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I have read the article.
Inevitable are all the comparisons between the early Suede and The SMiths. To me, Suede are now only a parody of themselves, but during the day of Bernard Butler I would be fond of them.
I used to love Suede really very very much and it's a shame looking at them now and noticing they're becoming a "Smash Hits" band.
Anyway, to me, the first Suede album represents a masterpiece in rock history and stands by all my Smiths collection.
Claude <CXC819@spp2.bham.ac.uk> (comc51.bham.ac.uk)
- Mon, May 10, 1999 at 06:01:46 (PDT)
You know what I think is a parody? All these traditionalist fans who can't stand when "their" band evolves and changes...
Henrik Rydéhn <morrissey@manchester-uk.crosswinds.net> (pc5164070.dialup.telia.se)
? - Mon, May 10, 1999 at 07:15:50 (PDT)
Henrik, I couldn't agree more. Most of the gripes I have heard concerning "Suede Mk II" grumble something about how Suede have become a "pop" band or devolved into self-parody (which interestingly enough Brett Anderson mentions happening anyway in the (excellent) Uncut article). But what people aren't mentioning is that 'coming up' was a transition album (from Anderson/Butler to Anderson/Oakes) and I vaguely recall a comment made by Brett about "Coming Up" being the album that was supposed to 'break' Suede in America-so I'm guessing it was made (as mentioned in the Uncut article) intentionally "accessible." I have not yet head "Head Music" as it hasn't come to Austin< TX yet....:)
ANYWAY-for all the grumblers out there, just think if after Johnny Marr split from the Smiths, they had continued (with Ivor Perry for example). Certainly noone thinks that the Smiths wouldn't have evolved artistically (which they did anyway from album to album) after a change like that of the creative Core?
the James <james.lee-next@attws.com> (9baa2722.attws.com)
- Mon, May 10, 1999 at 07:47:37 (PDT)
...in fact Morrissey was clever enough to stop The Smiths there...and he realized that any guitarist who would be joining The Smiths after Johnny MArr whould have been inevitably forced to play "like" Johnny MArr.
Now...if you tell me that Richard Oakes has got his own style, it means that you're probably deaf.
But, on the other hand it's not his fault...he had to replace such a characteristic guitarist like Butler and he had no other chances.
If you read the Uncut article, it says that Bernard was more a bit of an experimental guitarist (listen to Stay Together, Breakdown or The Asphalt World, or even Heroine, than listen to Bernard's solo album and tell me who was the main writer in the first years of their career).
Suede are a parody of themselves because their evolution is not natural...it's happening without a key member of the band. Exactly like it would have been with The Smiths without Johnny.
Morrissey chose to continue on his own and with a genius called Vini Reilly, who is completely different from Johnny Marr. So a new path was established.
And I'm not at all the kind of person criticising all the bands which develop in the years.I've never criticised Morrissey saying "oh but he's nothing without Johnny", you know.
The situation with Suede is completely different.
Claude <CXC819@spp2.bham.ac.uk> (comc56.bham.ac.uk)
- Tue, May 11, 1999 at 06:07:26 (PDT)
The description of "Coming Up" as a 'transition' album is almost perfect... It was extremely... careful? I can't remind myself of ever heard anyone completely hate it, and my explanation of this is that it wasn't a very ground-breaking record, but it was a terribly good collection of popsongs - I think anyone could like it.
And the comments on Richard just being a Bernard-wannabe are, in my opinion, not very fitting... Maybe you can sense a "Bernardy"-touch in the GUITARS, but I think Richard's SONGWRITING is really different (not saying that either one of them is better, have heard that discussion a few times too much) - I don't think Bernard would be able to write a track such as "Filmstar", "Beautiful Ones", "Money", or "Electricity", they have a much more electric "pop" feel to them, know what I mean? Plus Brett Anderson and Neil Codling wrote most of the tracks on "Head Music", (13 tracks, quote: "Written by Anderson except: 1--->Anderson, Codling, Oakes. 3,6,7,12--->Anderson, Codling. 4,5--->Anderson, Oakes. 9--->Codling")
Hope you got that. :)
Henrik Rydéhn <morrissey@manchester-uk.crosswinds.net> (rb7051.dialup.telia.se)
? - Tue, May 11, 1999 at 11:19:10 (PDT)
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