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So I guess that settles it then. I think it's better this way anyhow. I don't feel that Johnny's playing really suits Morrissey's singing style anymore anyway. This brings me back to the question that I've been asking for ages. When will Steven find more talented musicians to write with? I feel that he's given enough time to his current set. I think he should move on.
Cili Barnes <[email protected]>
Los Angeles - Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 09:32:38 (PDT) | #1
i don't know if i'm pleased with johnny's reasons for not doing it. it would be one thing if he just said no, but to discredit morrissey just because he's already worked with him is silly. it's obvious when listening to strangeways that they had much more life left in them as a songwriting team, and plenty of new ground to tread. it's a shame.
John in NJ <[email protected]>
Trenton, NJ - Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 11:37:15 (PDT) | #2
he's just trying to play it down so everyone will be surprised. I know his tactics.
please please please let me get what i want
- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 11:37:50 (PDT) | #3
OF COURSE JM is going to deny that he and Moz will perform together! What surprise would it be for the adoring fans if he said, "Yeah, we're gonna play 3 songs"?! I still have faith... And I think everyone else should too... They are going to surprise us! There is NO way that the two will be on the same night and not perform together... That would just be so heartless for us fans!
Katlyn <[email protected]>
- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 13:47:28 (PDT) | #4
nothing`s changed
johnny sucks as he always did
nothing`s changed, i still love you
- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 13:55:23 (PDT) | #5
Screw you too Johnny
SPM
- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 14:09:26 (PDT) | #6
people move on.
felipe messina guzman <[email protected]>
aztlan-s.f. bay area - Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 14:09:30 (PDT) | #7
So Morrissey is only someone Marr once used to hang around with. Well Marr, you can put out all the albums you want to, but I'll not even touch one.
Windigo
- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 14:32:08 (PDT) | #8
Ludicrous, eh?! Why did Marr leave the Smiths? To get out from behind the shaddows of Morrissey; to stop playing second-fiddle. Well, Johnny Boy, what have you done for the last 12 years? I'll tell ya, played on other peolple's records/tours. He's just now getting around to his "solo" album? Bravo, old boy, bravo!Good luck...God speed,
Johnny O
- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 14:50:07 (PDT) | #9
HURRAH! IS EVERYONE HAPPY NOW? I SURE AM. ENDLESS SUPPOSITIONS HAVE A CORROSIVE EFFECT UPON ME..........
FLESH RAMPAGE
n.j. - Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 15:50:36 (PDT) | #10
I guess the question they asked Johhny should have been if he would ACTUALLY be at the coachella festival. He sounded like he was just sooo busy ~ so i doubt he will even be there. Well.. you never know whats gonna happen.. see you all at the festival!
Unruly Girl
- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 17:52:47 (PDT) | #11
If it happens, I won't ever leave Coachella Valley, like one of those hippies who never left Woodstock. If it doesn't, I'll burn Johnny in effigy on the White House lawn
justin <[email protected]>
- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 19:29:14 (PDT) | #12
Morrissey and Marr were once like peanut butter and jelly, bacon and eggs, steak and potatoes , or fish and chips. To hear Johnny speak now, you would think it is more like the unholy food marriage of milk and pepsi, may LaVerne rest in peace. I for one don't like milk and pepsi so I am glad that Johnny isn't going to join Morrissey on stage. Was it Patrick Henry, or Henry Chinaski who once said, "Give me Boz or give me death!!!!!!!"
S.P. Riley aka Henry Chinaski Jr.
Driving down La Cienega in my Volks - Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 20:01:32 (PDT) | #13
Johnny left because Moz was such a tyrannical arsehole! He was sick of coming up with all the music and Moz whining to him, "Oh I don't like this one..." Johnny has every right to not want to ever work with him again.
boy wonder
- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 20:56:18 (PDT) | #14
Johnny's guitars rock my socks. He really knows how to put together a wall of sound. And he used to work with Moz and now he doesn't and he won't ever again. Blah! The Smiths are dead! Long live the Smiths!
mysterious eel
- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 21:38:34 (PDT) | #15
If producing half-assed albums with the likes of Marion and Bernard Sumner is what Johnny gets up to with the musicians he "likes", then it's best he stay away from Moz. Johnny may have been the musician in The Smiths, but what made them the group you (we?) all adore is the presence and pen of Mr. Morrissey--without someone of his caliber fronting his efforts, Johnny's "solo" album promises to be another useless BORE.
Hellworthy
- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 22:24:36 (PDT) | #16
I agree that Marr hasn't really did anything since the the breakup. Morrissey is still putting out great albums since the breakup. I always did think that Marr needed and still does need Morrissey.
boy racer
Midland, pa - Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 22:29:15 (PDT) | #17
Haven't we got some sensitive wee flowers here.
Johnny won't play with Morrissey so we get all petulent and perform.
All the man said was he thought the idea of performing with Moz was ludicrous, fair enough when you consider the history of the relationship.
Pretty tame when you think what he could have said about the golden one.
Frank Shankly
- Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 22:35:12 (PDT) | #18
I love Johnny Marr for his contribution to the greatness of the Smiths, but I don't care if he plays with the Moz at Coachella. Of course I am going to be there, but just seeing Morrissey on stage in all his greatness is more than compensatory for the lack of Mr. Marr. Alain and Boz are much more suited to Morrissey's current style anyway.
Danny <[email protected]>
California - Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 23:43:25 (PDT) | #19
"i'll meet you at the cemetery gates...."
Tania <[email protected]>
Riverside,Ca - Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 23:48:57 (PDT) | #20
Well we knew this, he's always going on about not wanting to regurgitate the past in interviews, just a shame his present and future aren't as interesting.
John <[email protected]>
The newtown they forgot to close down - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 01:59:13 (PDT) | #21
John Marr....what else can anyone say? MORRISSEY doesn't need you, and neither do the fans. Hey I think MORRISSEY was writing about you when he did "Now I am a was"
In the meantime, try and make Electronic work, and you still have someone carrying your arse!!!
Mauricio <[email protected]>
One Mean Ass New Yorker! - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 05:51:26 (PDT) | #22
I agree with Boy Wonder!!! Sometimes Morrissey can be ... err well difficult to work with!!!! The Smiths are clearly the most important band ever. So, I don't get why everyone is so down on Johnny? True, he hasn't acheived any greatnes on his own yet, but I kinnda like his rendering of Meat Is Murder! I love Morrissey and I also love Marr! I know they will play again together - "One Fine Day Let It Be Soon." But, it just gets me angry when everyone acts like Morrissey is a god or something. Can we be a little open-minded please? Just because people don't agree with Moz, or don't want to work with him, doesn't mean you have to kill them for it - like they're heretics or something!!!! (Moz Inquisitions?) And who knows, while everyone is criticizing Johnny, What if he does end up playing with Moz? Now, all of a sudden everyone will love him again??? Think about it before you write off Johnny. Another Morrissey fan,
-Ken-
Ken <[email protected]>
Long Island - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 06:15:47 (PDT) | #23
If you all think morrissey still has it, you're wrong!!! Even Morrissey would agree. I believe both artists had put out good work on their own, but neither has been able to top any of The Smiths albums.Johnny's work with other artists have always been good like Billy Bragg, The The and Kirsty McCall...even the god damn British World Cup song was good. Also the 1st Electronic album is one of the best albums of the 1990's!! Morrissey's Viva hate, Bona Drag and Vauxhall were good, but eventhing pals in comparison to the Smiths. So stop praising Morrissey (who has said he prefers his current band to the smiths), because Johnny's not the only one who doesn't want to reform. The smiths will NEVER UNITE!!! So just listen to the F***ING AWESOME music they gave us and shut your cake hole!!!
Daniel
- Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 07:14:47 (PDT) | #24
Hey Daniel......Don't you mean PIE HOLE!
You idiot!!!
MozMan
Mozville - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 07:38:57 (PDT) | #25
MozMan??? What a @#!!!ing idiot. No I mean cake hole you cock jockey!!!!!!Face it, Morrissey is not the man he used to be!!! I don't know what your problem is. Anyway why does everybody want them to reform, because it would be crap anyway. They are old farts now.
Daniel
- Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 07:55:34 (PDT) | #26
Imagine if Moz and Marr did write together again!I guarantee you it would be crap! Morrissey can't write lyrics anymore (or even good melodies going by Maladjusted). Johnny also lost it ages ago. If they got back together it doesn't mean they'd both suddenly be talented again.
So it's better if they keep away from each other. Once they join up again there'll be no hope left. It really will be the end.
The problem is, it will inevitably happen. Not now maybe, but even if it's in ten years time it WILL happen and it will be so sad.
smithwhite
London - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 08:13:16 (PDT) | #27
well there you have it...i thought i was visiting morrissey solo and i've somehow ended up on "let'sSlagMorrissey&Marr-neverendingly.com".give me a break, puleeze and let's just remember that we are hear as david's guests. ciao julie
julie <[email protected]>
oz - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 08:27:39 (PDT) | #28
hi frankie (shankly)i'm a wee flower...must be a tad too sensitive though... (i like your posts). ciao julie
julie <[email protected]>
oz - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 08:30:24 (PDT) | #29
You are exactly right smithwhite!!!Hate to burst everyones bubble.
Daniel
- Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 08:31:08 (PDT) | #30
Hey Daniel, why are you even here? Because you don't have any friends that can stand to phycially look at your face? So you have to come in here to try to be the "tough guy"? If you don't want The Smiths to hook back up, that's fine! That's your opinion. Your opinion is obviously meaningless and completely inaccurate, but it is your opinion.Later loser!
MozMan
Mozville - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 08:38:11 (PDT) | #31
danielthis is NOT bursting-bubbles.com either... sorry couldn't resist that one...... ciao julie
julie <[email protected]>
oz - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 08:40:02 (PDT) | #32
I agree with frank shankly too.
Daniel
- Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 08:40:20 (PDT) | #33
Mozman, why are you so mean? All I did was state my opinion and you got all defensive and called me an idiot? I thought you were supposed to put your opinions at this site.People should just lighten up and stop blaming Johnny for living his life.
Daniel
- Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 08:51:24 (PDT) | #34
Well of course he's going to say he's not going to reform. It wouldn't be much of a surprise if he went around blabbing to the he was going to. There's little doubt in my mind that they will do SOMETHING together wether they play or just have their pictures taken together.
Travis
- Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 08:55:50 (PDT) | #35
All Johnny cares about now is taking ecstacy and staying up all night rolling his head off, creating raved out techno music with Noel Gallagher! Can't say I blame him!
MozMan
Mozville - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 09:29:57 (PDT) | #36
Daniel, Ken, and Boy Wonder:FINALLY!! Some reasonable people!! Some that are not blinded by fanaticism and some that aren't deaf...Daniel, my friend, I couldn't have said it
better myself. Thank you!
Johnny's contributions to other bands after The Smiths broke up were VERY cool. His work with The The was impeccable!! His work with Bryan Ferry, The Pretenders(did anyone see him live when he was with the Pretenders--I saw them & they ended with The Stooges' "1969"--which Johnny RIPPED), and most importantly his work with IAN MCCULLOCH was great!! The Echo and the Bunnymen World Cup song is fantastic!! I never cared for his work with Electronic though...
Thanks you 3 for speaking the truth and saying that MOZ has...sorry to say...lost it!! I want him to surprise me, but for much of the 90's I've been disappointed with his albums---ever since Stephen Street left the ranks...
george o.
- Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 09:36:45 (PDT) | #37
To say that Moz has lost it since the Smiths split up is daft, really. "Vauxhall & I" beats anything the Smiths ever recorded, and even the "Maladjusted"-album is better than at least the first two Smiths-album. And the only thing Johnny Marr ever did that was worth saving for the next millennium is his Electronic-works. The last album sucked though.And why why why is everyone looking for a reunion? Has anything good ever come out of such a thing. Look at the Sex Pistols. Look at Kiss. Pamela & Tommy Lee. The Band. Germany . . . "I could say more, but you get the general idea . . "
Loretta Scars
Deadham, Mass. - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 10:16:09 (PDT) | #38
George o, you arent fooling anyone, we all know your real name is stephen street. Who else could know who stephen street is.
Morrisseylovesus
Johnny Marr should be shot <and set a blaze on national TV as wild dogs tear at his delicate guitar playing hands and children toss rocks at his now flaming mop head.>
Morrissy loves Us - Johnny Marr dosent - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 10:38:22 (PDT) | #39
Boys (and Girls)! what is this? why are we all fighting? fine, some people don't ever want to see The Smiths get back together, while others do. to each his own. just enjoy the music while it's still here (there).Moz Fans Of The World Unite!
ray chou
- Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 10:52:59 (PDT) | #40
Loretta,I agree with your feeling about reunions in gereral.As far as the first two smiths albums I have to disagree. Morrissey had so much to say on the first album. Brillant lyrics and they go on forever!! There is a lot of material there. Listen to Suffer little Children, Still Ill,Pretty Girls, This Charming Man, What Difference, Etc. Morrissey's current stuff is reduced to repeating ridiculous lines like "Boy racer, Boy racer Oh" and "Dagenham Dave,Dagenham Dave, Dagenham Dave." As far as malajusted, I can't even get myself to listen to it. It's so uninteresting. Plus William It Was Really Nothing and Heaven Know's I'm Miserable Now off of Hateful of Hollow are incredible songs!! Two of my absolute favorites. Just those two songs make it better than Morrissey's recent albums. Which would you rather do without?
Daniel
- Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 10:59:13 (PDT) | #41
sometimes i get the feeling that there are really only about three people using this board, each under numerous assumed identities.
John in NJ <[email protected]>
Trenton, NJ - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 11:20:08 (PDT) | #42
No-one was saying that Vauxhall is better than Meat is Murder Right?????? I almost had a heart attack when I thought I read that.Let's see....hmmm... The early 80's....rough trade...indie label....little air play....critics hate them.... Meat is Murder is released...No Hype Behind It At All!...No Promotion For It...cult following makes it # What when it comes out?????
Oh yeah #1 Yeah Right, Vauxhall is better - Please!!!!! I agree with the Stephen Street philosophy - it was all down hill since then. Viva Hate #1 Morrissey Solo Album (Sorry For Going Off!!!!)
Ken <[email protected]>
Long Island - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 11:20:53 (PDT) | #43
I don't know if they will reunite, but surely Moz and Marr together will be much more better than any other actual band (though probably now it will never be like The Smiths).
Fabio Pagano <[email protected]>
Italy - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 11:46:00 (PDT) | #44
Marr is a f#**ing IDIOT. What makes him think that Moz wants him! He is the one who needs Moz look at him now he is "has been". He was great with the Smiths, but I hate him!!!!!
Neo
- Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 12:00:11 (PDT) | #45
Windigo came close to saying it best a while back. If you read the marr quote again, the fact that Morrissey is delegated to the status of "someone I used to hang out with" indicates to me a jealousy and frustration in marr. I think all his solo/collaboration albums are about escaping the smiths songwriting style instead of about making good, solid, original music. Morrissey makes it clear that he wishes to carry on his smiths legacy as far as possible lyrically and vocally, no matter who's behind him on stage. Therefore, creatively he's far less cumbersome.
Jeff <[email protected]>
- Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 13:05:38 (PDT) | #46
Okay everyone, calm down. I know that everyone had big hopes for Coachella. We all did. It would be amazing to see them both again. But we dont always get what we want. Im sure the truth is that they simply dont want to get back together. If they both wanted it, it would happen. Why get together if they are going to be unhappy. Morrissey is great no matter what! He is just as amazing with or without Johnny, im sure we all agree or we wouldnt be here would we? Lets just wait and see what happens, and not get our hopes up. One last thing though, im a firm believer that Morrissey was the Smiths, although after Johnny left there was a huge downfall in their popularity. A reunion, just may not make sense...
Concerned Citizen
- Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 13:10:43 (PDT) | #47
Take it easy on the old sod. JM is a talent beyond words and decent human being.
.....sometimes it may appear the dog is sleeping when it actually is quite dead. ;)
WATCHING WITH A GRIMMACE
LOOSE ANGELEEEES - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 16:14:28 (PDT) | #48
I told you soWhat evidence is there, considering all they've been through in the past some odd years, that they would not feel a bit uncomfortable getting back together?
Suzanne
going nuts - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 17:10:14 (PDT) | #49
Umm "Frank Shankly" can you please try using an original screen name? Although I agree with a small portion of your comments, I would rather not run the risk of either of us being mistaken for one another which has already happened.
David recently addressed this issue, so please respect what has already been established.
THANK YOU !!!!
Frankie Shankly <[email protected]>
Southern California - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 18:17:20 (PDT) | #50
I still don't understand why these bunch of #*!~^` who seem to hate Morrissey ever care to post the same comments again and again.
I mean, I hate rap music, but I don' waste my time visiting Public Enemy's web-site.... So, why don't you do the same and leave us in peace?Charles Byron PS1: Why don't they post their mail addresses? Maybe it's only one fool using 4 different names?
PS2: To George O: If you were such a big fan of Mr. McCulloch you should have mentioned their collaboration on tracks like "Lowdown" and "Too Far Gone".
Charles Byron <[email protected]>
Buenos Aires - Argentina - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 20:26:41 (PDT) | #51
Its very hard to decide which smiths album is better (because of the music part) because Johnny Marr is bas ass, so i'm posting the Morrissey albums.1. Your Arsenal
2. Southpaw Grammar
3. Maladjusted
4. Vauxhall, and I
5. Kill Uncle
6. Bona Drag
7. Viva Hate
S-T-E-V-E-N <[email protected]>
Garden Grove, Ca - Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 20:29:12 (PDT) | #52
Steady, everyone, steady. First off, how in the world would any of "us" know that Moz is difficult to work with? We, as fans of his music, don't know everything there is to know about him.
Secondly, Moz is not a god. Sorry, but there is only one God. However, he is still a brilliant song writer and a fountain of verbal technique.
Lastly, Marr can do whatever he wants--sod off for all I care. We have Morrissey, the most beloved and influential singer of this genaration.
Take care...walk in love.Ta,
Johnny O
- Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 20:35:42 (PDT) | #53
If you want to start a riot on Morrissey-solo.com, just mention the name of any former Smiths member. It's so predictable.
selfish giant
- Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 20:59:02 (PDT) | #54
I suck
the sucker
- Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 21:52:05 (PDT) | #55
GIRLS PLEASE !! GET A LIFE & GROW UP . I LOVE MOZ AS MUCH AS ALL OF YOU BUT THIS BITCHING IS VERY SAD
BITCHFIT
- Thu, Sep 02, 1999 at 22:45:16 (PDT) | #56
Ouch.
spade
vancouver - Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 00:14:26 (PDT) | #57
I still think the last couple of Morrissey´s solo-albums are better than the first two Smiths ones. And I think that Vauxhall & I, The Queen is Dead and Strangeways, here we come are equally good. And, no, Moz has not lost it. His lyrics are sharper than ever. The only musical part on any Moz-related album I can think of that is really bad is the drum-intro on "the Operation" off of "Southpaw Grammar"
Loretta Scars
Deadham, Mass. - Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 06:27:43 (PDT) | #58
I don't feel that Johnny Marr or Morrissey on their own will ever capture the cold, beautiful sadness of songs like "This night has opened my Eyes" again.
They've both had their moments on their own, but nothing as touching or heartfelt as that.
---my two cents.
Kiss My Shades <[email protected]>
- Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 06:35:19 (PDT) | #59
Oh well Loretta, I tried. I will give Maladjusted and southpaw another listen it you give the first two smiths another one. I really think you're discrediting some fantastic lyrics.Charles Byron. Nobody said we hated morrissey, just that he's lost the spark we once saw in his work. Relax no need to spat off obscenities. We wouldn't be here if we didn't like the man. MozMan we hate. Anyway, it is okay to have oposing viewpoints. This website would be boring without them. Notice how the big morrissey fans always want to kill johnny. Is it not possible to like both? Geez!!!
Daniel
- Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 06:52:46 (PDT) | #60
This has got to be a joke!!!!!!!!!!!1. Your Arsenal
2. Southpaw Grammar
3. Maladjusted
4. Vauxhall, and I
5. Kill Uncle
6. Bona Drag
7. Viva Hate (See S-T-E-V-E-N's Comments Above)
Ken <[email protected]>
Long Island - Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 07:23:10 (PDT) | #61
Let's face it at the end of the day we are all craving for those halcyon days thet were the mid-eighties. Whether or not Marr and Morrissey can reignite that spark in their songwriting is irrelevent, let's just at least see them perform together. Morrissey once said that Marr was his "life support system", and true enough since the split Moz has been slowly dying in the musical dept.
Let's face it Marr wasn't exactly treated well that time he returned from holiday and read in the NME that he had left the band, so animosity probably still thrives. When passionate people fall apart they end up hating each other - fact. However the making up part is usually electric, so lets hope the gig acts as that first spark to bring back what we all crave for. Don't blame Johnny if he has moved on, no matter what crime we think he is guilty of. He was and still is a genius, so is Moz, no question. But don't elevate the pair to messianic proportions, or someone will crucify them. If they play, then they'll play, but they should only do it if they both want to. Don't do it for the media, don't do it for the fans they have to do it for themselves. The Smiths will never reform, it would have to be Morrissey & Marr on an equal footing. "I know it's gonna happen someday"
Ernest Wilde <[email protected]>
Blighty - Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 02:47:55 (PDT) | #62
Hey Daniel, I never gave up on those two first Smiths-album. I LOVE THEM!!!. And the lyrics are probably (definitely) better than those on Southpaw Grammar and Maladjusted. I still think that Moz´s lyrics on Vauxhall & I are the best he´s ever written. I probably like his solo-works better because it doesn´t sound so 80:s as the first two Smiths ones. OK?
Loretta Scars
Deadham, Mass. - Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 08:35:15 (PDT) | #63
loretta-
the first 2 Smiths LPs were the best thing they ever put out!! the first LP was just so passionate and full of beautiful lyrics and melodious tunes that it was unmatched by anything they ever released afterwards(the other stuff was fab as well, but not as fab as that glorious first LP). Morrissey's solo stuff better!?! COME ON!! You got to be kidding right?!? 80s sounding? PLEASE! Take the cotton out of your ears...
george o.
- Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 14:35:30 (PDT) | #64
Surrender the fantasy,why would moz even want to perform with such an @#!!! anyhoo?
unluvuble <[email protected]>
los angeles - Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 15:25:19 (PDT) | #65
Morrissey and Johnny owe eachother absolutely nothing, so do not sound surprised! If the last 12 years have proven anything...it is to cherish the memories.
Jack The Ripper
- Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 17:50:46 (PDT) | #66
Two issues to be raised here: 1)are the Smiths the most important band ever? No. If people are going to say something like that, justify it with fact. 2)Marr is nothing without Morrissey and vice versa. False. The Smiths would not have been
popular without Marr. Is Morrissey mainstream today? No. Because his instrumentals and vocal medlodies arent catchy like they used to be when Marr wrote them. Example - the immense popularity of How soon is now - ever notice how the words are always dubbed out in the commercials its used in? :P
pLUMBer Dave From Buffallo
Toronto - Sun, Sep 05, 1999 at 06:20:10 (PDT) | #67
Johnny is an outstanding music writer. Even Morrissey says so now. Last I heard, Morrissey thinks Marr could play any song on the guitar and make you weep.
It would be great if the two got back together but who are we to judge these other human beings on their descisions. We're not perfect. And who says that they're not perfect by the choices they make.
It's a Morrissey concert. Accept that. If Marr wants to play, so be it. But if he doesn't, don't worry. And stop getting so insecure and defensive: "Who needs you anyway, Marr?!" "You can't play Marr!"
One more thing: I think I know the commercials you're talking about. They don't have vocals because in those commercials they don't have time.
And the car company that uses "How Soon Is Now?" has a series of commercials with music but NO VOCALS. Sorry to bust your bubble, but it's not because of Morrissey's singing, it's just what they do for all of them.
Sean <[email protected]>
- Sun, Sep 05, 1999 at 20:32:28 (PDT) | #68
For all of you who have never done anything musical in your life, it is hard to understand what a band is. Even for some people who are in bands, they limit themselves with an incredibly romantic version of what life should be like. Despite what people like Rogan and Bret act like they know, they suffer from what I've noticed in a lot of biographies written by brits: the one of destiny. Andrew Morton turned Diana Spencer into something akin to King Arthur, as well as those other two writers make it sound like a very sure thing of "of course this was supposed to happen. look at the evidence" and it turns a coming together of 4 musicians into something like Bill and Ted's excellent adventure. Nobody ever talks about the @#!!!ty bands like that. Maybe it was destiny for several crappy singers to come together and form Boyzone. Nobody wants to look at it that way. God intended Morrissey to sing while a bunch of potential fry cooks at McDonalds delayed their fate by forming a crappy band.
Suzanne
Who gives a crap - Mon, Sep 06, 1999 at 00:48:43 (PDT) | #69
I really think you´re wrong there, George. You seem to be one of those people with the "first-single-was-the-greatest" syndrome. Just because an artist realeases a fabolous, stunningly good debut-single/album doesn´t mean they do even better later on in their career. Just listen to the albums objectively and try not to think about which one came first. You´ll find The Queen is Dead is far better than the first album.By the way, my favourite song ever by the Smiths(or Morrissey) is the Headmaster Ritual. A rather early song, that is.
Loretta Scars
Deadham, Mass. - Mon, Sep 06, 1999 at 09:44:40 (PDT) | #70
actually loretta "headmaster ritual" is from "the smiths" album, they're first!! so guess you and george agree on some things.....(and i remember when the queen is dead came out, i laughed, it was a complete turn around for the smiths... most of their music up until then had been serious, the queen is dead was very cynical - my opinion totally). the only two tracks which stood out as non-cynical (to me) were "there is a light" and "i know it's over". frankly mr shankly, somegirls, bigmouth, the queen is dead, cemetary gates, and "boy" were all rather cynical don't you think? now i'm not saying i didn't like those tracks, i did..hugely... ciao julie
julie <[email protected]>
oz - Tue, Sep 07, 1999 at 09:33:13 (PDT) | #71
Actually..."The Headmaster Ritual" is from "Meat Is Murder." Loretta, I don't have that syndrome-it's just a matter of taste and I think the first 2 LPs are just overall beautiful packages--lyrics, music, covers, etc. I love "Queen Is Dead" BUT I think the first 2 are still a whole lot better... and Ken and Daniel--thanks for being some of the only sensible and open minded on the list...
george o.
- Tue, Sep 07, 1999 at 10:00:26 (PDT) | #72
OK, I guess I´ve made my point pretty clear now, so I´ll rest my case on this one. Sorry if I offended anyone of you!
Loretta Scars
Deadham, Mass. - Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 09:28:09 (PDT) | #73
Moz and Marr will reunite, maybe not at coachella, but somewhere(coachella). Like many others, I still believe, THE SMITHS ARE NOT DEAD! THE SMITHS ARE NOT DEAD!
LUCIO <UNRULYBOYS>
Los Angeles Cal - Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 01:07:48 (PDT) | #74
" GIVE INTO LUST JOHNNY , HEAVEN KNOWS WE'LL SOON BE GRAY".
OSCAR <[email protected]>
ONTARIO , CA - Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 10:31:08 (PDT) | #75
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