Most Underrated/Overlooked Morrissey Songs?

All of these mentioned. Except Tony the Pony.
 
Off that list, I'm a big fan of:

America Is Not The World
Sweetie Pie


and, a decent-size fan of:

Margaret On The Guillotine
Christian Dior
Mexico

Surprised to see them listed so low. I also have always liked Sorrow Will Come In The End, but I can see why others might not.

As for Redondo Beach, it's a cover so it really shouldn't even be considered, but besides that, it's a damn fine song and I really like his rendition.

(If you want to make your voices be heard regarding some of Morrissey's better and underrated songs, you can vote for the best song in the Best Morrissey Song bracket I've created! ;))
 
I can't believe no one has mentioned my favorite yet: "I'd Love To" ("The more you ignore me..." b-side). I still remember buying the CD single at Vinyl Solution in Grand Rapids, Mich and speeding back to my small basement apartment during my senior year of college (I had no CD player in my car back then). Then hearing it for the first time and the hairs on my arm standing up.
 
It's always a bit vague asking for under-rated songs. Under-rated by who exactly?
To make the whole exercise slightly less vague, here's a list of the 60 worst Morrissey/Smiths songs of all time (as voted in the biggest ever Moz/Smith poll).
So which of these do you think are actually quite good?

(169) 201 Oh Well I’ll Never Learn (1988), average score: 7,17
(178) 202 A Song From Under The Floorboards (2006) 7,16
(186) 203 I Am Two People (2004) 7,15
(188) 204 Don’t Make Fun Of Daddy’s Voice (2004) 7,15
(184) 205 That’s Entertainment (1991) 7,14
(187) 206 I Just Want To See The Boy Happy (2006) 7,10
(---) 207 Born To Hang (unreleased) 7,07
(191) 208 Now I Am A Was (1997) 7,06
(194) 209 Heir Apparent (1997) 7,03
(193) 210 Pashernate Love (1991) 7,01
(192) 211 On The Streets I Ran (2006) 6,99
(201) 212 The Public Image (2004) 6,89
(190) 213 This Is Not Your Country (1997) 6,88
(197) 214 Christian Dior (2006) 6,87
(196) 215 Dial-A-Cliché (1988) 6,85
(195) 216 Redondo Beach (2005) 6,85
(198) 217 Roy’s Keen (1997) 6,84
(---) 218 Fantastic Bird (2009) 6,83
(199) 219 At Amber (1990) 6,81
(---) 220 Children In Pieces (2008) 6,80
(200) 221 Dagenham Dave (1995) 6,80
(205) 222 At Last I Am Born (2006) 6,71
(204) 223 Moonriver (1994) 6,70
(202) 224 Ammunition (1997) 6,69
(206) 225 Margaret On The Guillotine (1988) 6,69
(---) 226 Drive-In Saturday (2008) 6,66
(---) 227 You Were Good In Your Time (2009) 6,66
(203) 228 The Draize Train (1986) 6,65
(207) 229 Mexico (2004) 6,64
(212) 230 East West (1989) 6,62
(211) 231 The Father Who Must Be Killed (2006) 6,61
(209) 232 Best Friend On The Payroll (1995) 6,60
(---) 233 Because Of My Poor Education (2009) 6,56
(208) 234 Cosmic Dancer (1991) 6,54
(215) 235 Death At One’s Elbow (1987) 6,53
(210) 236 Black Eyed Susan (1995) 6,52
(214) 237 America Is Not The World (2004) 6,50
(216) 238 Money Changes Everything (1986) 6,49
(---) 239 Oh Phoney (unreleased) 6,46
(213) 240 Work Is A Four Letter Word (1987) 6,41
(220) 241 He Cried (1997) 6,38
(219) 242 Asian Rut (1991) 6,33
(217) 243 Ambitious Outsiders (1997) 6,30
(218) 244 There Speaks A True Friend (1992) 6,26
(---) 245 Sorry Doesn't Help (2009) 6,22
(223) 246 All The Lazy Dykes (2004) 6,15
(221) 247 You’ve Had Her (1992) 6,11
(224) 248 Slum Mums (2004) 6,10
(227) 249 Noise Is The Best Revenge (2005) 6,09
(225) 250 Tony The Pony (1991) 6,08
(222) 251 What’s The World (1987) 6,07
(226) 252 Get Off The Stage (1990) 5,96
(228) 253 Found Found Found (1991) 5,82
(229) 254 The Harsh Truth Of The Camera Eye (1991) 5,77
(230) 255 Sweetie Pie (2006) 5,53
(231) 256 Sorrow Will Come In The End (1997) 5,51
(232) 257 Papa Jack (1997) 5,11
(233) 258 Golden Lights (1986) 4,93
(234) 259 Journalists Who Lie (1991) 4,78

Are you sure thats all??
 
Always thought a lot of album tracks off Maladjusted get a bad rep. I really really like Papa Jack, Ammunition and He Cried.

It seems like all my favorites from Maladjusted are the most popular ones from Maladjusted, so I don't have much to add... I really do like "Satan..." a whole lot though. One of my many favorites.
 
What's wrong with you people? Several post in and still no mention of...



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Come to think of it, I have heard a lot of bad words spoken about this song as well, but it seems like people are pretty evenly divided between loving and hating it... I really like it m'self.
 
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I can't believe no one has mentioned my favorite yet: "I'd Love To" ("The more you ignore me..." b-side). I still remember buying the CD single at Vinyl Solution in Grand Rapids, Mich and speeding back to my small basement apartment during my senior year of college (I had no CD player in my car back then). Then hearing it for the first time and the hairs on my arm standing up.


Awwww. I love that story! :love:
 
Of the songs in that worst-of list, I took particular exception to these low-rated choices:

Don’t Make Fun Of Daddy’s Voice
I Just Want To See The Boy Happy
Fantastic Bird
Children In Pieces
Dagenham Dave
Ammunition
Drive-In Saturday
You Were Good In Your Time
The Draize Train
East West
The Father Who Must Be Killed
Death At One’s Elbow
Money Changes Everything
Tony The Pony
Get Off The Stage
Found Found Found(not my favorite on KU, but it grows on you... or me)
The Harsh Truth Of The Camera Eye
Journalists Who Lie
 
It's always a bit vague asking for under-rated songs. Under-rated by who exactly?
To make the whole exercise slightly less vague, here's a list of the 60 worst Morrissey/Smiths songs of all time (as voted in the biggest ever Moz/Smith poll).
So which of these do you think are actually quite good?

(169) 201 Oh Well I’ll Never Learn (1988), average score: 7,17
(178) 202 A Song From Under The Floorboards (2006) 7,16
(186) 203 I Am Two People (2004) 7,15
(188) 204 Don’t Make Fun Of Daddy’s Voice (2004) 7,15
(184) 205 That’s Entertainment (1991) 7,14
(187) 206 I Just Want To See The Boy Happy (2006) 7,10
(---) 207 Born To Hang (unreleased) 7,07
(191) 208 Now I Am A Was (1997) 7,06
(194) 209 Heir Apparent (1997) 7,03
(193) 210 Pashernate Love (1991) 7,01
(192) 211 On The Streets I Ran (2006) 6,99
(201) 212 The Public Image (2004) 6,89
(190) 213 This Is Not Your Country (1997) 6,88
(197) 214 Christian Dior (2006) 6,87
(196) 215 Dial-A-Cliché (1988) 6,85
(195) 216 Redondo Beach (2005) 6,85
(198) 217 Roy’s Keen (1997) 6,84
(---) 218 Fantastic Bird (2009) 6,83
(199) 219 At Amber (1990) 6,81
(---) 220 Children In Pieces (2008) 6,80
(200) 221 Dagenham Dave (1995) 6,80
(205) 222 At Last I Am Born (2006) 6,71
(204) 223 Moonriver (1994) 6,70
(202) 224 Ammunition (1997) 6,69
(206) 225 Margaret On The Guillotine (1988) 6,69
(---) 226 Drive-In Saturday (2008) 6,66
(---) 227 You Were Good In Your Time (2009) 6,66
(203) 228 The Draize Train (1986) 6,65
(207) 229 Mexico (2004) 6,64
(212) 230 East West (1989) 6,62
(211) 231 The Father Who Must Be Killed (2006) 6,61
(209) 232 Best Friend On The Payroll (1995) 6,60
(---) 233 Because Of My Poor Education (2009) 6,56
(208) 234 Cosmic Dancer (1991) 6,54
(215) 235 Death At One’s Elbow (1987) 6,53
(210) 236 Black Eyed Susan (1995) 6,52
(214) 237 America Is Not The World (2004) 6,50
(216) 238 Money Changes Everything (1986) 6,49
(---) 239 Oh Phoney (unreleased) 6,46
(213) 240 Work Is A Four Letter Word (1987) 6,41
(220) 241 He Cried (1997) 6,38
(219) 242 Asian Rut (1991) 6,33
(217) 243 Ambitious Outsiders (1997) 6,30
(218) 244 There Speaks A True Friend (1992) 6,26
(---) 245 Sorry Doesn't Help (2009) 6,22
(223) 246 All The Lazy Dykes (2004) 6,15
(221) 247 You’ve Had Her (1992) 6,11
(224) 248 Slum Mums (2004) 6,10
(227) 249 Noise Is The Best Revenge (2005) 6,09
(225) 250 Tony The Pony (1991) 6,08
(222) 251 What’s The World (1987) 6,07
(226) 252 Get Off The Stage (1990) 5,96
(228) 253 Found Found Found (1991) 5,82
(229) 254 The Harsh Truth Of The Camera Eye (1991) 5,77
(230) 255 Sweetie Pie (2006) 5,53
(231) 256 Sorrow Will Come In The End (1997) 5,51
(232) 257 Papa Jack (1997) 5,11
(233) 258 Golden Lights (1986) 4,93
(234) 259 Journalists Who Lie (1991) 4,78

All of those songs are phenomenal.
 
I like a lot of the songs on Maurice's list. I guess it just goes to show how prolifically good Moz has been.
 
You must please remember. Does anyone else see this a very haunting track? His melody and wailing and the backing vocals?
 
"Ammunition," "Heir Apparent" and "Christian Dior" all ranked so poorly on Maurice's list? Morrissey is golden.

I've always been surprised that "Nobody Loves Us" isn't a mainstream classic; it's Sinatra-worthy. "I Know Very Well How I Got My Name" and "Lost" should be featured on every movie soundtrack, "Hold Onto Your Friends" is seldom discussed yet I think of it quite often in my day-to-day life, and "Come Back to Camden," though much appreciated by the fan base, is strangely overlooked by Morrissey himself. I dimly remember something about Morrissey finding it too personal to sing, but it would be a live highlight, no doubt about it.
 
...and "Come Back to Camden," though much appreciated by the fan base, is strangely overlooked by Morrissey himself. I dimly remember something about Morrissey finding it too personal to sing, but it would be a live highlight, no doubt about it.

It was. Dublin, 29th of July 2011. Here's how it went down, as posted on 'The Cissy Site' at the time :rolleyes: ~

It was a truly beautiful moment. You had a hunch something special was about to happen because Jesse strapped on that pretty red guitar that he uses for 'There Is A Light..', then Morrissey and his band all crowded together in a loose huddle around Matt's drumkit, there was a bit of discussion, Matt looked at Moz with a 'Right?' look, Moz took a swig of water, then gave a firm nod; and off we bloody well went. Clearly there must have been some doubt as to whether they would play it.

Despite the clueless dolts about me in the balcony, I yelped with glee when I heard the opening line, as did many others down below who realised the momentousness of the...moment. Well actually they roared. I yelped. Each to their own, etc.

I was literally biting my knuckles whlist grinning, if that's physically possible, in the manner of a sweet-stuffed chubby child, for the entirety of the rendition.
The band nursed it gently, like an 'unpriapic fawn' being born into this world, and Morrissey was clearly nervous, which was incredibly charming. Mere minutes before he'd delivered 'Scandinavia' in a version that was so perfect in it's dark and twisted potency, so breathtaking in it's phrasing, control and precision, so pure in intent and intent on purity, that to see him switch to another skewed ode to the joys and misery of love, memory {and geography}, and address it so differently was...sublime. There was a devoted fragility to the performance that could have been debut nerves, or it could have been Moz channeling the emotion that first inspired the lyric. Who can say? Not even the man himself I'd wager. I prefer to pick the latter option.

He made some self-deprecating comments after it, over the wild yawps and screams, along the lines of 'You can't mean that' etc, etc. but that's just Morrissey. What does he know?

I hope he does it again. And I hope he doesn't. Weird.

To see him tightly closehis eyes, open his loving mouth and sing "and here is the very last plea from my heart, my heart / forevermore " is one of those heghtened memories I'll have forever...more

...we knew, we just knew...
:bow:

He played it the next night in Dublin, and on the final night of the tour at the London Palladium, when it was arguably even more sublime.
 
Re:"Come Back to Camden" live

It was. Dublin, 29th of July 2011. Here's how it went down, as posted on 'The Cissy Site' at the time :rolleyes: ~

It was a truly beautiful moment. You had a hunch something special was about to happen because Jesse strapped on that pretty red guitar that he uses for 'There Is A Light..', then Morrissey and his band all crowded together in a loose huddle around Matt's drumkit, there was a bit of discussion, Matt looked at Moz with a 'Right?' look, Moz took a swig of water, then gave a firm nod; and off we bloody well went. Clearly there must have been some doubt as to whether they would play it.

Despite the clueless dolts about me in the balcony, I yelped with glee when I heard the opening line, as did many others down below who realised the momentousness of the...moment. Well actually they roared. I yelped. Each to their own, etc.

I was literally biting my knuckles whlist grinning, if that's physically possible, in the manner of a sweet-stuffed chubby child, for the entirety of the rendition.
The band nursed it gently, like an 'unpriapic fawn' being born into this world, and Morrissey was clearly nervous, which was incredibly charming. Mere minutes before he'd delivered 'Scandinavia' in a version that was so perfect in it's dark and twisted potency, so breathtaking in it's phrasing, control and precision, so pure in intent and intent on purity, that to see him switch to another skewed ode to the joys and misery of love, memory {and geography}, and address it so differently was...sublime. There was a devoted fragility to the performance that could have been debut nerves, or it could have been Moz channeling the emotion that first inspired the lyric. Who can say? Not even the man himself I'd wager. I prefer to pick the latter option.

He made some self-deprecating comments after it, over the wild yawps and screams, along the lines of 'You can't mean that' etc, etc. but that's just Morrissey. What does he know?

I hope he does it again. And I hope he doesn't. Weird.

To see him tightly closehis eyes, open his loving mouth and sing "and here is the very last plea from my heart, my heart / forevermore " is one of those heghtened memories I'll have forever...more

...we knew, we just knew...
:bow:

He played it the next night in Dublin, and on the final night of the tour at the London Palladium, when it was arguably even more sublime.

Oh, what a beautifully written review, so befitting one of his most lovely and heartfelt songs. :tears: How I wish I could have been there.
 
Off that list, I'm a big fan of:

America Is Not The World
Sweetie Pie


and, a decent-size fan of:

Margaret On The Guillotine
Christian Dior
Mexico

Surprised to see them listed so low. I also have always liked Sorrow Will Come In The End, but I can see why others might not.

As for Redondo Beach, it's a cover so it really shouldn't even be considered, but besides that, it's a damn fine song and I really like his rendition.

(If you want to make your voices be heard regarding some of Morrissey's better and underrated songs, you can vote for the best song in the Best Morrissey Song bracket I've created! ;))

all of those songs are crap... mexico is a good track but the studio version is crap.
 
"Ammunition," "Heir Apparent" and "Christian Dior" all ranked so poorly on Maurice's list? Morrissey is golden.
I've always been surprised that "Nobody Loves Us" isn't a mainstream classic; it's Sinatra-worthy. "I Know Very Well How I Got My Name" and "Lost" should be featured on every movie soundtrack, "Hold Onto Your Friends" is seldom discussed yet I think of it quite often in my day-to-day life, and "Come Back to Camden," though much appreciated by the fan base, is strangely overlooked by Morrissey himself. I dimly remember something about Morrissey finding it too personal to sing, but it would be a live highlight, no doubt about it.

Hey, it's not my list - it's the fans'!
As for Nobody Loves Us, it's consistently voted as a favourite. In the big poll that I took the list from, it's in the top 20 (of nearly 200 Morrissey songs).
The problem is that it was only a b-side. Had it been a single, it would be getting played on radio stations and at indie discos across the land to this day!
 
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MEBY is a fantastic compilation that goes under the radar... i'd put it up there with bona drag.

See, I hate that collection. Half the lyrics in the booklet were incomplete or wrong, and the flow of the songs was totally whack. There was also no rhyme or reason to it. Some previously released stuff, an album track or two, some rarities. Same problem I have with the even worse collection World of Morrissey. Great songs one by one, but as collections they failed.
 
Speaking of crummy comps (WOM being mentioned here), I really dislike WOM for the above reasons especially.

It's a hopelessly scrambled mess of single and live tracks, with some album tracks which seem completely unnecessary... For all I know, he just picked a list of the crap he was really into that week (or picked them out of a hat), which doesn't make for a particularly good compilation. The flow of that album is terrible.

On their own, they're mostly good/great songs and live recordings, but their compiling is indeed "whack".

I'd much prefer a collection of all-live tracks. Never (or at least rarely have) been fond of mixing live versions of studio recordings with other studio recordings though, unless they are grouped accordingly...




But I am off-topic.
 
Christian Dior.


Once, many years ago, I was playing this song while driving a friend home; a friend whose presence had for some time started to wear thin on me.

He started laughing, saying how ridiculous the lyrics were. I pulled over to the side of the road, we were about a mile and a half from his house.

"Listen man, I think you can walk the rest of the way. Take care."

True story.
 
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