not another single please. game over.

If moz keeps complaining about how little (or none) attention his last album is getting from the media, there's absolutely no way that putting a 7-minute-long song out as a single is gonna make things any better. It is a great song, but i think the best would be to keep it to ourselves rather than selling it out.
The only potential hit single the album has left is, of course, "to me you are a work of art"...

An edited version released in the run-up to xmas with all proceeds going to The Samaritans.

it should be "Life Is A Pigsty". no other song on the album has the power to generate any interest outside his regular fanbase- if "In The Future When All's Well" didnt, no other 3-5min prototypical pop single will.

a single like "I Just Want To See The Boy Happy" or "To Me You Are A Work Of Art" will go unnoticed by those not already enamoured by all things Moz. theyre great songs, but theyre not the type of songs that will turn the heads of the deaf.

"I Will See You In Far Off Places" could hav been a good first single, but its too late in the game to release it now. besides, it would turn off as many people as it turns on due to its extreme and overt politics.

"Dear God, Please Help Me" is a head turner if you actually listen to whats being said/sung, but most people wont- and its even more awkward a single from a standards point of view anyway.

"The Father Who Must Be Killed" and "On The Streets I Ran" juste dont seem to work as singles in my mind, and again idont think theyd stop too many non-Moz fans in their tracks.

"At Last I Am Born" is striking, but again this is mostly the case for people who know the whole Moz backstory. and its not really single material either.

"Life Is A Pigsty" is by far the most striking song on the album. lyrically, its very widely accessible and although it is nearly seven and a half minutes long, ithink at this point that would be a plus. by the time an artist is releasing the fourth single off an album there seems to be little interest outside the die-hards, but if you release a 7min single that in itself is something to talk about. its a spectacular track that even if you dont like you hav to be somewhat impressed by it. its the only song left that would really be able to surprise people and draw them in. isay release it- itd be a classic final single to the album.

there better be some pretty damn good (original, studio) b-sides.
i'm not in love with pigsty to begin with but that is another matter.

Nothing will change the mins of the general public that this is a dull album by Morrissey's standards.

Morrissey needs to retire or do something audacious but I doubt he will.

I predicted before this album that only one more mid-paced rock record would be tolerated.

If he attempts to put out another similarly mediocre effort, that will be the very end for Morrissey. He is no longer 'essential' but in truth he's not even all that good these days.

broken

ROTT is now dead in the water. Let's just forget the whole sorry mess (except ...Pigsty) and move on. He needs a new direction, a new band, a new writing partner. Somebody a while ago on one of the forums mentioned Burt Bacharach...well that might be start. Or give Michael Stipe or Peter Buck a call. Just do something different PLEASE.

I think the album was actually pretty strong, but the songs that stand out for me "dear god" and "pigsty" are clearly not single material. And the singles that have been released have been pretty boring, but have had some really memorable bsides (namely: ganglord).

So I voted to not release any more singles from this album. New singles will just lead to more record sales angst from Morrissey himself!

it's an amazing song!!, I saw the live interpretation in Siberia (in youtube) and I can't believe the power I have noticed before on it!, is haunting, charming, painful, the misery itself spawned on those lyrics and voice..

I have to agree with those begging Morrissey to take a chance and try something different. Please work with someone other than this band, which respectfully, has proven a very good group many times. Even with a new songwriter in the mix, the music is continuing with absolutley no surprises. I just find myself feeling like "that could've been off Southpaw, that could've been from Arsenal..." etc. There is no passion left in them for the live shows or the studio. I think perhaps Morrissey chains them to certain styles which he believes suit his voice best. Let it Go. Try something different. Even a new haircut could be the change you need. TAKE A CHANCE MORRISSEY. This current road leads nowhere. I say all of this out of Love. Free yourself.

- Man of Vision

The damage is simply too pervasive. We can deal with the obvious... then we need to look hard and discuss a bit maybe.

Was anyone expecting another single from Ringleader? It is obvious that the radio stations just don't want to know, so if another single was released, it would be the record company trying to take more money from us. The greedy fuckers.

Great track but this does not help the image of pigs..Pigs are clever,clean intelligent animals left to own devices,factory farmings the downer...

Unless there is a second leg to the tour there is no reason for another single. In fact, even if there is a new leg there is no reason to issue anything more. This was a poor quality album and it needs to go away. Sorry Moz but it's true.
thetexasbloke

There really is no point in Morrissey doing another of his "let's release something odd from my not very good album as a single" routine. They are, in the large part, good songs- but the production killed that album. As time goes by it is sliding rapidly into the "Kill Uncle" territory of only ever going on my stereo to hear a couple of tunes (turned down fairly low because they sound shit loud), which is a shame, but inevitable.

The only thing he could do that would redeem this turkey is to release a new live album- because live they sounded a lot better.

But in all truth, unless he dumps the current bunch of 'yes men', goes back to the studio and does something brilliant and different a la "Vauxhall" then it's over.

Between now and the G-Mex gigs would be a good time to put out a one-off single - like the good old days - everyone would buy it and it would get a good chart position unlike another release off ROTT backed by some live b-side shite

I don't think another single should be released. Pigsty will stand the test of time without being pushed onto a market that isn't about good quality songs any more.

I heard Quarry and couldn't work out why I wanted to play it again because I hated the production. Then I heard some tracks recorded live and realised there were some great songs buried underneath. I always prefer to hear live music, or live recordings because, for whatever reason, studio recordings lack the energy and passion.
For this reason I'd like to have a tour CD /film released.

I think M is doing what he does best, that is he's doing his best so there's no point in moaning if you don't like it. Just ...switch off the CD and go listen to something to something more interesting instead.

There has been change in what M writes because, as time passes and experience teaches our view of ourselves, of others and of what has passed changes. Isn't Christian Dior touching on this? Wondering with hindsight how things might have been if...

But we only know this because of those passed years, and we had to live them in order to understand..and all anyone can do is their best with the personal resources at their disposal at that moment...

Ah, I've lost myself, so I hope I havn't confused you too. I was working all night! And was up 'till four on Sunday night working on a painting..

g'night

Sinistra

I agree with everyone who critized Life a Pigsty as the 'upcoming' singles or else

heaven knows it should have to be stopped from the last single. all i want is a new, fresh, unpredictable,and more charming as usual. let's start a brand new deal from Morrissey

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It is also the number of times Life Is A Pigsty would be played on the radio.

Oh dear. It's all rather depressing.

One of the wonderful things about Morrissey (up until 1995) was his regard for the single as art form.

Or something.

This Charming Man, Heaven Knows, William, Shakespeare's Sister, The Boy With The Thorn, Panic, Ask, Shoplifters and Sheila were all originally stand alone singles. What heady days!

No singles were released from "The Smiths" or "The Queen Is Dead" after their release.

Only one single was released from "Meat Is Murder".

Post-Smiths, this love of and respect for the single (and the people who bought them) continued, despite being with a major label:

Last of the Famous, Interesting Drug, November, Picadilly, Pregnant, Love Life, Interlude, Boxers and Sunny all stand alone singles.

Only two singles from "Viva Hate" despite it being a number 1 album.

Only two singles released from "Vauxhall and I"
despite it being a number 1 album.

And so on.

Quarry having 4 singles on seemed a pragmatic acceptance of the way of the world (like doing Jonathan Ross) - but at least one could argue that they were all worth buying because of the b-sides.

I bought You Have Killed Me but didn't like the b-sides and so didn't bother with the other two singles (1st time since Interesting Drug). On a whim bought In the Future last week (whilst buying the wife's birthday presents) with the Christian Dior b-side - very good b-side and it made me laugh out loud (even on 2nd playing)... but I seem to have heard it all before.

White and Boorer have done some good things with Morrissey - why not stick with them but get a decent producer in?

Either that or give up.

Jesse Tobias is without redemption.

Quite as bad as Raise the Pressure. Ouch.

I would like a remixed version of "Life is a Pigsty" released as a single. A side: a radio edit of 4 minutes. B side: an organ grinding club mix of 12 minutes.

The remix should be done be Rollo & Sister Bliss. Or Stuart Price.

For the video I have just two words: Morrissey and Spandex.

would work on the radio

A duet would be a treaty one off single

might help revitalise things for Moz too... give him a bit more bite.

Surfjan Stevens?

Stephen Merritt?

The Dears?

(The remaining members of Queen - sic)

Winnie Wong thinks the song is about the Vice Magazine crowd. How her gang don't wash themselves and have sex with the floor. She thinks it's a happy song and I guess it is. Winnie Wong says Morrissey is senile though so maybe the song's about anything?

I don't think that Life Is A Pigsty should be the next single simply because it is too beautiful! I actually cried when he played it live, and even now, after hearing it hundreds of times, I still get goosebumps. Releasing it would sort of...spoil it. Having it cut off after 3 minutes on commercial radio stations and given ratings out of five in newspapers...no, leave it as an album track, keep it sacred!

If any other song is released it should be the fantastic streets i ran.This song helps tell how Morrissey feels about himself and has tried to come to terms with his own life so he can channel his frustrations against the tyrants in this world. Pigsty is a classic but should remain an album track for die hards to enjoy.

Pigsty works not only because Mozza "lets loose the hounds," but because it is wonderfully constructed and executed. Alain put together a wonderful trilogy. The song unfolds beautifully, and the cacaphony toward the end is exquisite. I love the percussion and that soaring guitar work - operatic and uplifting. I don't know who played it, but it totally works. Elsewhere on the album the guitars are a bit plodding, but here they shine.

Despite his undeniably iconic presence, Morrissey needs top-notch songwriting to really push him to his limits. Let's hope there is more of this to come.

If The Smiths were around today, they could confidently release any number of the fantastic singles and be assured of success. However Morrisseys lyrical ability has lost its way, and the guitar playing is really not even half as good as anything Johnny ever did.
For this reason theres really no point in Morrissey releasing any more singles, they're just not good enough.

i think it should be a double a-side release with pigsty/bappy and have both versions of pigsty on the cd singles. at least radio 2 would play it. and this with coincide nicely with the xmas tour with 3 new bsides too.

are the clowns at sanctuary responsible for picking these clinkers?the "b" sides should be the "a" sides dammit."ganglord","if you don't like me",wonderful.and they should have lead off with "i will see you in far off places"."you have killed me" was catchy,but no shelf life.

He could release "I will see you in far-off places" as a single.

I think that 'Life Is A Pigsty' would have made a good single, but it most likely would have been edited. In my opinion, some energy and fire could have been lost in an edited version as it is a song in which every second cannot be missed.

Besides, there is no 'real point' in releasing another single off of the album. I have heard that there were some left over songs from the April sessions of this year, which could possibly become available if Morrissey happens to release 'I Just Want To See The Boy Happy' or another fourth single.

''I just want to see the boy happy'' is a good choice for the next single. I also think that, as Morrissey is criminally underplayed on British radio, he should do lots more television. Apart from Jonathan Ross and Jools Holland he should do Ant and Dec, GMTV and Paul O'Grady etc. He wouldn't have to take part in any shenanigans just go on and sing. These shows have huge viewing figures and if he can't get on the radio he should be blasting into as many british living rooms as possible in peak viewing time to get people to hear the records.