Morrissey solo journal thingie (mainly suzannes)

[drunken demands]

> let me get my magic wand...
> *poof!*
> i'm normal!

I need one of those too for various reasons.

> fuck 'em. unless they are some freak who would potentially fly out to my
> house and shoot me, i don't care anymore.

I don't care either but it's somewhat entertaining on a boring night at home.
She was basically saying that a lot of the newer members were less cultured
and couldn't put two sentences together properly. Everyone took it quite seriously. I felt rather sorry for them.

> i think i vaguely remember reading it. but as with here, i probably only
> read 1/2 of what is written.

I probably read less. Like I said I have a hard time relating to the posts on there. I certainly am not trying to sound snobby about it, I want to relate, but it just isn't happening for me. It's the age thing I guess.

I keep thinking about the Rufus concert I'm going to next month. I'm going with a friend who doesn't know anything about Rufus and I keep having this reoccuring image of a thousand 14 year olds girls trampling us to the ground
and my friend looking at me confused and helpless.

> that supposedly happened with Jewel's first album. I think they finally
> made a video and it started selling afterwards.
> but it did sell...eventually.

Yeah? I didn't know it took that long. Now she's everywhere.

> i heard he was also in the movie 28 Days (the sandra bullock movie) and
> unless it was showing on TV for free, i'm sure as hell not going to pick
> it up. nothing against him, but more of being subjected to Sandra.

I downloaded a song he did for the 28 days soundtrack. It's nice. I really like his song "People in Love" Have you heard it?

> as i'm not even allowed to sing any solos, i suppose i'll have to rush the
> alter and knock the monsignor off. he's old. he probably won't put up much
> of a fight.

It sounds like a good idea. Let me know what happens.

> how did you know about it? are you a fan of Conan's? i didn't know that
> they released that stuff so far out in advance....

I am a fan of Conan's actually but that's not how I found out. I read it on the yahoo message board "Loudon".

[suzanne]

> I need one of those too for various reasons.

> I don't care either but it's somewhat entertaining on a boring night at
> home.
> She was basically saying that a lot of the newer members were less
> cultured
> and couldn't put two sentences together properly. Everyone took it quite
> seriously. I felt rather sorry for them.

oh whatever. "i saw him first and so that makes me better than you!"

> I probably read less. Like I said I have a hard time relating to the posts
> on there. I certainly am not trying to sound snobby about it, I want to
> relate, but it just isn't happening for me. It's the age thing I guess.

i find some of them an OK diversion. sort of a "what is your favorite color" sort of thing. highly entertaining if you are achingly bored as i am.

> I keep thinking about the Rufus concert I'm going to next month. I'm going
> with a friend who doesn't know anything about Rufus and I keep having this
> reoccuring image of a thousand 14 year olds girls trampling us to the
> ground
> and my friend looking at me confused and helpless.

and it's so WEIRD because i never suspected he would cultivate an audience in that age group.

> Yeah? I didn't know it took that long. Now she's everywhere.

i thought she had gone away. then, this new album comes out and people seem to be buying it.

> I downloaded a song he did for the 28 days soundtrack. It's nice. I really
> like his song "People in Love" Have you heard it?

nope, i haven't heard most of his stuff. just a couple of albums. i own only one of them.

which, i not only found out his show in town was a different night than i suspected, but it conflicts with that seminar on music theater i was wanting to take.

> It sounds like a good idea. Let me know what happens.

> I am a fan of Conan's actually but that's not how I found out. I read it
> on the yahoo message board "Loudon".

ah. don't keep up with it.

[drunken demands]

> oh whatever. "i saw him first and so that makes me better than
> you!"

No it was more like "we used to talk about worldy intelligent things like madame butterfly and hawksley workman. We used to have refined intelligent people on here!"

> i find some of them an OK diversion. sort of a "what is your favorite
> color" sort of thing. highly entertaining if you are achingly bored
> as i am.

Hey that's why I go there. I read them, I just don't post. I did sign up the other day though.

> and it's so WEIRD because i never suspected he would cultivate an audience
> in that age group.

I thought the same thing. What with the classical jazzy type thing.
I don't know it surprises me a bit. Maybe it's his looks, I don't know.

> i thought she had gone away. then, this new album comes out and people
> seem to be buying it.

I see her everywhere it seems. I'm not a fan.

[suzanne]

> No it was more like "we used to talk about worldy intelligent things
> like madame butterfly and hawksley workman. We used to have refined
> intelligent people on here!"

ah yes, now i remember that thread!

I remember reading it and thinking "whatever!" and quit reading coz its all the same album, different track.

fuck if they would only learn that there is a difference between being interesting because you have opinions and being a pretentious asshole who patterns their life after a singer.

i could be presumptive, but i can't imagine that Rufus Wainwright is sitting at home, reading all of this, and thinking, "wow! i'm so glad that none of my fans wish to think for themselves!"

because, as you probably have noticed, he's left proof that he actually reads that place.

and what sort of conversation is it when you say, "hey, i like Madame Butterfly as well, dear Rufus!" and then your observations be absolutely nothing but horseshit because you don't know what you're talking about?

> Hey that's why I go there. I read them, I just don't post. I did sign up
> the other day though.

baby steps....

> I thought the same thing. What with the classical jazzy type thing.
> I don't know it surprises me a bit. Maybe it's his looks, I don't know.

oh well. it's sign #5955 that i'm getting old. i can't remember what i was listening to at that age. i think that was one of those lulls where i paid no attention to anything in the music realm.

> I see her everywhere it seems. I'm not a fan.

someone's gotta make it.....

pffffttt

[drunken demands]

> I remember reading it and thinking "whatever!" and quit reading
> coz its all the same album, different track.

Because I'm a glutton for punishment I read quite a few of the posts. Not all of them mind you, I'm not that bad

> fuck if they would only learn that there is a difference between being
> interesting because you have opinions and being a pretentious asshole who
> patterns their life after a singer.

Hard to believe that many of them truly are into opera. Call me a cynic.
They're young though so I don't put much into it when they say those things. I guess it could be worse - like when all those girls started dressing like Madonna. It's when they start ragging on the other posters for not "being as cultured" that it becomes really annoying.

> because, as you probably have noticed, he's left proof that he actually
> reads that place.

Yes, yes aidadinner. That was very cute and a bit surprising. I can almost picture him sitting there with a cigarette, a can of Pepsi and some chips. And where the hell are our cryptic messages from Morrissey anyway? Throw us a bone!

> and what sort of conversation is it when you say, "hey, i like Madame
> Butterfly as well, dear Rufus!" and then your observations be
> absolutely nothing but horseshit because you don't know what you're
> talking about? baby steps....

Baby steps... yep, that's me. I guess I have the feeling I would end up talking to myself.

> oh well. it's sign #5955 that i'm getting old. i can't remember what i was
> listening to at that age. i think that was one of those lulls where i paid
> no attention to anything in the music realm.

I can somewhat remember what I was listening to when I was a teen. I remember buying things like Cyndi Lauper, Reo Speedwagon and Duran Duran. Typical top 40 stuff that was out. They must be smarter than me.

> someone's gotta make it.....
> pffffttt

Just saw Jewel's new video last night (at least I think it's the new one) I was dying watching it. What do these people think when they make these things? She's close to becoming Mariah Carey but, well, not as bad. How can they take themselves so seriously? I just feel like shouting at them "Snap out of it, what's wrong with you!"

[suzanne]

> Because I'm a glutton for punishment I read quite a few of the posts. Not
> all of them mind you, I'm not that bad

i read what i have time for.

> Hard to believe that many of them truly are into opera. Call me a cynic.
> They're young though so I don't put much into it when they say those
> things. I guess it could be worse - like when all those girls started
> dressing like Madonna. It's when they start ragging on the other posters
> for not "being as cultured" that it becomes really annoying.

hey, don't knock it until you try it!

at least i genuinely thought madonna was cool. i just imagine these other people falling asleep while trying to listen to opera and then coming around and saying, "i just LOVE puccini!"

> Yes, yes aidadinner. That was very cute and a bit surprising. I can almost
> picture him sitting there with a cigarette, a can of Pepsi and some chips.
> And where the hell are our cryptic messages from Morrissey anyway? Throw
> us a bone!

i found that pic of him with the piece of paper dangling from his mouth reading "aidadinner" very charming.

i think if moz were to do anything, he wouldn't post it directly here. i think it would come out some other way, and in ways that everyone probably wouldn't really be paying attention to.

> Baby steps... yep, that's me. I guess I have the feeling I would end up
> talking to myself.

that's how i feel. oh well. i'm not cultured enough to join the big leagues.

> I can somewhat remember what I was listening to when I was a teen. I
> remember buying things like Cyndi Lauper, Reo Speedwagon and Duran Duran.
> Typical top 40 stuff that was out. They must be smarter than me.

nahhhh.

although i remember listening to Cyndi Lauper when i was about 8!

> Just saw Jewel's new video last night (at least I think it's the new one)
> I was dying watching it. What do these people think when they make these
> things? She's close to becoming Mariah Carey but, well, not as bad. How
> can they take themselves so seriously? I just feel like shouting at them
> "Snap out of it, what's wrong with you!"

i can tolerate her music 100X better than her books of poetry. I read a couple of excerpts one day when i was bored and was just laughing at how silly it was.

[drunken demands]

> hey, don't knock it until you try it!

Did you have the little hair rags and stuff?

> i found that pic of him with the piece of paper dangling from his mouth
> reading "aidadinner" very charming.

I must have missed that, damnit.

> i think if moz were to do anything, he wouldn't post it directly here. i
> think it would come out some other way, and in ways that everyone probably
> wouldn't really be paying attention to.

Oh yeah of course he wouldn't post here, that would be too strange.
I wish he would though, I'd like to pick his brain - if that's even possible
heh heh.

> although i remember listening to Cyndi Lauper when i was about 8!

I guess I was about 13 or something, not sure, but I did buy the album.
For some reason if I come across one of her videos during one of those 80's rock shows they really depress me. Actually come to think of it all the songs
I equate with my childhood depress me. I always do one of those "on no, turn it off, turn it off!" thing if I come upon one.

Hey I happened to catch the new Rufus video last night on VH1. It's pretty cute. For some reason I was really surprised to see it.

> i can tolerate her music 100X better than her books of poetry. I read a
> couple of excerpts one day when i was bored and was just laughing at how
> silly it was.

Jaysus her poetry is bad isn't it? Some guy actually put out a knock off on the book. He redid all the poems with his own comic slant it was friggin hysterical!

[suzanne]

> Did you have the little hair rags and stuff?

no, not really!

all i had was the lace glove. that's as much as you can get away with when you are 11 and living in suburbia.

> I must have missed that, damnit.

> Oh yeah of course he wouldn't post here, that would be too strange.
> I wish he would though, I'd like to pick his brain - if that's even
> possible
> heh heh.

i think he let something slip in his "interview" with ambitious-outsiders. His friend who visits the board says that he doesn't read it and she basically comes here and picks out the nice stuff that he might like.....my question is how does he know anyone is saying anything bad about him here if that is the case????

i'm being too analytical about it, i know. even if i can't think about it too deeply. have you ever overeaten and just end up staring ahead like a zombie? that's me right now.....

> I guess I was about 13 or something, not sure, but I did buy the album.
> For some reason if I come across one of her videos during one of those
> 80's rock shows they really depress me. Actually come to think of it all
> the songs
> I equate with my childhood depress me. I always do one of those "on
> no, turn it off, turn it off!" thing if I come upon one.

i don't mind....until they start doing 90's stuff on the flash back lunch and THEN.....

the early 80's is happy music.

> Hey I happened to catch the new Rufus video last night on VH1. It's pretty
> cute. For some reason I was really surprised to see it.

i suppose i'll never see it unless i download it from the website.

> Jaysus her poetry is bad isn't it? Some guy actually put out a knock off
> on the book. He redid all the poems with his own comic slant it was
> friggin hysterical!

i couldn't even bring myself to read THAT. but if you tune out the lyrics, the songs themselves aren't too horrible. her latest one sounds a little bit like something i had written a while back. and, of course, nobody saw the genius in THAT at the time. now, its selling loads of albums.

[drunken demands]

> all i had was the lace glove. that's as much as you can get away with when
> you are 11 and living in suburbia.

I completely forgot about the lace glove actually. Did you wear it when you went out?

I remember when Michael Jackson was on his big Thriller rampage
and I bought some weird Motown collection of the Jackson 5 on vinyl and it came with a cheap knock off of the glove he used to wear.

> i think he let something slip in his "interview" with
> ambitious-outsiders. His friend who visits the board says that he doesn't
> read it and she basically comes here and picks out the nice stuff that he
> might like.....my question is how does he know anyone is saying anything
> bad about him here if that is the case????

Well, maybe his friend tells him that crap is said about him too. Maybe she says "well moz there's a lot of flakes on there but I won't bore you with that part..." Then again, maybe everyone just tip-toes around him.

It's hard for me to believe that he never comes on here. Honestly, if I was a singer and had a discussion board about me I would just have to check it every once in awhile to see what my fans said. I'm sure it would get boring quick but still... And if I was home as much as Morrissey probably is, I would probably check it even more. It's not like he's busy making records or anything.

>have you ever overeaten and just end up staring ahead like a
> zombie?

Hell yeah.

> the early 80's is happy music.

That's what my friend thinks but I get a little creeped out when I hear it.
My friend says "it reminds me of my carefree childhood days." Hey I don't want anything to remind me of my childhood, thank you.

> i suppose i'll never see it unless i download it from the website.

You can probably catch it on VH1 from time to time. I watched it on the site first. It downloaded quick but the picture was crappy.

> i couldn't even bring myself to read THAT.

No, no it's hysterical! He even wrote a personal letter to Jewel in it. I read it in the booksore and was laughing my ass off.

>but if you tune out the lyrics,
> the songs themselves aren't too horrible.

I don't think I could get passed the lyrics anyway. She's kinda doing a hushed "baby doll" type thing with her voice lately that I don't like either. Or maybe she always did that?

>her latest one sounds a little bit like something i had written a while back.

Take her to court, take her to court!

[suzanne]

> I completely forgot about the lace glove actually. Did you wear it when
> you went out?

um, i was *11*. i didn't have a rocking social life.

> I remember when Michael Jackson was on his big Thriller rampage
> and I bought some weird Motown collection of the Jackson 5 on vinyl and it
> came with a cheap knock off of the glove he used to wear.

really? ha! that's pretty funny!

> Well, maybe his friend tells him that crap is said about him too. Maybe
> she says "well moz there's a lot of flakes on there but I won't bore
> you with that part..." Then again, maybe everyone just tip-toes
> around him.

but she claimed she didn't. so, i admit we are a crummy bunch and i'm probably one of its leaders, but still.....oh well. i still don't think moz should take to heart what a few mentally derranged people have to say. have you met most of his fans who don't hang around his website all day? they're usually normal and have things in perspective. here, about 10 people are probably outspeaking thousands of others. and still, most people don't know much about the logistics of the record industry. they boil the world down into two simpler realms of thought, "is there an album or is there not an album?"

so, what do you think he will play on this tour if it happens?

> It's hard for me to believe that he never comes on here. Honestly, if I
> was a singer and had a discussion board about me I would just have to
> check it every once in awhile to see what my fans said. I'm sure it would
> get boring quick but still... And if I was home as much as Morrissey
> probably is, I would probably check it even more. It's not like he's busy
> making records or anything.

*smile*

but i was amused that i called it correctly that he was no longer naming the album "english heart irish blood"

most celebrities can't really stay away from those sorts of things.

> Hell yeah.

> That's what my friend thinks but I get a little creeped out when I hear
> it.
> My friend says "it reminds me of my carefree childhood days."
> Hey I don't want anything to remind me of my childhood, thank you.

it doesn't remind me of false childhoods ;^)

but its just sorta fun in its own right. and you notice people are latching onto it as opposed to hair metal and that's because hair metal is too much like the music that is played today. record companies are dumb in not trying to cash in on the like of the 80's sound and have new bands who do that stuff, but then again, they probably find it more cost effective to shove the back catalogue in people's faces.

> You can probably catch it on VH1 from time to time. I watched it on the
> site first. It downloaded quick but the picture was crappy.

um, i don't get cable....

and that also tends to be the nature of net downloads: indistinguishable pics and audio that sounds like it was recorded in a drainage pipe.

and it drives me nuts. i was an extra in some movie that is coming out in May and i found the trailer for it on the net as i haven't seen it in the theaters, and i recognize the scenes that were filmed that day, but i don't know if i'm visible in any of those shots!!!

> No, no it's hysterical! He even wrote a personal letter to Jewel in it. I
> read it in the booksore and was laughing my ass off.

and yet, she doesn't STOP.

> I don't think I could get passed the lyrics anyway. She's kinda doing a
> hushed "baby doll" type thing with her voice lately that I don't
> like either. Or maybe she always did that?

i thought she always did it. either way, she has some sapping power that guys seem to like. even this guy i knew in a black metal band was crazy over her. i thought he was joking, of course. this other guy seemed a bit enticed by her singing about putting on her p.j.'s. he thought it was just too cute.

and its a bit more phenomenal i suppose, when you hear most guys dissing a lot of that stuff as "chick music", but then they get to her, and its suddenly like "wait...."

> Take her to court, take her to court!

that would be nice, but i'd have to start suing everyone whose ever vaguely had the same idea i had, or er...have ripped off from me....

[drunken demands]

>i still don't think moz should take to heart what a few mentally
>derranged people have to say.

I really don't think he does. Surely he can't...

> have you met most of his fans who don't hang around his website all
>day?

I've only met one person who is a Morrissey fan actually. Well, not speaking
of the people I've seen at the shows if that is what you mean. They
always seem decent enough but I've never really talked to them.

> they're usually normal and have things in perspective.

Maybe the "normal" ones tend not to post and lurk instead. Lurking gets boring still I do tend to do it a lot. I go through phases where I post and then I just go dormant. There isn't enough interesting topics on this board. Sure he isn't touring and he doesn't have any new material but even when something of interest happens people don't seem to talk much about it on here anyway.

At least people could talk about music or world events but no instead we get 200 posts on england versus america and it's not even done with a modicom of intelligence. "English people have bad teeth!" - "yeah well at least Americans can spell!" blah blah blah.

Funny how I talk about them as if they can't read this. Actually, no one reads this thread so I can pretty much say what I want anyway. It's like a private conversation out in the open.

> so, what do you think he will play on this tour if it happens?

That's a good question. It's funny because if it was any other artist I would imagine it would be a combination of old material and new/upcoming material that hasn't been released yet. But with Morrissey I just cannot imagine him trying out new material on an audience before an album is released. He just doesn't seem the type. What do you think?

>companies are dumb in not trying to cash in on the like of the 80's
>sound and have new bands who do that stuff, but then again, they
>probably find it more cost effective to shove the back catalogue in
>people's faces.

Some people have told me that The Doves album - Lost Souls - is a combination of 70's and 80's type music. Have you heard it? I heard a couple of songs and wasn't really taken with it. I'm a bit desperate for new music now but can't find anything that really strikes a chord.

> and it drives me nuts. i was an extra in some movie that is coming
>out in May

What movie is it? What was that experience like?

>and i found the trailer for it on the net as i haven't seen it in the
> theaters, and i recognize the scenes that were filmed that day, but i
> don't know if i'm visible in any of those shots!!!

It would be cool if you were. I suppose you won't know until the film comes out though.

> i thought she always did it.

She probably did now that I think about it.

>either way, she has some sapping power that
> guys seem to like. even this guy i knew in a black metal band was
>crazy over her.

Knowing men it's probably the boobs.

> that would be nice, but i'd have to start suing everyone whose ever
> vaguely had the same idea i had, or er...have ripped off from me....

Well, if you're goint to start somewhere it might as well be Jewel!

Oh I joined the Rufus mailing list the other day. It's on yahoo and it's called "Raising The Rufus". Do you know about it? It's not bad. Some of the same posters as on the message board. For some reason I enjoy it a little more though. I was looking back at some of the old posts and there were some interesting/funny topics.

One from back in 1999 was about Rufus referring to some of his fans as "Ewoks" (a star trek reference from what I've gathered- short people in reference to his young female fans) A lot of the young female posters were offended by it.

Then there was the thread someone posted about Rufus being to blatant about his homosexuality, that one caused a stir too. All in all it's pretty interesting. The topics seem a bit better then the message board ones.

[suzanne]

> I really don't think he does. Surely he can't...

> I've only met one person who is a Morrissey fan actually. Well, not
> speaking
> of the people I've seen at the shows if that is what you mean. They
> always seem decent enough but I've never really talked to them.

i haven't much either, but i assume most of them are functional.

> Maybe the "normal" ones tend not to post and lurk instead.
> Lurking gets boring still I do tend to do it a lot. I go through phases
> where I post and then I just go dormant. There isn't enough interesting
> topics on this board. Sure he isn't touring and he doesn't have any new
> material but even when something of interest happens people don't seem to
> talk much about it on here anyway.

or it's "what? another compilation? moz, go back into the studio!"

which, yeah, i was bad, but then it becomes apparent that complaining about what comes out is not going to make an album appear any faster. and also, one doesn't necessarily have much to do with the other. so, some record company wants to compile it all and release it again and again. you are thinking, "if magazines can write articles about him, and if record labels feel like there is enough money out there to warrant the re-release of compilations with nearly the same track listing, surely there is a place in this world for a new moz record....?"

but again, i think a lot of the "meanness" he alludes to is probably stemming from impatience and doesn't have much to do with hating him.

> At least people could talk about music or world events but no instead we
> get 200 posts on england versus america and it's not even done with a
> modicom of intelligence. "English people have bad teeth!" -
> "yeah well at least Americans can spell!" blah blah blah.

yeah, that does get tiresome, doesn't it? it boggles my mind that when something of world importance comes up, you have people complaining, "this is a morrissey board! don't fill it with this crap!" and then, there are endless streams of junk that doesn't really mean anything and it's OK.

> Funny how I talk about them as if they can't read this. Actually, no one
> reads this thread so I can pretty much say what I want anyway. It's like a
> private conversation out in the open.

heh...there are a few gawkers...

> That's a good question. It's funny because if it was any other artist I
> would imagine it would be a combination of old material and new/upcoming
> material that hasn't been released yet. But with Morrissey I just cannot
> imagine him trying out new material on an audience before an album is
> released. He just doesn't seem the type. What do you think?

psychic vibes tell me....

i don't know. i think if there were to be a "new" song debuted, my theory is maybe it would be Kit. Boz has somewhat spoiled the surprise of what the song sounds like by singing it on his own and it might not be recorded on a moz album anyway, so, its just an added trinket....added to what, i don't know. i can't imagine him saying, "let's pull out the set list from the last time around" as i think everyone would lead a revolt.
...or even a hint of what the theme would be. last time it was West ham.

> Some people have told me that The Doves album - Lost Souls - is a
> combination of 70's and 80's type music. Have you heard it? I heard a
> couple of songs and wasn't really taken with it. I'm a bit desperate for
> new music now but can't find anything that really strikes a chord.

i haven't heard it. or, i think i have and it just sounded like your typical indie stuff. i can't remember now.

> What movie is it? What was that experience like?

it's called The New Guy, and its a teen comedy thing of some dork getting thrown in jail, and then emerging with a badass attitude at a brand new school.

at least that's what i've been able to tell from the trailer.

but i was in some crowd shots at the big football game scene. i only got to do it for one day, but from what i can tell you about it, it's definitely different. you're running down the side of a hill one moment, then the next, they put you up in the stands and let you react to imaginary people running down the side of the hill, so its schizophrenic. "i was up there, but now i'm not, and now, i'm supposed to pretend like i'm the enemy" it's also a long process, and you have to get up early, so you are zonked at the end of the day.

it wasn't too bad. i think i felt a lot more comfortable doing that sort of thing vs. my other stabs at entertainment jobs. the problem is knowing where to go from there and the scheduling.

> It would be cool if you were. I suppose you won't know until the film
> comes out though.

and it's been a long wait. a year and a half!

> She probably did now that I think about it.

> Knowing men it's probably the boobs.

no, Britney spears is for that. I think what they like in Jewel is that she just comes off as a doe-eyed innocent. sorta more like "she's so cute when she's deep!" or they like her singing or something. if she started stripping in her videos or coming out with acoustic guitar wearing a sequin-y little bikini outfit, i think there would be a revolt.

> Well, if you're goint to start somewhere it might as well be Jewel!

> Oh I joined the Rufus mailing list the other day. It's on yahoo and it's
> called "Raising The Rufus". Do you know about it? It's not bad.
> Some of the same posters as on the message board. For some reason I enjoy
> it a little more though. I was looking back at some of the old posts and
> there were some interesting/funny topics.

i don't know about it. if its the same people, i assume its just more of them. and besides, i don't like having things cluttering my in-box. i just would like to show up and read when i have time.

> One from back in 1999 was about Rufus referring to some of his fans as
> "Ewoks" (a star trek reference from what I've gathered- short
> people in reference to his young female fans) A lot of the young female
> posters were offended by it.

Star Wars!!!!!

depends on how he means that. if he found the ewoks endearing little furry creatures or annoyances that destroyed an otherwise good sci fi film.

either way, um, he's not going to exactly see his female fan contigency in a sexual manner, is he? is he going to walk in like some suave Bing Crosby-type and be all "well, hello, ladies....this one is for you" in some deep smoldering voice?

that's probably what is making them mad. they think he's hot, but the Ewoks bit probably drives home that he will never reciprocate.

and you think "well, he says he's gay, surely they know" but if you have a crush on someone, it's just words! its merely an inconvenience you air brush over. like if he was in a serious relationship and they can still imagine he might have them as long as this other person is not mentioned. it isn't until he says something that qualifies what he thinks of them that it drives the point home.

> Then there was the thread someone posted about Rufus being to blatant
> about his homosexuality, that one caused a stir too. All in all it's
> pretty interesting. The topics seem a bit better then the message board
> ones.

there was a thread like that on the messageboard. oh well. another subject that is sorta beaten into the ground.

[drunken demands]

> i haven't much either, but i assume most of them are functional.

I think so too. They can't possibly be like the people
who actually post on here, that would be a bit too strange.

> which, yeah, i was bad, but then it becomes apparent that complaining
> about what comes out is not going to make an album appear any faster.

It's a shame too isn't it? We're powerless! Of course I don't think Morrissey
owes us another album,it would just be nice if it occurred.

> also, one doesn't necessarily have much to do with the other. so, some
> record company wants to compile it all and release it again and again. you
> are thinking, "if magazines can write articles about him, and if
> record labels feel like there is enough money out there to warrant the
> re-release of compilations with nearly the same track listing, surely
> there is a place in this world for a new moz record....?"

There is of course, the rest is up to Morrissey. I just don't understand what he is holding out for for. Maybe I'm just lost on the subject I don't know.

> but again, i think a lot of the "meanness" he alludes to is
> probably stemming from impatience and doesn't have much to do with hating
> him.

I think impatience is only natural. We're his fans, we enjoy his music. Would he rather we not care and just disappear? Of course I don't think the meanness is necessary. Still, I don't think most of the people on here are being nasty to him. Maybe I've missed something. Have I?

> i don't know. i think if there were to be a "new" song debuted,
> my theory is maybe it would be Kit. Boz has somewhat spoiled the surprise
> of what the song sounds like by singing it on his own and it might not be
> recorded on a moz album anyway, so, its just an added trinket....added to
> what, i don't know. i can't imagine him saying, "let's pull out the
> set list from the last time around" as i think everyone would lead a
> revolt.

Oh hell yeah. That would be really strange. I don't think he would even try to get away with that.

> but i was in some crowd shots at the big football game scene. i only got
> to do it for one day, but from what i can tell you about it, it's
> definitely different. you're running down the side of a hill one moment,
> then the next, they put you up in the stands and let you react to
> imaginary people running down the side of the hill, so its schizophrenic.
> "i was up there, but now i'm not, and now, i'm supposed to pretend
> like i'm the enemy" it's also a long process, and you have to get up
> early, so you are zonked at the end of the day.

How do you get picked for this? Do they just take the first 200 people who show up or something? I think it would have been funny to act like a prima donna and demand a dresser room and personal makeup artist.

> no, Britney spears is for that.

Oh yeah that's right,I always forget about her. I still can't figure out what the fuss is.

>I think what they like in Jewel is that she just comes off as a doe-eyed >innocent.

She does that pretty well yeah. And while I'm not crazy about her, I'll still
take her over Britney any day.

> i don't know about it. if its the same people, i assume its just more of
> them. and besides, i don't like having things cluttering my in-box. i just
> would like to show up and read when i have time.

Actually you can just select the option of no mail and just read the posts online. I subscribed to the digest though because I like having it fall in my lap every day with no effort.

> depends on how he means that. if he found the ewoks endearing little furry
> creatures or annoyances that destroyed an otherwise good sci fi film.

I tend to think he meant "enduring little people" but one girl got really pissed about it and took it as him putting down his young female fans. Making fun of them in a way.

A couple people also expressed their shock at the type of fan base he has attracted because supposedly when he was just starting out he attracted an older set - mid 20's early 30's coffee shop type crowd. I can see that.

> that's probably what is making them mad. they think he's hot, but the
> Ewoks bit probably drives home that he will never reciprocate.

You have a point because this same girl went on to ask if people thought he treated his male fans better than his female ones to which most everyone responded no who had met him. And I really cannot imagine Rufus behaving like that.

On the other hand Mark Kozelek of The Red House Painters is known for treating his female fans much better than his male ones. Of course he's hetrosexual, annoyingly so I might add. I think Mark is always looking to get laid and his male fans tend to be in the way.

Anyway, back to Rufus - She also said she was dead embarrased at how openly Rufus talked about his sex life at his shows. Supposedly he is is pretty blunt and talks rather frankly about it. According to her at least. I'm seeing him this Sunday the 10th I can't wait to hear what he has to say heheh.

I'm guessing it's nothing like she is saying it maybe just shocked her because he was talking about sex with another guy. People always seem to feel differently when a gay person talks about sex then when a straight person does.

When a gay guy does it people always seem to act like "do we really need to hear this, um this is uncomfortable" Whereas if a straight guy does it seems perfectly normal and everyone laughs about it. It's a double standard.

She also said she thought he was flaunting his homosexuality. Being gay must really suck. You're always a bit of an oddity to people. I don't know if people can ever truly understand it unless they're gay.

> and you think "well, he says he's gay, surely they know" but if
> you have a crush on someone, it's just words! its merely an inconvenience
> you air brush over. like if he was in a serious relationship and they can
> still imagine he might have them as long as this other person is not
> mentioned. it isn't until he says something that qualifies what he thinks
> of them that it drives the point home.

Okay wait for some reason this is reminding me of the other thread I just read on there. Do you like Rufus because he is not a threat. Hmmm.....After I read it all I could think was - WHAT?

[suzanne]

> I think so too. They can't possibly be like the people
> who actually post on here, that would be a bit too strange.

> It's a shame too isn't it? We're powerless! Of course I don't think
> Morrissey
> owes us another album,it would just be nice if it occurred.

the thing is, at this point, i suppose it doesn't matter. but i suppose i believe in calling it what it is. if he wants to record the album, then he should do all he can to get out there and promote himself and not just let himself get meekly swallowed up. this halfway stuff just doesn't cut it coz you end up standing in one place. if he doesn't want to record the album, then that's OK, too. nobody said he had to keep marching into the studio until he was 95.

although, it was interesting seeing U2 as the premiere superbowl halftime entertainment....and they didn't even have to share the stage with Aerosmith and n'sync! which, they've been around longer than he has...even if, well, i think part of their resurgence here in the US has had to do a bit with their involvement with the 9-11 activities. not that i think that they are there cashing in or anything of that matter, but i think the audiences in general are touched by their sincerity and they love them back for it.

> There is of course, the rest is up to Morrissey. I just don't understand
> what he is holding out for for. Maybe I'm just lost on the subject I don't
> know.

hell, i don't know. and i'm thinking at this point that since we don't know...

> I think impatience is only natural. We're his fans, we enjoy his music.
> Would he rather we not care and just disappear? Of course I don't think
> the meanness is necessary. Still, I don't think most of the people on here
> are being nasty to him. Maybe I've missed something. Have I?

Most people aren't. But i think its also typical Morrissey to ignore all the nice wonderful comments people laud on him and dwell on the few bad apples.

> Oh hell yeah. That would be really strange. I don't think he would even
> try to get away with that.

> How do you get picked for this? Do they just take the first 200 people who
> show up or something? I think it would have been funny to act like a prima
> donna and demand a dresser room and personal makeup artist.

nahhh. they needed loads of people to show up and pretend they are watching a football game, so they had a large ad in the paper promising pizza, prizes, t-shirts, and the Texas bikini team. Which, i didn't know there was such a thing, but that was the low point...having to stare at a bunch of bleach-blondes running around as the emcees as there was no equivalent thing for the women to stare at.

i can't help but think of what Janeane Garofalo was going on about last night about how women are brainwashed into seeing themselves through the eyes of men.

they do have a casting agency here in town that handles extras for films. i was called one other time and couldnt' make it. but that was when i was there to answer the phone. they probably call and if they get the answering machine, they just hang up. otherwise, i can't imagine them only calling me once in the last 2 years that i've been registered in their office.

> Oh yeah that's right,I always forget about her. I still can't figure out
> what the fuss is.

i think she looks like Debbie Gibson in the face.

But i think part of it is that she has the "image" that consumer culture wants. so, they put her in a bunch of Pepsi commercials and that fuels more of the "we can't get away from her!" buzz.

> She does that pretty well yeah. And while I'm not crazy about her, I'll
> still
> take her over Britney any day.

> Actually you can just select the option of no mail and just read the posts
> online. I subscribed to the digest though because I like having it fall in
> my lap every day with no effort.

> I tend to think he meant "enduring little people" but one girl
> got really pissed about it and took it as him putting down his young
> female fans. Making fun of them in a way.

> A couple people also expressed their shock at the type of fan base he has
> attracted because supposedly when he was just starting out he attracted an
> older set - mid 20's early 30's coffee shop type crowd. I can see that.

that's actually what i thought the crowd would more resemble. maybe not exactly coffeehouse crowd as they seem to like old farts who play the blues. well, at least here in austin, so i don't know what its like in Greenwich Village. I was envisioning 20-somethings at least, starting with college crowds.

> You have a point because this same girl went on to ask if people thought
> he treated his male fans better than his female ones to which most
> everyone responded no who had met him. And I really cannot imagine Rufus
> behaving like that.

yeah, it sounds like embitterment.

> On the other hand Mark Kozelek of The Red House Painters is known for
> treating his female fans much better than his male ones. Of course he's
> hetrosexual, annoyingly so I might add. I think Mark is always looking to
> get laid and his male fans tend to be in the way.

ah, one of those. their music sucks anyway.

maybe i should give up on people trying to be normal for dating relationships. or maybe i should give up on the idea that i could ever be normal in them. or something.

> Anyway, back to Rufus - She also said she was dead embarrased at how
> openly Rufus talked about his sex life at his shows. Supposedly he is is
> pretty blunt and talks rather frankly about it. According to her at least.
> I'm seeing him this Sunday the 10th I can't wait to hear what he has to
> say heheh.

> I'm guessing it's nothing like she is saying it maybe just shocked her
> because he was talking about sex with another guy. People always seem to
> feel differently when a gay person talks about sex then when a straight
> person does.

> When a gay guy does it people always seem to act like "do we really
> need to hear this, um this is uncomfortable" Whereas if a straight
> guy does it seems perfectly normal and everyone laughs about it. It's a
> double standard.

of course! and just like had they given us the male speedo team, the guys would have been all "this is so GAY!" because they dont have any concept of women thinking like that and that all sexual imagery is aimed at men.

like moz putting pics of naked dudes on his covers. it could either be to his liking or what, but you don't hear anyone saying, "good for him for giving women something they want to see!" and when he rips his shirt off on stage and all that, they talk about his male audience. they fail to realize there are many women out there who enjoy seeing it. but that gets ignored. i know plenty of girls who i mentioned moz to and they were all "hey, he's cute!" but its like us women are basically an invisible audience to the media and mainstream. we buy tickets. we buy albums. we like finding good pics of him in magazines without a shirt on, but instead, everyone still runs around and thinks we're not interested.

> She also said she thought he was flaunting his homosexuality. Being gay
> must really suck. You're always a bit of an oddity to people. I don't know
> if people can ever truly understand it unless they're gay.

yes, its definitely a culture, fostered in hopes that they can stick together against a world that hates them.

> Okay wait for some reason this is reminding me of the other thread I just
> read on there. Do you like Rufus because he is not a threat.
> Hmmm.....After I read it all I could think was - WHAT?

no, this is different than him not posing a threat. if you think about it, gay or straight, most celebrities you lust after don't really pose a threat. she could be in love with Kid Rock if he were single and the results would still be the same. she aint' getting any. however, the idea of what celebrities do is fuel the IDEA that they might find you attractive and might date you if they didn't fly in their private jets all day and date only other rich celebrities. its an expected let-down. they strut around all day in sexy outfits and look good for your visual pleasure, and they may give those tiny hints of "i'm single!" so the girls (or guys) playing along at home go "ooohh!!!! i'm waiting for you Roofie baby!" but the reality check within them knows that if they are lucky, they might get to accidentally bump into him shopping for groceries and get an autograph signed. it's all role playing. he pretends like he is lonely and might give them the time of day, and they are happy.

and indeed, part of the game involves not calling people Ewoks. suddenly, *boom* reality hits. he's not the guy they can pose to their own liking. and it is strange when you think about it coz even though she probably will never get to know him on a personal level in her lifetime, the mere fact that he mentions his homosexuality is spoiling the relationship that never was.

[drunken demands]

> the thing is, at this point, i suppose it doesn't matter. but i suppose i
> believe in calling it what it is. if he wants to record the album, then he
> should do all he can to get out there and promote himself and not just let
> himself get meekly swallowed up.

I'm with you on this. I say we take a trip to LA, find his house, pray for an open gate and tell him. I'll bring the disposable camera.

>this halfway stuff just doesn't cut it
> coz you end up standing in one place. if he doesn't want to record the
> album, then that's OK, too. nobody said he had to keep marching into the
> studio until he was 95.

Why can't he get a record deal? Is he being that picky? Is he holding out for something he's not being offered? I just don't understand. More questions for Operation Morrissey 2.

> Most people aren't. But i think its also typical Morrissey to ignore all
> the nice wonderful comments people laud on him and dwell on the few bad
> apples.

It is isn't it? Come on his fans love him, it's obvious. The fact that we stick around when he's not even doing anything says something.

> nahhh. they needed loads of people to show up and pretend they are
> watching a football game, so they had a large ad in the paper promising
> pizza, prizes, t-shirts, and the Texas bikini team. Which, i didn't know
> there was such a thing, but that was the low point...having to stare at a
> bunch of bleach-blondes running around as the emcees as there was no
> equivalent thing for the women to stare at.

Obviously the Texas bikini thing was to bring in the guys. What part was for the women - the pizza and prizes? Women always get cheated.

> i can't help but think of what Janeane Garofalo was going on about last
> night about how women are brainwashed into seeing themselves through the
> eyes of men.

That is so damn true. How depressing.

> But i think part of it is that she has the "image" that consumer
> culture wants. so, they put her in a bunch of Pepsi commercials and that
> fuels more of the "we can't get away from her!" buzz.

She hasn't been around that long but she's really wearing on me. And all those
effects on her voice, it's horrible.

> that's actually what i thought the crowd would more resemble. maybe not
> exactly coffeehouse crowd as they seem to like old farts who play the
> blues. well, at least here in austin, so i don't know what its like in
> Greenwich Village.

It's different in NY. Coffehouses are very popular with the young 20's & 30's crowd. Here old farts hang out on the benches in the mall.

> ah, one of those. their music sucks anyway.

Oh I love The Red House Painters! - um despite Mark Kozelek...

Their Rollercoaster album is one of my favorite albums of all time. I know a lot of people think they're boring snooze music but if you give them a chance they can really get under your skin. I remember the first time I heard them I thought this is so boring it all sounds the same then one day it just clicked.

Same thing with Rufus's first album. I picked it up after having Poses and just couldn't get into it. It seemed so blah. I'm finally starting to get into it although Danny Boy, Damned Ladies and Sally Ann all still escape me. Matinee Idol is a little weird too. I can't get into that one, at least yet.

> maybe i should give up on people trying to be normal for dating
> relationships. or maybe i should give up on the idea that i could ever be
> normal in them. or something.

Your best bet is to find someone on the same wavelength as you. Yes I know, easier said than done. I actually thought I found that only to have him pull a "sorry, tricked you" stunt and then proceed to stomp on my heart.

> no, this is different than him not posing a threat. if you think about it,
> gay or straight, most celebrities you lust after don't really pose a
> threat.

Oh of course - hey wait you don't have to convince me! I live in reality - really. hehe. But seriously Rufus is definitely ruining some young girls fantasies out there with his comments and his openness about his homosexuality. I don't think that happens for his older female fans though. I know he needs to work a little harder for me - my imagination is very cunning - heh heh.

[suzanne]

> I'm with you on this. I say we take a trip to LA, find his house, pray for
> an open gate and tell him. I'll bring the disposable camera.

wait, that's too obvious! let's tap his phone lines. that way, we can get the real story. we're bound to get a juicy conversation of him discussing things with boz or alain.

> Why can't he get a record deal? Is he being that picky? Is he holding out
> for something he's not being offered? I just don't understand. More
> questions for Operation Morrissey 2.

maybe he just wants to take a break. or maybe they aren't giving him what he wants. i can't imagine there is absolutely no record company out there that will deal with him. they even keep trodding out new Lou Reed records and there hasn't been a pulse on that corpse for about 20 years.

> It is isn't it? Come on his fans love him, it's obvious. The fact that we
> stick around when he's not even doing anything says something.

yeah, really.

i mean, if he thinks we stick around just to have someone to bash on, he's got another thing coming.

here are other artists that i could come up with 100X better reasons for bashing:

Creed
Britney spears
blink 182
the cast and writers of Ally McBeal
Bill O'reilly
Saturday Night Live
Bill Gates

> Obviously the Texas bikini thing was to bring in the guys. What part was
> for the women - the pizza and prizes? Women always get cheated.

exactly.

> That is so damn true. How depressing.

> She hasn't been around that long but she's really wearing on me. And all
> those
> effects on her voice, it's horrible.

because there isn't a voice to work with!!!!

oh well. she's joined the rank of talentless celebrities like pamela anderson that just stand around, look like plastic, and don't really do much of anything.

> It's different in NY. Coffehouses are very popular with the young 20's
> & 30's crowd. Here old farts hang out on the benches in the mall.

not that old!

> Oh I love The Red House Painters! - um despite Mark Kozelek...

> Their Rollercoaster album is one of my favorite albums of all time. I know
> a lot of people think they're boring snooze music but if you give them a
> chance they can really get under your skin. I remember the first time I
> heard them I thought this is so boring it all sounds the same then one day
> it just clicked.

yes, indeed they are boring snooze music.

i've heard music like that before. i just tune it out after a while because its too dull.

> Same thing with Rufus's first album. I picked it up after having Poses and
> just couldn't get into it. It seemed so blah. I'm finally starting to get
> into it although Danny Boy, Damned Ladies and Sally Ann all still escape
> me. Matinee Idol is a little weird too. I can't get into that one, at
> least yet.

his first album is merely OK. sounds like he had been listening to too much Billy Joel.

> Your best bet is to find someone on the same wavelength as you. Yes I
> know, easier said than done. I actually thought I found that only to have
> him pull a "sorry, tricked you" stunt and then proceed to stomp
> on my heart.

yes, that's easier said than done. like neurosies repel.

> Oh of course - hey wait you don't have to convince me! I live in reality -
> really. hehe. But seriously Rufus is definitely ruining some young girls
> fantasies out there with his comments and his openness about his
> homosexuality. I don't think that happens for his older female fans
> though. I know he needs to work a little harder for me - my imagination is
> very cunning - heh heh.

oh no. that's something you don't outgrow. i notice that most people in dire like of someone tend to gloss over things. they may have heard the reality. they may can voice it, but it doesn't mean that's its overpowering that other part of your brain. you always find some reason despite the obvious reality as to why it can work.

and its not necessarily stalkerism. those moments of clarity do pop through on rare occasions, "what the hell am i doing with my life?" but it usually doesn't win.

[drunken demands]

> wait, that's too obvious! let's tap his phone lines. that way, we can get
> the real story. we're bound to get a juicy conversation of him discussing
> things with boz or alain.

Yes, yes that's it! Plus maybe we'll find out something really swarmy about him I say we use it as blackmail for a new album and tour.

> maybe he just wants to take a break.

If that is the case, he should just say it.

On the Moz topic - I found that whole meeting Morrissey thing on the Ambitious Outsiders site so odd. It just seemed too easy.

"Well, I think today is the day I'm going to meet Morrissey. Ok I got my disposable camera, oh look the gate is open, oh look there's Morrissey" This guy must have a horseshoe up his ass.

For some reason I found the photos of Morrissey in his car really funny.

>or maybe they aren't giving him what he wants.

I kind of think that may be it. What else could it possibly be? Wait, maybe he wants some really strange demands written into his contract - hehe.

> i can't imagine there is absolutely no record company out there
> that will deal with him. they even keep trodding out new Lou Reed records
> and there hasn't been a pulse on that corpse for about 20 years.

Maybe he's not as picky as Morrissey though. I certainly don't believe that Moz cannot get a record deal. To me it seems more reasonable to believe that he can't get the one he wants, the way he wants it.

> here are other artists that i could come up with 100X better reasons for
> bashing:
> Creed
> Britney spears
> blink 182
> the cast and writers of Ally McBeal

Funny you should bring that one up. That shows drives me crazy. Do we really need a show that depicts pitifully desperate women looking for a guy to "fulfill their lives and make them whole".

I always imagine a bunch of women sitting around watching it with tissues "oh I can relate, I can relate, where is my special guy!" It makes me a little bit sick and it makes women look foolish. The whole show completely revolves around that one topic.

> Bill Gates

Don't get me started on him.

> because there isn't a voice to work with!!!!

Exactly, but must it be made so obvious?

> oh well. she's joined the rank of talentless celebrities like pamela
> anderson that just stand around, look like plastic, and don't really do
> much of anything.

Did you ever see that Pamela Anderson show - what's it called? The one where she and a couple of other women go out and kick box everyone? VIP? I'm not sure. Anyway, I caught it once and it was the most painful thing I've ever seen. I wanted to laugh but I couldn't stop cringing.

> his first album is merely OK. sounds like he had been listening to too
> much Billy Joel.

And there's always those fans who say how wonderful it is and how Poses was a disappointment compared. I hear the Billy Joel thing too. Sometimes Rufus's voice reminds me of Jackson Browne little. Still I do like Foolish Love, Imaginary Love and Beauty Mark.

>yes, that's easier said than done. like neurosies repel.

When it comes to dating/relationships everything is easier said then done.

> oh no. that's something you don't outgrow. i notice that most people in
> dire like of someone tend to gloss over things. they may have heard the
> reality. they may can voice it, but it doesn't mean that's its
> overpowering that other part of your brain. you always find some reason
> despite the obvious reality as to why it can work.

Hey everyone needs fantasies anyway. Most of the time life is just not as exciting as it should be. I need more excitement in my life. The highlight of my day today was a piece of chocolate cake.

[suzanne]

> Yes, yes that's it! Plus maybe we'll find out something really swarmy
> about him I say we use it as blackmail for a new album and tour.

oh yes. there are some things that will make your toes curl!

"morrissey: the other side: an expose"

"Boz, you burned those master reels, havent you?"
"yes"
"good. i don't want anyone finding out i had written a song called 'oh baby we got that forever kinda love"
"um, no"
"are you sure you did it?"
"yes, i don't want to admit i wrote music for a song called 'oh baby, we got that forever kinda love"
"good"
"yes"
"because i don't"

> If that is the case, he should just say it.

he can't do that! he has to maintain interest!

this tour thingie is probably designed to maintain everyone's interest until at least march when everyone notices that this tour seems to have no dates or tickets to be bought.

> On the Moz topic - I found that whole meeting Morrissey thing on the
> Ambitious Outsiders site so odd. It just seemed too easy.

> "Well, I think today is the day I'm going to meet Morrissey. Ok I got
> my disposable camera, oh look the gate is open, oh look there's
> Morrissey" This guy must have a horseshoe up his ass.

yeah, i found that a bit odd. but then again, there are people like that in this world. my sister's fiance's brother is apparently like that. I should take him along and i'd probably get a sit down dinner with moz.

or, he might get the dinner and i might be at the local mcdonald's.

> For some reason I found the photos of Morrissey in his car really funny.

were there some? i missed that.

> I kind of think that may be it. What else could it possibly be? Wait,
> maybe he wants some really strange demands written into his contract -
> hehe.

"i want a section of the tour bus made into a cage for my love slave. oh, and i also want to invite the cast of Stargate as my entourage. we also want special rider privaleges such as discounts for Six Flags."

> Maybe he's not as picky as Morrissey though. I certainly don't believe
> that Moz cannot get a record deal. To me it seems more reasonable to
> believe that he can't get the one he wants, the way he wants it.

and there you are! the happy medium that someone is going to have to do a little give or take on!

> Funny you should bring that one up. That shows drives me crazy. Do we
> really need a show that depicts pitifully desperate women looking for a
> guy to "fulfill their lives and make them whole".

oh wait, that sounds like....ME!

"morrissey...where are you????"

just kidding.

> I always imagine a bunch of women sitting around watching it with tissues
> "oh I can relate, I can relate, where is my special guy!" It
> makes me a little bit sick and it makes women look foolish. The whole show
> completely revolves around that one topic.

their special guy is off with another special woman. looks like they'll just have to settle for the trailer trash in the wife-beater tee once again.

> Don't get me started on him.

> Exactly, but must it be made so obvious?

oh yeah. this is america! you don't need talent to get anywhere!

> Did you ever see that Pamela Anderson show - what's it called? The one
> where she and a couple of other women go out and kick box everyone? VIP?
> I'm not sure. Anyway, I caught it once and it was the most painful thing
> I've ever seen. I wanted to laugh but I couldn't stop cringing.

yup that's the one. we show it on our TV station where i work. i suppose it gets ratings of some sort, but it's all from guys going, "yeah, the show sucks, but that's not why i watch it...."

> And there's always those fans who say how wonderful it is and how Poses
> was a disappointment compared. I hear the Billy Joel thing too. Sometimes
> Rufus's voice reminds me of Jackson Browne little. Still I do like Foolish
> Love, Imaginary Love and Beauty Mark.

oh thhbbbttt on them. "my first album!"

but Poses is the first album he had with a decent producer! makes a universe of difference.

> When it comes to dating/relationships everything is easier said then done.

that's why i'm going to devote my life to writing trashy romance novels.

yes, it was decided this afternoon. i was sitting at work, bored, writing, and i'm like "hey....." and its only a few paragraphs but i suddenly looked at it and said, "this would be a good part of a..." and you don't need much love experience to write one since they aren't set in reality anyway. but the reality bits were just that right shade of rouge of anguish that makes the story compelling.

> Hey everyone needs fantasies anyway. Most of the time life is just not as
> exciting as it should be. I need more excitement in my life. The highlight
> of my day today was a piece of chocolate cake.

hmmm..i've had days like those. i;ve had days where all i did was lay around so i didn't even have the chocolate cake. matter of fact, i've anguished over cake. i was reading this recipe book i got for christmas with one recipe with frosting that uses a pound and a half of chocolate and a stick of butter. i was so yearning to try it just to see what such a monster would taste like, but i have to have someone to pawn it off on after the fact. you can't keep a cake with about 100,000 calories sitting around your house and left at your mercy.

the highlight of my day was running around in my acting class like a dork. that was fun in a weird way.

[drunken demands]

I don't come here for a day and now there's an overwhelming amount of new (and strange) messages on here. What's going on with that Chris guy from Ambitious Outsiders? He really shut down his site? Why is everyone so fragile lately? Geez.

> "morrissey: the other side: an expose"
> "Boz, you burned those master reels, havent you?"
> "yes"
> "good. i don't want anyone finding out i had written a song called
> 'oh baby we got that forever kinda love"
> "um, no"
> "are you sure you did it?"
> "yes, i don't want to admit i wrote music for a song called 'oh baby,
> we got that forever kinda love"
> "good"
> "yes"
> "because i don't"

LOL! Thanks for the laugh, I needed it, it's been a crappy day.

> he can't do that! he has to maintain interest!

He is so damn manipulative!

> this tour thingie is probably designed to maintain everyone's interest
> until at least march when everyone notices that this tour seems to have no
> dates or tickets to be bought.

He's doing it again isn't he?

Okay Mr. Morrissey if you are reading this we want you to know we are on to you. First it was the whole trying to make us feel guilty thing, now it's the pretend tour thing! Stop playing with us, we are the innocent victims here.

And what really is the chance of an April tour happening? Who is he kidding? What is it, two months away? No way.

> yeah, i found that a bit odd. but then again, there are people like >that in this world. my sister's fiance's brother is apparently like that. I
> should take him along and i'd probably get a sit down dinner with moz.

Well, what are you waiting for? Ask him if he wants to come with us for for operation Morrissey 2.

> were there some? i missed that.

Yes, I was going to tell you to go back and look but it appears you can't now. The photos of him in his car were pretty funny.

From what was written, when Morrissey got into his car to leave, they asked him if they could get some photos of him in the car. There was 3 or 4 of them. They said that he got caught at the first red light and that they caught him looking back and smirking at the fact that they were still shooting pics.

I can just imagine Moz with a little grin on his face, running his fingers through his hair with that "oh I still got it" look on his face.

> oh wait, that sounds like....ME!
> "morrissey...where are you????"
> just kidding.

No, come on, there's a little truth in that

> oh yeah. this is america! you don't need talent to get anywhere!

And MTV suddenly becomes very clear....

> that's why i'm going to devote my life to writing trashy romance novels.

Maybe you'll get to meet that geeky Fabio guy - heh heh. I used to know a woman who had an entire collection of those Harlequin Romance paperbacks. But isn't it like, you've read one, you've read them all? The names and places are different but everything else is pretty much the same.

That's where you could come in and mix it up. Add some crazy stuff to keep them on their toes.

> hmmm..i've had days like those. i;ve had days where all i did was lay
> around so i didn't even have the chocolate cake.

The worst part is I didn't just lay around, I did things! And the chocolate cake was still the highlight. See what I mean?

> anguished over cake. i was reading this recipe book i got for christmas
> with one recipe with frosting that uses a pound and a half of chocolate
> and a stick of butter. i was so yearning to try it just to see what such a
> monster would taste like, but i have to have someone to pawn it off on
> after the fact. you can't keep a cake with about 100,000 calories sitting
> around your house and left at your mercy.

Pawn it off on me. I don't even think about calories anymore. I'm thin yeah but my insides are probably all clogged up. I went through a stage where I had to eat healthy. Bought low fat/fat free products and all that crap. Have you ever tasted fat free salad dressing? It will put you off of those products for life. I did this for about 2 years then one day I just stopped. Just like that. It's been butter, potato chips and pizza since then.

> the highlight of my day was running around in my acting class like a dork.
> that was fun in a weird way.

I'm talking about chocolate cake and you're talking about acting classes. You've made me feel like a complete slug! Argh!!

[suzanne]

> I don't come here for a day and now there's an overwhelming amount of new
> (and strange) messages on here. What's going on with that Chris guy from
> Ambitious Outsiders? He really shut down his site? Why is everyone so
> fragile lately? Geez.

no, he didn't shut it down.

if you get to the end of that long diatribe, there is a link that takes you on to the normal stuff.

i'm not involving myself with it. frankly, i think he's going "woe is me!" to get attention.

"morrissey! i'm but a minor pawn, but i identify with your pain and suffering, as I have suffered on your behalf...."

either that, or he's one of the wimpiest people on the internet.

> LOL! Thanks for the laugh, I needed it, it's been a crappy day.

ha! mine too!

> He is so damn manipulative!

> He's doing it again isn't he?

i dunno. i asked someone who should know and they just sorta gave an answer of "possible".

> Okay Mr. Morrissey if you are reading this we want you to know we are on
> to you. First it was the whole trying to make us feel guilty thing, now
> it's the pretend tour thing! Stop playing with us, we are the innocent
> victims here.

yes, and i'm the most innocent of all morrissey! take the rest of the morons down with the ship! i'll sell them all out! including drunken demands!

oh wait, did i say that? :^)

> And what really is the chance of an April tour happening? Who is he
> kidding? What is it, two months away? No way.

don't know if they need to practice that much, even though it has been 2 years, but of course, the big question is booking the venue. and most acts of his stature start announcing dates about 2 months before they play them.

unless, he's playing open mics, then he could walk up 30 minutes before the start of the show and sign a list.

> Well, what are you waiting for? Ask him if he wants to come with us for
> for operation Morrissey 2.

i can't. he's somewhere on a ship in the middle or far east. top secret. shhhhhhhh...

> Yes, I was going to tell you to go back and look but it appears you can't
> now. The photos of him in his car were pretty funny.

i tried downloading them, but i couldn't bear it! i had to leave. i felt wrong for even looking at it!

> From what was written, when Morrissey got into his car to leave, they
> asked him if they could get some photos of him in the car. There was 3 or
> 4 of them. They said that he got caught at the first red light and that
> they caught him looking back and smirking at the fact that they were still
> shooting pics.

> I can just imagine Moz with a little grin on his face, running his fingers
> through his hair with that "oh I still got it" look on his face.

either that or "oh god, won't they get a life?"

i always assume the worst.

or "ha! my evil plan has worked!"

whatever that plan may be.

> No, come on, there's a little truth in that

truth that is stranger than fiction!

> And MTV suddenly becomes very clear....

it wasn't before?

it's all about having a 'tude.

at least Pauly shore has finally and completely disappeared.

> Maybe you'll get to meet that geeky Fabio guy - heh heh. I used to know a
> woman who had an entire collection of those Harlequin Romance paperbacks.
> But isn't it like, you've read one, you've read them all? The names and
> places are different but everything else is pretty much the same.

oh god. i think he's ugly! i shudder at such a beheamoth. he's too greasey and veiny looking.

i've never actually read any of those novels, believe it or not. i read an in-between by an author who is well known, but i can't remember he name off of the top of my head. Danielle Steel? someone like that. i sorta liked it. it had plot, and then it had a few other things which for several reasons we won't mention.....

heh

oh, and of course Lady Chatterleys lover.

> That's where you could come in and mix it up. Add some crazy stuff to keep
> them on their toes.

oh i can be crazy alright....

> The worst part is I didn't just lay around, I did things! And the
> chocolate cake was still the highlight. See what I mean?

i'm trying to recall the highlight of my day....maybe when i was attempting to sing at church choir. i don't even know if that counts at this point. it might have been the highlight of my day, but it probably wasn't theirs!

> Pawn it off on me. I don't even think about calories anymore. I'm thin
> yeah but my insides are probably all clogged up. I went through a stage
> where I had to eat healthy. Bought low fat/fat free products and all that
> crap. Have you ever tasted fat free salad dressing? It will put you off of
> those products for life. I did this for about 2 years then one day I just
> stopped. Just like that. It's been butter, potato chips and pizza since
> then.

ah, wise selection.

i'm eating healthier, but i refuse to buy anything marked "low fat" on it. it's a complete ruse. they pump it up with other shit that's probably worse for you.

instead of eating as much junk, i'll do minor substitutions such as trail mix coz as much as i love all of the sugar stuff, i tend to really feel like shit after i eat it. really tired.

which isn't too bad as i've discovered that i love that stuff.

But what i meant is that i would love to try that cake, but i couldn't imagine having it sitting around my place. at some point, i won't eat it. i don't have any parties to make it for, and i sure as hell don't feel like taking it to work to reward anyone for being the assholes they are.

> I'm talking about chocolate cake and you're talking about acting classes.
> You've made me feel like a complete slug! Argh!!

its interesting. it's musical theater, to be more precise, and i'm a bit sad. i wish Loudon W. wasn't playing on monday. on that night, they are having a crash course in voice lessons which is something i desperately need.

but on the other hand...it's Loudon!