New Morrissey interview on Greek website LiFO (July 4, 2012)

Originally Posted by davidt

The detail about me asking for $3000 / month to stop 'negative stories' is not true. I did meet with Merck around the time he was proposing a management package and I said I would be open to working with Morrissey on changes to the site but no dollar amount was discussed. He approached me about meeting without saying what it was about. I don't know what Merck actually said to Morrissey but I did not hear back after the initial meeting.

It would be hilarious if you issued him a cease and desist order...

Originally Posted by davidt

The detail about me asking for $3000 / month to stop 'negative stories' is not true. I did meet with Merck around the time he was proposing a management package and I said I would be open to working with Morrissey on changes to the site but no dollar amount was discussed. He approached me about meeting without saying what it was about. I don't know what Merck actually said to Morrissey but I did not hear back after the initial meeting.

Thanks David. Morrissey twisting the truth again then, tut tut.

I wonder what Moz meant by the "...clearly about the Smiths..." remark ? I gather the translation muddies the waters but ... ? Even the most cursory scan of the site reveals people (yes,I'm one of them) baying for recent set lists, hoarded Moz demos and a new album. Admittedly , I haven't browsed that keenly but I'm yet to come across thousands of comments devoted to , I don't know, some 1984 Scunthorpe Polytechnic gig for example.

As ever, who knows ?

Originally Posted by MorrisseyessirroM

http://www.lifo.gr/mag/features/3314

I am not good is Greek-English translations but one question and its answer is of great interest.

Q:Why do you dislike so much morrissey-solo.com ?

A: I don't like the fact that a site using my name is clearly about the Smiths and not for Morrissey.
This site highlights negativism or even more,it is looking for it, a thing that annoys most of people I know.
So,it has become a vechicle for Morrissey haters and no one I know visits this site anymore.The owner claims
that this is an open forum but since everyone posts under the name "Anonymous" how can this be considered open?
The owner of this site approached my former manager last year,saying that all the negative stories would be ended,
if I would pay him 3000 dollars per month.I think this talks by itself.

(This translation is not good because it was made from english to greek and from greek to english,but this is the basic story anyway.)

I believe that his answer explains a lot of stuff going on here...

That is just not true. Oh dear.

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Well, David T quite casually lies when it suits his cause (claiming that a user was a known former banned user which simply wasn't true, then using that as an excuse to ban a username posting negative things about this site). So there's no reason to believe a word he says on anything & it's 100% believable that he would try to bribe M's manager and then lie about it afterwards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, David T quite casually lies when it suits his cause (claiming that a user was a known former banned user which simply wasn't true, then using that as an excuse to ban a username posting negative things about this site). So there's no reason to believe a word he says on anything & it's 100% believable that he would try to bribe M's manager and then lie about it afterwards.

100% ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, David T quite casually lies when it suits his cause (claiming that a user was a known former banned user which simply wasn't true, then using that as an excuse to ban a username posting negative things about this site). So there's no reason to believe a word he says on anything & it's 100% believable that he would try to bribe M's manager and then lie about it afterwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

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Originally Posted by 2-J

Thanks David. Morrissey twisting the truth again then, tut tut.

Im under the impression Morrissey lies a lot, actually. Not a commendable trait.

Well, someone doesn't have been true. Now the only thing we can do is to find out who's.

Originally Posted by CrystalGeezer

Im under the impression Morrissey lies a lot, actually. Not a commendable trait.

I gave my perspective. Perhaps Merck did actually say to him "davidt approached me the other day and said he would remove all negative stories on Morrissey-solo for $3000 a month". Things like this could have certainly been cleared up before making this statement to the press as my contact information is easily accessible, but it seems he'd prefer to use this as others have mentioned before, to appear as a victim.

Originally Posted by Raphael Lambach

Well, someone doesn't have been true. Now the only thing we can do is to find out who's.

Many (I didn't say most) of us post with the names we registered with...Yes, I agree, way too many anonymous people post here, and that should stop. Those who focus on The Smiths are also just as much interested in Morrissey's solo career, but i do understand where he's coming from on how a great number of posts are extremely negative and out right mean. However, those like myself, for instance, usually post positive comments about Morrissey and try to add uplifting and encouraging messages. So, it hurts when he looks over that.

It sounds like to me, David, that Morrissey's manager went back and told him what he thought would upset him even more. If you want to work with Morrissey to make this website better, you're going to have to go directly to Morrissey in writing through his lawyers. If that part was translated correctly.

I adore Morrissey. Always will, but maybe he should open his own website for people to communicate and discuss his work - with no mention of the other Smiths. I love The Smiths music, but I couldn't care less about the other nand members.

About negativity, tho, I have to say one thing. When someone from his camp attacks us first for no real reason other than for attention, well, that in itself stems from the very root of negativity! Of course we're going to retaliate. That's the only time I get upset and post negative messages. Oh well...I dunno. It's difficult being a Morrissey fan for this reason. Those of us who are not haters, yet come here because its really the only place to visit for updates (where we can actually make comments and discussion) feel neglected, sadly. O think he needs to re-evaluate the situation and realise its not all one-sided. Do something to stop the negativity, Morrissey. I say that with love, I really do. This was written in hast on my phone, so forgive me for any mistakes!

Originally Posted by Uncleskinny

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

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http://suite101.com/article/what-are...-liars-a132547

• Lie to control and get their own way
• Often change stories
• Live in their own reality most of the time
• Lie for sympathy
• Contradict what they say because they don't remember their lies, although there are exceptions

Notice when cornered about the nature of this site (see the thread titled "Information regarding reports of retirement") David Tseng seems to live in his own reality, his story often changes, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://suite101.com/article/what-are...-liars-a132547

• Lie to control and get their own way
• Often change stories
• Live in their own reality most of the time
• Lie for sympathy
• Contradict what they say because they don't remember their lies, although there are exceptions

Notice when cornered about the nature of this site (see the thread titled "Information regarding reports of retirement") David Tseng seems to live in his own reality, his story often changes, etc.

Could you give some examples where David's "...story often changes", please, with links and references.

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"(davidt): The detail about me asking for $3000 / month to stop 'negative stories' is not true. I did meet with Merck around the time he was proposing a management package (Jan. 2011) and I said I would be open to working with Morrissey on changes to the site but no dollar amount was discussed. He approached me about meeting without saying what it was about. I don't know what Merck actually said to Morrissey but I did not hear back after the initial meeting."

Interesting that you say that no dollar amount was discussed but you don`t say that money wasn`t discussed.

Originally Posted by davidt

The detail about me asking for $3000 / month to stop 'negative stories' is not true. I did meet with Merck around the time he was proposing a management package (Jan. 2011) and I said I would be open to working with Morrissey on changes to the site but no dollar amount was discussed. He approached me about meeting without saying what it was about. I don't know what Merck actually said to Morrissey but I did not hear back after the initial meeting.

Come on David why don't you tell us what was said? What does "Proposing a management package" actually mean? Why are you being so vague? What exactly was Merk suggesting and what would you get in return? If you are suggesting Morrissey is lying or has been misinformed then why not tell us the full truth?

Originally Posted by smiler

Come on David why don't you tell us what was said? What does "Proposing a management package" actually mean? Why are you being so vague? What exactly was Merk suggesting and what would you get in return? If you are suggesting Morrissey is lying or has been misinformed then why not tell us the full truth?

If you read David's subsequent post you will see David suggest that what Morrissey said is simply not true. Now, it might well be that Merck said something to Morrissey that David did not say himself, you don't know, I don't know, only Merck knows that. But what Morrissey has said in the press is not true.

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Originally Posted by Uncleskinny

If you read David's subsequent post you will see David suggest that what Morrissey said is simply not true. Now, it might well be that Merck said something to Morrissey that David did not say himself, you don't know, I don't know, only Merck knows that. But what Morrissey has said in the press is not true.

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Yes i saw his other post and I realise what it meant I am sure David can answer for himself, not sure why you responded as your post answers exactly none of my questions. So we know David and Merk met, David says a "management package" was discussed. But what i am asking is what was the proposal exactly?

Originally Posted by smiler

Yes i saw his other post and I realise what it meant I am sure David can answer for himself, not sure why you responded as your post answers exactly none of my questions. So we know David and Merk met, David says a "management package" was discussed. But what i am asking is what was the proposal exactly?

You're going to have to ask David and Merck that, assuming they want to tell, but I'm not sure that's the point here. Morrissey has said something in a press interview about David that is untrue.

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Originally Posted by smiler

Yes i saw his other post and I realise what it meant I am sure David can answer for himself, not sure why you responded as your post answers exactly none of my questions. So we know David and Merk met, David says a "management package" was discussed. But what i am asking is what was the proposal exactly?

Uncleskinny knows the details as we did talk privately about it at the time.

There aren't really any other details besides what I mentioned, during the meeting we were talking mostly about other things. There wasn't any actual 'proposal' as far as I was concerned, I told Merck I'd be willing to work with him / Morrissey on changes to the site and that was pretty much it. Merck mentioned getting together some management package as Morrissey was looking for a manager at the time apparently. As you might recall, he went with Ron Laffitte instead (See Morrissey under new management - Ron Laffitte; Hop Farm details at true-to-you.net, Mar, 4, 2011).

If it meant 'delete any post that mentions The Smiths' or 'stop anonymous posts or anything critical in general and make it more like true-to-you' it probably wouldn't have worked out very well.