nobody loves U.S

Re: The right to work - the right to be exploited.

Now, now... let us not stoop to name calling and all that... let's start with U.S. economics 101 (Not directed at you, your heinie-ness, but to the person who posted before about "all those welfare mothers having babies just to get free money" - a totally ignorant assumption, btw)

This is a capitalist society - driven by profit. In a nut shell, there cannot be a profit unless somewhere there is a loss. That means, simplistically, that some people get screwed out of a job. Or money. There simply isn't enough "in the land of plenty" to go around. Not to mention all of the veiled oppression that goes on in this country just to keep certain people poor and the vast majority of the nation's wealth in the 1% fat, white, male hands that hold it (ah, a generality that only mostly holds true - but the statistic is sound). Okay, make sense? Not only that... but the priorities of where the money lies, it makes me sick. My brother, with 2 bachelor's degrees, is a high school band teacher. He makes less than half of what my friend (who has no degree) makes as a TESTER at Microsoft. Where are the priorities? Why should my brother bust his ass to teach children "of the future" to become happy, healthy, productive members of society on the jack sh!t he makes? "For the love of the children"
Ah... geez. While video game makers with no degrees double and triple what that poor boy makes. Priorities...

Ah, well. That's my soapbox. I hope it makes a bit more sense to you now (I think your name is NT) that sometimes people just can't find a job, or don't have the priorities/privileges/lack of oppressions/etc. that others do who have the earning power and wealth in this country and no desire to see it otherwise.

-Gothy
 
I fell out of bed twice.

Anarchy at a personal level means absolute individual freedom - the ability to act with full and concious will. Its not realistic for you, because you have no individuality or soul - if you did then you couldn't possibly allow you single opportunity of existence to be spent helping some faceless company sell more of its worthless consumerables.
I don't think we should fight capitalism, I think we should ignore it - the people of whom you say "where are they now" are amongst the elite - people who live life on the edge and risk everything so as to actually experience what it is to be alive - the reason you dont know where they are now is because you boss keeps you busy doing the same thing you did yesterday, and will be doing tommorrow.
And what is this dream your talking about? - The American one? - the one where you keep having to change the sheets?¿ And I thought Brits were more realistic!¿ What a bizarre and misguided statement.. Maybe your perception¿ of the "right wing" is askewed from under the murky,¿ sunless sky.. Thinking others should be responsible is not¿ synonymous with right wing thinking.. being wealthy and caring¿ about protecting your money, condemning gay people, and being¿ smug is to be "right wing" in America¿ I hope this is an example of your excellent British wit, or¿ maybe you are exercising bathos, as it seems you have descended¿ from the logical to the absurd. I used to know people like you¿ in high school.. they would preach about resisting entering the¿ work force as we will all become temp wage-slaves, and instead¿ we should fight capitalism, and become socialist. hmmm. Where¿ are they now? I don't think you want to know. Not living the¿ dream, I can tell you that.¿ Is that your plan? I always equated bolstering anarchism with¿ being brain dead.. kind of like a zombie! Hmm...
 
Re: The right to work - the right to be exploited.

Why should my brother bust his ass to¿ teach children "of the future" to become happy,¿ healthy, productive members of society on the jack sh!t he¿ makes? "For the love of the children"¿ Ah... geez. While video game makers with no degrees double and¿ triple what that poor boy makes. Priorities...

That is the difference between a *job* and a *profession.* Believe it or not, there is more to life than just having a 9 to 5 job and bringing home the cash. Teaching is one profession you have to do for love. There are rewards and there are obligations that transcend the ordinary job. Take it from one who has taught in varioous institutions of education for many years. I still feel a twing of excitment when each new class walks in that nothing else in the world will ever bring to my life.
Class is over. Read chapter 4 for tomorrow's discussion.
 
Vote labor

> Now, now... let us not stoop to name calling and all that...¿ let's start with U.S. economics 101 (Not directed at you, your¿ heinie-ness, but to the person who posted before about "all¿ those welfare mothers having babies just to get free money"¿ - a totally ignorant assumption, btw)

it's an ignorant assumption that it doesn't exist Look it happens they are called welfare cheats it is a fact that the more kids you have the more money you get and there are people that freely admit they have more kids to exploit more money from the system..I bet your the type of person who gives spare change out to all the squatter punks on anycorner,Usa and then go home and feel all snug and good since you did your part.. that fact is i use to be one of those kids and i lived that life .. i made more money looking dirty and feeding off people like you then I really did at work.. since I didn't have to pay taxes and I could hang out and have fun while doing it.. but the fact is i feel more pride and better about myslef knowing that i get an honest days pay for an honest day work¿ This is a capitalist society - driven by profit. In a nut shell,¿ there cannot be a profit unless somewhere there is a loss. That¿ means, simplistically, that some people get screwed out of a¿ job. Or money. There simply isn't enough "in the land of¿ plenty" to go around. Not to mention all of the veiled¿ oppression that goes on in this country just to keep certain¿ people poor and the vast majority of the nation's wealth in the¿ 1% fat, white, male hands that hold it (ah, a generality that¿ only mostly holds true - but the statistic is sound). Okay, make¿ sense? Not only that... but the priorities of where the money¿ lies, it makes me sick. My brother, with 2 bachelor's degrees,¿ is a high school band teacher. He makes less than half of what¿ my friend (who has no degree) makes as a TESTER at Microsoft.¿ Where are the priorities? Why should my brother bust his ass to¿ teach children "of the future" to become happy,¿ healthy, productive members of society on the jack sh!t he¿ makes? "For the love of the children"¿ Ah... geez. While video game makers with no degrees double and¿ triple what that poor boy makes. Priorities...
well then tell your brother to move to another field if he is unhappy.. and i doubt your friend that works at Microsoft doesn't have a degree.. he probally has a cert or something .. or he may have known someone to get him "in" I dropped out of High school and I to make more then most people do..also because of Computers.. and why..because I wanted to.. it's something I am good at and that is needed..noone taught me I did myself..why should i have busted my ass to get to where I am? because of my role in society.. I sure in the hell don't want to leave it to the role of Govt. to make my life better.. i could have stayed unemployed and gotten on welfare but the fact is how could I have respect for myself? But since your so hyped up on the distrubution of wealth and support how about I go out and knock up some girl and then you can send me some money each month to help support it?¿ Ah, well. That's my soapbox. I hope it makes a bit more sense to¿ you now (I think your name is NT) that sometimes people just¿ can't find a job, or don't have the priorities/privileges/lack¿ of oppressions/etc. that others do who have the earning power¿ and wealth in this country and no desire to see it otherwise.

Look I have had problems finding a job but thats because I wouldnt go to the local Taco Bell and put in an application but the fact is next time your out look at how many places are hiring..flip through your local paper..it's not that hard to go to the dept of economic security and fill out paper work..it's free and there are employment agencies everywhere.. that also do not charge to find them work.. and no they do not charge you either.. they charge the company.. I worked at intel that way and still made 20.00 and hour.. as I said there are people who need it.. but more then a year without any employment?? come on now.
 
1st you have to have a brain then we will talk about washing it

> You've been socially conditioned by your government - I really¿ did think that people who visited this site were more radical¿ than that - you've been brainwashed into a right wing point of¿ view. So what if someone else doesn't work, and chooses to live¿ off benefit money?

if they aren't willing to work for what they get then why should I freely give them money for my family or my friends or myself.. I guess that makes me right winged because I am responsible and yet somehow I have been brainwashed to be right winged by a liberial media? ..As for the record i am neither on the left nor the right.¿Why should someone have to spend 8 hours a¿ day doing some mindless, monotonous, soul destroying, inhuman,¿ repetitve task. My philosophy is that work=slavery - its the¿ opposite of being alive.

Because someone has to ..even in a total utopian state there is going to have to be someone who has to work there is always going to be people who have more.. I have learned that most people who say they are "anarchist" are just lazy. there is always going to be a class system.. there has never been a time when there wasn't even in tribes there has alway been a social structure.. and this is my cop out..It's human nature Do you know how to farm? to sew ..do you make your own clothes..grow your own food.. then yuo are just as guilty as exploiting.. but let me guess It's to hard.. I bet you still live at home..but it is easy to say you don't over the internet.. nor do I care.. See Communism and anarchism looks good on paper but when you introduce humans into the equation well then down the pipes it goes.. Even when you take it to the bartering system.. are you going to want to trade..lets say a wheat that takes a season to grow plus your sweat and labor to harvest for a basket of eggs? Or this why would someone want to work and become a Dr. when they can make just as much being a street sweeper.. yeah you can force it upon people to become these things.. then you lose your freedom of choice.. But if you take away the the desire and yes I guess the greed,competition and the need to improve then you have nothing but stagnation..And then waht are you going to expect Govt. to "motivate" people?¿ Is it possible to be an anarchist in America? - they don't¿ provide you with enough room to trancend the system. Your all¿ born zombiefied.¿ I bet you smoke a pipe and have a nice neat lawn too. Do you¿ call your Dad Sir?

It can be done here.. My step-father for 20 years lived in Alaska. built his own house with the lumber he cut.. grew and caught his own food..and yes even made his own clothes. he would trade in town for the stuff he couldn't get or go without.. It can be done there are people who do it but it is a hard life to live
 
Labour actually - ( also colour )

Are you some sort of secret agent for the Republican Party or something? Have you got a picture of Nancy Reagan on your wall? Do you even know who Morrissey is? I'm sure he'd be really chuffed to discover that people of your political persuasion had infultrated a web site dedicated to him? Did you think that "Margaret on the Guilloteen" was a song about "Thatcher talking about her ideas for the reintroduction of the guilloteen".¿ it's an ignorant assumption that it doesn't exist Look it¿ happens they are called welfare cheats it is a fact that the¿ more kids you have the more money you get and there are people¿ that freely admit they have more kids to exploit more money from¿ the system..I bet your the type of person who gives spare change¿ out to all the squatter punks on anycorner,Usa and then go home¿ and feel all snug and good since you did your part.. that fact¿ is i use to be one of those kids and i lived that life .. i made¿ more money looking dirty and feeding off people like you then I¿ really did at work.. since I didn't have to pay taxes and I¿ could hang out and have fun while doing it.. but the fact is i¿ feel more pride and better about myslef knowing that i get an¿ honest days pay for an honest day work¿ well then tell your brother to move to another field if he is¿ unhappy.. and i doubt your friend that works at Microsoft¿ doesn't have a degree.. he probally has a cert or something ..¿ or he may have known someone to get him "in" I dropped¿ out of High school and I to make more then most people do..also¿ because of Computers.. and why..because I wanted to.. it's¿ something I am good at and that is needed..noone taught me I did¿ myself..why should i have busted my ass to get to where I am?¿ because of my role in society.. I sure in the hell don't want to¿ leave it to the role of Govt. to make my life better.. i could¿ have stayed unemployed and gotten on welfare but the fact is how¿ could I have respect for myself? But since your so hyped up on¿ the distrubution of wealth and support how about I go out and¿ knock up some girl and then you can send me some money each¿ month to help support it?¿ Look I have had problems finding a job but thats because I¿ wouldnt go to the local Taco Bell and put in an application but¿ the fact is next time your out look at how many places are¿ hiring..flip through your local paper..it's not that hard to go¿ to the dept of economic security and fill out paper work..it's¿ free and there are employment agencies everywhere.. that also do¿ not charge to find them work.. and no they do not charge you¿ either.. they charge the company.. I worked at intel that way¿ and still made 20.00 and hour.. as I said there are people who¿ need it.. but more then a year without any employment?? come on¿ now.
 
> Que diriez-vous de de parler au sujet de la culture avec moi?

je dirais que c'était une grande idée.¿ Que pensez-vous à Cezanne - père d'art moderne?

je pense qu'il est un grand peintre - mais franchement le seul peintre contemporain qui touche mon âme s'appelle edward hopper.
 
Sheep Farming in the Falklands

> Are you some sort of secret agent for the Republican Party or¿ something? Have you got a picture of Nancy Reagan on your wall?¿ Do you even know who Morrissey is? I'm sure he'd be really¿ chuffed to discover that people of your political persuasion had¿ infultrated a web site dedicated to him? Did you think that¿ "Margaret on the Guilloteen" was a song about¿ "Thatcher talking about her ideas for the reintroduction of¿ the guilloteen".

yeah you found me out.. next to my reagans is my picture of Alex P keaton ..and morrissey oh my mistake I thought it was morrison. I am not a republican.. I vote a split ticket in elections and thats my right cause of this great country we live in.
 
Bangers and Mash

> yeah you found me out.. next to my reagans is my picture of Alex¿ P keaton ..and morrissey oh my mistake I thought it was¿ morrison. I am not a republican.. I vote a split ticket in¿ elections and thats my right cause of this great country we live¿ in.

Oh, this is a Morrissey site? I thought it was Jimmy Buffet
 
Sheep Shagging in the Falklands

We don't have a split ticket - for the Queen is God's only true representative on earth.¿ yeah you found me out.. next to my reagans is my picture of Alex¿ P keaton ..and morrissey oh my mistake I thought it was¿ morrison. I am not a republican.. I vote a split ticket in¿ elections and thats my right cause of this great country we live¿ in.
 
Re: Somebody does love the U.S

> was this Alexandea + 2 girls + 1 dorky singer guy dropping some¿ Smiths lines like, "15 minutes w/ you I wouldn't say¿ no"?

Um, no.

Sorry to disappoint, but none of my friends own Smiths records. If I were to hold out for that possibility of having friends with the same musical taste, I would indeed be pretty friendless.

This girl was just one of the many nameless goth chicks that come strolling across the Springer stage. I personally have never met her since she lives in another state and my friend met her by internet, but imagine his shock when he was screening the episode to see if it was airable on tv and seeing this girl on there.


If I updated this page, it still wouldn't be anything that interesting
 
I'm Henry the VIII I am

I hate that you are jealous that some low brow cashier at a McDonald's has a way better chance than you do because they happen to be American, but let's be reasonable, ok?

According to evolution theorist, if you dig up someone who lived 100,000 years ago and planted them in today's society, they would function just like anyone else. Most Americans are descended from people who left their native countries less than 200 years ago. As you can see, 200 years is much less than 100,000, and I seriously doubt the Europeans, with their supposedly low body fat, pasty white skin, love for Billie, need for chasing hapless celebrities until their car crashes, watching a TV full of sports quiz shows, and bad cooking, have learned how to tense up in a little ball and metamorphisize themselves into superior beings.

When I was in Europe, I didn't notice people walking around with antennaes out of their head, or if they were missing their pinky toes, or even found a better way for styling their hair against the high humidity. Matter of fact, I didn't even stick out like a sore thumb. Until I opened my mouth, people actually thought I was from Eastern Europe. So, who knows? I might be over there one day and you might strike up a conversation only to find yourself embarassed thinking you were talking to one of your equals!


If I updated this page, it still wouldn't be anything that interesting
 
Ha! This is what you are puffing yourself up about?

When I said you keep a Shakespeare reader by your desk, I meant that all you can do is plagarize and take on loan and not that you do a good job of knocking off Shakespeare. Anyone can throw a few thou's and thee's into their work and still not have it's emotional or intellectual level raised by even one step.

As for Shakespeare himself, I was more moved by "Shakespeare in Love" than any of his writings on their own. Sorry if I shocked the academics by admitting such.

And wouldn't it be funny if there were some long lost descendents of his who went directly to America? Just because you can occasionally produce some smart people didn't mean that they stayed.


If I updated this page, it still wouldn't be anything that interesting
 
Re: Welcome to McSocialism would you like some fries with your revolution

> The fact is I use to believe all that socialist crap about¿ distrubition of wealth and what not.. Untill 1 day I was¿ standing in line buying Ramen and cheap ass soda where as the¿ person in front of me was buying steaks,hamburgers,beer and all¿ this nice stuff and paying for it with food stamps and then

ew, meat is murder. and yet my taxes go towards animal slaughter.¿ taking it out to they're 96 ford explorer(this was in 1996) and¿ I had a car that hardly ran.. a 79 at that.. I need major dental¿ work done right now.. and if i lived in canada it would be¿ fixed.. but all well thats the nature of the beast I enjoy other¿ things that Canada does not have. We don't need more Govt.¿ control we need more people taking responsibilty for thier¿ actions.. Yeah there are people who need help in thier time of¿ need but unfortunatly there are more people who abuse it and¿ like I said if it takes you more then a year to find employment¿ then there's something wrong with the person.

Why don't you fire your boss? He/she/it/they are the ones ripping you off. If you work you should share the wealth. Think about it.
 
Re: I fell out of bed twice.

if everyone who visited this board worked at the same company they could fire the boss if they all wanted to. hmmm. food for thought. 1,000 people work where I work, but 20,000 for this corporation. They are all trying to climb the corporate ladder and they refuse to believe there is a prob. with capitalism. one hag told me I should get out of the country. ooh, good response! I haven't heard that one before!¿ Anarchy at a personal level means absolute individual freedom -¿ the ability to act with full and concious will. Its not¿ realistic for you, because you have no individuality or soul -¿ if you did then you couldn't possibly allow you single¿ opportunity of existence to be spent helping some faceless¿ company sell more of its worthless consumerables.¿ I don't think we should fight capitalism, I think we should¿ ignore it - the people of whom you say "where are they¿ now" are amongst the elite - people who live life on the¿ edge and risk everything so as to actually experience what it is¿ to be alive - the reason you dont know where they are now is¿ because you boss keeps you busy doing the same thing you did¿ yesterday, and will be doing tommorrow.¿ And what is this dream your talking about? - The American one? -¿ the one where you keep having to change the sheets?
 
Re: Somebody does love the U.S

> Um, no.¿ Sorry to disappoint, but none of my friends own Smiths records.¿ If I were to hold out for that possibility of having friends¿ with the same musical taste, I would indeed be pretty¿ friendless.

I'd rather be friendless than befriend people with no taste.¿ This girl was just one of the many nameless goth chicks that¿ come strolling across the Springer stage. I personally have¿ never met her since she lives in another state and my friend met¿ her by internet, but imagine his shock when he was screening the¿ episode to see if it was airable on tv and seeing this girl on¿ there.

I once saw a girl I used to work with on the Montel Williams show and the saddest part was that I knew her story was true.
 
laborious

Aw, no need to get defensive... I wasn't trying to attack you.

Now, you ignored my primary point - about capitalism and profit and loss... and oppression and privileges... It's easy, I would probably be better off if I ignored those factors and chalked it up to laziness. But the kind of laziness you describe would lead to depression and probably suicide... I mean, come on, what do you think the actual size of the population you describe could be? Maybe 100 people in the entire U.S.? I know for a fact that the proportion of "welfare mothers" who have children "just to stay on welfare" is very small ... (i've read several studies... lol... can't quote exact stats for you, sorry)

You seem to assume that since you used to cheat people out of their money on the streets that everyone else in need of some assistance is doing the same. Well... you went through a "phase," right? Could that not be the same for those people? A transition? Sure it could... or maybe worse, like systematic oppression or some other thing.

In all things I try to avoid myopism... that is why people like you (I can't quote you - but you said something about me being one of those chumps giving change... and no, btw, I don't do that but I do "support" several homeless/poverty-stricken children on the little money I do have because I am a "chump" :) call me politically correct and all that. What a cop out. I just try to give people the benefit of the doubt and a bit of understanding. Sorry if I haven't done that for you as much as I could... :)

Ciao.
 
Fishing for trouts on a perculiar river

Actually it's a poem by John Donne, calle "The Sun rising" - probably on of the greatest poets whoever lived. I have to say that I'm really honoured that you think I did it.¿ When I said you keep a Shakespeare reader by your desk, I meant¿ that all you can do is plagarize and take on loan and not that¿ you do a good job of knocking off Shakespeare. Anyone can throw¿ a few thou's and thee's into their work and still not have it's¿ emotional or intellectual level raised by even one step.¿ As for Shakespeare himself, I was more moved by¿ "Shakespeare in Love" than any of his writings on¿ their own. Sorry if I shocked the academics by admitting such.¿ And wouldn't it be funny if there were some long lost¿ descendents of his who went directly to America? Just because¿ you can occasionally produce some smart people didn't mean that¿ they stayed.
 
I know where is an hind

If you dug someone up who died 100,000 years ago I doubt that they would be able to function at all, - for they would be dead. Its interesting how you say "according to evolutionary theorist" - it suggests that you don't believe in such theories yourself ( for European readers - most Americans think that the world was created as it is written in the Bible ie about 5000 years ago )
The issue isn't biological anyway - its a cultural one.
And the reason that Europeans prentended that they thought you were east-European is because they were trying to be kind. What would you have thought if they had said "You're an American aren't you" - you would have had too keep looking in the mirror to see if the stiches still showed from all that plastic surgery. Anyway, your red hair would tell everyone that you ancesters were probably Celtic (hardly East-european).
And if we do strike up a conversation one day, I suggest we leave Shakespeare out of it. ( If you want to be moved by Shakespeare try reading some - and since you are Celtic, I recommend the Welsh lines in Henry iv part1 ).

ps - I liked your voice.¿ I hate that you are jealous that some low brow cashier at a¿ McDonald's has a way better chance than you do because they¿ happen to be American, but let's be reasonable, ok?¿ According to evolution theorist, if you dig up someone who lived¿ 100,000 years ago and planted them in today's society, they¿ would function just like anyone else. Most Americans are¿ descended from people who left their native countries less than¿ 200 years ago. As you can see, 200 years is much less than¿ 100,000, and I seriously doubt the Europeans, with their¿ supposedly low body fat, pasty white skin, love for Billie, need¿ for chasing hapless celebrities until their car crashes,¿ watching a TV full of sports quiz shows, and bad cooking, have¿ learned how to tense up in a little ball and metamorphisize¿ themselves into superior beings.¿ When I was in Europe, I didn't notice people walking around with¿ antennaes out of their head, or if they were missing their pinky¿ toes, or even found a better way for styling their hair against¿ the high humidity. Matter of fact, I didn't even stick out like¿ a sore thumb. Until I opened my mouth, people actually thought I¿ was from Eastern Europe. So, who knows? I might be over there¿ one day and you might strike up a conversation only to find¿ yourself embarassed thinking you were talking to one of your¿ equals!




at my birth the frame and huge foundation of the earth shaked like a coward.
 
Oui, Hopper est bon - un Vermeer au néon - mais Pollock est le grand artiste américain de ce siècle cependant.
Je sais que tout que j'ai dit ici semble comme je suis anti-American, mais je ne suis pas vraiment. J'aime juste un bon arguement¿ je dirais que c'était une grande idée.¿ je pense qu'il est un grand peintre - mais franchement le seul¿ peintre contemporain qui touche mon âme s'appelle edward hopper.
 
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