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Why do so many of you hate Madonna? I think a lot of serious Madonna fans are also into Morrissey. They are actually quite similar artists. Yes, that's what I said.
 
God, I hope this person is trying to be funny

At least they had the smarts not to use their real name.
 
Re: God, I hope this person is trying to be funny

> At least they had the smarts not to use their real name.

Listen, the only reason Madonna is reviled as a whore is because she's a woman. Morrissey plays with the same images and ideas and he's worshipped as a genius, cuz he's a man.
 
Re: God, I hope this person is trying to be funny

we feel morrissey`s heart and soul when he sings.

we can`t feel anything when madonna sings.

that`s the difference.

music is not only images and ideas.

> Listen, the only reason Madonna is reviled as a whore is because
> she's a woman. Morrissey plays with the same images and ideas
> and he's worshipped as a genius, cuz he's a man.
 
Re: God, I hope this person is trying to be funny

what's wrong with madonna?
she's strong.
morrissey snobs are so boring ...
 
Re: God, I hope this person is trying to be funny

"we feel his heart & soul when he sings" ... christ, grow up you whiny little child. he means it as much as madonna. open your mind. if you think morrissey is doing it just for you, well, you're mistaken. besides, didn't your deity (a dangerous place to put him you deluded fool) often say how much he admired and liked madonna?
 
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> "we feel his heart & soul when he sings" ...
> christ, grow up you whiny little child. he means it as much as
> madonna. open your mind.

do you really can feel any sentiment in madonna`s singing?

really?

well, i think you have to grow up.

some madonna`s songs are not bad at all. but she feels anything when singing. perhaps her most important sentiment is the desire of making money...

> if you think morrissey is doing it just
> for you, well, you're mistaken.

???????

>besides, didn't your deity (a
> dangerous place to put him you deluded fool) often say how much
> he admired and liked madonna?

i have never heard about it, and if He said it it`s his right.

madonna may be even a good person, i don`t know.

but i can`t feel anything in her way of singing, that`s all.

the same way morrissey said beck is incredible "untrue" (and i agree with him in this point), madonna in incredible "untrue" to me.




a female singer who is not "untrue" at all
 
...and still not brave enough to use their real name.

That's right, I must have missed Morrissey's deep and meaningful Sex book full of rape imagery and and desperate voyuerism....

Are you that much of a f*cking idiot that you think Madonna has even an ounce of credibility? I usually don't get very passionate about things that don't directly affect me, but this Madonna issue (and not just this meaningless post, but anyone I meet who puts her up on a pedistal) baffles and angers me.

How can anyone with a half a brain admire someone who jumps from one consumer trend to another (she claims to innovate, but we all know sh'e always a year behind the curve), disrobe for charities, consistently write bland, labored lyrics, and promote gangbangs for profit?

For Christ's sake, she can't even get her fake British accent right.
 
Re: God, I hope this person is trying to be funny

> we feel morrissey`s heart and soul when he sings.

> we can`t feel anything when madonna sings.

We? Speak for yourself. There are more Morrissey fans that like Madonna than you think.
 
Re: God, I hope this person is trying to be funny

> some madonna`s songs are not bad at all. but she feels anything
> when singing. perhaps her most important sentiment is the desire
> of making money...

Why talk about this when you don't know what you are even talking about? If she was to make money she would be like Celine Dion and have everyone else do the writing and work for her. Madonna works hard and she has something to say. Here's a quote "I didn't get into music because I thought I had a great voice or because I thought I could dance well, I got into music because I have something to say". Do you really think that she would have taken all the risks she has if she just wanted to make money? Watch VH1's Madonna: Behind the Music if you can. Also check out the classic albums like Like a Prayer, Erotica, Bedtime Stories. And watch the videos like Justify My Love, Bedtime Story, Human Nature, Like a Prayer, etc. Maybe then you'll have a different idea of her.
 
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> We? Speak for yourself. There are more Morrissey fans that like
> Madonna than you think.

but there are other morrissey fans who don`t like madonna.

so this "we" represents "i and the other morrissey fans that don`t like madonna because she sings with no sentiment".

(i just don`t know i wrote this...)
 
Re: God, I hope this person is trying to be funny

> Why talk about this when you don't know what you are even
> talking about? If she was to make money she would be like Celine
> Dion and have everyone else do the writing and work for her.
> Madonna works hard and she has something to say. Here's a quote
> "I didn't get into music because I thought I had a great
> voice or because I thought I could dance well, I got into music
> because I have something to say". Do you really think that
> she would have taken all the risks she has if she just wanted to
> make money?
> Watch VH1's Madonna: Behind the Music if you can.
> Also check out the classic albums like Like a Prayer, Erotica,
> Bedtime Stories. And watch the videos like Justify My Love,
> Bedtime Story, Human Nature, Like a Prayer, etc. Maybe then
> you'll have a different idea of her.

greater the risk, greater the money.

this is the first lesson in a financing course.

anyway, as i can`t feel any sentiment in her singing, i just made a theory that i just can`t prove (but she sang "material girl", didn`t she?)

but perhaps i am wrong. perhaps she wants to change the world. perhaps she wants to put pornography as an art. perhaps she wants to fight for the gay rights. (and i may be wrong but i can`t see too much sincerity in her "fights" - another impression...)

and she seems a good person - at least she seems a good mother.

but when i hear her singing... sorry it`s so tedious (even if some songs are really great)
 
Its really laughable

I dont really like her Music and it hasnt said anything to me about my life.. But i do respect her as a singer with her OWN ideas. As far as fashion trend goes.. She did set alot of styles.. Just like morrissey back in the 80s. Just look at one of her concerts back then all the girls wanted to look like her~just as a smiths concert had many many moz look alikes.
 
> Why do so many of you hate Madonna? I think a lot of serious
> Madonna fans are also into Morrissey. They are actually quite
> similar artists. Yes, that's what I said.

Similar as Night & Day, I totally agree...
 
> Why do so many of you hate Madonna? I think a lot of serious
> Madonna fans are also into Morrissey. They are actually quite
> similar artists. Yes, that's what I said.

Madonna has a few pleasant tunes scattered about her discography. And she is an important artist. But, she's too much of a cold industry to me. I only have the Immaculate Collection. = )
 
> Madonna has a few pleasant tunes scattered about her
> discography. And she is an important artist. But, she's too much
> of a cold industry to me. I only have the Immaculate Collection.
> = )

Oooh, you have to pick up Bedtime Stories! It's her best from start to finish. Erotica is excellent as well. (I used to be one of those people that only had the IC too)
 
Re: God, I hope this person is trying to be funny

> greater the risk, greater the money.

> this is the first lesson in a financing course.

Well Erotica and Bedtime Stories were flops compared to her other albums but she kept with it and tried to get people to listen to her. You listen to her in interviews and she talks about how she hates hypocrisy, bigotry, etc. The time of Erotica and Bedtime Stories she was her at her peak of shoving truths in peoples' faces. She got passionate and obsessive about it. It wasn't a time for money because she had already made plenty and she was taking advatage of her situation to try to change the world.

> (and i may be wrong but i
> can`t see too much sincerity in her "fights" - another
> impression...)

and like I said, you're not seeing the full picture. She's a very private person (believe it or not) but it is possible to see her sincerity.

So if you're up to looking further, watch a good documentary on her (VH1 most likely), get some of her albums and watch her videos, and rent "The Girlie Show Down Under".
 
Re: ...and still not brave enough to use their real name.

Well, you could look at Morrissey and say he's just a self-promoting, egomaniacal bitch with racist tendencies (if you were just to look at the surface). And he's never done anything for anyone and he's cruel and selfish. But we know he's more than that, don't we?

Morrissey puts naked men on his album covers (porn) and sings about male prostitutes, and that's somehow artistic and liberating. Madonna flirts with lesbianism and also uses sexual images, but she gets called a slut. DOUBLE STANDARD.

Obviously Morrissey and Madonna are very different artists who make different kinds of pop music. But I think in a very general way they are similar. Both of them attack traditional gender roles and promote sexual individualism. Also both of them have developed iconic status by projecting themselves on the images past icons (James Dean, Marilyn Monroe, etc). Both of them like to make dramatic statements and gestures. And Madonna is entirely her own creation, with complete control over her own image and art. There's only one Madonna. You can say the same for Morrissey.

There are Madonna conventions, Madonna fanzines and Madonna impersonators. That tells you something about what she means to her fans. You have to respect the achievement of anyone who has managed to put such a collossal personal stamp on pop culture.
 
> Oooh, you have to pick up Bedtime Stories! It's her best from
> start to finish. Erotica is excellent as well. (I used to be one
> of those people that only had the IC too)

Hmm...I may consider checking them out. I'm kind of in a cheesy phase. I've been replacing my ABBA vinyl with ABBA CDs lately, for example.

I do like her song from Autin Powers 2! But I didn't buy that soundtrack because it has a Lenny Kravitz song.
 
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> Well, you could look at Morrissey and say he's just a
> self-promoting, egomaniacal bitch with racist tendencies (if you
> were just to look at the surface). And he's never done anything
> for anyone and he's cruel and selfish. But we know he's more
> than that, don't we?

> Morrissey puts naked men on his album covers (porn) and sings
> about male prostitutes, and that's somehow artistic and
> liberating. Madonna flirts with lesbianism and also uses sexual
> images, but she gets called a slut. DOUBLE STANDARD.

> Obviously Morrissey and Madonna are very different artists who
> make different kinds of pop music. But I think in a very general
> way they are similar. Both of them attack traditional gender
> roles and promote sexual individualism. Also both of them have
> developed iconic status by projecting themselves on the images
> past icons (James Dean, Marilyn Monroe, etc). Both of them like
> to make dramatic statements and gestures. And Madonna is
> entirely her own creation, with complete control over her own
> image and art. There's only one Madonna. You can say the same
> for Morrissey.

> There are Madonna conventions, Madonna fanzines and Madonna
> impersonators. That tells you something about what she means to
> her fans. You have to respect the achievement of anyone who has
> managed to put such a collossal personal stamp on pop culture.
 
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