Etty Hillesum and other references in Morrissey's "Autobiography"

Re: Morrissey Autobiography: hard for non-native speakers

I'm from Germany and 28 years old, so it was quite hard for me to get the references in Autobiography. Actually I think it will took me a long time to get all of them. I found myself using Google constantly and that just for references who were quite obviously that: references. But, for example, just yesterday I discovered that 'Johnny I Hardy Knew Ye' is a popular traditional song or that 'Yakety Yak' was a song by Leiber & Stoller for The Coasters. Now I google almost everything, it's quite distressing. So I thought I start a thread for everyone who found a odd reference which most people wouldn't instantly spot.

Today I googled 'down on my knees beside a little white table' from page 411 and this is what emerged:

Etty: The Letters and Diaries of Etty Hillesum, 1941-1943 page 256 (in relation to reading I Corinthians 13)
"And when I read these words, I felt as if - yes, as if what? I cannot yet express it properly. They worked on me like a divining rod that touched the bottom of my heart, causing hidden sources to spring up suddenly within me. All at once I was down on my knees beside the little white table and all my released love coursed through me again, purged of desire, envy, spite, etc."

For me it sounds like something Moz would like. About Etty Hillesum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etty_Hillesum

Regarding Etty Hillesum: I read her diaries a couple of years ago by accident and found them to be very excellent. And, indeed, her whole mindset and her use of language reminded very strongly of a certain Mancunian with a quiff.
 
Re: Morrissey Autobiography: hard for non-native speakers

i remember the first time i found that jumped up pantry boy was from a novel. i love easter egg stuff
 
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Morrissey actually stole that line from a play(later adapted into a film) 'Sleuth': https://youtu.be/JwRPEmebq6w

possibly so but what im reffereing to is a piece from like q or something that had a bunch smiths easter egg stuff and one of them, next to the russ mysers bit, was that from some victorian novel id never read but the quote from the book looked pretty similar next to mozs line.
 
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I'm from Germany and 28 years old, so it was quite hard for me to get the references in Autobiography. Actually I think it will took me a long time to get all of them. I found myself using Google constantly and that just for references who were quite obviously that: references. But, for example, just yesterday I discovered that 'Johnny I Hardy Knew Ye' is a popular traditional song or that 'Yakety Yak' was a song by Leiber & Stoller for The Coasters. Now I google almost everything, it's quite distressing. So I thought I start a thread for everyone who found a odd reference which most people wouldn't instantly spot.

Today I googled 'down on my knees beside a little white table' from page 411 and this is what emerged:

Etty: The Letters and Diaries of Etty Hillesum, 1941-1943 page 256 (in relation to reading I Corinthians 13)
"And when I read these words, I felt as if - yes, as if what? I cannot yet express it properly. They worked on me like a divining rod that touched the bottom of my heart, causing hidden sources to spring up suddenly within me. All at once I was down on my knees beside the little white table and all my released love coursed through me again, purged of desire, envy, spite, etc."

For me it sounds like something Moz would like. About Etty Hillesum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etty_Hillesum
 
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possibly so but what im reffereing to is a piece from like q or something that had a bunch smiths easter egg stuff and one of them, next to the russ mysers bit, was that from some victorian novel id never read but the quote from the book looked pretty similar next to mozs line.

Not from Q etc...
However, a lot of his 'lifts' here :)
Regards,
FWD
http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~moz/nicked.htm
 
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I think you have a find there. I'm impressed - I wouldnt have noticed this sentence to be an intertextual element. Does the Mancunian with quiff use the quote in the same meaning as Etty Hillesum?

The diary entry pretty much circles around her longing for two men (I think). The part in Autobiography describes Morrissey's feelings towards his audience.

Etty Hillesum Diaries: 27 Feb. [1942], Friday morning, 10 o'clock (Page 255)
"And yet, his voice is one big caress."
"'How nice and strange the way you live these days, the way you just go on living your life and intellectualizing everything.' Oh yes, intellectualizing."

Autobiography (Page 411)
"The security struggles in the mix, but all I see is one great caress. Were Smiths concerts ever as wild? Sometimes. Must it all be intellectualized? Yes."
 
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Not from Q etc...
However, a lot of his 'lifts' here :)
Regards,
FWD
http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~moz/nicked.htm

apparently its just common victorian parlance for a rent boy or whore (had to go look it up). im guessing a few victorian novels ive never read probably contain the phrase. ive heard about sleuth before and have all the dissecting morrissey smiths books but learned this phrase from a magazince piece. definitely a british one such as q uncut or mojo (along those lines if you know music mags at all)
 
Interesting. Keep looking and don't give up !

Johnny has said plenty of times that he loved Leiber & Stoller - as many do/did.
But then again, for some reason, he didn't seem to "like" Cilla Black tunes.....
But he likes The Byrds.
This should tell you that guitarists are VERY fickle.
Maybe he likes Cilla Black tunes now ?

- ! -
 
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Interesting. I'm not a 100% sure (being a German 40+), but maybe the intellectualize-caress contrast is kind of a common topos in English language? If you google intellectualize and caress you will find many other examples, for example in Coleridge.

Of course I'm not sure about it. It's just something I stumbled upon. If there were just the words "caress" and "intellectualized" on one page, then I would never have thought anything about it. But if you add the sentence "I was down on my knees beside the little white table" then the possibility increases. And, as one anonymous poster who read the diaries said, she sounds very similar to Moz, writes about similar topics. She is very dramatic, passionate and over the top (I since read some parts myself). But propably it's all coincidance.
 

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