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What is the deal with Mike and Andy?
What a pair of @#!!! ups!
miguel Nosˇ
- Sat, Feb 19, 2000 at 07:25:40 (PST) | #1
If I remember correctly, Joyce had a cameo role as a street cleaner, cleaning away some "Smiths" graffiti under the iron bridge in that short film, Unloveable at:http://www.morrissey-solo.com/news/1999/438.shtml
David T (a different one)
UK - Sat, Feb 19, 2000 at 12:05:53 (PST) | #2
. . . although now I have a reasonably fast internet link, tragically, this film has gone.Nobody downloaded and saved it, did they?
David T (a different one) <dst@criminalbar.demon.co.uk>
UK - Sat, Feb 19, 2000 at 12:15:44 (PST) | #3
who gives a @#!!!...
nabshackle
- Sat, Feb 19, 2000 at 15:32:51 (PST) | #4
So pathetic that Andy and Mike are getting on with their lives (for the better) and yet most of the people on this @#!!!ing site still see fit to slag them. Maybe it's time Morrissey fans did the decent thing. F.O.A.D.
Ace
- Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 03:18:47 (PST) | #5
it's so pitiful and deploring to see people constantly attack Mike and Andy. THE SMITHS would not exist if it were not for Mike and Andy, well- more so for Andy then Mike's drumming abilities but, anyway they deserve the respect. Afterall, the band would sound really so strange with no bass and drum accompanying Marr's melodic noise and Morrissey's bastardly croon.Oh surrender your hate you bloody hooligans...you're just jealous that they were in the smiths and you were not.
brian bell
- Wed, Feb 23, 2000 at 22:15:21 (PST) | #6
Oh come on! Mike and Andy were just as talented as any other musician in Manchester at the time. If it came to a crunch they would've been easily replaced. There are many great bass players and drummers doing the pub circuit. They should be greatful that Johnny saw it fit to recruit them.
Michael Ferry
- Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 08:00:32 (PST) | #7
Just why are people sooooo nasty towards Mike & Andy???? "Fame, Fame, Fatal Fame"........
Mr Nice
Kuala Lumpa - Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 13:42:14 (PST) | #8
look here people. if andy was not in the smiths they would have only been half as good. ...listen to the baseline in unloveable......
and why do you need to slag them off? is it better to continue on the same path or to try a new one?
munners
tokyo - Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 20:28:11 (PST) | #9
I couldn't agree more with Mike ferrier.
Anyone could have filled their shoes, and in some cases it would have better that they had. You people are so quick to stand up for the also-rans.How terribly fair minded of you all. hah.
jungfiend
- Sun, Feb 27, 2000 at 06:46:38 (PST) | #10
sorry, Mike Ferry.
jungfiend
- Sun, Feb 27, 2000 at 06:58:13 (PST) | #11
Now before I say anything I just want to say that I know nothing about the drums, but I can school all you people on string instruments, including the BASS. It takes a lot of good practice to come up with the bass lines that Andy came up with, he has his own style that I have never heard before and I challenge anyone, including Mike Ferry and Jungfiend, to find any bass player like him that came before him and The Smiths. It takes talent and practice to not simply follow the guitar when playing bass. Listen to any Smith's song, Andy is doing his own thing! I doubt that every bassist and drummer played just like Andy and Mike in Manchester in the early eighties.
Bigmouth <bigmouth_dm@hotmail.com>
SAN FER.VALLEY, CA - Sun, Feb 27, 2000 at 22:19:31 (PST) | #12
Quote from anything released by The Smiths,
'Words by Morrissey
Music by Johnny Marr'
The music belongs to Johnny. It was all set up for Andy and Mike to fill in, which they did quite well no doubting that. Yes they were good musicians and yes 'unloveable', 'Queen Is Dead' and 'Barbarism' have all got great bass lines, but I know people and have played with people who can perform those songs quite comfortably. I'm sure if a @#!!!kicker like myself can find such people then surely Johnny could as well. All is very often not like it seems, remember that!
Michael Ferry
- Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 07:56:51 (PST) | #13
Quote from anything released by The Smiths,
'Words by Morrissey
Music by Johnny Marr'
The music belongs to Johnny. It was all set up for Andy and Mike to fill in, which they did quite well no doubting that. Yes they were good musicians and yes 'unloveable', 'Queen Is Dead' and 'Barbarism' have all got great bass lines, but I know people and have played with people who can perform those songs quite comfortably. I'm sure if a @#!!!kicker like myself can find such people then surely Johnny could as well. All is very often not like it seems, remember that!
Michael Ferry
- Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 07:56:51 (PST) | #13Up Yours you sad get........
Mr Nice
Kuala Lumpa - Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 20:40:21 (PST) | #14
Shut up you bloody fool.......Mike ferry .....You know nothing........
I know
Kuala Lumpa - Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 20:42:25 (PST) | #15
well, let us all bow down to the secret fifth member of the smiths, mike ferrier. perhaps you could have filled in for both andy and mike at the same time?here here bigmouth!
munners
tokyo - Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 22:58:02 (PST) | #16
Have my veiws dragged you down to such infantile gestures? Good, now choke on them!
Maybe you just are not musical. Please don't bore me with info on those lovely Piano certficates you have on your wall. But still, feel free to surpass your ignorance if you may.
Michael Ferry
- Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 09:10:38 (PST) | #17
Open your eyes and grow up. Mike and Andy were great but Pardon me for not kissing their sticks and strings.
Michael Ferry
- Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 09:16:57 (PST) | #18
AND DON'T CALL ME MIKE!!
Michael Ferry
- Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 07:40:52 (PST) | #19
Michael Ferry is right again.
If those two clowns were so bloody brilliant, why then have they wallowed in mediocrity and failure ever since they left the smiths?
Session musicians would have done just as well, and in retrospect cost a lot less.p.s. Yes he does look a lot like Gilligan.
jUNGFIEND
- Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 15:43:43 (PST) | #20
Why don't you people get it? Mike & Andy were way important to The Smiths. What if Morrissey and Johnny picked some other guys that sound just like everyone else, God forbid, they definitely wouldn't sound the same, and what if those random musicians were @#!!!S, there would definitely some be conflict probably resulting in the bands early break up. Studio musicians aren't any better either, they all sound the same, if you've ever listened to a solo artist who doesn't have a band and only uses studio musicians, you would notice that all their songs sound the same. I'm only trying to give Andy & Mike the credit they deserve.
Bigmouth <bigmouth_dm@hotmail.com>
SAN FER.VALLEY, CA - Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 21:38:50 (PST) | #21
'What if ....What if....What if....'. We are getting hypothetical here aren't we. Here's a 'what if'.
What if Johnny Marr had said 'sod off Mike' at the audition and got Curley Watts in instead of Andy?
Not only would he be a lot richer but Reg Holdsworth would probably still be in Coronation Street.
What if Johnny Marr had called on Shawn Ryder instead of Morrissey? Well we wouldn't be having this delightful argument would we?
Michael Ferry
- Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 07:46:55 (PST) | #22
'What if ....What if....What if....'. We are getting hypothetical here aren't we. Here's a 'what if'.
What if Johnny Marr had said 'sod off Mike' at the audition and got Curley Watts in instead of Andy?
Not only would he be a lot richer but Reg Holdsworth would probably still be in Coronation Street.
What if Johnny Marr had called on Shawn Ryder instead of Morrissey? Well we wouldn't be having this delightful argument would we?
Michael Ferry"What if JM had called on Shawn(sic)Ryder?" No deviousness, No thievin' off your mates, No court case, No whinging that everybody hates you, when in fact MOST people don't give a @#!!!, No bobbins solo career relying on your past success.....Actually, It sounds alright doesn't it?
Cheered Up
@Home - Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 14:49:31 (PST) | #23
but bez is part of the package i guess? better than james dancing on the stage. better with marracas, too....:)
Crimson
- Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 20:54:33 (PST) | #24
Yeaahahhh! I agree with Mikey Ferris-wheel. Those two could have easily been replaced by session musicians, which would have made things much better. While we were at it, they could have had Mozzer replaced by a session singer. Nothing would have changed, would it?
And why do you call yourself jungfield? Seem bitter and twisted to me......
rooty boy
Harajuku - Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 04:14:36 (PST) | #25
No nothing would have changed, apart from the being really good bit. Shawn Ryder? You think Moz was 'devious'? Ryder has been on the dock more times than the court cleaning lady!!!
Michael Ferry <Ferry-m@ulst.ac.uk>
- Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 01:54:08 (PST) | #26
Still, "Kinky Afro" and "Step On" are classics......
Crimson
Harajuku - Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 02:15:25 (PST) | #27
BTW it's "Shaun", not "Shawn". How many times must it be said?
Helium
Salford Lads Club - Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 02:21:06 (PST) | #28
I agree with Crimson. But I still never rated the man and his lack of talent deserves a mis-spelt name.
Michael Ferry
- Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 04:37:41 (PST) | #29
Well, if Shaun was the singer, then I guess Andy wouldn't have been kicked out.
Still, Shaun is the antithesis of the "tight-arse" Morrissey model. Any money made gets spent somehow.
Crimson
- Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 19:24:51 (PST) | #30
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