Warsaw - Stodola (Nov. 19, 2014) post-show

CrystalGeezer · Nov 20, 2014

Anonymous said:
Nope. Clover Dean, Moz's number 1 LA stalker is friends with him on Facebook and she decided to tweet the private conversation they had on FB.

Classy. What a nightmare that he has to duck people like this.

Anonymous · Nov 20, 2014

The message below was posted on LIVE NATION site. They say that someone said to Morrissey an insulting and chauvinistic comment an that's why he left. But the most important part is that if you were at the Warsaw gig you can go for free to the Krakow one on 21 Nov. If you are interested write to [email protected].

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INFORMACJA PRASOWA (19.11.2014)

Data: 19-11-14

INFORMACJA PRASOWA (19.11.2014)
W trakcie dzisiejszego koncertu Morrisseya w klubie Stodoła w Warszawie jeden z widzów stojących blisko sceny wypowiedział niezwykle obraźliwe i szowinistyczne słowa pod adresem Artysty. Zaistniała sytuacja zmusiła Artystę do opuszczenia sceny.
Zapraszamy wszystkich obecnych na warszawskim koncercie do nieodpłatnego uczestnictwa w koncercie krakowskim, który odbędzie się w Łaźni Nowej 21 listopada 2014 roku.
Zainteresowanych prosimy o kontakt pod adresem [email protected]

I'd love to go as it was my first Morrissey show but I can't. I'm from Poznan and to go there and be on time I'd have to leave tomorrow evening, I can't take another day off and afford additional travel costs. I doubt many people will be able to go.

Harsh Truth · Nov 20, 2014

docinwestchester said:

lolz.

Anonymous · Nov 20, 2014

If Morrissey misheard, then he overreacted. However, would it kill you all in the audience to just shut up and let him tell his story? He has said before that he came to see you as much as you went to see him. (Also, it's probably better to drunk heckle towards the end of the show rather than the beginning.)

Belligerent Ghoul · Nov 20, 2014

Something is being lost here. And please, I am not an enabler of Morrissey or anyone. This appears to be a gut, visceral, passionate, reaction and Morrissey is an extraordinarily sensitive person. A button was pushed albeit by a total stranger. If what was said was "shut up and sing/play" I can absolutely, unequivocally agree with those who said he should have continued. No debate - undermining my own reasoning - and saying 'suck it up, be a man, etc.' Remove the offender and continue the concert.

However, if someone mentioned Manchester, Old Trafford, etc., I think that isn't the same. We have no idea what is going on in Morrissey's head in relation to Manchester. We have no idea what his feelings towards Manchester are. We don't know how his mother, who was ill and recovered, is doing. We do know that he is sick of being always referred to as the former lead singer of The Smiths and in that fashion, and in that way, always being pulled back to Manchester. I'm inclined to think the former would make him pissed but be able to carry on - but that the latter could bring up a tsunami of emotions whereby he simply could not continue.

If he could continue but did not, that's wrong in my mind. If he could not continue...I mean it's not like he could recline on an analyst's couch right there...and so the show ends.

The storm offs, the walk offs, are not new but given how rare they were from when the Smiths ended to say Liverpool (2009), it seems he is growing more thin-skinned. He is older, he is isn't going to change, he is without a record label, his album was pulled after 3 weeks (or he pulled it) because Harvest Records failed to market the album properly, his bass player just left, and he's really concerned about his legacy about how he will be remembered. He doesn't want to go out on this note. You say, XYZ pop star would have soldiered on. I say XYZ pop star would have just as likely gone into recluse mode after all the drama that came before this tour. Why does he tour? To pay Mike Joyce. No. Morrissey's estimated net worth is north of 30 million dollars. He tours for you.

In his own sick way, he's always been true to us. Tell all of my friends...

King Leer · Nov 20, 2014

Must be nice to watch a gig without a sea of smartphones. Erm…audio, anyone?

Although Morrissey is a punk at heart, he's also a sensitive boy. It's that paradox that makes him unique.
Outcome of (plastic) bottle incident in Liverpool wasn't surprising, but this one could've been handled differently.
With the devotion fans have to the Man, all he has to do is point and say "escort out the offender or I walk" and the person would be fed through the crowd like a rag doll, hah.

CrystalGeezer · Nov 20, 2014

Permission to ask a stupid question...what exactly is "old trafford?"

*runsaway*

docinwestchester · Nov 20, 2014

Lots o' pics:

http://www.cgm.pl/galeria.php?gallery_ID=38283&photo_ID=1

Anonymous · Nov 20, 2014

Belligerent Ghoul said:
Something is being lost here. And please, I am not an enabler of Morrissey or anyone. This appears to be a gut, visceral, passionate, reaction and Morrissey is an extraordinarily sensitive person. A button was pushed albeit by a total stranger. If what was said was "shut up and sing/play" I can absolutely, unequivocally agree with those who said he should have continued. No debate - undermining my own reasoning - and saying 'suck it up, be a man, etc.' Remove the offender and continue the concert.

However, if someone mentioned Manchester, Old Trafford, etc., I think that isn't the same. We have no idea what is going on in Morrissey's head in relation to Manchester. We have no idea what his feelings towards Manchester are. We don't know how his mother, who was ill and recovered, is doing. We do know that he is sick of being always referred to as the former lead singer of The Smiths and in that fashion, and in that way, always being pulled back to Manchester. I'm inclined to think the former would make him pissed but be able to carry on - but that the latter could bring up a tsunami of emotions whereby he simply could not continue.

If he could continue but did not, that's wrong in my mind. If he could not continue...I mean it's not like he could recline on an analyst's couch right there...and so the show ends.

The storm offs, the walk offs, are not new but given how rare they were from when the Smiths ended to say Liverpool (2009), it seems he is growing more thin-skinned. He is older, he is isn't going to change, he is without a record label, his album was pulled after 3 weeks (or he pulled it) because Harvest Records failed to market the album properly, his bass player just left, and he's really concerned about his legacy about how he will be remembered. He doesn't want to go out on this note. You say, XYZ pop star would have soldiered on. I say XYZ pop star would have just as likely gone into recluse mode after all the drama that came before this tour. Why does he tour? To pay Mike Joyce. No. Morrissey's estimated net worth is north of 30 million dollars. He tours for you.

In his own sick way, he's always been true to us. Tell all of my friends...

I have to agree with you, here. To say something about Manchester is very, very personal. We don't know what was going through his mind in regards to his hometown.

I think to keep up his lifestyle of the people on the payroll and the $400 shirts he has to tour. But he also tours because he loves it and he loves his fans.

Pokey · Nov 20, 2014

CrystalGeezer said:
Permission to ask a stupid question...what exactly is "old trafford?"

*runsaway*

It's what Morrissey calls his penis.

Bluebirds · Nov 20, 2014

Belligerent Ghoul said:
Something is being lost here. And please, I am not an enabler of Morrissey or anyone. This appears to be a gut, visceral, passionate, reaction and Morrissey is an extraordinarily sensitive person. A button was pushed albeit by a total stranger. If what was said was "shut up and sing/play" I can absolutely, unequivocally agree with those who said he should have continued. No debate - undermining my own reasoning - and saying 'suck it up, be a man, etc.' Remove the offender and continue the concert.

However, if someone mentioned Manchester, Old Trafford, etc., I think that isn't the same. We have no idea what is going on in Morrissey's head in relation to Manchester. We have no idea what his feelings towards Manchester are. We don't know how his mother, who was ill and recovered, is doing. We do know that he is sick of being always referred to as the former lead singer of The Smiths and in that fashion, and in that way, always being pulled back to Manchester. I'm inclined to think the former would make him pissed but be able to carry on - but that the latter could bring up a tsunami of emotions whereby he simply could not continue.

If he could continue but did not, that's wrong in my mind. If he could not continue...I mean it's not like he could recline on an analyst's couch right there...and so the show ends.

The storm offs, the walk offs, are not new but given how rare they were from when the Smiths ended to say Liverpool (2009), it seems he is growing more thin-skinned. He is older, he is isn't going to change, he is without a record label, his album was pulled after 3 weeks (or he pulled it) because Harvest Records failed to market the album properly, his bass player just left, and he's really concerned about his legacy about how he will be remembered. He doesn't want to go out on this note. You say, XYZ pop star would have soldiered on. I say XYZ pop star would have just as likely gone into recluse mode after all the drama that came before this tour. Why does he tour? To pay Mike Joyce. No. Morrissey's estimated net worth is north of 30 million dollars. He tours for you.

In his own sick way, he's always been true to us. Tell all of my friends...

Morrissey tours for you/ us/ me? Bollocks - he tours for himself. For the attention, the limelight, the money and the fact he doesn't know what else to do with himself.

Having said that if he pulls a similar stunt in Dublin I'll be right pissed off. £100 flights, hotels, 10 Euros a pint (probably) and tickets... It's not cheap. Yeh we take our chances and over the years I've been quite fortunate with cancelations (three times I believe) but I want to see Morrissey sing songs from his new album in somewhere that has an emotional and spiritual attachment for him. I'd also like to finally see him do The Queen Is Dead live.

I worry now that a word out of turn or a chicken bone in the face will f*** up my best laid plans. Plus I'm 40 in 3 months and part of the celebrations should be a Morrissey gig

Maybe you're right after all :lbf:

Girlmostlikely · Nov 20, 2014

So sorry for the fans tonight!

Chickpea · Nov 20, 2014

Belligerent Ghoul said:
Something is being lost here. And please, I am not an enabler of Morrissey or anyone. This appears to be a gut, visceral, passionate, reaction and Morrissey is an extraordinarily sensitive person. A button was pushed albeit by a total stranger. If what was said was "shut up and sing/play" I can absolutely, unequivocally agree with those who said he should have continued. No debate - undermining my own reasoning - and saying 'suck it up, be a man, etc.' Remove the offender and continue the concert.

However, if someone mentioned Manchester, Old Trafford, etc., I think that isn't the same. We have no idea what is going on in Morrissey's head in relation to Manchester. We have no idea what his feelings towards Manchester are. We don't know how his mother, who was ill and recovered, is doing. We do know that he is sick of being always referred to as the former lead singer of The Smiths and in that fashion, and in that way, always being pulled back to Manchester. I'm inclined to think the former would make him pissed but be able to carry on - but that the latter could bring up a tsunami of emotions whereby he simply could not continue.

If he could continue but did not, that's wrong in my mind. If he could not continue...I mean it's not like he could recline on an analyst's couch right there...and so the show ends.

Thank you for this, BG. I needed to read it. Given my own hypersensitive nature, I should be more understanding and make fewer assumptions.

CrystalGeezer · Nov 20, 2014

Pokey said:
It's what Morrissey calls his penis.

Seriously though. I know it basically means Manchester, but what is it? A bridge? A suburb? A pub? A line from an old movie? What is it colloquially that might set him off if that's the comment that set him off?

Bluebirds · Nov 20, 2014

CrystalGeezer said:
Seriously though. I know it basically means Manchester, but what is it? A bridge? A suburb? A pub? A line from an old movie? What is it colloquially that might set him off if that's the comment that set him off?

Its most famously known as football stadium. home of Manchester United. Perhaps Morrissey is a touch sensitive about their fortunes at the moment being a Manchester United fan

There is also another stadium of the same name right near it where Morrissey played the Move Festival 2004. It is mostly associated with Lancashire Cricket Club and occasionally hosts international Test Cricket matches and one day internationals.

Old Trafford is also a district of Stretford.

hand in glove · Nov 20, 2014

Belligerent Ghoul said:
Something is being lost here. And please, I am not an enabler of Morrissey or anyone. This appears to be a gut, visceral, passionate, reaction and Morrissey is an extraordinarily sensitive person. A button was pushed albeit by a total stranger. If what was said was "shut up and sing/play" I can absolutely, unequivocally agree with those who said he should have continued. No debate - undermining my own reasoning - and saying 'suck it up, be a man, etc.' Remove the offender and continue the concert.

However, if someone mentioned Manchester, Old Trafford, etc., I think that isn't the same. We have no idea what is going on in Morrissey's head in relation to Manchester. We have no idea what his feelings towards Manchester are. We don't know how his mother, who was ill and recovered, is doing. We do know that he is sick of being always referred to as the former lead singer of The Smiths and in that fashion, and in that way, always being pulled back to Manchester. I'm inclined to think the former would make him pissed but be able to carry on - but that the latter could bring up a tsunami of emotions whereby he simply could not continue.

If he could continue but did not, that's wrong in my mind. If he could not continue...I mean it's not like he could recline on an analyst's couch right there...and so the show ends.

The storm offs, the walk offs, are not new but given how rare they were from when the Smiths ended to say Liverpool (2009), it seems he is growing more thin-skinned. He is older, he is isn't going to change, he is without a record label, his album was pulled after 3 weeks (or he pulled it) because Harvest Records failed to market the album properly, his bass player just left, and he's really concerned about his legacy about how he will be remembered. He doesn't want to go out on this note. You say, XYZ pop star would have soldiered on. I say XYZ pop star would have just as likely gone into recluse mode after all the drama that came before this tour. Why does he tour? To pay Mike Joyce. No. Morrissey's estimated net worth is north of 30 million dollars. He tours for you.

In his own sick way, he's always been true to us. Tell all of my friends...

I agree.

He has even said that people tend to forget that he comes to see them as much as they come to see him. There should be an element of respect. Why shout out anything at all? Would you shout out some ridiculous statement in your living room if he was there trying to tell you a story? Just let him speak and sing. Enjoy your time with him. You can call him thin skinned and a drama queen all you want, but the fact remains, Morrissey is an extremely sensitive person and when it comes down to it, he doesn't have to put up with anything. And, yes - it only takes one person to ruin the whole thing. I get that. I tend to think it was more of an insult that was said simultaneously with the Old Trafford statement that's being looked over because people would rather think he's being a "diva" (Jesus people, it's not 1990 anymore...) rather than being completely disgusted and insulted. At any rate, it happened. It's a bad thing all around - either way you look at it.

Anonymous · Nov 20, 2014

floodzonex said:
I just don't understand how these shows are still getting insured.

They aren't.

Anonymous · Nov 20, 2014

Just can't believe it...Three days ago he was lifted by some guy, three days later he lifted middle finger to the fans because of one guy?
Maybe it's more than just a few words? Maybe there is somebody here who stood close to all the situation since the beginning?

Anonymous · Nov 20, 2014

Dhalluin said:
Our singer loves so much to sing about gangs, crime, criminals... And get offended about a slight remark from the audience.

Come on Mozz, there is smthg wrong, really. A concert is not a sleeping thing, no ?

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Maybe someone shouted something in Polish and he understood it the wrong way ?

Maybe he is hsp and very sensitive to critics. He sensed something in the spirit of the venue and felt unsafe and wanted to leave. Reacted before thought it through really.

NealCassidy · Nov 20, 2014

Anonymous said:
Just back from the gig, here is my take.

First of all Morrissey was in great spirits, the band wore Poland football shirts and for the songs played sounded brilliant.
Moz then decided he was going to tell the audience a story, a yell of "....in old Trafford" from the audience. To me it sounded like a mancunian accent. Moz then replied "that wasn't very nice". Again a voice then clearly said this time, "we miss you in old Trafford". This was also confirmed by several other English people around me(after moz went off). Moz then sang staircase but with his back to the audience.

From what I gathered from talking to morrisseys security and crew(I was on the barrier) Morrissey was under the impression the person had shouted "f***/piss off back to old Trafford"

It's hard to say what the first shout was fully but the second shout was more of an appreciation from a mancunian who'd travelled a long way rather than an insult. That's just my take on what I heard

It wasn;t the old trafford comment because that came from the jesse side and the ;just tell it; came from boz's which is where moz and later the band were looking

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