no its just that you focus on the negative in every story, possibly as a subconscious attempt at revengeOriginally Posted by davidt
Re: Do you believe that the MEN show will be Morrissey's only UK date of the year?
no its just that you focus on the negative in every story, possibly as a subconscious attempt at revenge
Last edited by smiler; June 9, 2012 at 12:11 AM.
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explain - that makes no sense
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Ummm. I bought a ticket and travelled 800 miles (one way) and two states to see him and he added a date down the street after the fact and I was a tad peeved.And I've been called his most dysfunctional sycophantical fan.
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joe frady posted that he didn't find Morrissey deceived him.
An anonymous user insulted him that he's a sycophant using derogatory language.
Some users demanded this particular derogatory comment should be deleted.
Then you jumped on the band wagon and started criticising site administrator and moderators.
Re: Do you believe that the MEN show will be Morrissey's only UK date of the year?
I suppose you could look at it that way, but I am just calling it as I see it.
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Whlist i am glad you see it as a bandwagon you forgot the following in your helpful summary:
Site owner and moderators jump to the defense of "anonymous" claiming "free speech"
which is what prompted my original post
what does that have to do witn the content of my post and your suggestion that i "twisted" the announcemnt anyway?
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well okay but i bet you had a good time - did you go to both shows? - Do you think Morrissey did that intentionally to con you out of money? Were you pleased that you got to see him again or did you think the earlier show was a waste of money/time? I am pretty sure this kind of thing has happened before and it turned out Morrissey had nothing to do with it as he wasn't directly involved with how the concert was promoted.Ummm. I bought a ticket and travelled 800 miles (one way) and two states to see him and he added a date down the street after the fact and I was a tad peeved.
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This site's purpose is not to glorify Morrissey, but give a platform to discuss all aspects relate to him.
He is also a human being who often makes wrong decisions.
Maurice E quoted Uncleskinny's earlier post which he expressed his thought, I don't find nothing wrong with it.
However, you picked on Uncleskinny's comment and now criticising all the moderators.
Only one moderator posted it, other four did not.
You find numerous negative opinions and insulting comments about Morrissey in other sites, but come here to criticise this site.
It might be Morrissey's public persona attracts negative reactions.
Generally people in showbiz are subject of insult and mockery, you can't filter negative opinions.
If you filter criticism, you have to filter constructive criticism as well.
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Well, I have no illusions that there isn't conning going on. For instance, the Bakersfield show was announced as SOLD OUT on Ticketmaster the afternoon of, but there were more than a hundred empty seats to be sold at the window. I think there might've been an "announcement" about tickets being "released." THat must be code for tickets that were never sold to begin with. That's the tour promoter though, I'm not sure Morrissey is directly involved in holding out on announcing dates in order to generate sales, but maybe. I suppose there is a business aspect to it all. I did go to both shows, it was very costly. I did have a good time, but had I known the LA dates were going to appear I would not have bought Albuquerque tickets and hotel and gas, etc.. I can identify with the folks from Scotland saying WTF? after purchasing MEN Arena tickets on the promise it was the only UK date. It doesn't taste right, something weird about it.
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Wait... you're complaining about seeing MORE shows than you would have otherwise? What's wrong with you? Also, you do realize that the distance between EDI and MAN is a cheap, not very long train ride, right? You've looked at a map? They'll live and be happy that they get 2 chances instead of one to see him. Or at least the non-drama queen crybabies will.
And, sorry but sold out on Ticketmaster means jack shit on just about any show they sell. Tickets always go on sale the day of. The promoter and venue ALWAYS hold tickets back. I'd say maybe 1/2 to 2/3 of the ones available actually go on sale on Ticketmaster during the main "sale". If you're dealing with a non-TM venue it's usually a little more straightforward and sold out is a lot more likely to mean sold out, give or take a dozen tickets or so.
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Okay fine. But what if this was my first Morrissey show. I go online to get a ticket and it says Sold Out. I hear that "tickets are being released" so I scramble and buy one of those. Then I go to the show and see that there are hundreds of empty seats. What is my impression of the marketing of this show? I feel duped. I don't think that's what Morrissey wants his audience to be feeling, going into a show bitter that "Hey wait a minute, there were seats all along." Or "Hey wait a minute...this wasn't his only show in the UK." It's shit PR and for what? To create a false buzz to manipulate a few extra tickets sales? Shady. I'm just saying from the perspective of a ticket holder it's not awesome business practice to manipulate your clientele.
I go to this chain of cafe's in California called Panera, they bake their own bread. (read: they heat up frozen loaves of bread). ANyway, I was sitting at one the other day reading my book when a buzzer went off and EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE yelled "Hot bread!" There was something very phoney about it. It;s a chain, they;re getting paid minimum wage, could give a shit yet their manager has coached them to get all excited about the bread being done. That same phoniness is what I felt seeing all the empty seats at robabank theater. I'm sure it's a standard industry practice to hype sales in every possible way, but it feels manipulative.
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okay but even if it was deliberate it is still a jump to say Morrissey is directly deceiving people rather than a promoter
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Yes, it is a jump. I think a lot of people in Morrissey's circle stand to profit from him and influence his decisions when he slips into kid mode, which he does. I do not think Morrissey is the impetus of the deception, though he will always take the fall for it. I suspect there are a LOT of dynamics almost impossible to begin trying to explain with Morrissey. In short, I do not feel deception is his motivation. He really does just love singing. Ask Johnny Marr.
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Promoters don't release information via True-To-You. Morrissey does.
http://true-to-you.net/morrissey_news_120408_01
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Isn't the purpose of a fan site to glorify a little? - why not? I wasn't even suggesting that myself rather it was just a plea not to focus disproportionately on the negative.
I wasn't talking about uncleskinny's post i don't even know which one you mean? - there are plently of other examples. It seems to be most of the mods including you and the owner who hold or promote this negative view.
I find it hard to follow your posts - they don't make sense or follow on from the other posts your quote?
"If you filter criticism, you have to filter constructive criticism as well" - no you don't - why? by all means keep the constructive criticism its the insulting, derogatory (as you yourself descibed it) posts that need filtering.
"It might be Morrissey's public persona attracts negative reactions." - and here we have another example of your agenda - Morrissey's "public persona" (a phrase which presupposes a deception,) has let you down again somehow, although you won't say it directly but this is the reason for example that you defend anonymous over Joe. Its because you agree with anonymous in his attack perhaps not in the choice of language but in the point of view - i.e. those that defend Morrissey are unjustified in doing so (they are blind sycophanic fans) and are therefore open to attack based on "free speech"
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then why does it read "Morrissey's only UK concert of 2012 will be at Manchester Arena" and not "My only UK concert of 2012 will be...."?
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In David and his team of moderator's defense, they have a right lean towards a negative viewpoint, don't you think? Though I feel they've been pretty darn fair since the meltdown considering everything and your assessment of their moderator skillz is a tad post hoc logic. Something went wrong, some complete lack of communication happened. Yet they post the "news" and provide an avenue for discussion diligently.
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Its even more likely that he just doesn't make firm long term plans (as he has indicated many times) and so statements that predict his future actions longterm may not hold up. His plans (if he actually made any) change dependent on how he feels. The statement was most likely true at the time, (and probably not directly endorsed by Morrissey anyway) - simple as that.
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Are you so stupid that you don't know how True-To-You works?
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i am not sure exactly what you mean but i will say this, I don't think the mods/owner have a "right" at all. i think the "meltdown" was completly their own doing. I think Morrissey is mostly correct about this site and it is he that has been wronged by obssesive superfans who demand his friendship and once spurned set their site on revenge. yes they do post the "news" and provide an avenue for discussion but i think the negative "let down" view point (their view point) is pervasive.
I think the mindset of some of these superfans (those that gain some direct contact with the man after he recognised the dedication) is that if they want to get really close to him (i.e. "friends") then they must prove they are not sycophantic (the ultimate sin for the super fan ironically) they achieve this by being hyper critical or hyper honest. When the unwarranted criticism is challenged they cry censorship and suggest Morrissey is surrounded by "yes men" or that he has simply lost the plot. When in reality this mindset is just another stage of their obssession.
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