London 2012 Summer Olympics torchlighting segment titled "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out"

@ Theo

By 'your opening ceremony' I assume you mean the artistic creation of Danny Boyle? It wasn't my opening ceremony or it would certainly have referenced The Smiths and Morrissey. Once again, you make no reference to Morrissey even though this site is exclusively about his work. Other than cats, of course.

I have made no comment about the British health-care system as it is not relevant. If we were discussing 'SMIYTYHTOB' I might muse about "Friday night...outpatients". But we're not. I did not say I 'worshipped state-run TV'. The BBC is not 'state-run': it is run by the BBC Charter and funded through a licence fee which I object to as I feel it should be funded from progressive general taxation. If you wish to comment on British culture, please educate yourself sufficiently first:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/governance/regulatory_framework/charter_agreement.html

Piers Morgan has no authority to speak on behalf of 'everyone' in Britain, just as Bill O'Reilly has no such authority to speak on behalf of 'everyone' in the United States. Mr Morgan's ludicrous claim that Mr Romney was delivering a 'professional' opinon on the Olympics was belied by Mr Romney's absurd gaffes and lack of preparation for his visit to London:

http://bit.ly/MPqNrJ

Once again, I fail to see what relevance your comments have to Morrissey's absence from the Olympic opening ceremony. Although I can see that a snippet of 'I Have Forgiven Jesus' might have caused the Mormon Republican presumptive nominee some discomfort.

regards
 
There were no corporate advertising breaks throughout the BBC coverage. Never has been in any Olympics. This may be an alien concept to you as an American. London is ecstatically proud, hardly embarassed. American, however, should be deeply embarassed by the inane and fatuous comments of Mitt Romney's face-time attention whoring.

regards

The American media is set up on a different economic model than the British, so the presence of commercials really doesn't have anything to do with the content of the opening ceremony.

As for Mitt--embarrassed? I'd be embarrassed if he were a legitimate representative for the American people, someone we had actually chosen to speak for us. Outraged, horrified, disgusted... better descriptors for what I'm feeling. He's buying a presidency for himself. Isn't that nice?

I thought that pretty much every British person knows who Morrissey is--you are all always posting little offhand (snipes, usually) to him that appear in your newspapers and magazines. Most Americans have no idea who he is. The omission of the Smiths from the representative sample of British culture is glaring. I can't speculate whether that's due to his outspoken disapproval of the Royals and the British government, or not.
 
@PregnantForTheLastTime

Mitt Romney 'mis-spoke' and created confusion, although he seems to have tried to repair the damage. The financing of the American Presidential election seems to ensure that only the richest candidates can win. It's not quite like that in Britian although the execreble News Corporation sought to destroy the BBC before they got their come-uppance over phone hacking.

Most middle-aged people in Britain know who Morrissey is. There's a bit of a 'disconnect' with the younger generation. My teenage children like him as I play his music regulary, but most of their friends regard him as just another example of 'Festival Dad-rock' which they ignore whilst heading off to the dance/dubstep tent.

Your comment that 'most Americans have no idea who he is' is telling. Morrissey's provocations on the death of Ronald Reagan were one of many desperate attempts to scandalize the so-called 'flyover' states. I think his animosity towards Madonna comes from a thwarted craving for similar 'Superbowl' level exposure, which he'll never get.

It's frustrating that Marr and Morrissey were excluded. The Smiths were excluded from 'Live Aid' because Moz dared to challenge 'St Bob Geldof'. I'm keeping an open mind as to the reasons why Morrissey and The Smiths were ignored last night, but i wouldn't be surprised if Danny Boyle was told to keep them off the world's screens. After all, Danny Boyle mentioned The Smiths as likely for the Olympics ceremony last year:

http://www.morrissey-solo.com/conte...ture-in-London-2012-Olympics-opening-ceremony

regards
 
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Come, now. The opening ceremony was jaw-droppingly ace. Danny Boyle should be carried shoulder-high down to Whitehall and plonked in Jeremy Hunt's chair.

Plus, he does his bit at weekends by hiring himself out as Morrissey through a look-alike agency. And there's always the closing ceremony.
 
I think his absence from the ceremony makes him more timeless. I mean think about it. Wouldn't we all be cringing if we heard "there's a club if you'd like to go, you could meet somebody who really loves you..." while some doe-eyed girl was staring at a hip hop guy while thousands of people with lights ticks danced around a bouncy house with sitcoms projected on it? :squiffy:

You raise an interesting point. Would Marr and Morrissey as Artists trust Danny Boyle as Auteur? Perhaps they were approached to licence their songs for the event and refused as they didn't have a context for the proposed use and feared exactly the scenario you outline. I'd imagine Boyle's ego is as big as Marr/Moz's so an impasse seems very possible.

Perhaps Morrissey was totally repulsed by the idea of his music being used at an event which has McDoncalds as one of its' main corporate sponsors and refused to licence any of his songs. This would be a very principled stand and announcing this would put Paul McCartney on the spot. Or maybe he just detests the whole drug-enhanced 'sport as national competition proxy for war' undertone to the event. Again, an entirely valid objection. I wish I could boycott the event but I just love ogling all the young, fit atheletes......

Did Boyle snub Marr/Morrissey or was he snubbed by them? Maybe Morrissey will reveal the truth at tonight's show. I had fun earlier with conspiracy theories that the Queen banned Moz from the soundtrack, but that's slightly unlikely seeing as how 'God Save The Queen' was used. Being more sensible: I'd guess it was the result of a spat between Boyle and Marr and/or Moz but I'd like to think it was Moz holding firm on the McDonalds fatwa. Just like when he walked off stage at that pig-roast festival horror.

'Morrissey boycotts Olympics over McDonalds' would generate suitable headlines for Susan Blond to continue the apparently fruitless task of placing Moz's next work with a large 'Big Music' corporate outlet and distribution network.

regards
 
UncleSkinny has queried the validity of this poll elsewhere in this thread and I have replied to his interesting input so I will not repeat myself here.

McCartney is indeed 'a former Beatle with more money and fame than any other British musician in existence' and that is his sole raison d'etre these days. He didn't sing a Wings song last night! I saw no elements of eulogy or appreciation of his Beatles colleagues, just another example of his tiresome attempts to re-write British cultural history amplifying his importance to absurd levels. I am a great admirer of his work, but there's limits to my patience with his endless insecurities.

Please organise your thinking. First you say the 'icon poll' was an unreliable gaugue of public opinion then, apropos of nothing, you cite 'general opinion' of Morrissey without providing any source or context for your assertion. This 'general opinion' appears to be your personal rumination.

Your comments to the effect that has racist tendencies is similarly unsupported and presumably relies on the utterly discredited NME 'Morrissey Memes'. You should exercise caution in asserting Morrissey has 'racist tendencies' as such a comment is borderline actionable and your IP address / ISP provider is traceable.

I am not particularly interested in pub-based conversations other than as a prelude to sexual intimacy. I rarely find discussion of Morrissey to be efficacious for this purpose.

I am indeed a member of the Audience, both when I listen to Morrissey's recorded consumer products and when I attend his curated consumer expriences. I find much to admire in his work and remain fascintated by his morbid journey through the delusions of 'fame' and its' attendant 'fans'.

I agree with Ran Prieur that 'no one who understands fame wants to be famous' and also that 'fame is a mental illness in the followers of the famous person'. I would add that 'fame is a mental illness in any person who accepts the preconditions of fame. I do not accept 'fame' as a meaninful concept so it's therefore impossible for me to be a 'fan' of anyone or anything. Morrissey stated 'fame' was the only worthwhile adventure in life:

http://bit.ly/O5Pand

As the whole supporting superstructure of 'fame' collapses around his ears due to the Internet demolishing the gatekeepers who priviliged him initially: I am interested in seeing how he resolves this existential error or continues in the delusions which increasingly seem to frustrate him and deprive him of artistic growth and reward. I am on this website to observe The Collapse Of Fame, using Morrissey as a particularly interesting example. Paul McCartney as an study subject would also be interesting.

You began your unsolicited communication with me by claiming my observations were 'silly' and 'ridiculous'. You now seem to be attempting to invalidate me with some sort of prejudice against intellectual reasoning, as if 'semantics' was irrelevant to human cognition and social networking.

I am no 'fan' of Morrissey. I am a member of his Audience. There's a real difference. Once implies co-dependent neurosis, one implies physchological health and mutual respect. I trust this further response clarifies my position for you.

regards.

No, the comment is not "borderline actionable", and no-one is going to trace my IP or ISP provider because this forum is run by an individual, not by the Thought Police. I don't think Morrissey is racist - but I think he appears that way to much of the general public, hence the remark.

I will end this discussion here simply because I have not got the patience or willpower to sift through another of your dreary, turgid, pseudo-intellectual missives for a point worthy of response. 'Curated consumer experiences', really? That would be 'live gigs' to the hoi polloi, would it? You take yourself (and indeed, this forum) entirely too seriously if you have joined a music website solely to observe how Morrissey 'resolves the existential error' of his diminishing fame. Do you actually speak like that in the real world, or just when you're trying to sound impressive on an Internet forum? Do you deliver long-winded lectures on mortality to people in the street who ask you for the time?
 
@ amy

Earlier in this thread you stated:

'"General opinion" of Morrissey is that he was a cult figure for disaffected youth some 25 years ago, and now he's just a loudmouth twat with racist tendencies who keeps his face in the papers by comparing factory farming to the Holocaust.'

You now clarify that you were not speaking from a personal, and potentially libelous perspective, but rather you were 'channelling' some kind of communal mind / hive 'general opinion' regarding Morrissey. As you provide no evidence for any source to back up this supposed 'general opinion': your comment amounts to corrosive and scurrilous gossip, and perhaps evidence of a more disturbing belief in your ability to 'remotely read minds'. You are a gossip. Invoking the 'Though Police' / censorship protest is particular ill-advised, given that you set yourself up as a spokesperson for the 'Thought Police' of the 'general public': even though you can provide no evidence that you have canvassed anyone other than yourself regarding Morrissey.

I am pleased you are ending our discussion as you do not appear to have anything interesting or constructive to add to this thread. It was your choice to offer me your impertinence, dismissing my reflections as 'silly' and 'ridiculous'. As you can now realise, I am anything but: it is you who deserve such gently mocking epthets. You have no idea whether I take myself or this forum 'entirely' too seriously. I may just be enjoying an ironic post-modernist deconstruction of such forums and their denizens whilst I watch the Olympics. My reasons for joining this forum (again) are absolutely none of your business but feel free to exhaust yourself in attempting to decode my motives.

Yes, I do speak like this in the real world and I'm hardly 'trying to sound impressive on an Internet forum'. I'm a heavyweight in every sense of the word. Intellectually, physically, culturally. There's nothing 'pseudo' about me other than when I wish to confuse tiresome people by hiding behind various existential masks. If people ask me the time, I tell them the time. As they walk away I might burst into song:

"I look at my watch it say 9:25 and I think
"Oh God I'm still alive""

It then amuses me to watch their reaction.

I shall now peruse your comment history to see what other remarkable insights you have offered this community when not spreading poisonous gossip about Morrissey. I will not add you my 'ignore list' on this ocassion as I feel I may find humour in your future comments.

Goodbye Amy.
 
Dear 'Theo'

you stated the following: 'I saw some propaganda for socialist health care going on.... the commentators on NBC were noting that these ceremonies refused to have any moment of silence for the 40th anniversary of the murder of 11 Israeli athletes.'

You may not be aware of the fact that the private 'NBC' corporation deliberately censored and disrupted the narrative Danny Boyle composed. In an act of unbelievable cultural arrogance and insensitivity, the only broadcaster to have rights to the Olympics in America chose to prevent Americans from viewing the memorial sequence dedicated to the victims of the 7/7 atrocities. This whilst 'noting' the absence of a memorial to another atrocity which had nothing to do with London. The reaction amongst aware Americans is refreshingly incandescent:

http://twitchy.com/2012/07/28/nbc-c...ictims-airs-michael-phelps-interview-instead/

http://deadspin.com/5929778/heres-t...-terrorism-victims-nbc-doesnt-want-you-to-see

The reaction of the right-wing in Britain to American progangandising about the 'socialist NHS' segment is equally withering:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19029510

Here's Morrissey on America:

'What's the Morrissey line on the Big Country?
"Em... it's difficult... it's quite a good place if you belong and if you're not poor. But if you don't belong and if you are poor, I think it's the worst place in the universe. Obviously it's very materialistic and all of that. And it's a cultural wilderness, we all know that."'


http://foreverill.com/interviews/1985/chairman.htm

With regard to healthcare America certainly does seem a grim part of the Universe to be poor in. Morrissey wore NHS spectacles long after he could have afforded expensive Aviator Raybans. There are serious issues with the British NHS 'going forward'. However, I believe there is a real passion amongst many, if not most, British people to scrupulously avoid the worst excesses of for-profit medicine which the U.S tragically exemplifies.

We Brits have put up with American revisionism of our history and culture before:

http://www.contactmusic.com/news-article/british-historians-attack-hollywood-.distortions.

Before you next wade in with specious Drudge-generated propaganda about Britain, please remember: 'America Is NOT the world'. And more culturally aware Americans than yourself definitely realise all is not well in your corporately mediated 'NBC' nirvana:

http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2012/...nbc-viewers-complain-about-delayed-broadcast/

I will now see if the first comments on tonight's performance in Manchester have arrived and whether they contain any confirmation that Morrissey boycotted the Olympic opening soundtrack due to the alien presence of the McDonald's corporation.

regards
 
@ Mozzer's Left Eyebrow

Careful with the 'glorifying terrorism' schtick! A guy was just let out of a UK prison for 'joking' about such things. I guess as you've put 'lol' the Judge might be lenient.....but beware: UncleSkinny is a UK resident and can be forced to divulge your I.P address to The Authorities.

Who is 'they'? Ticket refunds? Are you saying there'll be some 'false flag' event like wot some people say wuz 9/11.....

Perhaps Morrissey would have vetoed any use of The Smiths to prevent Mike Joyce getting a cut (yawn) but I'm sure he'd have welcomed the use of a Morrissey-Solo song. It wouldn't make sense for him to continually bewail the lack of media coverage for his efforts then thwart/stymie an opportunity to reach a global audience. He seems genuinely thrilled by the rapture of new audience pastures (Indonesia, etc).

What's your problem with Blur? It could be worse: Oasis. I guess Noel and Liam will be realising their contretemps has damaged their income stream: an Olympics appearance with McCartney would surely have been their wet dream. They f***ed up, out of the picture, now sidelined in 'solo-projects'. Just like Moz and Marr.

regards.

How on earth is suggesting a terrorism attach at the Olympics may happen (as it has happened previously) 'glorifying terrorism'? Are you serious right now? You're coming across as a mental.
 
I enjoyed the bracing storm of The Arctic Monkeys but I'm not convinced their legacy will be of any great importance.

Quite right - it's unbelievable that they had the Arctic Monkeys performing. A novelty indie-pop band from 2005 who, had they appeared mid Britpop, would have enjoyed all the commercial success and cultural clout of Menswear. Hardly anyone beyond the world of indie geekdom knows more than 2 of their songs. It's just baffling, and perhaps can only be explained by the misguided notion of cool. I don't really like Coldplay but at least they have tons of songs that loads of people know, are great at putting on massive shows, and have been a massive international success.
 
Dear 'Love Mozzy'

I must improve my ironic gestures as they clearly sailed over your head. The clue as to how 'serious' I was in my reply to 'Mozzer's Left Eyebrow' is contained in the use of the phrase 'Are you saying there'll be some 'false flag' event like wot some people say wuz 9/11.....'

http://planet.infowars.com/worldnew...-to-continue-games-in-just-about-any-scenario

'Mozzer's Left Eyebrow' was being playful and mischievous. So was I. I hope you will not have any nightmares about this. As for 'you're coming across as a mental': I take that as a compliment. Perhaps you are friends with KrisTeen Young? Or maybe you are Kristeen Young checking up on the inmates after an exhausting wail to a half-empty arena in Manchester tonight. Have a camomile tea and get to bed.

regards
 
@ amy

Earlier in this thread you stated:

'"General opinion" of Morrissey is that he was a cult figure for disaffected youth some 25 years ago, and now he's just a loudmouth twat with racist tendencies who keeps his face in the papers by comparing factory farming to the Holocaust.'

You now clarify that you were not speaking from a personal, and potentially libelous perspective, but rather you were 'channelling' some kind of communal mind / hive 'general opinion' regarding Morrissey. As you provide no evidence for any source to back up this supposed 'general opinion': your comment amounts to corrosive and scurrilous gossip, and perhaps evidence of a more disturbing belief in your ability to 'remotely read minds'. You are a gossip. Invoking the 'Though Police' / censorship protest is particular ill-advised, given that you set yourself up as a spokesperson for the 'Thought Police' of the 'general public': even though you can provide no evidence that you have canvassed anyone other than yourself regarding Morrissey.

I am pleased you are ending our discussion as you do not appear to have anything interesting or constructive to add to this thread. It was your choice to offer me your impertinence, dismissing my reflections as 'silly' and 'ridiculous'. As you can now realise, I am anything but: it is you who deserve such gently mocking epthets. You have no idea whether I take myself or this forum 'entirely' too seriously. I may just be enjoying an ironic post-modernist deconstruction of such forums and their denizens whilst I watch the Olympics. My reasons for joining this forum (again) are absolutely none of your business but feel free to exhaust yourself in attempting to decode my motives.

Yes, I do speak like this in the real world and I'm hardly 'trying to sound impressive on an Internet forum'. I'm a heavyweight in every sense of the word. Intellectually, physically, culturally. There's nothing 'pseudo' about me other than when I wish to confuse tiresome people by hiding behind various existential masks. If people ask me the time, I tell them the time. As they walk away I might burst into song:

"I look at my watch it say 9:25 and I think
"Oh God I'm still alive""

It then amuses me to watch their reaction.

I shall now peruse your comment history to see what other remarkable insights you have offered this community when not spreading poisonous gossip about Morrissey. I will not add you my 'ignore list' on this ocassion as I feel I may find humour in your future comments.

Goodbye Amy.

Please stop misusing colons. Thanks.
 
Dear 'Love Mozzy'

I must improve my ironic gestures as they clearly sailed over your head. The clue as to how 'serious' I was in my reply to 'Mozzer's Left Eyebrow' is contained in the use of the phrase 'Are you saying there'll be some 'false flag' event like wot some people say wuz 9/11.....'

http://planet.infowars.com/worldnew...-to-continue-games-in-just-about-any-scenario

'Mozzer's Left Eyebrow' was being playful and mischievous. So was I. I hope you will not have any nightmares about this. As for 'you're coming across as a mental': I take that as a compliment. Perhaps you are friends with KrisTeen Young? Or maybe you are Kristeen Young checking up on the inmates after an exhausting wail to a half-empty arena in Manchester tonight. Have a camomile tea and get to bed.

regards

I'm in bed already. Careful of those flame wars out there. And the info wars. And Blur. But especially the illuminati.
 
@ 'anonymous': You are 'anonymous'. Please add 'invisible' and and 'irrelevant' to your moniker. Thanks.
 
@ 'anonymous': You are 'anonymous'. Please add 'invisible' and and 'irrelevant' to your moniker. Thanks.

Why'd you stop saying "regards"?
 
I'm in bed already. Careful of those flame wars out there. And the info wars. And Blur. But especially the illuminati.

The illuminati are sooooooooo guilty of misusing colons.
 
The illuminati are sooooooooo guilty of misusing colons.
of all the Illuminati crimes(& they are legion) misuse of colons/semicolons is at the top of the list :eek:

as for the ceremonies in question, I liked them, was happy to "Heroes" by David Bowie :guitar:
and I got a bit teary eyed at watching my mother get teary eyed during the little "Flower of Scotland" bit :o


ps: a Smiths song would have been icing on the cake, but cmon, being a Smiths/Moz fan is, sort of, about being overlooked and possibly slighted in some way, its par for the course
 

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