dean butterworth

[anonymous]

good to see that people are finally appreciating his talents!

[Rusty Brown]

> good to see that people are finally appreciating his talents!

I'm really impressed by the drum part at the end of "Munich Air Disaster". The song is not that great, but the drum part should be considered carefully.

[anonymous]

> I'm really impressed by the drum part at the end of "Munich Air
> Disaster". The song is not that great, but the drum part should be
> considered carefully.

yes, i totally agree, very evocative

[Jamie]

> good to see that people are finally appreciating his talents!

I wholeheartedly agree. Having heard his work with Ben Harper, I knew there would be a certain amount of backsliding from the critical fans. I think he stepped into an extremely difficult situation by replacing a well-loved drummer's shoes (Spencer; I'm not considering Spike b/c he didn't record with Morrissey) and not only has made some great contributions to the new songs, but also breathed fresh life into older numbers (Everyday is Like Sunday and November Spawned a Monster, to name two). In addition, Gary Day obviously honed his chops even more during the Bridgwood years b/c his bass playing on the new material is very smooth and authoritative. I think this is the strongest Lads line-up by far.

Cheers,

Jamie

[sdavenport666]

please confirm. i really must know how carefully i need to consider the drum part.

> I'm really impressed by the drum part at the end of "Munich Air
> Disaster". The song is not that great, but the drum part should be
> considered carefully.

[LoafingOaf]

> I wholeheartedly agree. Having heard his work with Ben Harper, I knew
> there would be a certain amount of backsliding from the critical fans. I
> think he stepped into an extremely difficult situation by replacing a
> well-loved drummer's shoes (Spencer; I'm not considering Spike b/c he
> didn't record with Morrissey) and not only has made some great
> contributions to the new songs, but also breathed fresh life into older
> numbers (Everyday is Like Sunday and November Spawned a Monster, to name
> two). In addition, Gary Day obviously honed his chops even more during the
> Bridgwood years b/c his bass playing on the new material is very smooth
> and authoritative. I think this is the strongest Lads line-up by far.

Woodie Taylor played bass on my fave Morrissey album but I only read one interview by him in my life. Gary Day looks very cool and has been in and out with Moz for over a decade, yet I still don't feel I know him. Dean Butterworth, who I've yet to see in concert, looks like a nice guy, but I don't feel I know him at all.

I feel Morrissey's band is too much in the backround. Is this by mutual consent, or is Morrissey afraid they'd get too uppity? Morrissey never talks about them and hardly ever includes pictures of them in releases. They don't talk much and perhaps they don't want to, I don't know. Boz, who I think is a *very* cool guy who I've gotten to know quite a bit more than the others, nevertheless does a tour diary that is very superficial. Top Ten beers, went to Amoeba records again. Was there any point in him even starting his second diary? He rarely updates it, and when he does he never talks much about the gigs or the songs or anything much at all.

I was very fond of Spencer, and then he was gone, and I've never heard about why he left. That makes me sad.

It seemed like he was very excited that one of his songs was possibly gonna be a new b-side:

>>>>
I heard from Spencer Cobrin on Saturday. He mentioned "It's Hard To Walk Tall When You're Small": "This is a track I co-wrote with Morrissey a few years ago which was never completed but is now going to see light of day as a b-side to his new single "Irish Blood, English Heart." I hope curiosity gets the better of you, as it has me, and make your way down to Tower or Virgin at 6 AM and pick up a copy!"
>
Update from Spencer: "It's not my song."

[xrenatox]

Does anybody here know why Gaz were out of the band for some time(94-99 rigth?)??

[LoafingOaf]

> Does anybody here know why Gaz were out of the band for some time(94-99
> rigth?)??

Someone once posted on this board that Gary had some substance abuse issue, but I have absolutely no idea. Don't assume that's true, because you know how much bullshit is on this board. He's been involved with other bands, such as the Frantic Flintstones, so maybe he left on his own.

I'm not trying to pry into anyone's personal life. If that rumor was true I don't need to know more about it. But I would like to know something about why he left. I'd also like to know more about his personality and thoughts in general.

I'm very glad he's back. He sounds good on the new songs too. = )

[wheredidallthespennysgo]

> I was very fond of Spencer, and then he was gone, and I've never heard
> about why he left. That makes me sad.

That's easy: 1)because he got tired of Moz trying to bum him

2)because alain and boz were mean to him because they were jealous when he started writing songs with moz

> The new album's liner notes say that all songs are by Morrissey/Whyte. No
> one here knows why Boz doesn't have any credits.

Obviously because he didn't write any of them. Maybe Alain is the new Bunny??

[anonymous]

check out the Ben Harper Pleasure and Pain DVD to get more of an idea of Dean

Boz has written some really good songs in the past, Jack the Ripper being one them

[wheredidallthespennysgo]

??? What the fuck does this have to do with my post?

[LoafingOaf]

> That's easy: 1)because he got tired of Moz trying to bum him

> 2)because alain and boz were mean to him because they were jealous when he
> started writing songs with moz

Spencer was proving to be a good songwriter, although we have no idea if he could be prolific. And then he was gone. Remember the video where he licks some of Morrissey's ice cream? They looked like good pals.

> Obviously because he didn't write any of them. Maybe Alain is the new
> Bunny??

But Morrissey said on Janice Long that Boz co-wrote "The World is Full of Crashing Bores." If Morrissey thinks his autobiography is gonna set facts straight he ought to stop being so darned unreliable! = )

[mumu]

> please confirm. i really must know how carefully i need to consider the
> drum part.

Yes, I second that. I don't want to waste my valuable time reconsidering carefully unless it's really neccessary. On a scale of 1 - 10 please.

[wheredidallthespennysgo]

> Spencer was proving to be a good songwriter, although we have no idea if
> he could be prolific. And then he was gone.

Exactly. He was a threat to Alain and Boz, and they therefore felt it neccessary to make him feel unwelcome.

>Remember the video where he licks some of Morrissey's ice cream? They looked like good pals.

Yeah, pals, but that doesn't mean he wanted to get it on with him.

[LoafingOaf]

> please confirm. i really must know how carefully i need to consider the
> drum part.

While you gave me a chuckle here, I must nevertheless ask why you, "sadevenport", must always have such a huge stick up your ass?

If anyone would like to see just how big that stick up his/her ass is, do a search for "sdavenport" and you'll find that in every message he's ever posted he's...rather cunty to say the least!

[LoafingOaf]

> Exactly. He was a threat to Alain and Boz, and they therefore felt it
> neccessary to make him feel unwelcome.

> Yeah, pals, but that doesn't mean he wanted to get it on with him.

My theory, I'm afraid, is that Morrissey felt so burned by past drummers and bassists that he's decided to keep rotating them and keep them "in their place".

[wheredidallthespennysgo]

> My theory, I'm afraid, is that Morrissey felt so burned by past drummers
> and bassists that he's decided to keep rotating them and keep them
> "in their place".

The only place Moz wanted to keep Spencer in was his bed.

[LoafingOaf]

> The only place Moz wanted to keep Spencer in was his bed.

And you know this how?

You're not the first who's posted this. However, I generally assume people are full of shit (including myself!).

[LoafingOaf]

> Woodie Taylor played bass on my fave Morrissey album but I only read one

Opps I'm sorry for spacing as I typed...I meant DRUMS.

[KP]

LO,

I don't know anything personal about the boys in the band, so I cannot provide any real insight to this thread; however, I saw the first show at the Apollo (and will see the last on Saturday) and can report on the stage presence of the band.

Morrissey introduced himself and the band with "Good evening, we are Morrissey".

The keyboardist stayed in the his spot stage left all evening but played an impressive range of instruments: trumpet, bongos, accordian, submarine blip.

Alain and Boz came forward for solos, and at one point, Boz was surfing his guitar around with one hand, looking for feedback waves.

Gary came forward as well -- I believe it was for EILS, but looked tremendously shy. No eye contact with the audience, very concentrated looks while playing.

The surprise of the evening for me was Deano. He played the entire set in suit and tie, buttoned up and tight. His enthusiasm was evident (singing along, big arm movements to show energy, lots of smiling and conversing with the rest of the band).

At the end, they all stood together, arms around shoulders for a big bow, smiling the entire time, blowing kisses to the audience, and threw out all the standard band trinkets (sticks, picks, drumhead as well, I think).

They played really well and looked like they had a great time. Did I mention that Morrissey was there, and, if you'll forgive the expression, rocked?

Your personal interest into the band members aside, I think you're going to have a great time seeing Morrissey (all of them).

KP