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Is that it? One line out of a six minute song is what you're wanking about, must be shit
What is Jesus Alejandro Tobias's finest hour ?
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Is that it? One line out of a six minute song is what you're wanking about, must be shit
Amy
from the Ice Age to the dole age
Oh Velvis, take the cotton wool out of your ears. My comment wasn't "nasty". It reflected my view that he's an utterly God-awful songwriter and guitarist, who Morrissey kept in the band for friendship and companionship rather than anything to do with his musical ability. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I like his songs and I think he's a good egg. The anti-Jesse crowd are clearly just jealous of his looks and his bond with Morrissey.
Viva Jesse!
Viva Jesse!
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no not just one line, thats just the one line i felt like mentioning
Amy
from the Ice Age to the dole age
He is? A couple of days ago, you asked myself and another "detractor" if there was anything we liked about Morrissey's post-wilderness albums.
I responded honestly and rather than engaging with anything I've said, you take side-swipes like this and continue with your general mantra that The Nasty Detractors are a bunch of losers stuck in 1984, who just want Johnny Marr back and haven't gotten their head around Viva Hate yet, never mind the rest of Morrissey's career. Because those narrow-minded shut-ins have to be the only people who think Jesse Tobias, or Ringleader, or anything solo-Morrissey does could possibly be a stonking great pile of shit, right?
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He is? A couple of days ago, you asked myself and another "detractor" if there was anything we liked about Morrissey's post-wilderness albums.
I responded honestly and rather than engaging with anything I've said, you take side-swipes like this and continue with your general mantra that The Nasty Detractors are a bunch of losers stuck in 1984, who just want Johnny Marr back and haven't gotten their head around Viva Hate yet, never mind the rest of Morrissey's career. Because those narrow-minded shut-ins have to be the only people who think Jesse Tobias, or Ringleader, or anything solo-Morrissey does could possibly be a stonking great pile of shit, right?
You're wasting you're breath amy
Eraserhead
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This is the sort of patronising response that I would expect from people on this site. This is why I generally don't post or come here anymore. Of course, now I expect comments such as 'good riddance' etc.
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forgive me, smiler with knife is one of morrisseys greatest ever songs, what was I thinking to diss it, its way better than that shit he released in the late 80's early-mid 90's, this new style is the way forward. I remember someone called oboe concerto great because of the way he says "concherrrto", morrissey rolling his 'R's, when did he start doing that, that's reason enough to like the album. Forget late night maudlin street, seasick yet still docked, I know it's gonna happen, suedehead, speedway, interesting drug, now my heart is full, I know very well, mute witness, you know what forget all them cos there f***ing shit, what do I know, I'm living in the past, Smiler with knife, now there's a tune.
Detritus
Teenage Lightning
This.
My attitude toward Jesse has softened as of late, but for a very long time I was harshly critical of him, mainly for reasons stated above. Seeing Alain perform with Morrissey is not a requisite for preferring his playing to Jesse's---I hadn't gone to my first Morrissey show until long after he'd left the band. The only point of reference I needed for comparison was the recorded songs. The two guitarists have drastically different approaches to the instrument, and what Jesse sorely lacked was the nuance, stylistic diversity and restraint that Whyte demonstrated in both studio and live settings. Jesse's playing was hamfisted and sloppy, drowned in distortion and riddled with error. Never had a musician in Morrissey's band made so many f***ing mistakes, and so frequently.
However, it seems that Jesse's musicianship has improved over the last two years or so, and I am thrilled with how tasteful the guitar playing is on the new album (Jessie's included). His capabilities as a songwriter seem to have improved as well, though I'm not sure to what degree the stylistic changes can be credited to the band as opposed to Chiccarelli.
That said, while criticism of Jesse Tobias has been far from unjustified over the years, the crux of the problem rests squarely with Morrissey, as he calls the shots. Jesse is in the band, playing guitar the way he plays, because Morrissey wants it that way. I remember the 2009 live arrangement of "This Charming Man" drew ire amongst fans because that wonderful, iridescent guitar riff was replaced with gauche power chords. Understandably, Jesse came in for a lashing, though Gustavo later revealed in an interview that the song was played in that manner at Morrissey's behest.
For whatever reason, Jesse's bold and brash approach to guitar playing appealed to Morrissey at the time, and so it became a dominant component in his music----many would argue to his detriment. Why it appealed to Morrissey is the really interesting question. Amy brings up the fact that he was obviously smitten with Jesse; few people would argue he wasn't. It's absolutely the reason why Jesse so rapidly ascended in status and influence within Camp Morrissey. However, I also think Morrissey was genuinely ready for a shift in sound and Jesse showed up at the right place, right time.
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Do not fool yourselves. Tobias will never write songs as good as: Irish Blood English Heart, First of the Gang to Die, Come Back To Camden. This is to make no list of all the great songs on Viva Hate, Bona Drag, Your Arsenal, Vauxhall and I, etc. Tobias is a liability. He also has the disposition of a Rent Boy. His finest moment was being a Red Hot Chili Pepper and touring with Alanis Morrisette - lesser artists than Morrissey who would not let Tobias write one song.
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But on the downside...
If you mean by that that he's hot and you definitely would (as would we all, of course) then you've hit on the exact cause of all the nastiness towards Jesse. He's sex on legs and he's great chums with Morrissey and we can't stand it!
He writes awesome songs, though - and we can all appreciate that, even while we seethe at the unfairness of such a fine specimen of humanity also penetrating Morrissey's intimate circle.
Maybe World Peace is None of Your Business is finally an opportunity for all of us to let bygones be bygones and just enjoy the pure sexy talent of Our Lord Jesus Tobias?
A none E mouse
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"He's sex on legs and he's great chums with Morrissey and we can't stand it!" Learn to speak for yourself and stop using "We" as a means for gaining support, Marred.
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You know you want some Jesse-love up your bumbum.
Such a shame he has some taste and good eyesight.
A none E mouse
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You know you want some Jesse-love up your bumbum.
Such a shame he has some taste and good eyesight.
Hello marred, i sense you're partial to a bit of ring sting?
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Anonymous
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The eternal irony of a Morrissey fan thinking the inference of homosexuality is some kind of slur.
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Was it intended as a slur? I took it as a compliment.
Eraserhead
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What the hell is your problem? It's subjective, isn't it? Yes, there are plenty of great songs throughout his career, and he is still creating more. Mountjoy is another one. Disagree if you must, but don't tell me I'm wrong.
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You're wrong
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Agreed, Mountjoy is heart-smashingly beautiful.
