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Billy Bragg and others comment during "Jo Whiley" show
Posted on Fri, May 21 1999 at 2:14 a.m. PDT
by David T. <david@Morrissey-solo.com>
Thanks to the everyone who sent details about the show. Guests were "tabloid gossip columnist Matthew Wright, soul singer Beverley Knight and the mighty singer/songwriter Billy Bragg", according to Jamie Collins. The show is repeated late on Saturday night (23 May 1999) if anyone is interested, according to Robert.

With the full details is Philip from Nottingham:

The Smiths featured on Channel 4 (UK) show
"Jo Whiley" Wednesday 19th May 1999, 11.35pm

Segment opens with video clips of The Smiths on BBC's 'Top Of The Pops', performing 'Heaven Knows...', 'The Boy with the Thorn...' and 'Shoplifters...'

Jo's guests, Beverley Knight, Matthew Wright and BILLY BRAGG all gave their opinions of the Smiths from the time.

B Knight
was clearly unimpressed, being 'a young girl from the Midlands' and listening to Paul Simon ("You Can Call Me Al"[!]).

M Wright, @university at the time had a friend who "bought into the Smiths big style... looked at his shoes constantly... Morrissey used to annoy me... self indulgent... complicated character... manipulated media..."

BILLY BRAGG, however was much more complimentary:

"[Morrissey] was that kid at school who you knew; who wasn't as tough as everybody else; but was smarter than everybody else, and he was above everybody else. He was getting his influences and he was getting his emotions from somewhere above that little bit of - TV - comic - playground stuff - that you were doing. Because I think you're wrong when you say he was miserable - he wasn't miserable - he was ARCH -you know, he was just - fabulously ARCH, and I miss - so much -the Smiths-Morrissey's lyrics that said - in such a great way, - you know I mean I can write political songs all my life - but to get NOW thing where you've been through school, you've sat all your 'O' levels, you've got your 'A' levels, you been to university perhaps - or maybe not - You get into work - and it STINKS - you know - 'I was looking for a job and then I found a job, and heaven knows I'm miserable now.' I mean that's very political, its very powerful. And because he took that ARCH way, people just took him at face value, but I think beneath that, there was a real, probably one of the best articulators of - and ANGST is not the proper word for it because he didn't just do angst, he did the whole gamut of emotions - I mean , you know, AND look at the bands we have today; I mean check out the lyrics on the new Suede single -'{flatly}- she's in fashion -ooh ooh ooh, she's on the cover of a magazine...' you know and put that next to 'GIRLFRIEND in a COMA'; who could ever write a song like 'Girlfriend In A Coma' and sing it with a straight face - he was - he was - someone who I think, whatever he would have done - he would have succeeded, whether he'd become a writer; as he originally was - or whatever he wanted to do, but his genius of expressing that archness - and when put together with -I would argue- the best guitar player of his generation, and someone - Johnny Marr - who had an ear for a tune - that was just incredible, to listen to the number of tunes those guys came up with - they had the best singles but they also had B-sides that would just walk over everybody else."

Good old Billy eh? When asked if he thought the world missed groups like the Smiths BRAGG said that their music was a product of the time, when Margaret Thatcher was at her most virulent. The conversation was then turned towards HIP-HOP, which BRAGG said was marginalised be the (British) Music Press.


Comments / Notes



Oh, to have Johnny Marr work with Billy on an entire album instead of just one song here and another one there...
GSJ <vauxhall1976@yahoo.com>
Very Far From Home - Fri, May 21, 1999 at 18:24:47 (PDT)



mind you, mr. bragg quoted suede incorrectly.
l'ecole de la chair
nyc - Sat, May 22, 1999 at 22:51:58 (PDT)



Billy Bragg slagging Suede...? Well Billy may write good songs, as does Morrissey, but their problem is that
neither one of them has come up with anything nearly as
brilliant and commercial as the new Suede album for the last decade. I can understand that Billy Bragg is being somewhat bitter. Don´t misunderstand me, I love Morrissey, but frankly
he don´t do much to me novadays.

Pär Lindström <par.lindstrom@delta.telenordia.se>
- Mon, May 24, 1999 at 09:58:30 (PDT)



Suede is a fine combo, but Billy Bragg is a comfort to me, and so is Morrissey. I will continue to buy Suede's albums (I put an advance order in for _Head Music_ even), but Mogsly and Billy mean more to me. Does it honestly matter to you that an album/artist is commercial?

GSJ <vauxhall1976@yahoo.com>
Very Far From Home - Mon, May 24, 1999 at 17:36:57 (PDT)



It doesn´t matter the least to me if the artist is
commercial, I´d rather prefer they weren´t. What I
meant was that I can understand Billy being somewhat sarcastic about Suede seeing them getting
all the money and selling millions of records. And he don´t.

Pär Lindström <par.lindstrom@delta.telenordia.se>
- Tue, May 25, 1999 at 06:37:35 (PDT)



Billy's a socialist! He just doesn't WANT to sell lots of records!
Mike Rice <m.j.rice@lboro.ac.uk>
UK - Tue, May 25, 1999 at 08:35:26 (PDT)



Being a socialist isn't saying you don't want to sell albums. There is no point in releasing it if you don't want to sell it. What he does instead is release albums the way he wants to release them and let them sell on what they are instead of hiring Babyface to make the songs conform to the radio format so the radio programmers feel more comfortable spinning. If you think about it, that idea is actually more democratic than the capitalist model that we trumpet so loudly and snub our communist enemy of the month for not doing. It's saying that the little person can achieve some success and not suffer at the hands of people with lots of money.

Suede on the otherhand are average. After convincing myself to give them a try, I listened as those nasaly vocals grated on my ear drums. I can forgive that, but there is nothing about their s/t album or Coming Up that catches my ear. They don't affect me on any emotional level, and all I can think is that technically it's good, but I feel as much excitement as I do listening to any random band at any club on any given night. Of course, they still rank much higher than Creed or Matchbox 20 who make me cringe.

Suzanne
The Low Rent District (said the apartment manager while trying to keep a straight face) - Wed, May 26, 1999 at 20:55:36 (PDT)



"I mean check out the lyrics on the new Suede single -'{flatly}- she's in fashion -ooh ooh ooh, she's on the cover of a magazine...' you know and put that next to 'GIRLFRIEND in a COMA'; who could ever write a song like 'Girlfriend In A Coma' and sing it with a straight face."

no one could billy, except moz (for that matter, who else could ever listen to it with a straight face, but a moz fan).

i've cut and pasted billy's comments, he's said a whole lot of things i wanted to say.

ciao julie

julie <bauhaus@q-net.net.au>
oz - Sun, May 30, 1999 at 06:03:40 (PDT)



Singing and listening with a straight face are things I never really think about, but it's a bit funny. The first time I heard 'Frankly Mr. Shankly' I was laughing audibly. I still think many of Morrissey's songs are terribly funny, but I don't laugh. Why? I don't know. What I do know is that no one else could have even tried to write "Girlfriend in a Coma". Can you believe David Bret calls it one of Morrissey's "most moving works". That made me laugh...
Chris Lorge <widetoreceive@yahoo.com>
NJ - Mon, May 31, 1999 at 15:42:41 (PDT)



Oh, and another thing: Billy Bragg really hits the nail on the head here. He says that people think Morrissey is depressed, etc., but that he's ARCH. A lot of people think Morrissey is depressing, and I really can't agree. He does run the whole gamut of emotions, and I can't understand people calling him depressing. Is it because some of his songs are serious? Is it because some aren't? (e.g. "Girlfriend in a Coma", a 'depressing' song.) I think he's marvelous!
Chris Lorge <widetoreceive@yahoo.com>
NJ - Mon, May 31, 1999 at 15:53:24 (PDT)



suede sucks... there appalling lack of musicianship and originality are the reason we are stuck with the music we are stuck with on the top 40.

they are a bunch of wannabes.

bestfriendonthepayroll
- Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 22:16:16 (PDT)





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