New Marky Ramone interview - comments on Morrissey

Well in all fairness Morrissey was a teenager when he wrote that review. I didn't appreciate a lot of good music when I was that age.
 
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According to this article, Marky has "written a memoir that holds absolutely nothing back and should be the last word on the Fab Five from Forest Hills (and Brooklyn)." An interesting interview.

The last Ramone standing: “We were 90 percent fun and 10 percent pent-up animosity” - Salon
Marky Ramone on losing his bandmates, why he didn't punch Johnny in the mouth, and that scathing Morrissey review
by Marc Spitz

Excerpt:

You have a pretty good bullshit detector. You can tell who the true fans are and who they aren’t.

Like this guy Morrissey. When the Ramones went there to promote their first album, he wrote the most scathing review of the first album that I ever read. Now, he’s a big Ramones fan and he’s sorry he wrote the review, and Rhino and Warner’s is letting him choose an album [Morrissey Curates the Ramones] that we just put out the songs on. They let him choose the songs on it. This guy who hated the Ramones.

Maybe he didn’t get it yet?

That’s not the point. You either get it or you don’t.

Lester Bangs. When “Exile on Main Street” came out, Lester famously trashed it, and then he ran a retraction of his review saying this is a great, great record. Sometimes, especially when you’re young, you want to be iconoclastic. It’s my tendency to defend Morrissey because I’m a fan. I’m just playing devil’s advocate.

You don’t go back on your word.

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wow thats kinda a weird thing to say and it must be sorta hypocritical in some way. im sure marky has changed how he feels from when he was a teenager to now. if he hasnt, and thats kinda unbelievable, then i just find it a bit sad. everyone changes, the ramones changed a bunch, and so does there tastes and thoughts as they grow from experience. to expect people to hold the same opinion from when they were a teenager is weird to me but oh well. hes probably mad im guessing as i would be if the company gave someone else the power to choose songs on a best of that contained my music. his mention of that fact i think is where hes mad and understandably so.
 
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Well in all fairness Morrissey was a teenager when he wrote that review. I didn't appreciate a lot of good music when I was that age.
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What is 'good' music? Either you enjoy it or are inspired by it, or not? Morrissey has built the central part of his media persona on a claim that his choice of cultural artefacts as a teenager was prophetic and raised him above the rabble. It's slightly illogical to both claim that you were always right about a/b/c yet claim the privilege to retrospectively change what you were spectacularly wrong about. He ranted about the Stones only to later recant. Marky Ramone is perfectly entitled to dismiss Morrissey as an insincere arriviste just as Morrissey dismissed the Ramones. The rest of us manage to live perfectly well by remaining flexible and exercising the scandalous option of changing our minds about such First World Problems as what music/sub-cultural style we currently give our 'thumbs up' to.

I'm surprised Marky didn't blast Morrissey for his absurd attempt to appropriate the Ramones for his homoerotic fantasies with 'that' cover. Morrissey's life seems to be no more than a Tumbl/Pinterest collection of hipster signals. Prior to the internet, his curation of obscure or ignored cultural artefacts was both interesting and amusing and challenged the historicial certainties of taste when there were gatekeepers like the NME dictating what was and wasn't hip, whether it was Prog or Punk.

Of course, he only wanted to be annointed as the next orthodoxy. It's funny how the world has turned out and how the Internet has exposed him as just another blogger/curator, albeit one with an extraordinary voice and excellent lyrics and vocal melodies. I love how he tries to hoover up dead celebs to add to his altar of influences, almost as if by eulogising Lou Reed he remakes Lou into part of The Morrissey Project. Ditto The Ramones. Nice try, but jesus, what a chancer! Apparently Steve Strange is the next one for you all to 'suddenly' appreciate and add to your list alongside....Tom Jones and Cliff Richard.*rollseyes*

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"You don't go back on your word." Well, Markey's wrong about that. People go back and change their mind about art all the time. If you can't change and adapt you limit yourself. If you can't admit you made a mistake and be forgiven you might as well give-up and shut up.
 
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R E Howard said:
"You don't go back on your word." Well, Markey's wrong about that. People go back and change their mind about art all the time. If you can't change and adapt you limit yourself. If you can't admit you made a mistake and be forgiven you might as well give-up and shut up.
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i so agree howard. i really think hes just frustrated at the lack of control he has over the release and that it sorta promotes morrissey through his work which is understandably frustrating
 
R E Howard said:
"You don't go back on your word." Well, Markey's wrong about that. People go back and change their mind about art all the time. If you can't change and adapt you limit yourself. If you can't admit you made a

mistake and be forgiven you might as well give-up and shut up.
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Forgiven? By who? The Style Police? The Hipster Cool Council? Most sensible people build their lives and friendships on something of slightly more importance than whether or not they approve of other's choices of records or bands. Morrissey was clearly a ludicrous snob in his youth. Many of his choices were ignored by the mainstream NME consensus and it was fun to see Morrissey champion them whilst being elevated to be the NME consensus himself. Now, NME and Morrissey have little power to wield and everybody else feels free to mix and match with whatever amuses them at the time.

Of course, Morrissey's failed attempt to turn the pop song into some sort of secular religious substitute doesn't sit well with this Spotify world of playlists. Nobody is going to give him the credentials he had when he was the latest mouth-piece for NME and the record companies insisting that their were 'genius stars' and the rest was rubbish. Morrissey insists that nearly every other band is rubbish, unless he likes them. He now lives in a world where everyone else can dismiss him as rubbish if they don't like him. And guess what? On Social Media, he's no God like he was when NME controlled the musical landscape. He's an interesting legacy Boomer singer who is good for occassional lulz when he wigs out and makes controversial statements about his pet peeves.

The real story in all this is not The Ramones of The Smiths, it's how Google, Apple and Spotify exposed the truth, that music is just another 'lifstyle condiment' that people use to buffer their social media profiles or soundtrack their dinner parties. Nobody now believes it has revolutionary political or aesthetic potential other than old loons like Morrissey. Everybody was looking for the next Beatles, but it turns out Technology Destroyed The Pop Music Industry. Including it's self-appointed saviour, Morrissey.

A refreshing blast of common sense from Marky which soundly debunks Morrissey's endless revisionism. Thank God that cover of the naked sailors was nixed by The Ramones and/or Rhino. It's a real mistake letting Morrissey try to re-write the history of The Ramones as part of his own attempts to re-write his epicFAIL! episode of dissing them as a teenager. And if Marky was a real punk he'd have nothing to do with 40 year retrospectives either. It's just a job, always was. And the 'rebel yell' was always fake. Now it's all embalmed on Spotify like a museum of nonsense, including, of course, The Smiths and Morrissey, including WPINOYB once Morrissey finds another circus tent to sell his snake-oil.

I'm suddenly bored of all this. I think I'll leave it at that. It's been fun. Until the next time...if there is one.

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What a dick. I still think they suck. :D
 
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Quite.
 
BrummieBoy said:
Forgiven? By who? The Style Police? The Hipster Cool Council? Most sensible people build their lives and friendships on something of slightly more importance than whether or not they approve of other's choices of records or bands. Morrissey was clearly a ludicrous snob in his youth. Many of his choices were ignored by the mainstream NME consensus and it was fun to see Morrissey champion them whilst being elevated to be the NME consensus himself. Now, NME and Morrissey have little power to wield and everybody else feels free to mix and match with whatever amuses them at the time.

Of course, Morrissey's failed attempt to turn the pop song into some sort of secular religious substitute doesn't sit well with this Spotify world of playlists. Nobody is going to give him the credentials he had when he was the latest mouth-piece for NME and the record companies insisting that their were 'genius stars' and the rest was rubbish. Morrissey insists that nearly every other band is rubbish, unless he likes them. He now lives in a world where everyone else can dismiss him as rubbish if they don't like him. And guess what? On Social Media, he's no God like he was when NME controlled the musical landscape. He's an interesting legacy Boomer singer who is good for occassional lulz when he wigs out and makes controversial statements about his pet peeves.

The real story in all this is not The Ramones of The Smiths, it's how Google, Apple and Spotify exposed the truth, that music is just another 'lifstyle condiment' that people use to buffer their social media profiles or soundtrack their dinner parties. Nobody now believes it has revolutionary political or aesthetic potential other than old loons like Morrissey. Everybody was looking for the next Beatles, but it turns out Technology Destroyed The Pop Music Industry. Including it's self-appointed saviour, Morrissey.

A refreshing blast of common sense from Marky which soundly debunks Morrissey's endless revisionism. Thank God that cover of the naked sailors was nixed by The Ramones and/or Rhino. It's a real mistake letting Morrissey try to re-write the history of The Ramones as part of his own attempts to re-write his epicFAIL! episode of dissing them as a teenager. And if Marky was a real punk he'd have nothing to do with 40 year retrospectives either. It's just a job, always was. And the 'rebel yell' was always fake. Now it's all embalmed on Spotify like a museum of nonsense, including, of course, The Smiths and Morrissey, including WPINOYB once Morrissey finds another circus tent to sell his snake-oil.

I'm suddenly bored of all this. I think I'll leave it at that. It's been fun. Until the next time...if there is one.

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right, if there is one band that you can get the first time around, its the ramones. every single song was the same thing, but i guess moz had to go with the fashionistas when later the ramones became chic.
 
I've always hated them. That will never change. Like REM, all their songs sound alike. The only different sounding thing was the rap record he did with Dee Dee.
 
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right, if there is one band that you can get the first time around, its the ramones. every single song was the same thing, but i guess moz had to go with the fashionistas when later the ramones became chic.
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In fairness with the Ramones the thing to get wasn't finding the sound pleasing on your ears. If you're young it's easy to miss that. They never did much for me either way, I like a handful of their songs that's it. Then I can't think of any of Morrissey's favourites that did it for me.
 
BrummieBoy said:
Forgiven? By who? .......

I'm suddenly bored of all this. I think I'll leave it at that. It's been fun. Until the next time...if there is one.

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Ha! Forgiven by yourself, Broomyboy,....and forgiven by your Mama.

Have a nice day:)
 
21punksalute said:
I've always hated them. That will never change. Like REM, all their songs sound alike. The only different sounding thing was the rap record he did with Dee Dee.
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what about when they added keyboards and synths in 1986 for animal boy? that seemed pretty different to me though im not a fan of the band (ive read a lot about them). i kinda feel how charlie does in that there are a handful of songs with pop hooks that i can hum but thats about it for me.
 
I feel bad for Morrissey if he's having one of those f*** Morrissey-solo tshirt moments this morning. :D No fun. Still to forgive is divine and this guy isn't divine. Judy would agree.
 
CrystalGeezer said:
I feel bad for Morrissey if he's having one of those f*** Morrissey-solo tshirt moments this morning. :D No fun. Still to forgive is divine and this guy isn't divine. Judy would agree.
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"But for Morrissey, all of a sudden, 40 years later, to convince Rhino to put out a song-selected album that he put together? Give me a break.

I guess they just assumed that they would sell records with his name.


I don’t know why they have to use his name."

http://www.salon.com/2015/02/21/the...percent_fun_and_10_percent_pent_up_animosity/

f*** Morrissey-Solo?
f*** Morrissey, it seems, according to Marky. LOLOLOL! :lbf:

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The Ramones debuted in 1974 and the Sex Pistols in 1975. I wonder if there were any cross currents between the two like the Beetles and the Stones. I was never into The Ramones, but I loved Never Mind the Bollocks. Problems and Bodies my favorites.
 
evennow said:
The Ramones debuted in 1974 and the Sex Pistols in 1975. I wonder if there were any cross currents between the two like the Beetles and the Stones. I was never into The Ramones, but I loved Never Mind the Bollocks. Problems and Bodies my favorites.
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John Lydon mentions The Ramones in his book. He didn't seem too arsed about them one way or the other but said they seemed to have heavy backing where as the Pistols had none. I guess the inference was that the Pistols really did do it all themselves where as the Ramones were part of the machine.
 
Charlie Cheswick said:
John Lydon mentions The Ramones in his book. He didn't seem too arsed about them one way or the other but said they seemed to have heavy backing where as the Pistols had none. I guess the inference was that the Pistols really did do it all themselves where as the Ramones were part of the machine.
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I believe my first introduction to the Sex Pistols was the movie Sid and Nancy...completely disturbing and entertaining. From an American perspective it was a jaw dropping eye popping experience. I never got that feeling from The Ramones. Also, I quite enjoyed the music of PIL. I know nothing about Johnny the person...just his music. I wonder if the draw of The Ramones in England might be similar to that of the SP in America? Unfamiliar immediate anger and angst that most of us never fully explored in our youth. Especially for a boy from the suburbs it all seemed so foreign and captivating. It's a shame that kids today are left with One Direction and insert American boy band here.
 
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