Robert Evans - The Comeback Kid
My political duel with "American Patriot" L. Oaf... Whom do you support, folks, opinions please...
>> Laughing Oaf
Short pre-history: Oaf used "Pretty Woman" movie as an example of a wonders and benefits of American Consumerism... I objected... Argument started...
> Geesh, I mention one scene in a movie to make a small point with, and you
> feel the need to give me your review of the entire thing, which is
> irrelevant. I don't care whether it's a good, or even a
> "misogybistic", movie or not! It's beside the point.
You mean misogynistic?
No, it's not! You chose yourself this particular movie among zillion others, so please, be ready to accept my SUBJECTIVE reaction to your choice...
> But I'm glad to see you have other things on your mind, for once, besides
> your sexuality. Lets see what that is......
Well, thanks, I'm not a one-track mind... indeed... It just happen to me to spend undue amount of time discussing Chris "coming out"...
> As I said, I'll take our consumer culture over the altervatives I observe
> elsewhere and in the past, as vulgar as our culture may appear at first.
What about countries like France or Germany, where social benefits are way better then America's and mandatory all-population-accesible medical coverage exists, unlike in the USA... What about Australia and New Zealand... where society is more humanistic and less consumer-oriented... What about country Sweden where level of crime 10 times less then USA's... There are alternatives... You are being so blind in your jingoism, you are not realizing that you sound like some kind of American version of Le Pen... (America is great, the rest of the world is shit... They, damn foreigners ought to look up to Yankees...) Too bad, your kind of knee-jerking jingoism became mainstream after Sept 11...
Did you ever asked yourself a question, why the Arab world masses support this crazy criminal scumbug Bin Laden... Is it because Arabs are naturally evil, or it is because America is treating Palestinians like human garbage and supporting such criminal regimes as Kuweit, Saudi Arabia and Israel with Sabra and Shatila war criminal Ariel Sharon at the top??? Why say Jews in Europe have human rights and Palestinians at occupied territories do not? (By the way I admire Jewish peoples for their historical socialist and left wing traditions, especially Karl Marx and Leo Trotski. Also Vladimir Lenin was half-Jewish by his mom... I just very skeptical about Israel's idea of European Jews living at Palestine, where frankly they don't belong... Why not to help Israeli Jews to return to Europe and to the Arab world, where they lived for thousands of years, instead of making them hostages to the imperialist plans of Ariel Sharon and Republicans Inc at the tiny piece of real estate called Palestine... Jews could do way much better elsewhere then in Palestine... Especially with their high percentage of PhDs and highly-qualified workers and craftsmen, not to mention artists and actors...) Just a question... Maybe Bin Laden crimes are much worse worse then anything wrong America did to the rest of the world... YET... What about Bush family criminal connections to Saudi Arabian oil-rich Islamic reactionary dynasty and Bush family criminal connection to Kenneth Lay, Enron ex-CEO. What about Dick Cheney highly questionable business practices... Sept 11 is not an excuse for me to let Republicans off so easily...
And, oops, what about American border patrols criminal mistreatment of Mexican so-called "illegal" immigrants. Border patrols have a license to shoot at Mexican workers, whose only crime is their desire to work hard and honest for the American economy for minimal below-poverty wages, and, of course, American economy desperately needs those workers... But how convenient is for American elites to keep those honest and needed workers "illegal" for the purpose of exploiting them... Why not to open USA/Mexican borders... if you are such a "market economy" superfreak...
> Did you happen to read the NY TIMES MAGAZINE this past Sunday? An article
> about Iranian youth. There's the story of girls in Iran, who despise the
> clothes they're forced to wear, posting blesphemy on Web Blogs.
> From their bedrooms on their computers, with their rigid parents oblivious
> to the power the Internet is putting in their hands, they rail against
> their culture, their religion. Where they can communicate with others, in
> Iran and around the world. Beneath the streets where people chant
> "Death to America!" "Death to Israel!" the reporter
> came upon an underground, semi-legal recording studio, where the scene was
> decidedly different. Where a female in jeans was intimately sitting with
> her boyfriend. Where they are recording music, and even though the lyrics
> often get disapproved by the government censors, they can still post the
> songs online. A musician, looking much like John Lennon, tells of concerts
> where it is forbidden to dance, but some rebels bang their heads while
> sitting. At one concert, where 3,000 attended, one young man had the guts
> to stand up and dance, only to be beaten down. But the youth, the 2/3 of
> the population in Iran, many of whom are the product aof the Ayatollah's
> banning of contraceptives and order to bear as many babies as possible to
> serve Allah, they are speaking ever loudl amongst themselves about change.
Of course, I support Iranian peoples desire to get rid of reactionary Islam and be free and secular... (Just a notice, at my book, all organized religions are evil and designed to scum ignorant peoples of their savings and keep them under control of elite classes) But what about old Reagan-era Iran-contras affair... USA selling arms to Iran and helping Nicaraguan contras... Oliver North, does this particular name ring your bell, mister Yankee Doodle?
> This is the power of the consumer culture of the West. We're shrinking and
> uniting the world, pushing aside governments and religions. IDealists have
> dreamed of it for ages, and we're doing it. The Taliban aside, most of the
> youth of the world desperately wants in, not out, so no force needed. The
> current leader of IRan is attacked by the hard liners as their Gorbechev,
> but it's too late for them to stop it now. You know that saying about a
> butterfly flapping its wings causing a hurricane halfway around the world?
The same Gorbachev who sold out his own country to the Russian mob and CIA? The same Gorbachev who licks collective American ass and enjoys San Francisco girlfriend after his wife Raisa died? I talked with about 10 Russians here at Sunset, Hollywood and about 80% of them think Gorbachev was a crook and CIA agent at first place... Communism was obsolete and yes, homophobic and sexist ideology, but modern Russia now is semi-feudal semi-capitalist mess, with workers starving and Russian intellectuals escaping to the West, cause Russian factories and scientific institutions are ruined by criminal Gorby, Chubais and Eltzin cliques of thieves and economic criminals... Russians are not dying from hunger now only because they are shamefully selling their oil and gas to the West by ridiculously low prices... They lost their dignity under capitalism... Apparently, Americanization of Russia brought happiness only to the selected few, about 3% of general populations... Those are former high-level Communists and Mafia types who got very rich selling out their country to the West and shipping those stolen monies to the Swiss banks... Do Russian Communists sold out completely... maybe not yet, cause there is some opposition to the current Russian regime (Zuganov and Zirinovski communist parties)... but they are themselves weak, stupid and discredited themselves by antisemitism and corruption...
So man, I could talk a little bit more then just "gay issues and sexuality" So don't be so proud, my geeky friend...
> I don't consider myself a greedy person. The thing about Gecko's speech
> he takes some truth and stretches it too far to rationalize a level of
> greed I certainly have no part of.
Oh, I forgot, your real name is Mother Teresa...
> I have no "addictions" to anything. I'm sorry you think you have
> an addiction, perhaps you should consult a shrink or a 12 step program.
Thanks, buddy... could I please flush your advice down the toilet?
> You said it...
Yes, I'm being honest here...
> I don't know if I've supposed to me familiar with this Beverly Plaza you
> speak of.
Oh, my fault... It is famous Los Angeles shopping plaza (in Beverly Hills district of Greater LA, next to Santa Monica Blvd... ), favored by LA women and gays for variety of boutiques and department stores.
> Oh! So because you were apparently forced at gunpoint to seek a career in
> the ENTERTAINMENT BIZ, that's why! What a fucker! I feel sorry for you,
Man, not all peoples in entertainment business are crooks and gold-diggers... Ever heard of indie movies, ever heard of peoples like Spike Lee or Eric Jermain or John Waters or OLIVER STONE etc etc...
> Anyway, as for me, I don't share your problems when I look in the mirror
> each morning. I'm not seeking a career amongst the "beautiful
> people." I live in a humble apartment in the Little Italy
> neighborhood of Cleveland. I drive a Toyota. Or, thanks to my close
> proximity to school, ride a bike. I don't have any student debt from
> undergrad studies, because I wasn't seduced by a BRAND NAME university. I
> spend my days reading for law school. My career ambition is not to chase
> the glamorous life in the entertainment biz, but to help schizophrenics
> and other mentally ill society has abandoned or mistreated.
Maybe you should check out yourself first for symptoms of "obsessive American patriotism and jingoism paranoia"
> The fact that I don't just MINDLESSLY consume, and then post pathetic
> guilt about it on the Internet, but rather have tried to understand what
> I'm really doing when I buy things however frequently or infreuently I
> choose to shop, and the effects and meanings that it has on me and those
> around me, is not something I feel I should be ashamed of. The hilarious
> thing is, by your characterization of my views, I should be the one living
> like you have described YOUR life, yet I don't. But then you've
> mischaracterized me....
Oh, excuse me, sorry darling for hurting you, let's be feely touchy now, let's read together Chupak Chopra and give each other a healing hugs... maybe kisses too, but only if you are handsome... I have a high standards, you know...
> Well, I used to see the people on campus giving out free gifts to students
> to sign up for yet another credit card, and all the fools doing so just so
> they could go buy more clothes. I primarily use an American Express card,
> pay it off every month. If you think I was suggesting people live like
> morons, you've made a misinterpretation.
Good for you...
> But about debt. My dad was telling me about how back in the day people
> used to have martgage burning parties after they paid off their home.
> "Oh, joy, we are debt free from here on, dear!" Someone doing
> that today would not be someone I'd exactly look at as smart, or
> maximizing their wealth.
Daddy would be proud of you... What a nice capitalist patriotic boyee you are...
> I don't buy into this brainwashing theory. Consumers are pretty savvy
> about what's going on.
Oh, sorry I didn't realize you are a Lawyer - Saint... Did you buy an appropriately large halo for yourself, man...