what albums were great debut albums, despite a band's historical place in the pantheon of pop?

[Belligerent Ghoul]

For Starters:

The Smiths (Eponymous)

Morrissey, Viva Hate

Pearl Jam, Ten

Counting Crows, August & Everything After (yes they went to poop after this)

The Cranberries, Everybody else is doing it so why can't we?

Lenny Kravitz, Let Love Rule

The Cure, Three Imaginary Boys

The Beatles, Please Please Me

Guns N Roses, Appetite for Destruction

The Sex Pistols, Never Mind The Bollocks

REM, Murmur

Elvis Presley, The Sun Studio Recordings

Madonna (Eponymous)

The House of Love (Eponymous)

The Clash (UK Version)

[Bluenose]

Hmmm...don't agree with all of your choices, but there has been enough bickering on here of late so I won't publicly slag them off. Apart from The Smiths, may I add

The Specials

London 0 Hull 4 - The Housemartins

The Stone Roses

High Land Hard Rain - Aztec Camera

Desperate Character - Kirsty MacColl

The Kick Inside - Kate Bush

The Undertones

Squeeze

That's all I can think of at the moment.

[A.K1976]

> Hmmm...don't agree with all of your choices, but there has been enough
> bickering on here of late so I won't publicly slag them off. Apart from
> The Smiths, may I add

> The Specials

> London 0 Hull 4 - The Housemartins

> The Stone Roses

> High Land Hard Rain - Aztec Camera

> Desperate Character - Kirsty MacColl

> The Kick Inside - Kate Bush

> The Undertones

> Squeeze

> That's all I can think of at the moment.

Here are some more

Magazine - Real Life
Gang Of Four - Entertainment
Wire - Pink Flag
Kate Bush - The Kick Inside
Everything But The Girl - Eden (great second album as well, crap after)
The Pretenders
The Stranglers - Rattus Norvegicus
Dexys Midnight Runners - Searching For The Young Soul Rebels
Buzzcocks - Another Music In A Different Kitchen
Ian Dury - New Boots & Panties
The Only Ones
Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True
Portishead - Dummy
Goldfrapp - Felt Mountain
The Jam - In The City (though far from their best)
The Selecter - Too Much Presure
The Beat - I Just Can't Stop It
Inspiral Carpets - Life
Billy Bragg - Lifes A Riot With Spy Vs Spy (a bit short though)
The Ruts - The Crack
Ruts DC - Animal Now

[Bluenose]

AGHHHHHH!!! Of course!! how could I forget Dexy's, The Jam, The Beat and Billy (Kirsty should have prompted me there)

I'd like to add

Olympian by Gene
Back In The DHSS by Half Man Half Biscuit, too.

> Here are some more

> Magazine - Real Life
> Gang Of Four - Entertainment
> Wire - Pink Flag
> Kate Bush - The Kick Inside
> Everything But The Girl - Eden (great second album as well, crap after)
> The Pretenders
> The Stranglers - Rattus Norvegicus
> Dexys Midnight Runners - Searching For The Young Soul Rebels
> Buzzcocks - Another Music In A Different Kitchen
> Ian Dury - New Boots & Panties
> The Only Ones
> Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True
> Portishead - Dummy
> Goldfrapp - Felt Mountain
> The Jam - In The City (though far from their best)
> The Selecter - Too Much Presure
> The Beat - I Just Can't Stop It
> Inspiral Carpets - Life
> Billy Bragg - Lifes A Riot With Spy Vs Spy (a bit short though)
> The Ruts - The Crack
> Ruts DC - Animal Now

[Bluenose]

[The Magic Fairy]

Not forgetting:

Unknown Pleasures - Joy Division
Television - Marquee Moon
The Pale Saints - The Comforts of Madness
Television Personalities - And Don't The Kids Just Love It
The Strokes - Is This It*

TMF

* only joking)

[Worm]

Hypocrisy Is The Greatest Luxury Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy
Foxbase Alpha Saint Etienne
Murmur R.E.M.
Horses Patti Smith
Unknown Pleasures Joy Division
Crocodiles Echo & The Bunnymen
The Clash
Reading, Writing & Arithmetic The Sundays
Nowhere Ride
Psychocandy The Jesus And Mary Chain
The Velvet Underground and Nico

[Weiß]

[Johnny]

> For Starters:

> The Smiths (Eponymous)

> Morrissey, Viva Hate

> Pearl Jam, Ten

> Counting Crows, August & Everything After (yes they went to poop after
> this)

> The Cranberries, Everybody else is doing it so why can't we?

> Lenny Kravitz, Let Love Rule

> The Cure, Three Imaginary Boys

> The Beatles, Please Please Me

> Guns N Roses, Appetite for Destruction

> The Sex Pistols, Never Mind The Bollocks

> REM, Murmur

> Elvis Presley, The Sun Studio Recordings

> Madonna (Eponymous)

> The House of Love (Eponymous)

> The Clash (UK Version)

The Clash / The Clash.Velvet Underground, Dexys - Searching For The Young Soul Rebels and believe it ir not UB40 / Signing Off.-

[Bluenose]

> and believe it ir not UB40 / Signing Off.-

I always knew you were partial to a bit of Brummie vocals, J.

[A.K1976]

> I always knew you were partial to a bit of Brummie vocals, J.

The early stuff by UB40 is good, but they quickly became sort of pop reggae.

Can't believe I forgot Velvet Underground & Nico.

[Patrick McCann]

> I always knew you were partial to a bit of Brummie vocals, J.

Too many of you pesky kids have already mentioned my choices. Okay, what's left?

Orange Juice - you can't hide your love forever.
Siouxsie & The Banshees - the scream.
The Rezillos - can't stand the rezillos.
Weezer - weezer.
The Fall - live at the witch trials.
Roxy Music - roxy music.
The Pogues - red roses for me.
Idlewild - captain (mini-album). hope is important (full debut). Either one.

That's all for now. Mentally exhausted. Going for a lie-down.

[Bluenose]

You're right about UB40. Their early singles were similar in their anti-Thatcher message to their contempories like The Specials and The Beat. It is a pity they became lazy and just released old reggae covers.

> The early stuff by UB40 is good, but they quickly became sort of pop
> reggae.

> Can't believe I forgot Velvet Underground & Nico.

[Bluenose]

> Orange Juice - you can't hide your love forever.

Damn!! That was another one I forgot.

> Weezer - weezer.

I wouldn't have had you down as a fan of Weezer, Paddy. Good album, but haven't liked much of what they have done since.

[nonesoever]

I am the one in ten
A number on a list
I am the one in ten
Even though I don`t exist
Nobody Knows me
Even though I`m always there
A statistic, a reminder
Of a world that doesn`t care

[Johnny]

> The early stuff by UB40 is good, but they quickly became sort of pop
> reggae.

> Can't believe I forgot Velvet Underground & Nico.

The first UB40 album is brilliant. I know it's hard to believe.

[Johnny]

> I always knew you were partial to a bit of Brummie vocals, J.

Obviously I prefer the instrumentals

[Patrick McCann]

> Damn!! That was another one I forgot.

> I wouldn't have had you down as a fan of Weezer, Paddy. Good album, but
> haven't liked much of what they have done since.

Well, that's almost identical to me, Bluebles. Except I haven't even heard their follow-up stuff.
I had a wee spurt (oo-err) of let's-see-if-I-can-delay-the-onset-of-middle-age in the mid-90's.
So I got to like Weezer, Pulp, Gene, and.. erm...that's it.
Weezer - loved their debut album but didn't follow up. Simply couldn't be arsed.
Pulp - loved 'his 'n' hers' and followed them through to the majestic 'we love life'. One of my all-time favourite bands, with The Velvets, 72-75 Roxy Music (whom all the kids here would be gushing about if Morrissey had said he liked them), loads of punk bands, and The Smiths.
Gene - loved 'olympian' (great choice Bluebles). Loved 'drawn to the deep end'. But then just gave up . Like with Weezer, I don't know why.
So if my readers from Weezer and Gene are reading this - it was nothing you guys did, it was me.

[Bluenose]

Don't tell me there is another similarity!

I heard a few tracks off 'Pinkerton', which was the 2nd Weezer album i think, but wasn't that bothered about them. I remember they had a long break becuase the singer had an operation on his leg becuase one was longer than the other! Another Bluenose useless fact, there.

Didn't realise you held Pulp in such high esteem. I bought 'A Different Class', but was a bit diasappointed with the track on it. I love the sleeve design though. The vinyl (naturally) had interchangable cards so you can create your own cover. For me, their best stuff was 'Intro' and 'His 'n' Hers'.

I think Gene are a fabulous band. I have seen them live several times. Fantastic. There was a danger of them being overshadowed by the comparisons that were made between them and The Smiths, but personally, I don't think they are as alike as the NME et al made out.

> Well, that's almost identical to me, Bluebles. Except I haven't even heard
> their follow-up stuff.
> I had a wee spurt (oo-err) of
> let's-see-if-I-can-delay-the-onset-of-middle-age in the mid-90's.
> So I got to like Weezer, Pulp, Gene, and.. erm...that's it.
> Weezer - loved their debut album but didn't follow up. Simply couldn't be
> arsed.
> Pulp - loved 'his 'n' hers' and followed them through to the majestic 'we
> love life'. One of my all-time favourite bands, with The Velvets, 72-75
> Roxy Music (whom all the kids here would be gushing about if Morrissey had
> said he liked them), loads of punk bands, and The Smiths.
> Gene - loved 'olympian' (great choice Bluebles). Loved 'drawn to the deep
> end'. But then just gave up . Like with Weezer, I don't know why.
> So if my readers from Weezer and Gene are reading this - it was nothing
> you guys did, it was me.

[Patrick McCann]

> Don't tell me there is another similarity!

> I heard a few tracks off 'Pinkerton', which was the 2nd Weezer album i
> think, but wasn't that bothered about them. I remember they had a long
> break becuase the singer had an operation on his leg becuase one was
> longer than the other! Another Bluenose useless fact, there.

Aye, I know they took a break. Didn't one of them form a band called The Rentals? Maybe not. Something like that though. I know the main man had a pretentious name. Rivers, or something. I just gave up. By that time the march of middle age was irresistable

> Didn't realise you held Pulp in such high esteem.

I do. They're up there with the best ever.

I bought 'A Different
> Class', but was a bit diasappointed with the track on it. I love the
> sleeve design though. The vinyl (naturally) had interchangable cards so
> you can create your own cover. For me, their best stuff was 'Intro' and
> 'His 'n' Hers'.

The darker stuff of 'this is hardcore' is criminally under-rated. From 'party hard'
- 'I was having a whale of a time,

until your uncle psychosis arrived.'
That's different...erm..class.

> I think Gene are a fabulous band. I have seen them live several times.
> Fantastic.

Superb. Saw them twice at the Barrowlands. Almost exactly a year apart. Jan 96 and Jan 97. I'm good at dates when there's other. erm.. things going on.

There was a danger of them being overshadowed by the
> comparisons that were made between them and The Smiths, but personally, I
> don't think they are as alike as the NME et al made out.

Nope, me neither.
Now stop this, Bluebles. I'm getting scared.