What are you on about? He was always good!
He lacked before, but yes, he's improved!
He's a bit better, but still no Alain.
Not sure whether he has, but I don't care for him as a band member.
No, he's as cack-handed as ever.
He's gotten worse!
How could anyone possibly confuse this man for a decent guitarist?
Of course, guitarists who are technically flawed but somehow manage to make great noises tend to be in bands in which they enjoy total freedom to be as messy as they want. Jesse doesn't have that freedom. This must always be kept in mind when evaluating his talent and playing ability. Personally I don't like him as a guitar player, but I don't feel I know him as a guitar player. As with all of Morrissey's musicians, you not only have to ask, "What can they do?", but also, more importantly, "What will he allow them to do?"
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I also agree that Jesse does not have the luxury of total freedom, but what people don't realise is that there's more to being in a band than just playing music, a lot more. I get tired of the lazy criticism and constant Jesse bashing that goes on here, he's obviously the right man for Morrissey, he fits! So maybe Alain wasn't as 'good' as Johnny, maybe Jesse isn't as 'good' as Alain, oh how we wish it was still the 80's. I say STFU and enjoy this great band while you can!
In my view it's not accurate to say Morrissey has a great band. I think he's a great singer, and we should appreciate this great singer while we can. I think the quality of his band is actually kind of an irrelevant question. He doesn't want a great band, and I don't think they're trying to be one. It's not really a "band" situation, although it does appear to be. Music afficianados aside, can anyone name Elvis Presley's backing musicians? How about Billy Fury's? Sandie Shaw's? It's all about the Voice, and that's the way Morrissey wants it. You're right to say they fit, and fit is the most important thing. They fit as adequate backing players for a living legend.
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Jesse got down on his knee and took my smelly dog's face in his hands and gave him kisses on the nose and talked to him sweet while all the fan girls were asking Morrissey to sign their arms with marker. He could play the whole set out of tune and I wouldn't give a shit. I like him. And he's a good guitarist.
A week ago I downloaded an R.E.M. gig from 1984 or 1985. I'm not a huge R.E.M. fan at all, although once upon a time I liked them quite a bit. Anyway, I was floored by how distinctive the band sounded back in those days. Such a unique sound, as distinctive as a fingerprint. I'm not talking about Michael Stipe at all, because he was more of a mumbler then, no, I'm talking about the other three making music that sounded full of personality, a special kind of voice in its own right. Listening to Peter Buck's guitar was like hearing the voice of a dear old friend you haven't seen in decades (partly because R.E.M.'s sound evolved away from the jingly-jangly stuff, partly because I stopped listening to them as much).
I don't know that I get that feeling from Morrissey's band(s). Do you think if you heard a soundcheck recording of his current lineup, sans Morrissey's vocals, you'd know who they were?
Which reminds me: I hear tell Peter Buck's calendar opened up recently...
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Billy Fury's? Sandy Shaw's... er no.
You're right about 'The Voice' of course. However I don't like the way people post clips of Jesse's bum notes as evidence that he's not right for the job. How easy would it be to trawl through live clips and make snotty comments every time Morrissey's vocal hit a dodgy note? It would probably be easy but I would never do it, I wouldn't want to, it would be nasty and mean spirited.
For me it comes down to what I think Morrissey is trying to accomplish, not what I listen for in music. And I just don't think he's attempting to make music with a true band dynamic. I'm fully aware that he likes Boz, Jesse, and the guys; I know he says "We are Morrissey", implying he does think of them as a band; and I haven't forgotten how he talked enthusiastically about how some of his recent stuff was recorded more as a true band. Nevertheless, I think that he's going for a different dynamic: singer with backing band, not a band. I base this as much on his favorite records, and what he talks about liking in other music, as I do on what he's doing with his own players. For him the voice is everything. The voice is paramount in pop music, the music secondary. It's just his way of listening to, and making, pop records. That The Smiths were a strong band in their own right was an accident.
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If you're right, then.. thank God for Johnny Marr. Morrissey owes him everything.That The Smiths were a strong band in their own right was an accident.
The key word, I think, is luck. Marr did the knocking, but they both got lucky.
Chance played a big role in the formation of The Smiths. That's why I say it's important to remember they were an accident. People look back and assume Morrissey got it right the first time around and has spent 25 years wandering the desert trying to return to the Eden years of 1983-1987. I think it's the opposite. The Smiths were the imperfect, rough-draft period of his career, and since 1987 he's actually had the power and the freedom to make the career he always wanted.
There was a point in time when he knew he wanted to sing, before Johnny knocked on his door. My guess is that if we could go back in a hot tub time machine to that point in time, seek him out at a Buzzcocks gig, and ask him what his ideal situation would be, 20 year old Morrissey would spell out-- not in names, but in terms of personnel and structure-- the situation of his current band, not The Smiths; his ideal template would be Nico, not The Beatles. People always underestimate his arty side, I think (why is Linder his soulmate, for crying out loud?). He doesn't like rock and roll per se. He loves pop music-- and, occasionally, he has loved rock-heavy pop bands who have used rock as one way to convey the emotions of a singer. Always, always the singer came first.
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Does Morrissey think he has assembled the finest band in the world? Or the finest band for him? There's a difference. He wants something very specific from them. They give it to him. He loves them for it. That isn't the same thing as Morrissey believing he's got the cream of the crop.
I think he listens to rock music differently than we do. What he wants out of a band isn't what we, as fans, might want out of a band.
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