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    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalGeezer View Post
    I hope there are precautions in place to prevent trolling. It seems like a whole new playground has been opened up and while I'm sure it's impossible to moderate the editing of info, steps should be taken to at least keep an eye on it.
    Edits are traceable, as far as I know. Offenders would theoretically be banned from entering further information.

    Additionally, at this stage anyway, there are multiple people still working to update the initial information. If some dumbass comes along and changes Morrissey's band member info to include, say, the Marx brothers, then that edit is going to be seen quickly and fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalGeezer View Post
    I hope there are precautions in place to prevent trolling. It seems like a whole new playground has been opened up and while I'm sure it's impossible to moderate the editing of info, steps should be taken to at least keep an eye on it.
    The software tracks all edits. At this point, they're all reviewed and "rolled back" if needed. The software makes it pretty easy to just remove the offending edits without changing anything useful that may have been added by others. For users of the anonymous account, the IP of the change is logged and can be banned if needed. This info isn't available by default to editors and any searching of the database by them is logged. -MR

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    Sad son,

    I just wish the Jessie Tobias part said (2004-2012) on it.

    Oh well.

    We'll let you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MozRecording View Post
    Ugh.... http://memebase.cheezburger.com/dolanpls

    There's also a nyan cat one that's slightly more humorous.

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    Goddammit, I like it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nothappynotsad View Post
    Needs more rainbow :P

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    I like this. Do we still need passions back if we've got Morrissey solo wiki?

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    I'm learning new things already. I never knew Stephen Street played on unreleased tracks from the 'Years of Refusal' sessions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous View Post
    I'm learning new things already. I never knew Stephen Street played on unreleased tracks from the 'Years of Refusal' sessions.
    An obvious mistake in the initial creation of the page and copying templates over. Thanks for pointing it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous View Post
    I'm learning new things already. I never knew Stephen Street played on unreleased tracks from the 'Years of Refusal' sessions.
    Any help with correcting the data copied from templates would be greatly appreciated. It's particularly prevalent in the templates for songs and tour lineups. -MR

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    Default Re: Morrissey-solo Wiki launched Aug. 28, 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous View Post
    A wiki should have been a feature of this site for many years now. It is a feature of many fansites.
    Can you name some of these 'many fansites' with this feature? All of the artist/band wikis I've seen are standalone and are not integrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous View Post
    I'm learning new things already. I never knew Stephen Street played on unreleased tracks from the 'Years of Refusal' sessions.
    Quote Originally Posted by DAVIE View Post
    I like this. Do we still need passions back if we've got Morrissey solo wiki?
    Yes we do.

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    I'm stubborn,selfish, and to old.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by billybu69 View Post
    Yes we do.
    Of course we do. There are many wonderful places out there where folks catalogue the amazing things done by Morrissey and The Smiths. I think the wiki can be a complement to them. A place where folks that don't feel like running a site can, none the less, share their knowledge. I think what the wiki becomes is up to us, the fans. If we use it, add to it and share it can become a really useful thing for all of us. Or we can sit back, nit pick the errors and wait for someone else to do something to fix it. I choose trying to fix it. -MR

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    Quote Originally Posted by MozRecording View Post
    Of course we do. There are many wonderful places out there where folks catalogue the amazing things done by Morrissey and The Smiths. I think the wiki can be a complement to them. A place where folks that don't feel like running a site can, none the less, share their knowledge. I think what the wiki becomes is up to us, the fans. If we use it, add to it and share it can become a really useful thing for all of us. Or we can sit back, nit pick the errors and wait for someone else to do something to fix it. I choose trying to fix it. -MR
    Well said. The internet is big enough for all Morrissey sites to co-exist and complement each other.

    I can tell if a new feature or redesign will be successful when the trolls come out during the announcement saying that it won't be, it's like clockwork. Since any user has the power to edit / shape the wiki, it's a good test to see who actually wants to fix something and who prefers to complain about how things are.


    From an article on complainers I read recently:

    "There's a big difference between bringing your attention to something that's awry and a complaint," Blake says. "Typically, people who are complaining don't want a solution; they just want you to join in the indignity of the whole thing. You can almost hear brains clink when six people get together and start saying, 'Isn't it terrible?' This will damage your brain even if you're just passively listening. And if you try to change their behavior, you'll become the target of the complaint."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous View Post
    By controlling the central online source of information about Morrissey, you aspire to have additional leverage with him. That's of course what this is about. You're doubling-down yet again in your quest to have influence with/over him, and getting deeper into the Morrissey business, even though he's loudly told you to remove yourself from his coat tails. Do you really think he still might hire you--even it's just to force you to stop embarrassing him by association?

    Helping you design this project: two of this site's most puerile abusers, people who have been proven dishonest, malicious, and wildly disfunctional. But they have flattered you and insulted your critics, so you link arms with them. Again: Morrissey-Solo business as usual.... When they realize the lay of the land and speak up about the problems they'll inevitably encounter, you'll allow your pet trolls of the moment to harass them at length, no holds barred. The contributors will recall that the site's TOS forbade harassment, perhaps complain--then be punished for complaining. Astonished and saddened, they'll depart. New users, as unaware of the pattern as the old ones were, will replace them, then wise up, then criticize, then be attacked, then be replaced... And on and on it goes...
    There's something to this, for one because it immediately came true after appearing, i.e. the anonymous poster's identity was spelled out without their consent. Given Morrissey's known objections to this site, the expansion online on his back is, at a human and moral level, lamentable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goinghome View Post
    There's something to this, for one because it immediately came true after appearing, i.e. the anonymous poster's identity was spelled out without their consent. Given Morrissey's known objections to this site, the expansion online on his back is, at a human and moral level, lamentable.
    Actually I did not think know that was his real name (and still don't), he has probably used over a hundred aliases on the site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidt View Post
    Actually I did not think know that was his real name (and still don't), he has probably used over a hundred aliases on the site.
    Do you blame him?? Oh, and btw, this is not one of Morrissey's hundreds of alises. David can expose the IP address of this lil' post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous View Post
    Helping you design this project: two of this site's most puerile abusers, people who have been proven dishonest, malicious, and wildly disfunctional. But they have flattered you and insulted your critics, so you link arms with them. Again: Morrissey-Solo business as usual.
    I've got two words for ya, baby.

    "Boo" and "hoo."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skylarker View Post
    I've got two words for ya, baby.

    "Boo" and "hoo."
    Yikes. I hope Davidt foots the bill for you to take a community college Public Relations course.

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    Maybe Geezer can give us advice seeing as she is an upstanding citizen in her community, trusted confidant to her friends, is extremely intelligent and properly educated, & just generally has her shit together in ways we could never hope to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goinghome View Post
    There's something to this, for one because it immediately came true after appearing, i.e. the anonymous poster's identity was spelled out without their consent. Given Morrissey's known objections to this site, the expansion online on his back is, at a human and moral level, lamentable.

    Lamentable ? In what way ? I'd always understood that this wasn't a website for Morrissey but, rather ,for Morrissey fans. It seems unlikely the discography , tour histories, etc. of the Wiki will feature the same volume of caustic banter found elsewhere here ....

    Quite genuinely , I don't follow your argument at all. I wouldn't mind , goinghome , hearing a bit more from you on your concern ( I hope it goes without saying that I'm not interested in baiting/bickering/blathering/blustering/bluffing/ etc ... ) ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 123xyz View Post
    Lamentable ? In what way ? I'd always understood that this wasn't a website for Morrissey but, rather ,for Morrissey fans. It seems unlikely the discography , tour histories, etc. of the Wiki will feature the same volume of caustic banter found elsewhere here ....

    Quite genuinely , I don't follow your argument at all. I wouldn't mind , goinghome , hearing a bit more from you on your concern ( I hope it goes without saying that I'm not interested in baiting/bickering/blathering/blustering/bluffing/ etc ... ) ....
    Although I welcome the contributions, it seems a bit hypocritical for goinghome to make that statement and yet continue to visit / post on the site.

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