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So WHAT DID ALAIN DO TO ROBBIE THE LIGHTING GUY??

Angela says:

"He told me the story about why / how he got fired from the Morrissey tour. In my opinion it was such a bullshit reason, but whatever. What do I know? I just a silly girl following the tour, right? I don't know the whole story, and moreover, I probably don't want to know.

It's not really my place to say anything negative about Morrissey's band or crew (who for the most part have been very kind to us) but this Robbie situation has made me so angry!
So before I forever keep quiet on the matter here is my final rant: Alain, get over it! It was REALLY nothing. It's over, nobody listen to techno."

ANGELA, PLEASE TELL US MORE!
So far it looks like Alain is to blame for Spenny's departure, and now he fired Morrissey's lighting man? What's with this guy? And more importantly, who's next - Boz?? I'll bet he fired Robbie because he wouldn't make his spotlight brighter than Boz's.
Message to Alain: why don't you spend a little more time on your hair, and a little less time firing people!
 
> So WHAT DID ALAIN DO TO ROBBIE THE LIGHTING GUY??

> Angela says:

> "He told me the story about why / how he got fired from the Morrissey
> tour. In my opinion it was such a bullshit reason, but whatever. What do I
> know? I just a silly girl following the tour, right? I don't know the
> whole story, and moreover, I probably don't want to know.

> It's not really my place to say anything negative about Morrissey's band
> or crew (who for the most part have been very kind to us) but this Robbie
> situation has made me so angry!
> So before I forever keep quiet on the matter here is my final rant: Alain,
> get over it! It was REALLY nothing. It's over, nobody listen to
> techno."

> ANGELA, PLEASE TELL US MORE!
> So far it looks like Alain is to blame for Spenny's departure, and now he
> fired Morrissey's lighting man? What's with this guy? And more
> importantly, who's next - Boz?? I'll bet he fired Robbie because he
> wouldn't make his spotlight brighter than Boz's.
> Message to Alain: why don't you spend a little more time on your hair, and
> a little less time firing people!
I can't stand it anymore!!! This is a better soap opera than Port Charles.
let me get this strait:
Spencer quit because ALAIN made an anti semetic comment
the tour was postponed because ALAIN didn't get his visa in time
ALAIN said a deal was made but it really wasn't
ALAIN had the lighting guy fired because no one listens to techno.

UM, I thought this was Morrissey's show?
 
Where will it stop??

Yeah and next thing you know Alain will have David's lovely website shut down because we make fun of his hair and some people disrespect him by spelling his name Alan.
 
> So WHAT DID ALAIN DO TO ROBBIE THE LIGHTING GUY??

you know, i've never read the journals on the moz tour website...up until this point when i read a few, and I think its highly coincidental that she keeps talking about this Robbie guy and then, immediately after she brings up the fact that she is not being allowed into the after show party in London....not simply that they forgot her invitation and someone would vouch for her, but it sounded like they were saying that she's not allowed in at all?

do i dare draw the conclusion that the rumors that appeared on their website have been met with disgust by the band, that the crew was given strict orders not to let the people from this website come around, and this Robbie guy disobeyed it, and oops...he no longer has a job?

Again, i'm not saying that's what happened, but I find it very odd that she says that she's afraid that everyone who was "friendly to her" is going to be let go...and i also find it odd that they would have reason to believe that morrissey would see her at the party and be disgusted and turn around and leave. and why is that?

i don't think its fair to beat up alain over it, and especially when people are doing such a bad job around here and reading only select stories instead of trying to get an overall picture that maybe something else is completely wrong.
 
But Robbie was fired before the first RAH show, so he couldn't have been fired for letting her into the party, plus she didn't get in at all by the sound of it.
Plus I think it's a bit harsh to say that she wasn't allowed in the party because "morrissey would see her at the party and be disgusted and turn around and leave", I don't think her exclusion will have been ordered by Morrissey himself, I'm sure he has more important things on his mind.
 
> But Robbie was fired before the first RAH show, so he couldn't have been
> fired for letting her into the party, plus she didn't get in at all by the
> sound of it.

i didn't necessarily mean the party. it could have been backstage areas or something else because she said something like "he was let go...and i found out that i was persona non grata at the party"

which, i'm sure it would help on your end if you would read the journal first.

> Plus I think it's a bit harsh to say that she wasn't allowed in the party
> because "morrissey would see her at the party and be disgusted and
> turn around and leave", I don't think her exclusion will have been
> ordered by Morrissey himself, I'm sure he has more important things on his
> mind.

I personally didn't say that morrissey would see her and leave, and i wouldn't know either way what he thinks about her and that would be a big leap on my part. i said that i READ it in the journal that a phone conversation between her and somebody else resulted in a comment of this sort....something like "be glad you can't get in anyway because then you'd have to see him come in and see you there and then turn around and leave..."

so, just from that, i obviously gather that she was barred from the party despite an attempt to get in and they obviously agree amongst themselves that morrissey is angry at something.
 
> i didn't necessarily mean the party. it could have been backstage areas or
> something else because she said something like "he was let go...and i
> found out that i was persona non grata at the party"

> which, i'm sure it would help on your end if you would read the journal
> first.

Well thanks for the advice Suzanne, but actually I did read it and obviously a little more carefully than you did, because she didn't say that she found out both pieces of news at the same time as if they were related, she just said "Within 10 minutes of hearing the news about Robbie I found out that not only was I not invited to the Afterparty, but I was persona non grata." I think you're reading way too much between the lines if you think that means the two things must be related. Do you have a problem with the Morrissey Tour girls? You seem to think it's unlikely that a bunch of freaky weirdos like SATH being at an after show party wouldn't have bothered Morrissey, but Angela being there would? Angela seems far more sane to me.

> I personally didn't say that morrissey would see her and leave, and i
> wouldn't know either way what he thinks about her and that would be a big
> leap on my part. i said that i READ it in the journal that a phone
> conversation between her and somebody else resulted in a comment of this
> sort....something like "be glad you can't get in anyway because then
> you'd have to see him come in and see you there and then turn around and
> leave..."

The comment was "She said I shouldn't have even tried getting into the Afterparty. She said I was better off not going; that even though we went to last tour's London afterparty, the crew was different now; that we'd be devastated if we faced the harsh truth of going to the party having Morrissey look in our direction and then him leaving immediately."
They are just saying that it's better off she didn't go IN CASE that happened, not that they think it WOULD happen. I have no doubt that if they had reason to believe that Morrissey would definitely have left if he saw them that they would have been far more upset about that than about not getting in to the party.

> so, just from that, i obviously gather that she was barred from the party
> despite an attempt to get in and they obviously agree amongst themselves
> that morrissey is angry at something.

No, they don't 'obviously agree amongst themselves that Morrissey is mad at her/them', they're just talking worst case scenario, and how awful it would be if she went in and he was uncomfortable enough in her presence to leave.
 
London After Party?

You know what's funny? Well, I was at the gigs in London '99 and near the end of the show some dude approached me and he told me about the "after party." I told him to go get me a pass and he said "ok, wait right here" and he went to get the pass. Well, I only waited a couple minutes then left because I thought he was lying and there really wasn't an "after party"! Oops! I always heard that Morrissey didn't party after shows. That all he did was go straight back to his hotel and go to bed or watch TV. Well, that sucks, I could've went to a cool party, but I missed out! Oh well.

> Well thanks for the advice Suzanne, but actually I did read it and
> obviously a little more carefully than you did, because she didn't say
> that she found out both pieces of news at the same time as if they were
> related, she just said "Within 10 minutes of hearing the news about
> Robbie I found out that not only was I not invited to the Afterparty, but
> I was persona non grata." I think you're reading way too much between
> the lines if you think that means the two things must be related. Do you
> have a problem with the Morrissey Tour girls? You seem to think it's
> unlikely that a bunch of freaky weirdos like SATH being at an after show
> party wouldn't have bothered Morrissey, but Angela being there would?
> Angela seems far more sane to me.

> The comment was "She said I shouldn't have even tried getting into
> the Afterparty. She said I was better off not going; that even though we
> went to last tour's London afterparty, the crew was different now; that
> we'd be devastated if we faced the harsh truth of going to the party
> having Morrissey look in our direction and then him leaving
> immediately."
> They are just saying that it's better off she didn't go IN CASE that
> happened, not that they think it WOULD happen. I have no doubt that if
> they had reason to believe that Morrissey would definitely have left if he
> saw them that they would have been far more upset about that than about
> not getting in to the party.

> No, they don't 'obviously agree amongst themselves that Morrissey is mad
> at her/them', they're just talking worst case scenario, and how awful it
> would be if she went in and he was uncomfortable enough in her presence to
> leave.
 
> Well thanks for the advice Suzanne, but actually I did read it and
> obviously a little more carefully than you did, because she didn't say
> that she found out both pieces of news at the same time as if they were
> related, she just said "Within 10 minutes of hearing the news about
> Robbie I found out that not only was I not invited to the Afterparty, but
> I was persona non grata." I think you're reading way too much between
> the lines if you think that means the two things must be related. Do you
> have a problem with the Morrissey Tour girls? You seem to think it's
> unlikely that a bunch of freaky weirdos like SATH being at an after show
> party wouldn't have bothered Morrissey, but Angela being there would?
> Angela seems far more sane to me.

well, the thing is there is more PROOF of what i'm saying about the moztour group based strictly on their words than you are squeezing out of your little pinky about SATH.

> The comment was "She said I shouldn't have even tried getting into
> the Afterparty. She said I was better off not going; that even though we
> went to last tour's London afterparty, the crew was different now; that
> we'd be devastated if we faced the harsh truth of going to the party
> having Morrissey look in our direction and then him leaving
> immediately."
> They are just saying that it's better off she didn't go IN CASE that
> happened, not that they think it WOULD happen. I have no doubt that if
> they had reason to believe that Morrissey would definitely have left if he
> saw them that they would have been far more upset about that than about
> not getting in to the party.

man, do you need to take some reading courses because it looks to me like she qualified the statement "not only was i NOT invited, i was PERSONA NON GRATA" and then goes on to say that even though she didn't have an invite, all of the people who have seen her on the past two tours as she camped out on the sidewalk, the tour managers and even the new crew which i'm sure you know "the girls" have tried to ingratiate themselves upon for the past month, all the band members whom she has interviewed for her website were basically stepping over her and leaving her out in the cold.

its right there in front of you!

> No, they don't 'obviously agree amongst themselves that Morrissey is mad
> at her/them', they're just talking worst case scenario, and how awful it
> would be if she went in and he was uncomfortable enough in her presence to
> leave.

yeah, whatever. you dream up imaginary guests at other parties.
 
> well, the thing is there is more PROOF of what i'm saying about the
> moztour group based strictly on their words than you are squeezing out of
> your little pinky about SATH.

I never said I knew that the SATH rumor was true, I have no idea if it was them, I was just repeating what had been posted here by other people, maybe I shouldn't have, but considering that no one seemed to be refuting it, it seemed likely to be true.

> man, do you need to take some reading courses because it looks to me like
> she qualified the statement "not only was i NOT invited, i was
> PERSONA NON GRATA" and then goes on to say that even though she
> didn't have an invite, all of the people who have seen her on the past two
> tours as she camped out on the sidewalk, the tour managers and even the
> new crew which i'm sure you know "the girls" have tried to
> ingratiate themselves upon for the past month, all the band members whom
> she has interviewed for her website were basically stepping over her and
> leaving her out in the cold.

Suzanne, do you really think that Morrissey sits around trying to decide if the Morrissey tour girls are going to be invited to the parties?? Do you think that last year he personally requested their presence, and this year he personally barred them? I don't think Morrissey has any idea whether or not they get in, and I doubt he cares one way or the other. Do you have any idea how trivial that is? Just because they weren't allowed into the party does NOT mean that Morrissey gave the order, or is mad at them, or would leave if they were there. It is far more likely to have come from someone much lower in the chain of command. To say that Morrissey might be mad at them implies that he actually thinks about them, which I rather doubt. IF someone is mad at them, it's far more likely to be Alain, maybe he's seen all the crap on here about the alleged anti-semitic comment to Spencer, but can you really imagine him running to tell Morrissey about it? It's more likely no one is actually mad at them, they probably just didn't think it was a good idea for them to be in there for one reason or another, maybe there is something going on that they didn't want them to get wind of and put on their site yet, like that he's signed a deal with Sanctuary or whatever. Maybe the new tour manager doesn't care for them, maybe Morrissey's new assistant is being extra cautious, who knows, but to say that they must have been excluded on Morrissey's own orders is a bit silly. And I really do think that if the MozTour girls really thought that Morrissey was mad at them, that is the only thing they would be talking about, not all this crap about not being allowed into the party. I think they mentioned that because they were being a bit paranoid and looking at what the worst possible reason for their exclusion could be. It's a DIARY, not a news posting, and should be read as such.
 
> I never said I knew that the SATH rumor was true, I have no idea if it was
> them, I was just repeating what had been posted here by other people,
> maybe I shouldn't have, but considering that no one seemed to be refuting
> it, it seemed likely to be true.

oh yes, you didn't realize that all of us here at moz-solo were at the Vegas party except for you and we can all vouch for SATH's presence?

You missed it. Alain was making Flaming Dr. Peppers, doing his best Tom Cruise like in the movie Cocktail, and Gary was entertaining us with stories from his days at Harvard. I've never laughed so hard in my entire life.

> Suzanne, do you really think that Morrissey sits around trying to decide
> if the Morrissey tour girls are going to be invited to the parties?? Do
> you think that last year he personally requested their presence, and this
> year he personally barred them? I don't think Morrissey has any idea
> whether or not they get in, and I doubt he cares one way or the other. Do
> you have any idea how trivial that is? Just because they weren't allowed
> into the party does NOT mean that Morrissey gave the order, or is mad at
> them, or would leave if they were there. It is far more likely to have
> come from someone much lower in the chain of command. To say that
> Morrissey might be mad at them implies that he actually thinks about them,
> which I rather doubt. IF someone is mad at them, it's far more likely to
> be Alain, maybe he's seen all the crap on here about the alleged
> anti-semitic comment to Spencer, but can you really imagine him running to
> tell Morrissey about it? It's more likely no one is actually mad at them,
> they probably just didn't think it was a good idea for them to be in there
> for one reason or another, maybe there is something going on that they
> didn't want them to get wind of and put on their site yet, like that he's
> signed a deal with Sanctuary or whatever. Maybe the new tour manager
> doesn't care for them, maybe Morrissey's new assistant is being extra
> cautious, who knows, but to say that they must have been excluded on
> Morrissey's own orders is a bit silly. And I really do think that if the
> MozTour girls really thought that Morrissey was mad at them, that is the
> only thing they would be talking about, not all this crap about not being
> allowed into the party. I think they mentioned that because they were
> being a bit paranoid and looking at what the worst possible reason for
> their exclusion could be. It's a DIARY, not a news posting, and should be
> read as such.

Yeah, go ahead and believe whatever you want. You're too far gone to be convinced otherwise.
 
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