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Comments / Notes
It makes no sense. You would think he would have known about that site for a long time...
suzanne
i came, i saw, i smoked - Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 13:15:47 (PST) | #1
Thank you boys. It was great.
Big Flufy Bunnies
- Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 13:53:03 (PST) | #2
so... where can we get more mp3s? there are another site?
thank you...
unloveable
- Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 14:27:56 (PST) | #3
I'm shocked - This site was so great.
Morrissey is not involved in all of this.
sassi <sassi_z@netvision.net.il>
- Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 14:33:42 (PST) | #4
Thanks for the great resource. Sorry to see you go. Cheers.
spade <brandon@johnnyspade.com>
vancouver - Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 15:40:23 (PST) | #5
Let's just say, although I've no proof, I wouldn't doubt if it was a certain someone that frequents this site ritually that is indirectly responsible for the closure of the site. This person has in the past declared their anti-bootleg belief and supposedly is close to someone in the band... Not mentioning any names.
banker
- Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 17:17:49 (PST) | #6
Well THANK YOU VERY MUCH "unmentioned person claiming to be close to Morrissey's management" I hope you're very happy that you made me cry!!!!*wailing*
*sniff*
the Girl who makes the world spin backward
Here - Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 18:41:30 (PST) | #7
Another very depressing development - and one which would seem to confirm that something is rotting in the state of Morrissey.
Paint A Vulgar Picture
- Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 19:34:34 (PST) | #8
Hey banker, who are you referring to? What does it matter? No one knows anybody anyway.
Pia
- Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 21:06:03 (PST) | #9
It's so sad that even though we have so little of Moz (as opposed to other bands with big in-your-face advertising) they still want to take that away from us.It was a great site, and it seems like there's something we should be able to do to save it.
Liz <erodriguez@pomona.edu>
Claremont - Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 22:34:38 (PST) | #10
What a loss. I was just downloading Hacienda gig... I could understand the problems with the legally issued b-sides, but bootlegged gigs? God, what to do next. Ask the Russian mafia for the rarities??? (I know they've got the collection)
Dave <dagenham@poczta.onet.pl>
- Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 22:50:46 (PST) | #11
Yeah, we definitely need the new MP3 site! Who will be the brave one? My personal prize - Big bottle of Polish vodka.And I suggest to place the site in the Eastern Europe. It will be totally unreachable for any management rats. The site will last forever. The new name? Hemm, I propose - FRANK & OPEN (or SUNBATHER's CLUB). Anybody has any ideas?
Dave
- Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 23:53:14 (PST) | #12
Thanks - it was a really great site while is lasted. There are a bunch of people out here who really appreciate the work which went into this site.
David T (a different one)
- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 01:07:39 (PST) | #13
these 'bootlegs' are what keeps fans interested in between recordings and have obviously never harmed sales. i don't understand whomever is responsible - someone who has all the recordings and doesn't want to share probably.
anyway, thanks for the great site.
kmp
hartsdale - Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 04:34:32 (PST) | #14
Frakly Vulgar was one more reason to not stay in bed all day, literally. When I first saw it my jaw dropped, and over the course of 3 months I probably downloaded everything from it, deleting from time to time of course. I don't want to ramble. But I will miss the site tremendously. Thanks Frankly Vulgar for a beautiful time.
Joseph Massey
- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 07:07:05 (PST) | #15
I must say frankly vulgar, I have LOVED frankly vulgar it is a godsend, a beautiful shrine to Morrissey. If Morrissey wanted to take down this site, after we have bought all your alblums...then FU Morrissey, trip and break your neck, I dont care, you money grubbing old man
F the man
- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 07:09:21 (PST) | #16
Why now? Just formatted my harddisk!
Roy
- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 07:47:18 (PST) | #17
Too popular? I've never in my life heard of Morrissey's music being too popular? The kids have spoken: they want Morrissey Music. Long Live F.V. So sad. The recently uploaded live version of Lost was soooooo good too!
Dan <chiefbrody@aol.com>
wilmington, nc - Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 08:11:12 (PST) | #18
OK, i'm just like roy..Just my disk formatted!!!! ohhhh..what a shame, this web was great bye
juan soler
- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 08:33:33 (PST) | #19
The more I learn about Morrissey, the more I think he is a dick with all of his little complaints about trite things. God forbid he doesn't get his due. He seems to get enjoyment by fighting the ones defending his name. Cram it with your 1 hour and 15 minute shows, having lame opening acts, racism, and squandering money from his old band and fans. Morrissey and give a little back to those who adore you
Now he is a was
Chicago - Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 08:54:52 (PST) | #20
Frankly vulgar please come back
F the man
- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 09:17:02 (PST) | #21
This is really bad news. Let´s at least enjoy what we have downloaded (useful or useless). If it wasn´t for Frankly vulgar I would never have heard songs like "Oh, I´ll never learn", the radio session versions of "William, it was really nothing", "London" and "Half a person", not to mention the live tracks.Thank you Operator
Ubbe
- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 09:34:35 (PST) | #22
Thanks for 16 months in mp3 heaven!!! I'm sure Moz doesn't have anything to do with this. He said he didn't mind people making bootlegs, an that he often looked for them and bought them himself in a interview some years ago. Nevertheless, I really understand the justice in this, sadly.....
Bjørn Ove <bokjenn@online.no>
The land they forgot to close down - Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 10:08:48 (PST) | #23
It probably does not have anything to do with Moz at all. I used to run a very large Cure MP3 site for about the same length of time (14 months) and had nearly 1000 files up. When the RIAA asked me to take it down, they claimed that they had the full support of the band. I thought this was fishy, though, because I had gotten email from one of the band members before, and had learned from sources close to the band they thought it was ok. I later confirmed that the band had absolutely NOTHING to do with getting it shut down. Moz is very likely not to blame.Jason
Jason Hajdik <draconis@tamu.edu>
- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 14:34:36 (PST) | #24
the harsh truth and nothing but : mozzer sucks
forever and ever
- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 15:00:38 (PST) | #25
Well if Moz's management were so arsed about the bootlegs being circulated, why dont they get their arses in gear and release some of the rarer stuff commercially? This kind of puts the "World of Morrissey" and "Suedehead - The Best of" rip offs into some kind of perspective, as far as I'm concerned. So what if the fanbase have been making use of an illegal source to get hold of what they want to hear? It's not as if any moves have been made to make them available via more "respectable" means, is it?
rent boy
- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 15:14:54 (PST) | #26
Damn - i just bought a re-writable cd player =(
asian rut
Boston - Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 18:11:35 (PST) | #27
With Morrissey's record sales in decline for a few years now, a site like Frankly Vulgar could only improve matters. I hope someone steps up to take on a similar project. It will be sorely missed, as I've already said.
Joseph Massey
- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 19:38:08 (PST) | #28
What a shame. Luckily, I was able to download most of the b-sides that I didn't already have. It's too bad that I had to wait 10 years to finally hear "I know very Well.." and "Oh Well, I'll Never Learn" as an MP3 file. It's also a shame that Moz would rather feed his ego than please his fans by avoiding these rare songs on b-side compilations and instead including album tracks like "BoyRacer" and "Reader meet Author". Very sad indeed.
homaque
- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 20:37:38 (PST) | #29
typical me... typical me... typical me...
i've started something...
squandor
- Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 21:03:48 (PST) | #30
Oh, but you can...
Addie Pray
Transylvania, L.a. - Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 22:21:54 (PST) | #31
considering that i no longer have the mp3 of "i know very well how i got my note wrong" (the one with vini reilly), does anyone know where i can get the vinyl for around $30? anything over would be too much...maybe mod langs would have it, but i hear they are far too pricey, compared to melrose prices. either way, i wish i had the mp3...
state of emergency
- Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 00:32:29 (PST) | #32
I've bought CD singles which I wouldn't have otherwise thought have purchasing - FV introduced me to the B sides of Alma Matters (inc. I can have both) and Roy's Keen (inc. Lost): the two best tracks that were never released on the album . . .
David T (a different one)
- Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 01:02:37 (PST) | #33
I really don't believe that Morrissey himself wanted the site shut down.I've seen the nasty message the "person close to Morrissey's management" sent the FV site owner. It's really suspicious... Funny how a fan in a comment above now asks where s/he can buy a pricey copy of "I Know Very Well How I Got My Note Wrong." The person who threatened to sic the RIAA on the FV site owner could likely be a trader who didn't like the competition he was getting from the free downloads FV offered or some a$$hole record company prick who only cares about controlling acce$$ to the corporate product and really doesn't know Morrissey nor respects Morrissey's personal wishes. And don't let that line about protecting the artists' rights fool you. It's not about protecting artists' rights and interests because it is clearly more in Morrissey's interest to adopt a tolerant live and let live stance to concert bootlegs (as opposed to straight out piracy of officially released songs). Just look at the fan comments on what they regard as Morrissey's betrayal of their fandom when FV was shut down. It's more about protecting the profits and power of the record company's property. The artist and the record company are NOT one and the same. The artist is often a worker alienated from his/her labour because she doesn't legally own the works in many cases, the record company often does.
No1uNo
- Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 01:52:09 (PST) | #34
Hey Franky Vulgar!! Though I discovered this site late...i was always happy to have found it . It was a wonderful little site, had the best stuff. GONNA MISS IT!!! Seeya!!!
Member of the National Front Disco
- Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 05:11:57 (PST) | #35
Some people here are so flimsy, quick to turn on Moz for this unfortunate incident. I hope most of us will stay true to him. They cannot touch him now.......
Marvin
Guatemala - Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 07:07:01 (PST) | #36
The shutting down of Frankly Vulgar is really a bummer. I know of a fan who has almost all of Morrissey's songs in singles cd's. I don't have access to such cd's and I think that it is unfair to have that opportunity taken away. Anyway, I'm just thankful to get to listen to tracks like Now I Am A Was, I Can Have Both, and Jack The Ripper (studio).If Moz's management is responsible for this then they should come up with a TRUE singles collection and not just another rip-off like World of Morrissey which included unnecessary tracks like Speedway or Billy Budd. Same goes for Burglary Years which included Boy Racer and Reader Meet Author. Fans have always been there for Moz and his music and I think that it's about time something REALLY worthwhile is given back to US.
Malad Just
- Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 07:56:20 (PST) | #37
Malad Adjust,I don't blame Moz's management, I blame Moz. I'm sure he somehow thinks he is geting ripped off because fans aren't buying the CD Singles. He is so selfish and this modified "tour" is not Moz giving anything back to his fans! It's about Moz needing/wanting more money. And you know what the scariest part about all of this it.......WE CREATED IT! WE are the reason Moz is so selfish and greedy! Stop treating him like his is supreme being and maybe he'll stop acting like his really thinks he is one!!!
Frankie
Ybor City - Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 08:31:51 (PST) | #38
It was a great site and it will be greatly missed. Thanks for the sounds...
Stevenage
- Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 08:39:40 (PST) | #39
Frankie,Yes, we created him. Yes, he may even need more money. Oh well, he's in business after all and I think he would be just doing what he must do. Make money. If you're running some sort of business you will see to it that you earn money. Otherwise it would be useless. Moz is running his own business and thus making money. Us, we have the pleasure or displeasure of listening to his songs or whatever he may call them. We may feel ripped off or fulfilled. But it will never be his fault. If the shutting down of Frankly Vulgar is his fault then why not take this personally to him. Curse at him. Beat him for all I care. And altogether stop adoring his songs. Simple.
Malad Just
- Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 10:06:53 (PST) | #40
i cant believe that, wouldnt they be happy about the support this site is giving? this act was 'frankly vulgar'
marz <maladjusted@aol.com>
- Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 10:07:36 (PST) | #41
damn you....whoever be behind this.
little <t183@truman.edu>
- Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 14:45:54 (PST) | #42
Thanx for FV, it was a great site,
Jake <Prince_zilla>
- Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 14:47:11 (PST) | #43
And just after I hooked up to the Ethernet and purchased a pack of blank CDs! The irony is killing me. Damn it all. Damn the Man. Anyway... if Frankly Vulgar could "happen," it could very well beget others. We shall see, now, won't we?
MT
- Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 21:19:53 (PST) | #44
I can NOT understand this, this website is so wonderful. All I can say is it was great and thank you for all the info.T h a n k s D a v e! Love you all!
Lidia Villa <lidia_moz@hotmail.com>
Chicago,IL - Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 21:23:24 (PST) | #45
I need booze.
sad eyed lady
OC, CA - Tue, Nov 02, 1999 at 23:12:30 (PST) | #46
I'm never missed anyone such as FV.
Oh is it so strange ?
Boris Stanislas
- Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 02:01:55 (PST) | #47
WOW...I was lucky enough to download all the songs I didn't have onto MiniDisc last month from the Frankly Vulgar site. Maybe I'll start my own goddamn site with the files....hmmmmmmmmmm.................
Morris C. <MozMan68@aol.com>
Off to NYC - Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 05:44:00 (PST) | #48
Moz you are listening, we know you are, bring back FV or else ....or else we'll all your true face
moz bring back FV
- Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 06:52:18 (PST) | #49
Moz bring back FV
everyone..bring back FV
I second that
- Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 12:03:09 (PST) | #50
well, now that FV has gone, who will save us...
hurry a new MP3 page!!
Fernando <heces_fecales@yahoo.com>
- Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 14:38:11 (PST) | #51
WHY! Why didn't i d/l all the files i wanted i just figured they would always be there! Thank you frankly vulgar for making my shifts at kinkos more bearable with your wonderful mp3's we all owe you so much...
roberto <strngwys@aol.com>
- Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 22:32:19 (PST) | #52
First off, anyone who thinks Morrissey himself had anything to with Frankly Vulgar closing is a complete moron. First off, the man is on tour and has no time for such B.S., secondly management, the record company or whoever can send a warning to site like that without notifying Moz. Moz has nothing to with that side of the business, same goes for all artists. There was a cool Cure MP3 site that was closed a while back, and when Robert Smith was asked if he cared about such things, he said he thought they were cool, but its the "suits" who are in control of such things. So stop whining at Moz, its not his fault.
The site was posting illegal stuff, and most of us found it a useful resourse, others felt it was a threat of somesort. But Morrissey is not to blame.
Brian
- Thu, Nov 04, 1999 at 00:31:12 (PST) | #53
They must be mad to have it shut down...I've lost count of the number of people who I've introduced to the world of Moz & The Smiths through the Frankly Vulgar site... Interest in Moz's music is slowly dying and fading... and they've now just gone and shut down one of the few things that was keeping his memory alive! Wow... I just can't believe they would be so short sighted... Record companies keep banging on about bootleggers not having respect for the artist. What a load of bull@#!!!! It's the artist who should respect the FANS for getting them where they are. :(
Nobby Piles
- Fri, Nov 05, 1999 at 03:13:29 (PST) | #54
I´m trully sorry.It was a great site, but maybe maladjusted.
I´m still waiting for FV.
Rui Abreu <R_Abreu@yahoo.com>
- Sat, Nov 06, 1999 at 07:40:25 (PST) | #55
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