the poor quality of maladjusted & southpaw

[franck]

these 2 lps are undignified from moz'talent:these songs are so feeble written for the most part of it without passion or any guts (except for teachers).It was as if moz didn't control the production of his work anymore & left to his mates (boorer & co) the helm of the ship & a ship without a captain loses his way.
If you're not agree with me , just compare alma or roys to old b-sides like YOU've had her or I'd love to: in 92 or 94, moz would have not even put alma or roys on b sides cause they are so poor.
I sure that I gonna received a lot agressive messages but I also sure that a lot of people are agree with me. Be objective

[fabricio]

> these 2 lps are undignified from moz'talent:these songs are so¿ feeble written for the most part of it without passion or any¿ guts (except for teachers).It was as if moz didn't control the¿ production of his work anymore & left to his mates (boorer¿ & co) the helm of the ship & a ship without a captain¿ loses his way.¿ If you're not agree with me , just compare alma or roys to old¿ b-sides like YOU've had her or I'd love to: in 92 or 94, moz¿ would have not even put alma or roys on b sides cause they are¿ so poor.¿ I sure that I gonna received a lot agressive messages but I also¿ sure that a lot of people are agree with me. Be objective

southpaw have other great songs: reader meet author, do your best and don`t worry, best friend on the payroll, the operation, southpaw.

i like very much great part of maladjusted (maladjusted, alma matters, satan..., sorrow..., ammunition, trouble...)

and the maladjusted b-sides are among better songs morrissey ever made (lost is the best song ever).

too much objective perhaps...

[Stefan Johnsson]

"Southpaw Grammar" and "Maladjusted" may not be as easily loved as "Your Arsenal", "Vauxhall and I" or "Viva Hate", but if you read the lyrics you will find great lines such as these:

"Books don't save them, books aren't
Stanley knifes"

"And the year 2000 won't change anyone here"

"He thinks he got the whole world in his hands
stood at the urinal"

"Ready with ready-wit"

"People where
I come from they survive without feelings or blood
I never could
was stoned to death
but I'm still living"

"So if I see you
And I tell you
I've watched you
Don't make fun of me later
Cause I'm just lost"

"And I don't
get along with myself
and i'm not too keen
on anyone else"




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[sam shuster]

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[irksome-ivan]

First off, is the bad grammar done on purpose? I surely hope so.

Now, let me say this: I like the hard edged music on "Southpaw Grammar." It sounds so raw and unrestrained. "Boy Racer" probably exhibits some of the more shoddy lyrics of the Morrissey catalouge, but I love the music.......it's dirty and gritty, so I love the song. I like to listen to "SG" and be utterly aggressive......It's enjoyable. Granted, I would probably remove the half-hour drum solo from the beginning of "The Operation".......yet, once the song(or should I say the rest of the band) kicks in, it's nothing but utter pleasure for me. Basically, I think "SG" is just a fun album.

"Maladjusted," in my opinion is a solid album, but I feel that it is overproduced. It sounds too overly-polyester-like. Lillywhite's work on "Vauxhall and I" is splendid, but I will have to offer a bit of criticism here. However, there are still some standout moments. Especially, "Trouble Loves Me"........outstanding tune. Also, I quite fancy the lyrics on "Roy's Keen"......they seem quirky and clever. "Satan...." well, another tremendously fun selection.......'tis another one of those drive with all the windows down and point at on-coming traffic songs.

Yes, I will admit, neither of these two are as solid as early Morrissey, but "that's just the way it goes." Stop complaining......at least Morrissey hasn't yet went disco, like U2.
The truth may be that his best years are behind him. If that is true then listen to the Morrissey of old and savor the good-old-days. Case closed.

[Wild ea Wake]

> "Southpaw Grammar" and "Maladjusted" may not¿ be as easily loved as "Your Arsenal", "Vauxhall¿ and I" or "Viva Hate", but if you read the lyrics¿ you will find great lines such as these:¿ "Books don't save them, books aren't¿ Stanley knifes"
It took me a long time to work out the wording for that!¿ "And the year 2000 won't change anyone here"
Moz IS on top of the Y2K situation¿ "He thinks he got the whole world in his hands¿ stood at the urinal"
At a local school, TIIC put posters in the restroom areas to remind the kids to wash their hands that said "You've got the whole world in your hands, wash them!"¿ "Ready with ready-wit"
Let's hope he has some of that 'wit' honed for the next album.¿ "People where¿ I come from they survive without feelings or blood¿ I never could¿ was stoned to death¿ but I'm still living"
That seems to tell us why he came to the US to live.¿ "So if I see you¿ And I tell you¿ I've watched you¿ Don't make fun of me later¿ Cause I'm just lost"
Maybe Moz's fans aren't the only stalkers. I've always felt that Morissey was the outsider observing life, instead of participating..¿ "And I don't¿ get along with myself¿ and i'm not too keen¿ on anyone else"
I don't doubt that about Morrissey at all!

[Suzanne]

> It took me a long time to work out the wording for that!¿ Moz IS on top of the Y2K situation

Being the computer programmer he is, I'm sure he is very adept at solving the world's biggest, erm, bug.¿ At a local school, TIIC put posters in the restroom areas to¿ remind the kids to wash their hands that said "You've got¿ the whole world in your hands, wash them!"

"drown all the little people who live there!"¿ Let's hope he has some of that 'wit' honed for the next album.¿ That seems to tell us why he came to the US to live.

I thought he was becoming turned off at the sight of seeing yet another pasty face Brit who refers to the sun as "a sign of the armageddon"¿ Maybe Moz's fans aren't the only stalkers. I've always felt that¿ Morissey was the outsider observing life, instead of¿ participating..

He is a good fly on the wall. You never know he's there until he bites you and starts sucking your blood....or he lands on your muffin.

No...I'm going into a weird area becuase I just saw that Stan Kubrick film and it's messed up my thinking process for a bit.¿ I don't doubt that about Morrissey at all!

It's the oddest thing about love songs. I can't help but think of all those people who run out and buy a Celine Dion record because it is "our" song. "Our" song of eternal love and devotion. Then next year, they are out shopping with someone else for the latest Ricki Martin record for the same purpose.

Depression is a friend for life. That's probably why he was as successful as he was. People don't want to hear the love song they had for their ex, or anything by that artist that would remind them of that song. They want good old Mogsie to sing while they pile up in the bed unhappy over how the week has turned out and feel just a bit of a ray of happiness that he is always there. Of course, most of these outsiders don't have the fortune of being as charming and good looking as he is, but it's how we like to see ourselves. We are the greatest people and yet, nobody gives us a second look.

I think if Morrissey was a toad, he wouldn't have achieved half of what he did as far as getting fans. You can have the greatest music in the world, yet if you don't have any sort of appeal to give everyone a reason to listen, the cause is lost, isn't it? We've all seen many great movies where we are not moved to see again, only to turn around and have the entire Arnold Schwartzenegger collection (including Jingle All the Way) because what he represents to us means much more than, um, profundity. It's happiness in seeing him hash it out again versus challenging us, and as you know, people tend to get very bitter when their perpetually bachelor friend suddenly finds himself in love. Their fun night out on the town has been lost, and suddenly, they've changed. People intentionally start forgetting to include him out of resentment, or until he becomes single again. But who knows? I'm definitely not the one to solve the problems of the dynamics of love or understanding, but watching so many people in action, you understand how their entire universe changes. There is nothing left untouched, even though someone like Morrissey likes to imagine nothing has. It spreads to the very core of many people's lives eating away the roughness and filling them up with new thoughts and ways of acting. There is always some good part you can't help but walk away with no matter how bad things turn out to be.

And if people think his new stuff is hollow, they are used to hearing it filled with sadness and therefore, it is empty in their mind.

[Stefan Johnsson]

> I think if Morrissey was a toad, he wouldn't have achieved half¿ of what he did as far as getting fans.

Yes, but dose the quantity of Morrissey's fans really matter?
Quantity is not the same as quality.¿ You can have the greatest music in the world, yet if you don't have > any sort of appeal to give everyone a reason to listen,¿ the cause is lost, isn't it?

No, I don't think so. When I first heard The Smiths I had no idea
what they looked like so I did not know if they had any appeal.
If the music is good there will always be people that will find it
no matter how little appeal the artist have.¿ And if people think his new stuff is hollow, they are used to¿ hearing it filled with sadness and therefore, it is empty in¿ their mind.

No, that can't be right, because there is so much more in
Morrissey's lyrics than sadness. There is also anger, hate and
humor in them. No matter how you feel there is a Morrissey
quote or song that will fit that feeling.


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[Miharu]

Yes, Moz songs are all the best thing of reflection of his soul. To me there's nothing left out. It will change with people's growth. It's clearly see. Moz always writes nice song all the time. I still don't know why I love his music. Because his personality is nice of course. Just trust him. Can you see the light?

[franck]

I agree with you about 2 b-sides from 1997 that are worthwhile:it's
THE EDGES ARE NO LONGER ...&THIS IS NOT YOUR COUNTRY.

anyway, these 2 songs are far better from all the stuff of maladjusted
but again for obscure reasons,they couldn't be on the lp cause they were produced by boorer & not by lillywhite.

[franck]

no you can't judge about the quality of the lp only because it contains some good lyrics .
the music is shallow & uninspired where as in vauxhall or your arsenal, each time you listen the record, each time you can discover new arrangments behind the main tune-amazing things that are hidden in the background.
it's not the case at all on the last 2 lps.

[franck]

it's very sad that you're unable to make difference between great songs with good tunes& just fairly good songs.....:
I refuse to compare songs uninspired tracks like DAGAMHAM to great things like I KNOW THIS GONNA HAPPEN ...

[franck]

don't you think there is such a big gap on a quality level between MALADJUSTED or SOUTHPAW and (to take only 1 instance) old b-sides like I'D LOVE TO or YOU'VE HAD HER.

I'm not discussing about the lyrics but about the quality of the tunes.
stop comparings things that are not comparable!!!

[rob]

>>"Books don't save them, books aren't¿> Stanley knifes"¿It took me a long time to work out the wording for that!

Actually, if I'm correct, according to what is written in MEBY's CD sleeve, it's "Standing Eyes" not "Stanley Knives." I never would have figured that out either, but I guess if you listen carefully to bootlegs like "Practicing Troublemaker," the "standing eyes" phrase is more easily distinguishable.




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[Stefan Johnsson]

> Actually, if I'm correct, according to what is written in MEBY's¿ CD sleeve, it's "Standing Eyes" not "Stanley¿ Knives." I never would have figured that out either, but I¿ guess if you listen carefully to bootlegs like "Practicing¿ Troublemaker," the "standing eyes" phrase is more¿ easily distinguishable.

Well, in my copy of MEBY the lyric is "Stanley knifes". I would suggest that you check yours again.


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[Belligerentghoul]

You have some problems with speaking, writing, and forming cohesive sentences. Sir, I would seek professional help........

[Suzanne]

> Yes, but dose the quantity of Morrissey's fans really matter?¿ Quantity is not the same as quality.

Yes. We can have about 10 people in the auditorium and his whole record output will be nothing but 4 track recordings he burned on his CD rom that he shyly asks people to buy before getting off stage.¿ No, I don't think so. When I first heard The Smiths I had no¿ idea¿ what they looked like so I did not know if they had any appeal.¿ If the music is good there will always be people that will find¿ it¿ no matter how little appeal the artist have.

Yet, you can hear what is being said. There are some people who buy albums for quality purposes, but it wasn't until people started showing up in NHS specs and waving flowers around that things really took off.

Think of it. If you are in a club, and this unknown band crawls up on stage without the aid of anything that is being played on the radio, or being written in the press, or any word of mouth from your friends, how likely is it that you are going to pay much attention to them? It's not very likely that the vast majority of people are going to stop the conversations they are having to try and grasp the subtleties of the music. Few people are going to actually strain themselves to hear what the lyrics sound like. But, if you take that same band and made something about them that was out of the ordinary such as their dress or stage manner, people will sit up and take notice.¿ No, that can't be right, because there is so much more in¿ Morrissey's lyrics than sadness. There is also anger, hate and¿ humor in them. No matter how you feel there is a Morrissey¿ quote or song that will fit that feeling.

And tell that to some of the people here who do nothing but listen to Morrissey for that very reason. We all know what he's known for. I'm just saying that's why a lot of people here hold him very dear to them. You actually made my point a little too one dimensional than what I was aiming for. people feel angry or depressed about something and they go for the Smiths collection. I don't see many people here talking at great lengths about making a tape of nothing but funny Morrissey songs and listening to that all day. They usually make a down in the dumps tape.

[rob]

> Well, in my copy of MEBY the lyric is "Stanley¿ knifes". I would suggest that you check yours again.

Yeah! you are right. I don't know where I got "standing eyes" from?? I think that came from a joke my friend was playing on me. Oops! Sorry...

(Always learn something new... I'll get you back...)


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[Stefan Johnsson]

> Yes. We can have about 10 people in the auditorium and his whole¿ record output will be nothing but 4 track recordings he burned¿ on his CD rom that he shyly asks people to buy before getting¿ off stage.

OK, that would matter to Morrissey, because he would have to get
a second job and I don't think he would like that, but it wouldn't
matter to me, accept for the fact that his music would only be
available on CD. The quality of the lyrics would not change and that
is what really matters to me.¿ Yet, you can hear what is being said. There are some people who¿ buy albums for quality purposes, but it wasn't until people¿ started showing up in NHS specs and waving flowers around that¿ things really took off.

Yes, but the quality of the music didn't change.¿ Think of it. If you are in a club, and this unknown band crawls¿ up on stage without the aid of anything that is being played on¿ the radio, or being written in the press, or any word of mouth¿ from your friends, how likely is it that you are going to pay¿ much attention to them? It's not very likely that the vast¿ majority of people are going to stop the conversations they are¿ having to try and grasp the subtleties of the music. Few people¿ are going to actually strain themselves to hear what the lyrics¿ sound like. But, if you take that same band and made something¿ about them that was out of the ordinary such as their dress or¿ stage manner, people will sit up and take notice.

I don't listen to the radio and I would never ever trust a journalist.
I do however listen to my friends and if they say a band is really
good I will check that band out. What dose that have to do with the
visual appeal of a band? If my one of my friends would say: "I just
saw this band and they looked so good that you just have to check them
out". Well, then I would be very suspicious of that band, and that
friend, in the future.¿ And tell that to some of the people here who do nothing but¿ listen to Morrissey for that very reason. We all know what he's¿ known for. I'm just saying that's why a lot of people here hold¿ him very dear to them. You actually made my point a little too¿ one dimensional than what I was aiming for. people feel angry or¿ depressed about something and they go for the Smiths collection.¿ I don't see many people here talking at great lengths about¿ making a tape of nothing but funny Morrissey songs and listening¿ to that all day. They usually make a down in the dumps tape.

That is a shame because there is no one funnier then Morrissey.


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[franck]

my dear
I'm writing from france & english is not my first language!!

anyway, a lot of people understand me on this website so why not you.

be tolerant with my poor english & stop being unkind..