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Dagenham Dave and Southpaw Grammar were released 10 years ago. What's your favourite song on these releases? (suggested by Johan de Witt)
Displaying poll results.
The Teachers Are Afraid Of The Pupils   8% 428 / 8%
Reader Meet Author   8% 431 / 8%
The Boy Racer   17% 895 / 17%
The Operation   7% 384 / 7%
Dagenham Dave   5% 306 / 5%
Do Your Best And Don't Worry   6% 340 / 6%
Best Friend On The Payroll   4% 234 / 4%
Southpaw   12% 669 / 12%
Nobody Loves Us   24% 1299 / 24%
You Must Please Remember   4% 234 / 4%
5220 total votes.

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  • Don't complain about lack of options. You've got to pick a few when you do multiple choice. Those are the breaks.
  • Feel free to suggest poll ideas if you're feeling creative. I'd strongly suggest reading the past polls first.
  • This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane.

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Dagenham Dave and Southpaw Grammar were released 10 years ago. What's your favourite song on these releases? (suggested by Johan | Log in/Create an Account | Top | 158 comments | Search Discussion
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nobody loves us (Score:1)
an unsung, underappreciated gem, better than many 'a' sides. 'make us our favourite jam'... does it get any better?
auntie edith -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @07:07AM (#175519)
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You Must Please Remember (Score:1)
We must please remember this awesome B-side aswell, from the main album i should say "Best Friend on the Payroll".
Kerki -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @07:29AM (#175525)
(User #13639 Info | http://www.librarium-online.com/ )
 Im sinking in the quicksand of my mind
Southpaw - 10 songs (Score:1)
I actually like Southpaw quite a lot, certainly a lot more than Kill Uncle or Maladjusted, but part of why I wasn't so enthusiastic when it came out was that there were only 8 songs on it and some of the lyrics were quite sparse (DD and Best Friend especially). I think the brilliance of The Teachers, Reader Meet Author and Southpaw makes up for it though and Boy racer is a great single.

This poll shows that it could have been even better if Nobody Loves Us had been on it as well. It could well be the best song from this period, but it was only on the single - as a b-side!
Perhaps Moz's greatest error in judgement as far as album's tracklistings are concerned ever.
Johan de Witt <johandewitt2@yahoo.com> -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @07:50AM (#175533)
(User #4231 Info)
Southpaw (Score:0)
I still love Southpaw like a fat kid loves candy. You Must Please Remember has been stuck in my head for days now, tho.
lisa * <lisayvette@austin.rr.com> -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @07:54AM (#175536)
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    MP3 anyone? Nobody Loves Us (Score:1)
    Does anyone have an MP3 or know where i might get one of Nobody Loves Us? I've never heard it.

    Thank you.
    Colette -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @08:12AM (#175537)
    (User #13384 Info)
     Pleasure for beautiful bodies. Pain for beautiful souls.
    I just had to.... you understand.... Right ? (Score:0)
    I had to choose the song "Southpaw". "Nobody Loves Us" is a very close second. I find myself playing the SOUTHPAW album more often than the other studio releases (Only b-sides beat it).Southpaw seems like a more personal album for the band and that seem to make it more personal to me. It still seems strange with the way Morrissey sings, that he sometimes prefers such heavy music. I guess with his influences as a teenager it makes perfect sense though. Some of my rocker-ish friends who hate Morrissey really get into certain songs at first, like "You're gonna need Someone..." or "Boy Racer", then Morrissey starts singing and they always say, "Oh, it's him. Turn it off". I always think they're missing out on a crucial and wonderful part of life with their inability to appreciate the MAN ! Pity.

    -Man of Vision
    Anonymous -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @08:18AM (#175538)
      Re:I just had to.... you understand.... Right ? (Score:2, Funny)
      Get some cooler friends ;)
      ATLpunk -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @11:26AM (#175572)
      (User #13585 Info)
      [ Parent ]
      typical bl**dy Morrissey! (Score:0, Informative)
      he takes the very worst song from the entire session and puts it out as the lead-off single.
      he takes (quite possibly) the very best song he's ever written and hides it on the b-side. what a fool.

      he did the same with YRTQ. the dreadful, embarassing, utterly charmless Irish Blood as first single with the gorgeous, poetic, elegiac 'Never played symphonies' on the b-side.

      anyone else really wish his record company or co-songwriters had a bit more clout in deciding which songs get chosen for singles, albums and b-sides from each session?
      Maurice
      Anonymous -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @08:27AM (#175543)
      Reader Meet Author (Score:0)
      It seems to me that this song is somewhat underrated. The tune is pretty catchy, and the lyrics are really clever. Morrissey apparently liked it enough to put it on My Early Burglary Years, if that means anything.
      Anonymous -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @08:39AM (#175548)
      There is something i want u to know (Score:0)
      or any time he sings about women
      are amoung my favorites ~
      have always like the song southpaw
      not a big , big 'music' person
      need lyrics .. but love the fade out and
      dont (for some reason)think it goes on too long
      unlike 'teachers'
      but iam sure it will place
      low on poll ..

      markmustb1
      Anonymous -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @08:51AM (#175552)
        Never loosen the grip on our hands! (Score:1)
        "Nobody Loves Us" -- one of Morrissey's best "big" songs. Wonderful hearing it played on the Maladjusted tour in '97.

        Ahh, Mozzer...give us a sign!
        king leer * -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @10:12AM (#175562)
        (User #80 Info)
        "Teachers" (Score:2, Insightful)
        It's a myth that "Nobody Loves Us" is underrated. ALl Morrissey fans claim to love it, and it regularly features in top 30 smiths/morrissey polls etc.

        It's become a little overrated. It's a nice song, but no more.

        "Teachers" is a little slice of genius.

        broken
        Anonymous -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @10:33AM (#175563)
          Easily my favorite Morrissey LP. (Score:1)
          10 years ago?

          Arrrrghh!
          BBC Scum -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @10:35AM (#175564)
          (User #8427 Info)
            Standing at the urinal... (Score:1)
            "Boy Racer" is the only truly good song on the album. I really dig the guitar riff here; very glam-metal.

            The rest of Southpaw did nothing for me, although he kind of prophesized Columbine on "Teachers", didn't he? I'm surprised people never mention that.
            ATLpunk -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @11:23AM (#175571)
            (User #13585 Info)
            2 Great Songs (Score:0)
            Nobody Loves Us/The Boy Racer. :Þ
            Anonymous -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @11:36AM (#175575)
              Teachers (Score:2, Interesting)
              I admit, I really did not appreciate this album when it first came out. I guess I was still longing for another "Vauxhall," but I was younger and dumber. After I gave up all of my own contrived nonsense of what I expected a Morrissey release to sound like, and gave it a chance, I learned to love this album. It really has it's own unique sound, IMO. First off, 'Teachers' is epic, and my favorite by far. Do Your Best.... is also another gem, that shouldn' be overlooked. Boy Racer is always going to be special, because it just rocks, and was always one of the highlights of the 99/00 tour. That is one song I miss from the live sets. And, the banana, became and even lewder object than it already was.
              Sharron Needles -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @11:39AM (#175576)
              (User #762 Info)
               Inside every adult male is a denied little boy -Nancy Friday
                Reader Meet Author (Score:1)
                This track has always been my favourite on Southpaw. Mostly because it was being played in the background the moment I met Morrissey face to face in Virgin Megastore in Belfast in August 1995 during his instore signing there. Appropiate? Yes, it was!
                Mickey Vegas -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @11:52AM (#175579)
                (User #4389 Info | http://www.myspace.com/ferry76 )
                  "Nobody Loves Us" (Score:1)
                  I'll be dead, so I won't know if this wish will come into fruition, but I am going to make certain in my will that "Nobody Loves Us" is played during the services. Then, I would like everyone to go to my favorite beach, La Jolla Cove, and pass the urn around and each take out a little scoop and throw these to the winds on the jetty (preferably at night.) I would then like a wake of some sort where everyone gets bloody smashed and has a GREAT time. There. That is what I desire.
                  Kali1962 -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @01:53PM (#175589)
                  (User #13865 Info)
                    Do Your Best and Don't Worry (Score:1)
                    I voted for this one because of the wise counsel Moz gives in its lyrics. These are words to live by. How many pop songs can do that?
                    booboomja -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @02:22PM (#175598)
                    (User #3999 Info)
                    Poor Representation in the USA (Score:2, Interesting)
                    "Southpaw" is sheer genius. I can tell you that the main problem is as follows:

                    The album and the songs received absolutely no attention by the US radio stations/record stores.

                    Not even the "alternative" or "album-oriented" radio stations mentioned/promoted this album.

                    In my opinion, Sanctuary/Attack did NO work at all in promoting YATQ in the US, either. Morrissey has been cursed historically by poor representation in the US. The stations simply won't play his music- and I live in a major city- CHICAGO.

                    The main station in Chicago (for Morrissey's "genre" of music) is 93XRT. This station has played 8 Morrissey songs total over the past 12 years. No kidding. The record stores here in Chicago had very little if any advertising for YATQ let alone "Southpaw."

                    Any comments? Is this only a Chicago perspective here in the US? I do know for a fact that Morrissey receives 1,000 times more publicity in the UK.

                    Sincerely,

                    Ken Stavitzke
                    sycophantic_slag -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @02:39PM (#175601)
                    (User #3940 Info)
                     "And I just can't explain/ So I won't even try to."
                    Nobody Loves Us (Score:0)
                    I voted for 'Nobody Loves us.' The Pain- The Hurt- The great song! I also liked 'Reader Meet Author', 'The Operation', 'Do Your Best...', 'Southpaw' and 'Boy Racer'. 'Dagenham Dave' was the wrong single and wrong video for this CD. 'Boy Racer' should have been the first single. Had it been the first single it would have sold better. This was a very under rated, under played CD.
                    thetexasbloke
                    Anonymous -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @03:07PM (#175602)
                      Scalpel Please! (Score:1, Informative)
                      The Operation is a classic Morrissey song. It could have fit seamlessly onto any Moz solo album.
                      There is very little else to love here. I know Nobody Loves Us will win this poll - never really understood the attraction to that one. Just contrived, boring and whiney("born again atheists" -oooooh so witty). No, Operation is the best number here. It's so sadly overlooked so often, I have to imagine, because of that disasterous, mindless hemorrhoid of a drum solo intro. You must please remember people...it's The Operation....surgically remove it!

                      -The Treading Lemming

                      "one of our psychadelic beakers is missing"
                      Anonymous -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @05:42PM (#175621)
                        I vote in the following manner: (Score:1)
                        Monday: Teachers Are Affraid of Pupils
                        Tuesday: Best Friend on the Payroll
                        Wednesday (today): Southpaw
                        Thursday: Still Southpaw
                        Friday: Reader Meets Author (for the whole day)
                        Saturday: Alma Matters (in the car); I slid out of the poll
                        Sunday: The Boy Racer (so Sundays won't be so slow)
                        next week: He Cried will be voted the most telling song of my life; until my mood calls for Jack the Ripper!
                        Mrs. Woolf -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @05:44PM (#175623)
                        (User #14157 Info)
                          Alain Whyte's Masterpiece (Score:1, Insightful)
                          Southpaw Grammar is Alain Whyte's masterpiece.
                          Anonymous -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @06:47PM (#175630)
                            Reader Meet Author (Score:1)
                            It was a hard chose. Southpaw Grammar and it's b-sides include many great songs.

                            But my fave is Reader Meet Author, because it's so freaking TRUE.

                                 
                            LoafingOaf * <franticflintstoneNO@SPAMgmail.com> -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @06:47PM (#175631)
                            (User #778 Info)
                             Fuck it, Dude. Let's go bowling.
                            • chose=choice by LoafingOaf (Score:1) Wednesday August 17 2005, @06:51PM
                              The Drum Operation (Score:2, Insightful)
                              A lot of people don't like the epic drum solo at the beginning of The Operation (interested to hear what any drummers out there think). I've always been impressed by it (despite a somewhat jarring edit toward the climax). Spencer just going full out and then the guitars crash in and Morrissey is right into the combination of love & violence that defines the Southpaw era. Excellent!

                              As I've said before, Southpaw may not be Morrissey's greatest album, but it's definitely the best to play in one sitting, which is the only way I play it.

                              king leer * -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @07:30PM (#175633)
                              (User #80 Info)
                              Now you all come out of the dark (Score:0)
                              Now all these people come out and say which song they love and how much they love it while a few months ago or so these albums were called crap!?
                              Anonymous -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @07:31PM (#175634)
                              "southpaw." (Score:1)
                              hands down, one of my favorite morrissey songs ever and that is saying a lot.
                              "you must please remember" is sadly overlooked and quite amazing as well...
                              neal -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @09:23PM (#175639)
                              (User #799 Info | http://www.myspace.com/newlands )
                                nobody loves us (Score:0)
                                I thought southpaw grammar was a decent album. Yes the lyrics were a bit half assed but the songs were decent. I think if the world of morrissey rare tracks, the 95' b-sides and southpaw grammar would have been mixed into one album then SG would have done better.
                                leedoggpimp <leedoggpimp@hotmail.com> -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @09:50PM (#175641)
                                (User #2789 Info | http://www.morrisseymusic.com/ )
                                 True friends stab you in the front.
                                  Southpaw vs. Northpole. (Score:1)
                                  No, seriously, to me SG is thee underrated jewel in Mozzer's discography. While being hard to swallow at first, eventually it evolves into a true gem, musically & lyrically. Isn't it funny, that so many people complain about Morrissey/Whyte/Boorer not daring something new, and when they do/did, everyone's complaining the same. My favourites on the actual album must be "The Operation", cos the moment he begins with the "You fight with your right hand..." line is one of his best and most passionate vocal deliveries ever, and "Best Friend On The Payroll", merely also for the amazing melodiy-concious singing, despite the more raw musical background. OF course the B-sides to DD are priceless too!! Hm, thinking of it, the whole SP era is quite special anyway, be it his (not very critically acclaimed) status at that particular time, his pictures, and above all, the bold musical step he/they took.
                                  Opolus -- Wednesday August 17 2005, @11:16PM (#175643)
                                  (User #5987 Info)
                                   "Slit my eyes, for they'll remember..."
                                  Later... (Score:0)
                                  Do you not remember Morrissey on "Later...with Twat Holland" in mod suits with a massive mock-up of the record cover in the background? Think they played Sunny as well as Boy Racer? STUNNING!!!

                                  10 years ago? god we are getting old!
                                  Anonymous -- Thursday August 18 2005, @12:35AM (#175646)
                                  • Re:Later... by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday August 18 2005, @12:52AM
                                    • Re:Later... by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday August 18 2005, @02:36AM
                                    • Re:Later... by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday August 18 2005, @04:21AM
                                      • Re:Later... by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday August 18 2005, @04:37AM
                                        • Re:Later... by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday August 18 2005, @06:38AM
                                          • Re:Later... by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday August 18 2005, @06:57AM
                                            • Re:Later... by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday August 18 2005, @09:25AM
                                              • Re:Later... by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday August 18 2005, @11:33AM
                                            • Re:Later... by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday August 18 2005, @07:49AM
                                          • Re:Later... by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday August 18 2005, @09:08AM
                                          how many haven't heard "You Must Please"? (Score:0)
                                          I imagine quite a lot of us hence its poor rating. it wasn't on the album and, unlike 'Nobody', it wasn't on Early Burglary. It's way better than most of Southpaw though. a really evocative lyric, a pretty strong melodies, and some really gorgeous multiple-part vocal harmonies in the final minute or so: "oh remember, oh-oh, remember-er-er": fantastic!
                                          Maurice
                                          Anonymous -- Thursday August 18 2005, @12:40AM (#175647)
                                            Hugely underrated (Score:2, Interesting)
                                            "Southpaw grammar" remains Mozzers most misunderstood and underrated album. (And it's still probably his darkest and sickest ever).
                                            For some reason I always find myself picking this album out of the collection in december and january each year. It's a perfect discman companion during the cold, dark Scandinavian winter.

                                            And oh... the "help me... help me... help me" bit at the end of "Southpaw" kills me. Every time.
                                            Martin -- Thursday August 18 2005, @01:55AM (#175654)
                                            (User #278 Info | http://www.thefarm.cjb.net/ )
                                             A Slight Case of Overcombing
                                              How about... urm... none of them ? (Score:1)
                                              Save Nobody Loves Us, that bears a chorus slightly too anthemic for the lyrics but remains a decent song and You Must Please Remember, a somehow lazy production, the rest is just so forgettable. Both songs are b-sides (we may say : as usual) so we can conclude that they were considered as good tunes (vs the rest) by Moz himself.

                                              The drum solo, the long introduction, the 8mn songs... It is still painful. It does remind me of an old nightmare in a foggy way.

                                              By the way, has anyone noticed how "Reader Meets Author" could have been "Listener Meets Songwriter" or "Moz Fan meets Moz" ?

                                              "You don’t know a thing about their lives
                                              They live where you wouldn’t dare to drive
                                              You shake as you think of how they sleep
                                              But you write as if you all lie side by side"

                                              or

                                              "You don’t know a thing about their lives
                                              Books don’t save them, books aren’t stanley knives
                                              And if a fight broke out here tonight
                                              You’d be the first away, because you’re that type"

                                              It almost sounds like a confession.

                                              Anyway : Hail to the fresh blood, farewell old mistakes !
                                              Retired Whore <{marcelloproust} {at} {gmail.com}> -- Thursday August 18 2005, @03:11AM (#175658)
                                              (User #3238 Info)
                                               Sweet F.A.
                                              "The Lazy Songwriter...." (Score:0, Redundant)
                                              Southpaw was the album that changed my whole "I can't wait to hear a new Morrissey CD" to "I'll pick up the new Moz CD whenever I have some extra time to do so." If anything, this album showcased the guitar work of both Boz and Alain. And it was easy to see why Morrissey choose them as his writing partners. They both wrote some very nice melodies, riffs and chord arrangements on SG. Even Spencer got to showcase his skin pounding during "The Operation". But as far as Morrissey's lyrical content, they were definately not up to par. Maybe another listen to the whole album without the vocals would tell me more? Or maybe I should mix all the music out and just listen to the vocals and the lyrics? I never had to ask myself these questions with any of Moz's previous solo efforts and I haven't since. This is by far the most difficult Poll I have ever done so far. How can I vote for a favorite song off of an album that I can't even listen to all the way through? Hammer to Grammer! My goal is to come up with a better poll!
                                              Paneeks -- Thursday August 18 2005, @06:21AM (#175670)
                                              (User #13051 Info)
                                               "A beach is a place where a man can feel, its the only soul in the world thats real".
                                              you must please have forgotten... (Score:0)
                                              (or maybe never heard) how great a song You Must Please Remember is!
                                              M
                                              Anonymous -- Thursday August 18 2005, @07:04AM (#175673)
                                              All those songs are not that good (Score:0)
                                              Southpaw Grammar is worse than Kill Uncle, and I'm serious when I say that, even though alot of you younger Morrissey fans don't agree. And Kill Uncle isn't all that bad. I guess Morrissey shot his wad after Vauxhall & I, because most of his work released after that. Then he must have let his supply build back up when You Are The Quarry was formed because it was worth listening to. Don't get mad.
                                              Anonymous -- Thursday August 18 2005, @01:40PM (#175724)
                                                Afraid that i might self combust (Score:0)
                                                why isn't dagenham dave
                                                doing better ...
                                                markmustb1 -- Thursday August 18 2005, @04:04PM (#175729)
                                                (User #13161 Info)
                                                 cos no one ever turns to me to say ...
                                                best moz album (Score:2, Interesting)
                                                I have said this many times here before: Years from now, this will be looked on historically as some of his finest work. I find that if i consciously consider all that was occuring in his personal life during this period as i listen... it all makes sense. My wife once declared that the difference between vauxhall and southpaw is as follows: vauxhall is like a romantic evening with the one you love while southpaw is like a really raunchy and fun one night stand that leaves you grinning for days.
                                                VIVAMOZ <greenshagfloor@yahoo.com> -- Thursday August 18 2005, @07:41PM (#175737)
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                                                 blame me! i didn't vote!
                                                southpaw (Score:1)
                                                The most gorgeous poetic lovelorn lyric is in this song. The chords and music make me limp.

                                                "The girl of your dreams is here all alone"
                                                Anonymous -- Friday August 19 2005, @09:12AM (#175787)
                                                • Re:southpaw by joeymozzer (Score:1) Saturday August 20 2005, @07:21AM
                                                  Best Moz album and SOUTHPAW is best song ever (Score:1)
                                                  Southpaw Grammar is a masterpiece and I swear, Southpaw is the most beautiful song ever written. The entire album really shows how strong Alain's songwriting is. Sure, it is lyrically weak in a few spots, but what a bold album for Moz. Everytime I see the Mozzer live I shout for Southpaw, but we know the chances of it getting played. Oh well.......
                                                  IanCurtis -- Friday August 19 2005, @10:52AM (#175815)
                                                  (User #5849 Info)
                                                  Best Friend on the Payroll (Score:1)
                                                  Why is this last? Lyrically it's the finest by a mile...the empathy with the outcast non-working layabout and his trials with his earning housemate...all delivered in a classic downbeat way. The tune is pretty great too. Better than the other dirges that fill this album.

                                                  "It's not gonna work out !" ......

                                                  Gogol -- Friday August 19 2005, @02:30PM (#175843)
                                                  (User #13534 Info)
                                                  teacher teacher (Score:1)
                                                  What is it I like about Teachers? I suppose I find it, to be one of his most darkly brilliant songs. The vocals when listened through headphones are deeply strange and alluring.

                                                  On a side note, once I smoked a little mary jane and listened to this song, I found it to be really transportive. I highly suggest anyone so inclined to make this little experiment for themselves.
                                                  giant -- Friday August 19 2005, @05:16PM (#175854)
                                                  (User #430 Info)
                                                   I Like You
                                                  Satan rejected my soul (Score:1)
                                                  Where's Satan rejected my soul. Easily the best song from both albums.
                                                  Frepese -- Saturday August 20 2005, @10:11AM (#175892)
                                                  (User #10172 Info)
                                                   England is mine.
                                                  1 teachers (Score:0)
                                                  2 the operation
                                                  3 southpaw
                                                  4 nobody loves us
                                                  5 best friend on the payroll

                                                  broken
                                                  Anonymous -- Monday August 22 2005, @03:14AM (#176043)
                                                  • Somebody... by Hello Indie (Score:1) Monday August 22 2005, @04:15AM
                                                    • Re:Somebody... by Hello Indie (Score:1) Tuesday August 23 2005, @02:23AM
                                                    listen to NOBODY LOVES US here (Score:0)
                                                    a link: http://www.biscottiland.com/MP3s/Morrissey%20-%20N obody%20Loves%20Us.mp3/ [biscottiland.com]
                                                    Anonymous -- Tuesday August 23 2005, @07:53AM (#176141)
                                                    Nobody Loves Us, Everybody Loves It (Score:3, Interesting)
                                                    I've said this before so I'm not just getting a sudden dose of Nobody Loves Us fever, but in my opinion it's not only the best song from the Southpaw sessions, it's the best song in his entire solo catalogue. Even, just maybe, the greatest song he's ever written. Just LISTEN to the bastard! It never stops building! Just when you think it must end, another - even better - verse crashes in. And the lyrics! It's an epic! It's amazing!

                                                    Nine times fined
                                                    Never mind
                                                    Things can only improve
                                                    We are just stood here
                                                    Waiting for the next great wound

                                                    And we just can't wait to make more mistakes
                                                    And to fluff our breaks, and to stuff our faces with cake

                                                    All in all, imagine this :
                                                    Nobody loves us
                                                    Dab-hands at Trouble
                                                    With four days of stubble, we are
                                                    Never loosen the grip on our hand
                                                    Call us home
                                                    Kiss our cheeks
                                                    Nobody loves us
                                                    So we ... oh ... we tend to please ourselves

                                                    People think all we do
                                                    Is lie around and think of how
                                                    Rich we'd be if we didn't think
                                                    Life could improve

                                                    And we just can't wait to make more mistakes
                                                    And we just can't wait till the whole thing blows up in our face

                                                    Call us home
                                                    Kiss our cheeks
                                                    Nobody loves us
                                                    Dab-hands at Trouble
                                                    With four days of stubble, we are
                                                    So, never loosen the grip on our hand
                                                    Call us home
                                                    Make our tea
                                                    Nobody loves us
                                                    So we ... oh ... we tend to please ourselves

                                                    Call us home
                                                    Tuck us in
                                                    Nobody wants us
                                                    Dreamers and schemers
                                                    All pie-eyed, and bog-eyed, and cross-eyed
                                                    Oh, never loosen the grip on our hand
                                                    Whack us, then
                                                    Hug us hard
                                                    Nobody loves us
                                                    So we ... oh ... we tend to please ourselves

                                                    And we just can't stress, oh, how more the mess
                                                    And complete distress won't make much difference to us

                                                    Sing us our
                                                    Favourite song
                                                    Nobody loves us
                                                    Born-again athiests
                                                    Practising troublemakers
                                                    Make us our
                                                    Favourite jam
                                                    Nobody loves us
                                                    Useless and shiftless
                                                    And jobless
                                                    But we're all yours

                                                    Stan * <stanleymchale@mac.com> -- Tuesday August 23 2005, @10:36AM (#176145)
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                                                    southpoor. (Score:0, Redundant)
                                                    the best part is when it ends, sorry stephen.
                                                    inlovewiththepast -- Wednesday August 24 2005, @04:48AM (#176193)
                                                    (User #1028 Info)
                                                     truth rest your head there is more than a life at stake here..she may well sell sanctuary but she'll also sell your soul
                                                    • It's Steven by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday August 24 2005, @12:48PM
                                                      Now it's ten years on (Score:3, Interesting)
                                                      To think on it - Cantona was King, and I was a boy...

                                                      Do I love Southpaw Grammar? Like no-one reading these lines could ever believe. I don't wish to say which track I voted for; perhaps it may be obvious in what I've said or will say in time. But this is clear; each of the tracks is a witness to something inherently beautiful and soft, quietly sung in time's passing tides and emanating from both somewhere from the depths and the blue beyond of shimmering smart pop.

                                                      (Sometimes nostalgia for the recently passed moments is worse than those far-off times. One has been gone for such a long time that, by now, we've all moved on, whilst the other lingers forever at the corners of the heart, now being carried further out to sea - yet still I don't wish to see it become so.)

                                                      "Reader Meet Author": a tale of tenaments and testaments, and Morrissey singing to the 'ard and arseholes, and winning - winning! "Books won't save them" - but will they save you? They've more than saved me, he says. I, too, don't need stanley knives.

                                                      "The Boy Racer": Jimmy Dean the archetype, transposed and transformed. A life Morrissey and I would have liked to have led a little, if only for a while before growing bored of it, and to sing about from the other side of the jealous curtain.

                                                      "Nobody Loves Us": and now I know my addled mind reaches an apotheosis. Post-Thatcher, before we were stopped from being cared of but after we were left to be. "Make us our favourite jam". I know, Auntie Edith, I know...
                                                      Family.

                                                      "Do Your Best and Don't Worry": A maxim to live by. Thank you.

                                                      And Goodbye, "Southpaw" wishes us, after a fashion. Goodbye, "Girl of my Dreams" - we shall never meet, perhaps, but until that day... ...Be Seeing You.
                                                      Steven -- Wednesday August 24 2005, @07:56AM (#176220)
                                                      (User #3850 Info)
                                                       She will cleanse me in great waters, and with bitter herbs make me whole.
                                                        Re:Now it's ten years on (Score:2, Insightful)
                                                        I have to say that your view of the album and the selected individual tracks is interesting but I think the only thing I agree with you on, 'Do your best' apart, is that 'Southpaw Grammar' is brilliance from the brilliant.

                                                        Your individual analysis of each song never even touches on my own thoughts, which may have added interest for somebody like me who does not write simply for others to agree.

                                                        I do not think that 'Reader' is Morrissey singing to the 'ard and arseholes' I think he is singing to people so far removed from them and yet pretending to identify with their trials and tribulations. Morrissey is far removed from them himself but is maybe the exception as throughout his entire career he has more than often swayed on the side of the oppressed and aggressive.

                                                        'Boy Racer' could be about James Dean, but considering Morrissey's open fascination with him, I just wander if it is too obvious. I think their is a certain character behind this song, but I think it is probably somebody more prominent and tangible to Morrissey at the time of writing the song. The story itself could easily be an interesting back drop to get the message across about this person.

                                                        'Nobody loves us' could be timeless and it is easy to conjure up images of films and eras that Morrissey's influences often stem from. The cover for the excellent 'Roy's Keen' single could easily have been the cover for 'Nobody loves us'.

                                                        Again on 'Southpaw' I can't see the 'Goodbye' thing, at least not to the listeners. It seems to me that this is a very personal song and Morrissey comes across as feeling let down by somebody, who he had an allegiance with, but they then lost their bottle and decided to take the safer road with the 'crowd' only to be let down and see their confidence destroyed to the point where they actually lost the original qualities that made them stand and want to stand out from the crowd.

                                                        The great thing is, Morrissey's songs are not straight forward and can mean many things to many people. I actually think that your post was one of the most interesting from the entire poll.

                                                        Jacknife Johnny -- Wednesday August 24 2005, @09:23AM (#176236)
                                                        (User #12307 Info)
                                                        [ Parent ]
                                                        Is the song Southpaw really all that good? (Score:0)
                                                        I might have to go and re-investigate the album (sold it a few weeks after buying it due to general, all-round, pants-ness).
                                                        Maurice
                                                        Anonymous -- Friday August 26 2005, @12:33AM (#176553)
                                                        Nobody Loves Strawberry (Score:0)
                                                        Nobody Loves Me and Boxers are the best of the old songs....

                                                        Strawberry
                                                        Anonymous -- Saturday August 27 2005, @07:54AM (#176727)
                                                          Nobody Loves Us (Score:1)
                                                          If Morrissey would have put Nobody Loves Us on Southpaw Grammar, I think the critics would have accepted the album a little more since it is a fantastic song.

                                                          Like I said, that should have been on the album. It would have replaced Best Friend On The Payroll quite nicely.
                                                          Foster -- Sunday August 28 2005, @02:23PM (#176790)
                                                          (User #14088 Info)
                                                            In my opinion (Score:0)
                                                            It's time for a new poll!
                                                            Anonymous -- Wednesday August 31 2005, @08:48AM (#177080)
                                                              Re:Southpaw is Garbage!!! Kill Uncle Rules (Score:0)
                                                              After years of reading discussions on Morrissey-Solo, this is the most deluded, misled, challenged comment I've seen ;)
                                                              Anonymous -- Friday August 26 2005, @02:58AM (#176558)
                                                              [ Parent ]
                                                                Re:Southpaw is Garbage!!! Kill Uncle Rules (Score:0)
                                                                Remembering that Southpaw Grammar is 10 years old is about as dumb an observation/question on these polls as I've ever read, especially since Southpaw Grammar sucks so bad.
                                                                Anonymous -- Friday August 26 2005, @03:33AM (#176560)
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