The Myths' Morrissey

interview by Nicholas Wennö
for the Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter (Nov. 23, 1997)

translation by Jakob Hellman
the original interview (in Swedish) available here



Debatt1.jpg (12226 bytes)Park City, USA - "The Smiths were a nail in the eye of the pop industry. We only followed our instincts. We played music in a very economical way and dressed in rags, my voice was bare. I did sing incredibly straight, to the point and we were always troublesome. The Smiths will always be there in my heart," says Steven Patrick Morrissey about the love story that burst. He is now touring alone. In the beginning of December, he’ll come to Sweden.

The group the Smiths made the individualist Morrissey one of the greatest characters in the history of pop music, with strains of Oscar Wilde, James Dean and Lars Norén. His inverted voice, literary brilliance and black humour, was crossed with Johnny Marr’s ingenious guitar melodies.

It wasn’t just the Oasis-star Noel Gallagher that appreciated Smiths singles. Millions of other starving souls were consoled by perhaps the greatest songwriting couple in pop history since Lennon & McCartney. The songs were catchy, provoking and intelligent in the early years of the 80’s, a time dominated by bizarre synthlads. Morrissey sang about loneliness, weariness and impossible love when the new romantics avoided the dull everyday life.

Now, ten years after the greatest band of the 80’s split up, he is touring the USA as Morrissey. To meet him in Park City, the "Twin Peaks" of Utah is completely surrealistic. It’s 45 minutes of car driving to the Mormon city of Salt Lake City, far away from Los Angeles, and light years away from the gloomy working-class suburbs of Manchester, where he grew up.

While waiting for his next gig, he has checked in at Stein Eriksen’s kitschy hotel, among reindeer statues, conference people and newly rich skiers. Surroundings correspond to the singer’s taste for the bizarre. In an expensive Gucci coat he willingly poses in front of the camera, like an old circus-horse.

"The Smiths’ independent sound was never popular during the lifetime of the band. But today, everybody wants to be alternative, REM, Alanis Morissette and so on. But I haven’t been able to benefit from all that, I’m still outside the outside," he says without sounding dissatisfied.

His critics smile at his composed case records and call the music "miserabalism". He wants to be "Manchester’s answer to the H-bomb". "That thing ‘miserabalism’ is just a big lie. People say ‘if you’re depressed; listen to Morrissey’s gothic, gloomy music.’ Just look at my audience, they are very healthy and are not gloomy people. They just want to listen to a human voice, and that’s me," Morrissey says.


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image from print version of Dagens Nyheter
scan by Christian Arvidson (click to enlarge)

While artists like Bowie and Madonna have made a career on changing their look, Moz is always Moz. The thick rockabilly hairdo is certainly dressed, he has got a powdering of grey in his hair but he is still naming his songs with such titles as "Trouble Loves Me" and "Satan Rejected My Soul". But the fact is that he seems happier than Oasis and the British royal family altogether. "Well, for me everything is getting better as the years pass. And it’s rather fun being an Englishman, isn’t it? I still feel very English, despite the fact that England is an internationalized country. But I try to avoid modern influences. I’m one of those boring ones who wants London to remain London, England to remain England. But that’s not a popular opinion."

His voice is soft and it doesn’t sound as strained as when he is singing. "It wasn’t Hitler who destroyed the British architecture, it was ourselves." Morrissey certainly loves Los Angeles, but he is dreaming of the lost England, which no longer exists. An England, which ironically, disappeared at the same time he was born. "But it’s really not only me. The Englishness is indeed an incredibly strong identity. Artistically as well, England is a fantastically strong place, which is more than you can say about most other countries. There, it’s like they are waiting for someone else to do it. England did it. England was that ‘someone else.’"

"And surely, England is full of bullies as well, who are trying to place themselves over the rest of the world, by being superior... but that’s alright," he says and laughs. "The Fiji-islands need England, Wales needs to be a part of England - because if it wasn’t - only God knows what could happen," he says wrinkles his lips and smiles. He likes his cryptic statements, his little sarcasms and his own mysticism. Yet he has dropped his guard and is in a pure confessional mood. "As you know, I’m used to not being able to trust anyone. It has been quite a long and rough journey. I am flattered by the fact that there is a myth about me, but I live a very simple life. Everybody thinks that my experiences are more interesting than others... (Pause for the sake of effect) ...And God should be aware that they’re absolutely right. I am one big exaggeration," he says and guffaws.

Sure, the man is a contradiction: an English international playboy, snobbish working-class, subversive patriot, romantic cynic, aggressive and soft, rude and sophisticated, peaceful - but fascinated by violence at a distance. In addition he doesn’t seem to make any difference out of women and men. Morrissey’s lyrics are loaded with sexual ambivalence, with homoerotic undertones. In Morrissey’s life sexuality is pushed out of its place. He says that he has hardly had sex, and definitely nothing good. Principally he is celibate, nothing he recommends. "That’s just the way it is, some things are placed so deep that you can’t reach them." He gives few clues to his past; never talks about his dad, but sometimes he visits his mother in Manchester.

Therapy hasn’t helped him very much. Morrissey needs his unsuccessful childhood as well, to be the perfect patient. In his songs he is oscillating wildly between pathetic self-pity and a capacity for heaving the beauty of sorrow. In the Smiths song "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out", a car accident becomes a happy ending to an unhappy love story. "I’m only attracted to the things I never can become or get. My pop career would be finished if I found total harmony. You can’t get everything. My life hasn’t been that bad. It would have been more tragic if I still had been alone in some terrible bedroom somewhere. But popular music saved me, and that’s a perfect substitute for love relationships."

Mostly he is listening to typical British pop from the 60’s, 70’s and the 80’s, soul singles and rockabilly. "Today’s popular music is no forum for sensitivity and deeper thoughts, everything is brutalised. And I guess that Oasis is the tip of the iceberg." The fact that he is sounding more tough on stage, he blames on electronic dance music that changed the musical climate. "A live appearance has to be very demonstrative. People want a kick, they want to let loose. And I’m both fascinated and touched by the fact that they want to knock down the stage, want to throw themselves violently, want to touch me. That’s more than you can say of the Rolling Stones. I was shocked when I watched them on TV. Nothing happened, nobody wanted to touch the Stones. And they themselves are of course absurd: Jagger imitating Jagger and the rest of them looking like they were buried 12 years ago. The Rolling Stones are an after-death experience, the ultimate freak-show. They should be locked in cages at a circus, being fed with bananas, and covered by a blanket at night."

He has never tried to curry favour with his pop colleagues, and hardly ever wants to go to his own release parties. "I must confess that I’ve never wanted to be in the gang. I dislike backthumps and I am not able to say sweet things about pop colleagues, only because you’ve met in some hotel lobby. I prefer saying mean things about people I like" (laugh).

He will never be able to forgive the NME, for accusing him of being a racist, due to his turbid patriotic statements, nor did like that he wrapped himself in the Union Jack and flirted with skinhead symbolism. The NME attacked him for writing the song "National Front Disco", from the record Your Arsenal where Morrissey sings about a young man who loses himself to the dark forces of the right-extremism. "I’ve never been a racist, and will never be. I can’t. I am to intelligent being a racist. "National Front Disco" is not a racist song and nobody I’ve met thinks that. Worse is that a lot at NME thought that. They wanted to assassinated me."

Football gives him greater kicks than both sex and the British press. Even if it’s hard to follow Man U in the out-of-the way spots of Utah. "But football is actually one of those things that make you shiver, an out-of-the-body feeling, that makes me float in a very childish way. If I have an ambition, that is being more interested in sports, I think it’s fantastic," Morrissey says, who is longing for the World Championships in France 1998.

But he is also critical. "It has become so trendy, loving football, everybody writes football books and make football movies. Suddenly I meet people who are trying to be sophisticated pop-musicologians and talk about ‘the scent of grass.’"

"England is also full of rich people, trying to make a gimmick out of being working-class, especially in pop music, which is supposed to originally come from the gutter. Suddenly everyone should want to prove that they have a down-to-earth soul and belong to the people. Then next year when the fashion changes, everyone will be waxing their limousines and talking about Jean Genet again. I was non-working class myself, trying to become working-class (laugh). Although I have money nowadays, I think everyday that somebody will come take everything away. Perhaps I won’t live that long... I could go up in that ski lift tomorrow and Bang! the chain breaks."

That would be shame, when old Moz slowly starts to grow up.


 

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