I agree with Morrissey 100%.

He has raised awareness to this issue greatly.

Most animals depend on us greatly. How we treat them speaks volumes about us.

What do you think?

Truly,
Ken

I do agree that animals have rights and that our abuse of them thru such things as factory farming is deeply immoral. I disagree, however, with the proposition (which I think Morrissey might hold) that animals are of equal moral value to humans.

Were it not for his incessant whinging
i do not condone the unfair treatment of animals
however Morrissey must accept that this is part of the process
I think in his view nobody is entitled to eat meat, which is frankly stupid
i respect his opinion, but i think his views are both dull and unintersting

not a personal note

men hunt animals,as a sport it's [the Lords foxhuntings]not done

but what about poor families , who hunt with a dog , as in the past was as common as having 2
pants, 2 shirt, 1 pair of shoes

seen lots of docs about poor peasants whose
harverst went to the Lords as tax for 'farming
on that part of land]

so to shoot a rabbit isn't a crime, but just
a part of surviving

still unknows tribes in the amozone live on hunting, but not for fun, for surviving
That's differnt than men wearing stylish traditional clother [red coat white pants,black
leather boots till the knees]with 100 of dogs
rifing their 100.000 or more horse coming from
a well known bloodline who won prices, drinking
while riding and doing business on their horse,
who follow the dogs who just run after a piece of fur with blood from a fox, which is as silly
as kids these days again find nazisign a nice
part of their outfit [not prince Harry only, still today people tattoo that sorto sign, it's
pure fascism, but they dunno history
As poor farmers hunt an small animal to have something to eat

now we can choose other meals without meat, who
have the vitamines what meat have, or a body need.

Again I'm not talking about Morrissey and his campain but just try as a non englsih person
to explain there were times hunger was stronger than loving animals, and still are tribes who
live deep in the forests of south america, Africa,
and even the asian island who belong to Indonesia/Philipines ot whatever country, but
no stores , just surviving in the jungle

It's an actual relevant poll!

Modern meat farming methods are grotesque in everyway, I agree totally with his indignation.

I do think sometimes though that Morrissey seems to bandy the issue around like he's plugging a DVD or something, which can take gravity away from the issue.

Most of the time he makes vital points, and I'm glad he mentions it, but just sometimes... a little bit... it does make me cringe slightly.

Like in his extract from the autobiography in The Dark Monarch, he goes on about fox hunting, and it's so out of place and unconnected it bothers me...

We should perhaps talk less of 'animal rights' and more of 'human responsibilities'. In order to have rights one must also have responsibilities; do pigs/sheep/cows/chickens have responsibilities? Obviously not. However, humans who wish to lead a moral life have the responsibility not to feed themselves at the expense of the cruel exploitation and death of other creatures.

Kissmyshades

We have done wrong, as people to animals. It's much beyond the Red Queen of Alice in Wonderland, though that character sort of gives us distance from our attitudes and the way we use and take animals for granted. Or even worse, our choice to remain ignorant and cold about the cruelty we cause by our dollar and consumption.

I happened upon a showing of the acclaimed film "Killer of Sheep" directed by Charles Burnett. It was a Cassavetes-like stream-of-consciousness film with a surprising scene at the end: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_of_sheep [wikipedia.org].

Then a while ago, National Public Radio featured the divers who planted hidden cameras to capture the slaughter of dolphins that didn't meet our aesthetic ideals of what their species is supposed to be. It was heartwrenching to listen to their interview. I don't think I could bare to watch the actual film. It was commercially released last year: The Cove: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cove_(film) [wikipedia.org]

Whether we follow the same practices of Moz or not, I believe, imho, that he is quite right about the cruelty and inhumanity of human beings to animals, and about how unhealthy it is for most people to consume flesh food, both on a spiritual and physical level. He is not the only source of this p.o.v., but whenever I come across a reminder, I think of him.

If we acknowledged that animals were more than a piece of furniture for our pleasure/leisure or objects to eat and excrete, would we see each other differently as well? Would we use and abuse each other any less? And maybe would we achieve something more productive than power-grabbing and one-upmanship?

Thanks to Morrissey publicising the inhuman ways we treat animals ,people have become aware and have become veggies.Morrissey is 100% right,God bless him.

... I mostly agree with him.

I don't agree with his moral justification of the violent animal rights minority; humans are animals, ergo no violence should be used against any living creature.

When it comes down to it there's a lot of philosophical and scientific debate you'd have to wade through to make a sound moral judgement on animal rights. I can't pretend to be well read enough on the subject, but two books I recommend are 'The Pig Who Sang To The Moon' (a bit saccharine in places, but it makes a good argument about farming animals and it turned me into a vegetarian) and 'The Pig Who Wants to be Eaten' (which can be a bit 'philosophy for dummies', but it's interesting and persuasive nontheless).

I would love to see a world where animals live and die naturally in all circumstances, but even if we outlaw the killing of animals in every practical situation, there are still some enclaves of human existence where killing animals in order to improve, or guarantee survival is essential. And preservation of the species is the ultimate drive in ourselves and every other animal on this planet.

I change my mind so much on this issue. I love my boyfriend more than anything and he eats meat. He's also happy to eat any meat substitute when cooking for the both of us, but I wouldn't try to force him to give up meat totally. Neither would I be able to stay with him if he were one of the anti-veggie brigade who delight in mocking the animal rights contingent.

Anyway, it can be a very complicated issue, even if you adore Morrissey beyond reason.

what i would like to do to the animal hunters let them be the hunted, so me and moz can watch them run and scream whilst we terrorise them like they do to the animals!

The choices are flawed. There's a difference between disagreeing with somebody and finding their views disagreeable.

I think if you're against eating meat it's ok, but it's a matter of personal choices. If you have anything against it, don't do it, but let others take their decissions.

the old argument of 'well we've always done it' doesn't hold water anymore. we used to burn people at stakes, and thought slavery was a pretty good idea for many centuries. humans don't need to eat meat/kill animals to survive anymore. it happens still because of money (there's such a big meat industry) and because were lazy. but its no longer a need

im nota vegetarian. idont believe animals should share similar rights and protections as humans. ive vehemently deplored Morrissey's choice to boycott Canada over the seal hunt issue (a completely stupid reaction which ibelieve does more to hurt his cause than help it). but ican understand his point of view and do respect it for the most part.

to me, vegetarianism/animal rights is very similar to the pro-choice/pro-life debate. if you're pro-choice, you still cant really fault the pro-lifers becos bottome line for them is that it comes down to life and death. same goes for animal rights- there is definitely an argument to be made there and that argument is in the defence of life. you hav to respect that.

Vegetarianism (the rejection of meat or animal-derived products)is a trend (obviously) only relevant in the richest countries of the world (basically the US and Canada and certain European countries). I suppose the rest of the planet just tries to survive, eating meat or whatever they can. Just trying to put things in perspective.

Boaring

Not to mention the 'secondary" uses baboons have according to Mr Proper.