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> Aw, no need to get defensive... I wasn't trying to attack you.
thats sad that you assume that a difference of opinion is being defensive¿ Now, you ignored my primary point - about capitalism and profit¿ and loss... and oppression and privileges... It's easy, I would¿ probably be better off if I ignored those factors and chalked it¿ up to laziness. But the kind of laziness you describe would lead¿ to depression and probably suicide... I mean, come on, what do¿ you think the actual size of the population you describe could¿ be? Maybe 100 people in the entire U.S.? I know for a fact that¿ the proportion of "welfare mothers" who have children¿ "just to stay on welfare" is very small ... (i've read¿ several studies... lol... can't quote exact stats for you,¿ sorry)
the fact is your trying to make it sound like it's 20 people doing.. it is alot bigger then you think... Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist..¿ You seem to assume that since you used to cheat people out of¿ their money on the streets that everyone else in need of some¿ assistance is doing the same. Well... you went through a¿ "phase," right? Could that not be the same for those¿ people? A transition? Sure it could... or maybe worse, like¿ systematic oppression or some other thing.
Yeah I guess I was the only one No it wasn't a "Phase" I could'nt do it because of my social responsiblity.. Many of the kids I grew up with are still doing and are no better off.. and the fact is I just moved to another state, another city and it's the same here.. just the faces have changed. I admited that there are some people that need assistance.. but for a long period of time..i mean how can you expect me to help someone who isn't willing to help themselves?? I use to work construction and my boss would offer these morons who stand on our off ramps begging for money jobs and they would make excuses on why they couldn't come to work.. and i don't mean it happend once. the point is more of our tax dollars go to supporting people who don't fully need.. that abuse the system and if you want to remain blind and give these people the benifit of the doubt then fine but I have been there .. I have trained hopped all over this country and been to almost every city.. it's not just in my little world or my cirlce of friends.. it's everywhere¿ In all things I try to avoid myopism... that is why people like¿ you (I can't quote you - but you said something about me being¿ one of those chumps giving change... and no, btw, I don't do¿ that but I do "support" several¿ homeless/poverty-stricken children on the little money I do have¿ because I am a "chump" call me politically correct¿ and all that. What a cop out. I just try to give people the¿ benefit of the doubt and a bit of understanding. Sorry if I¿ haven't done that for you as much as I could...
Yeah thats fine you do.. and if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy then I guess you can sleep easier.. thats fine.. the point is I can't afford to do that.. I hardly make enough to keep myself afloat.. much less people who don't even try and frankly I don't care anymore. I guess that makes me cold or whatever. so be it
> Aw, no need to get defensive... I wasn't trying to attack you.
thats sad that you assume that a difference of opinion is being defensive¿ Now, you ignored my primary point - about capitalism and profit¿ and loss... and oppression and privileges... It's easy, I would¿ probably be better off if I ignored those factors and chalked it¿ up to laziness. But the kind of laziness you describe would lead¿ to depression and probably suicide... I mean, come on, what do¿ you think the actual size of the population you describe could¿ be? Maybe 100 people in the entire U.S.? I know for a fact that¿ the proportion of "welfare mothers" who have children¿ "just to stay on welfare" is very small ... (i've read¿ several studies... lol... can't quote exact stats for you,¿ sorry)
the fact is your trying to make it sound like it's 20 people doing.. it is alot bigger then you think... Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist..¿ You seem to assume that since you used to cheat people out of¿ their money on the streets that everyone else in need of some¿ assistance is doing the same. Well... you went through a¿ "phase," right? Could that not be the same for those¿ people? A transition? Sure it could... or maybe worse, like¿ systematic oppression or some other thing.
Yeah I guess I was the only one No it wasn't a "Phase" I could'nt do it because of my social responsiblity.. Many of the kids I grew up with are still doing and are no better off.. and the fact is I just moved to another state, another city and it's the same here.. just the faces have changed. I admited that there are some people that need assistance.. but for a long period of time..i mean how can you expect me to help someone who isn't willing to help themselves?? I use to work construction and my boss would offer these morons who stand on our off ramps begging for money jobs and they would make excuses on why they couldn't come to work.. and i don't mean it happend once. the point is more of our tax dollars go to supporting people who don't fully need.. that abuse the system and if you want to remain blind and give these people the benifit of the doubt then fine but I have been there .. I have trained hopped all over this country and been to almost every city.. it's not just in my little world or my cirlce of friends.. it's everywhere¿ In all things I try to avoid myopism... that is why people like¿ you (I can't quote you - but you said something about me being¿ one of those chumps giving change... and no, btw, I don't do¿ that but I do "support" several¿ homeless/poverty-stricken children on the little money I do have¿ because I am a "chump" call me politically correct¿ and all that. What a cop out. I just try to give people the¿ benefit of the doubt and a bit of understanding. Sorry if I¿ haven't done that for you as much as I could...
Yeah thats fine you do.. and if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy then I guess you can sleep easier.. thats fine.. the point is I can't afford to do that.. I hardly make enough to keep myself afloat.. much less people who don't even try and frankly I don't care anymore. I guess that makes me cold or whatever. so be it