Morrissey interview in Folha de S.Paulo (Brasil)

If he's discouraged by lack of label interest, I don't know why he's still holding out on playing some of the new songs he has written live. He seems to realize that he can't tour WPINOYB forever. Why not toss in one or two new songs then?
 
"progress"???
Ordem e progresso? or Desordem e regresso?

-"Where are you? Have you passed the Slough of Despond? Are you nearing the Valley of Humiliation? Having lunch at Gaius's inn? You've lost your GPS, haven't you?

-Yeah listen all I know is, I'm in a big city... "

:D
 
There are plenty of artists older than Morrissey who continue to tour, but the difference is they are either comfortable being a 'nostalgia' act, or they are still putting new albums out (Paul McCartney manages to do both).

Two years very difficult, and I'm exhausted. No substantial interest in any record, then after the show in Las Vegas on January 2, I do not see how I can continue. We could actually be on tour forever, but it works more with new songs. Above all, it is the progress-not the nostalgia- that feeds you emotionally

I can see how if Morrissey isn't making any progress in his musical career but has come to a halt, it must be draining - no matter how enjoyable the individual shows are. This seems pretty much the same as the statement before the London shows that he would probably not be back again.

I expect after the new year, Morrissey will finally have finished touring everywhere he can with 'World Peace' (which he can't even find anyone to reissue), then take a long break of a year or so to think about it. If he comes back and tours again, it's either going to have to be as a nostalgia act trading on his past, or he's going to have to do what he did in 2002 - get together a whole new bunch of songs, and start shopping them to labels and playing them on tour. Whether he has the energy to go through that whole process again at 57 years old is to be seen.
 
He should keep writing songs, books and doing tours. Naturally there are ups and downs in an artist's career, but each person has a gift and a burden. He still has a lot to say and knows how to make people listen to him. True artists produce their best work when they reach maturity. Word Peace.. is a proof of that, probably too ahead of its time.

"Si se calla el cantor... calla la vida"
 
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there is no interest in his records or books. no contract and after the list of the lost fiasco he will have to self publish any future literary endeavors which translates to on more moz gay ghost books. its a sad fact but we must face it with valor.
tours too are decreasing in demand, with latest bookings in handball courts, yacht clubs and golf clubs.

its a bitter pill but there it is.
 
there is no interest in his records or books. no contract and after the list of the lost fiasco he will have to self publish any future literary endeavors which translates to on more moz gay ghost books. its a sad fact but we must face it with valor.
tours too are decreasing in demand, with latest bookings in handball courts, yacht clubs and golf clubs.

its a bitter pill but there it is.

Yep. The reason a lot of venues weren't sold out is because he's over saturating the market. He's touring and touring and outside of his cult, most people won't pay $100 to see someone they saw last year.
 
I wondered how he was holding up , he has been on tour for 9 months. He must be exhausted. I do think though there is no need to state "what is the point of touring" even if he does want to take a break unless he is trying to scare us. His fans really do love him very much. He seemed so happy in the videos I watched of the shows. There would be a big
hole in his heart if he didn't tour. Here is hoping for a new album.
 
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There are plenty of artists older than Morrissey who continue to tour, but the difference is they are either comfortable being a 'nostalgia' act, or they are still putting new albums out (Paul McCartney manages to do both).



I can see how if Morrissey isn't making any progress in his musical career but has come to a halt, it must be draining - no matter how enjoyable the individual shows are. This seems pretty much the same as the statement before the London shows that he would probably not be back again.

I expect after the new year, Morrissey will finally have finished touring everywhere he can with 'World Peace' (which he can't even find anyone to reissue), then take a long break of a year or so to think about it. If he comes back and tours again, it's either going to have to be as a nostalgia act trading on his past, or he's going to have to do what he did in 2002 - get together a whole new bunch of songs, and start shopping them to labels and playing them on tour. Whether he has the energy to go through that whole process again at 57 years old is to be seen.

Must have been approached to reissue 'World Peace' But who will release it on his terms ? It's a different world
more so now in the 'music industry' and it's more of a machine now than ever. Could only pray that he'll bend to some bearable contract and release new music.
 
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If Morrissey wanted to record a new album he could easily. Is he afraid of having that much control over the entire process if he did it DIY?

In his estimation no record company does him justice with promotion so why wait for the inevitable disappointment? Why not book a studio, hire a producer and start singing?
 
If Morrissey wanted to record a new album he could easily. Is he afraid of having that much control over the entire process if he did it DIY?

In his estimation no record company does him justice with promotion so why wait for the inevitable disappointment? Why not book a studio, hire a producer and start singing?

Because he likes spending other people's money, simple as that. In addition, I guess he believes it would be infra dig, and why should he when his status demands people come knocking for him.
 
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DIY is for the plebs and moz sees himself as some sort of aristocrat. he knows macca and bowie and the rest of them would have a laugh at the news of him going the kickstarter route. hes not going to give them the satisfaction thats why no indie for moz.

spending his own money is out of the question.
 
I wondered how he was holding up , he has been on tour for 9 months. He must be exhausted. I do think though there is no need to state "what is the point of touring" even if he does want to take a break unless he is trying to scare us. His fans really do love him very much. He seemed so happy in the videos I watched of the shows. There would be a big
hole in his heart if he didn't tour. Here is hoping for a new album.
Boo hoo hoo. Working every other day for a few hours a couple months a year. Try working in the coal mines or an intern at a hospital. Both jobs earning no where near what Morrissey makes.
 
Boo hoo hoo. Working every other day for a few hours a couple months a year. Try working in the coal mines or an intern at a hospital. Both jobs earning no where near what Morrissey makes.

Tell me about it. All his cult psychos are constantly playing the violin. f*** me, if I was half as rich as him
 
Because he likes spending other people's money, simple as that. In addition, I guess he believes it would be infra dig, and why should he when his status demands people come knocking for him.
Agreed, and it's probably influenced by his staunch traditionalism with regards to the way the music industry works, with maybe a bit of nostalgia for yesteryear as well. When he was a young music obsessive, landing a label deal signified status; it was a sure sign of one's success and relevance (see also: chart positions). This was the case for many, many years, and continued to be so well into Morrissey's solo career, but within the last ten years there has been a massive paradigm shift in the music industry, in terms of both music production and distribution. Major labels are no longer necessary to "get in the game," and because technology has leveled the playing field so tremendously, the main services major labels provide (recording, distribution, marketing) now easily fall within the hands of smaller indie labels that often seem to be more in touch with market and culture trends, and even the artists themselves. It honestly seems like Morrissey hasn't realized this yet. Adapting to the current model would be a smart move for Morrissey, but unfortunately I don't think he will ever be convinced that this is the case. He's never exactly been one to embrace innovation or change.

Furthermore, the indie/DIY route often involves creating a direct channel between audience and performer, and for someone who enjoys being larger than life, inaccessible, mysterious, it is not exactly an ideal situation for Morrissey, who considers such practices slumming it. Which is unfortunate, as people like David Byrne, Michael Gira, Nine Inch Nails, De La Soul, Radiohead, and many, many more well-established, well-respected (not to mention older) acts have utilized crowdfunding, pay-what-you-want sales models, fan-sourced video projects, and other creative, engaging methods in putting their music out and getting shit done. They're just a lot more willing to take risks and extend that line of communication with their fanbase.

These experiments haven't exactly been duds, either. De La Soul raised $600,874.00 from 11,169 backers to fund their new album earlier this year, at the time the second-highest ever amount raised for a music-related Kickstarter (the first, of course, being $1.2mil. from Amanda Palmer). Michael Gira's humble, hand-made fundraising CDs continue to raise thousands of dollars to cover the recording costs for Swans. The pay-what-you-want model is riskier for up and coming artists, but for someone like Trent Reznor with a dedicated fanbase, it meant raking in $750,000 even when buyers were given the option to download the music for free.

While I can understand why some people view this sort of thing as a lowly pursuit, or "begging," I have a difficult time viewing that point of view as anything other than foolish. When artists crowdfund, they are simply cutting out the middleman and establishing direct exchange between artist and fan. Instead of relying solely on sales at music stores, online retailers like iTunes, Amazon, etc. and other less direct avenues, they're opening up a an additional, much more personal and direct avenue to generate sales. If this is "begging," then what makes relying on a label sugar daddy to put up money so much more legitimate? Especially as the costs are later recouped through the same means, anyway: through sales. It all goes back to the now largely obsolete idea of major labels being the be-all, end-all of status and success for recording artists.

Writing as a fan of many artists who choose the DIY avenue, it is for me an invigorating, exciting and rewarding exchange and certainly seems to be so for the artist. They are rid of the restrictions and nuisances often encountered with labels, they can create and deliver their music on their terms, and they foster a sense of community between themselves and their audience, who made it possible. It can be a risky endeavor, but for someone like Morrissey with an extremely dedicated following, it would be tremendously beneficial. For how much Morrissey has expressed disgust and frustration with his experiences working with labels, for him to seemingly care more about what label he's on than creating music and getting it out there is perplexing, vexing, and a great shame.
 
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Agreed, and it's probably influenced by his staunch traditionalism with regards to the way the music industry works, with maybe a bit of nostalgia for yesteryear as well. When he was a young music obsessive, landing a label deal signified status; it was a sure sign of one's success and relevance (see also: chart positions). This was the case for many, many years, and continued to be so well into Morrissey's solo career, but within the last ten years there has been a massive paradigm shift in the music industry, in terms of both music production and distribution. Major labels are no longer necessary to "get in the game," and because technology has leveled the playing field so tremendously, the main services major labels provide (recording, distribution, marketing) now easily fall within the hands of smaller indie labels that often seem to be more in touch with market and culture trends, and even the artists themselves. It honestly seems like Morrissey hasn't realized this yet. Adapting to the current model would be a smart move for Morrissey, but unfortunately I don't think he will ever be convinced that this is the case. He's never exactly been one to embrace innovation or change.

Furthermore, the indie/DIY route often involves creating a direct channel between audience and performer, and for someone who enjoys being larger than life, inaccessible, mysterious, it is not exactly an ideal situation for Morrissey, who considers such practices slumming it. Which is unfortunate, as people like David Byrne, Michael Gira, Nine Inch Nails, De La Soul, Radiohead, and many, many more well-established, well-respected (not to mention older) acts have utilized crowdfunding, pay-what-you-want sales models, fan-sourced video projects, and other creative, engaging methods in putting their music out and getting shit done. They're just a lot more willing to take risks and extend that line of communication with their fanbase.

These experiments haven't exactly been duds, either. De La Soul raised $600,874.00 from 11,169 backers to fund his new album earlier this year, at the time the second-highest ever amount raised for a music-related Kickstarter (the first, of course, being $1.2mil. from Amanda Palmer). Michael Gira's humble, hand-made fundraising CDs continue to raise thousands of dollars to cover the recording costs for Swans. The pay-what-you-want model is riskier for up and coming artists, but for someone like Trent Reznor with a dedicated fanbase, it meant raking in $750,000 even when buyers were given the option to download the music for free.

While I can understand why some people view this sort of thing as a lowly pursuit, or "begging," I have a difficult time viewing that point of view as anything other than foolish. When artists crowdfund, they are simply cutting out the middleman and establishing direct exchange between artist and fan. Instead of relying solely on sales at music stores, online retailers like iTunes, Amazon, etc. and other less direct avenues, they're opening up a an additional, much more personal and direct avenue to generate sales. If this is "begging," then what makes relying on a label sugar daddy to put up money so much more legitimate? Especially as the costs are later recouped through the same means, anyway: through sales. It all goes back to the now largely obsolete idea of major labels being the be-all, end-all of status and success for recording artists.

Writing as a fan of many artists who choose the DIY avenue, it is for me an invigorating, exciting and rewarding exchange and certainly seems to be so for the artist. They are rid of the restrictions and nuisances often encountered with labels, they can create and deliver their music on their terms, and they foster a sense of community between themselves and their audience, who made it possible. It can be a risky endeavor, but for someone like Morrissey with an extremely dedicated following, it would be tremendously beneficial. For how much Morrissey has expressed disgust and frustration with his experiences working with labels, for him to seemingly care more about what label he's on than creating music and getting it out there is perplexing, vexing, and a great shame.

100% on the money.
 
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