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    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalGeezer View Post
    Morrissey asked this last night in Tucson. I'll take a crack at it.



    The President, the Prime Minister, leaders in general create a sense of order for people who are, generally, not that smart and cooperate more productively as a society if they sense someone is in charge. It is essential to have someone in charge, Anarchy would never work, look at riot situations, it becomes a chaotic all man for themselves and people become very selfish without order. Having said that and not giving people credit and PERHAPS what Morrissey is sensing is that the people in control seem to be manipulating situations not in the favor of the flock who they are elected to represent. This could be due to a number of factors, one conspiratorial theory I've heard is that there is an old boy's club controlling all leaders to maintain a dictinctive two class system: extremely rich and extremely poor. America operates under the illusion we have a healthy middle class but if you look at the statistics the gap between the very rich and very poor is widening at an alarming rate. The great dupe facilitated by the old boy's that maintain control of the leaders. One aspect of that theory is that there is no two party system except for on television. Republican and Democratic candidates (substiture Whig and Tory for UK) graduate from the same secret school of power and pretend to lean one way or another when in reality the main goal is to protect the interests of the secret old boy's club. This either happen literally where Barack and Mittens are tipping glasses afterhours in some secret Eli hideaway applauding their acting job at a recent debate...or it's more of a cosmic thing where the old boy's use...well, it's hard to go into. The point is, the interests of the people in system seems to be on the back burner. This does not mean that the system itself is flawed. The constitution is a fucking brilliant document. The system of checks and balances is extremely fair and studied, the system works, it;s the participants that are suspect. I honestly don't believe Obama is a willing participant in the greatest dupe, but i see where Morrissey is coming from. Something is off. There is major imbalance, look at the economies crapping out. I don't have the education to comment on financial balance, but it seems to be a BIG sign that shit is fucked up and corrupt in order for a few to win. I firmly believe in a saying I bought on a bumper sticker at the Farmer's Market, "If the people lead, eventially the leaders willl follow." It struck me as profound truth, but it has to be a truth that seeps into existence like a viral video and take over, but it has to be based on compassion, empathy, firmness, resolute. But order has to remain, we need presidents and Prime Ministers. We just need them to think differently.
    people still listen to what he has to say? after he said that stuff about the troops..i kinda had a sudden realization...he just needs to shut up most of the time.

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    Default Re: The point of having a President

    Quote Originally Posted by applebuttaz View Post
    people still listen to what he has to say? after he said that stuff about the troops..i kinda had a sudden realization...he just needs to shut up most of the time.
    What did he say about the troops?



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    Maybe Geezer can give us advice seeing as she is an upstanding citizen in her community, trusted confidant to her friends, is extremely intelligent and properly educated, & just generally has her shit together in ways we could never hope to?

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    The problem is the lobbyists who flitter back and forth between government positions then to corporations and then back to government.
    Look at the telecom scandal.

    Obama has a lot more power than previous presidents with the exception of Bush who he has to thank for those powers.
    I don't buy that bull that he's "trying".

    It's one thing to have bought in for the hope and change speech... it's another thing that a lot of liberals are defending Obama's presidency.
    He's nothing short of a war mongerer the same as Bush.
    The people who cry what will happen if we get Romney need to ask themselves what America would look like to them if they were Muslim.
    Things are already bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalGeezer View Post
    What did he say about the troops?
    something about not supporting them, and said some other stuff...and mind you he was playing in the us at the time..and i don't wanna be dramatic and say it was during july it might have been...i saw it on here and it got buzzetta pretty up and arms..don't know if he or she still posts on here or not but that was when i kinda saw man..he should shut up sometimes about his opinions.

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