> So if child labor laws pass in every single country on the¿ planet will the problem be solved?
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That's certainly an unlikely proposal, but yes, if every country had a law on the books, and every country enforced it, then there would be only very occasional and illegal instances of child labor.

That wasn't really my point, though. What I was saying was that there is plenty of room for progressive social change within the confines of dominant capitalism. I'm a socialist myself, and I knew what your link meant without having to click it first. That said, our history is rife with examples of huge victories which have left capitalism intact - abolition, suffrage, and hundreds more.

I used to read the Trotskyist newspapers, and one of them contained an editorial titled "End Pollution? Via Revolution!" That's the kind of all or nothing, "eggs in one basket" thinking that renders radicalism practically useless.
 
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