Do you agree with Morrissey's view on animal rights? (suggested by Kewpie)
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Yes, I totally agree with him.   51% 885 / 51%
No, his view on the issue is disagreeable.   18% 320 / 18%
I'm indifferent to his view on the issue.   30% 529 / 30%
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Animals are dependent upon us all... (Score:2, Insightful)
I agree with Morrissey 100%.

He has raised awareness to this issue greatly.

Most animals depend on us greatly. How we treat them speaks volumes about us.

What do you think?

Truly,
Ken
sycophantic_slag -- Saturday March 20 2010, @05:19PM (#350367)
(User #3940 Info)
"And I just can't explain/ So I won't even try to."
Mostly Agree (Score:0)
I do agree that animals have rights and that our abuse of them thru such things as factory farming is deeply immoral. I disagree, however, with the proposition (which I think Morrissey might hold) that animals are of equal moral value to humans.
Anonymous -- Saturday March 20 2010, @06:41PM (#350368)
Yes and No (Score:0)
Were it not for his incessant whinging
i do not condone the unfair treatment of animals
however Morrissey must accept that this is part of the process
I think in his view nobody is entitled to eat meat, which is frankly stupid
i respect his opinion, but i think his views are both dull and unintersting
Anonymous -- Sunday March 21 2010, @05:15AM (#350376)
    that's what tradition means (Score:1)
    not a personal note

    men hunt animals,as a sport it's [the Lords foxhuntings]not done

    but what about poor families , who hunt with a dog , as in the past was as common as having 2
    pants, 2 shirt, 1 pair of shoes

    seen lots of docs about poor peasants whose
    harverst went to the Lords as tax for 'farming
    on that part of land]

    so to shoot a rabbit isn't a crime, but just
    a part of surviving

    still unknows tribes in the amozone live on hunting, but not for fun, for surviving
    That's differnt than men wearing stylish traditional clother [red coat white pants,black
    leather boots till the knees]with 100 of dogs
    rifing their 100.000 or more horse coming from
    a well known bloodline who won prices, drinking
    while riding and doing business on their horse,
    who follow the dogs who just run after a piece of fur with blood from a fox, which is as silly
    as kids these days again find nazisign a nice
    part of their outfit [not prince Harry only, still today people tattoo that sorto sign, it's
    pure fascism, but they dunno history
    As poor farmers hunt an small animal to have something to eat

    now we can choose other meals without meat, who
    have the vitamines what meat have, or a body need.

    Again I'm not talking about Morrissey and his campain but just try as a non englsih person
    to explain there were times hunger was stronger than loving animals, and still are tribes who
    live deep in the forests of south america, Africa,
    and even the asian island who belong to Indonesia/Philipines ot whatever country, but
    no stores , just surviving in the jungle
    Celibate Cry <vauxhall@mail2uk.com> -- Sunday March 21 2010, @08:10AM (#350381)
    (User #220 Info)
    and the hills are alive with celibate cries
      What's going on here? (Score:2, Funny)
      It's an actual relevant poll!
      Georgissey <m0zc0re@yahoo.co.uk> -- Sunday March 21 2010, @01:54PM (#350387)
      (User #22903 Info)
      Agree totally with the sentiment (Score:0)
      Modern meat farming methods are grotesque in everyway, I agree totally with his indignation.

      I do think sometimes though that Morrissey seems to bandy the issue around like he's plugging a DVD or something, which can take gravity away from the issue.

      Most of the time he makes vital points, and I'm glad he mentions it, but just sometimes... a little bit... it does make me cringe slightly.

      Like in his extract from the autobiography in The Dark Monarch, he goes on about fox hunting, and it's so out of place and unconnected it bothers me...
      Anonymous -- Monday March 22 2010, @10:21AM (#350401)
        Animal Rights? (Score:1, Interesting)
        We should perhaps talk less of 'animal rights' and more of 'human responsibilities'. In order to have rights one must also have responsibilities; do pigs/sheep/cows/chickens have responsibilities? Obviously not. However, humans who wish to lead a moral life have the responsibility not to feed themselves at the expense of the cruel exploitation and death of other creatures.

        Kissmyshades
        Anonymous -- Monday March 22 2010, @06:18PM (#350403)
        Moz is right (Score:2, Interesting)
        We have done wrong, as people to animals. It's much beyond the Red Queen of Alice in Wonderland, though that character sort of gives us distance from our attitudes and the way we use and take animals for granted. Or even worse, our choice to remain ignorant and cold about the cruelty we cause by our dollar and consumption.

        I happened upon a showing of the acclaimed film "Killer of Sheep" directed by Charles Burnett. It was a Cassavetes-like stream-of-consciousness film with a surprising scene at the end: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_of_sheep [wikipedia.org].

        Then a while ago, National Public Radio featured the divers who planted hidden cameras to capture the slaughter of dolphins that didn't meet our aesthetic ideals of what their species is supposed to be. It was heartwrenching to listen to their interview. I don't think I could bare to watch the actual film. It was commercially released last year: The Cove: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cove_(film) [wikipedia.org]

        Whether we follow the same practices of Moz or not, I believe, imho, that he is quite right about the cruelty and inhumanity of human beings to animals, and about how unhealthy it is for most people to consume flesh food, both on a spiritual and physical level. He is not the only source of this p.o.v., but whenever I come across a reminder, I think of him.

        If we acknowledged that animals were more than a piece of furniture for our pleasure/leisure or objects to eat and excrete, would we see each other differently as well? Would we use and abuse each other any less? And maybe would we achieve something more productive than power-grabbing and one-upmanship?

        romeogirl -- Monday March 22 2010, @11:13PM (#350405)
        (User #2891 Info)
        god bless morrissey (Score:0)
        Thanks to Morrissey publicising the inhuman ways we treat animals ,people have become aware and have become veggies.Morrissey is 100% right,God bless him.
        Anonymous -- Wednesday March 24 2010, @07:59AM (#350431)
          How to say ... (Score:2, Interesting)
          ... I mostly agree with him.

          I don't agree with his moral justification of the violent animal rights minority; humans are animals, ergo no violence should be used against any living creature.

          When it comes down to it there's a lot of philosophical and scientific debate you'd have to wade through to make a sound moral judgement on animal rights. I can't pretend to be well read enough on the subject, but two books I recommend are 'The Pig Who Sang To The Moon' (a bit saccharine in places, but it makes a good argument about farming animals and it turned me into a vegetarian) and 'The Pig Who Wants to be Eaten' (which can be a bit 'philosophy for dummies', but it's interesting and persuasive nontheless).

          I would love to see a world where animals live and die naturally in all circumstances, but even if we outlaw the killing of animals in every practical situation, there are still some enclaves of human existence where killing animals in order to improve, or guarantee survival is essential. And preservation of the species is the ultimate drive in ourselves and every other animal on this planet.

          I change my mind so much on this issue. I love my boyfriend more than anything and he eats meat. He's also happy to eat any meat substitute when cooking for the both of us, but I wouldn't try to force him to give up meat totally. Neither would I be able to stay with him if he were one of the anti-veggie brigade who delight in mocking the animal rights contingent.

          Anyway, it can be a very complicated issue, even if you adore Morrissey beyond reason.
          Mozzersgirl -- Wednesday March 24 2010, @04:42PM (#350440)
          (User #14229 Info)
          "There's more evil in the charts than in an al-Qaeda suggestion box" - Bill Bailey
          foxhunt (Score:0)
          what i would like to do to the animal hunters let them be the hunted, so me and moz can watch them run and scream whilst we terrorise them like they do to the animals!
          bigdeal111111 -- Saturday March 27 2010, @11:09AM (#350491)
          (User #17130 Info)
            Mis-stated Choice (Score:0)
            The choices are flawed. There's a difference between disagreeing with somebody and finding their views disagreeable.
            Anonymous -- Sunday March 28 2010, @05:59AM (#350502)
              Pro-choice (Score:0)
              I think if you're against eating meat it's ok, but it's a matter of personal choices. If you have anything against it, don't do it, but let others take their decissions.
              Anonymous -- Sunday March 28 2010, @08:42AM (#350503)
                well we've always done it (Score:0, Interesting)
                the old argument of 'well we've always done it' doesn't hold water anymore. we used to burn people at stakes, and thought slavery was a pretty good idea for many centuries. humans don't need to eat meat/kill animals to survive anymore. it happens still because of money (there's such a big meat industry) and because were lazy. but its no longer a need
                Anonymous -- Sunday March 28 2010, @06:26PM (#350508)
                do iagree? no. do iunderstand? yes. (Score:1)
                im nota vegetarian. idont believe animals should share similar rights and protections as humans. ive vehemently deplored Morrissey's choice to boycott Canada over the seal hunt issue (a completely stupid reaction which ibelieve does more to hurt his cause than help it). but ican understand his point of view and do respect it for the most part.

                to me, vegetarianism/animal rights is very similar to the pro-choice/pro-life debate. if you're pro-choice, you still cant really fault the pro-lifers becos bottome line for them is that it comes down to life and death. same goes for animal rights- there is definitely an argument to be made there and that argument is in the defence of life. you hav to respect that.
                chrisarclark <clarkinatorclark@hotmail.com> -- Sunday March 28 2010, @07:08PM (#350510)
                (User #9259 Info)
                "I'm just passing through here on my way to somewhere civilized and maybe I'll even arrive, maybe I'll even arrive..."
                  Perspective (Score:3, Insightful)
                  Vegetarianism (the rejection of meat or animal-derived products)is a trend (obviously) only relevant in the richest countries of the world (basically the US and Canada and certain European countries). I suppose the rest of the planet just tries to survive, eating meat or whatever they can. Just trying to put things in perspective.
                  Anonymous -- Tuesday March 30 2010, @03:56AM (#350531)
                    this question is (Score:0)
                    Boaring
                    Anonymous -- Thursday April 01 2010, @09:00AM (#350546)
                      Nope . Animals are just too tasty Mate ! (Score:0)
                      Not to mention the 'secondary" uses baboons have according to Mr Proper.
                      Anonymous -- Monday April 05 2010, @12:25AM (#350592)
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