"World Peace..." track-by-track review by Kenneth Partridge - Billboard

One thing that does shit me is the whole misogynistic angle some people are playing at with Kick The Bride. Yes that song doesn't paint a pleasant picture of the woman in the story. But there's nothing there suggesting he is talking about all women in all marriages ever. Fact is there are women who go in to marriage with this mind frame. Just as there are men who do the same, and plenty who don't. I personally know a woman who fits the bride in this song perfectly... If I were an artist I could write a song about her which could end up being identical to Kick The Bride, and it's not a stab at women, it's a stab at A woman. There's a world of difference. I think people almost want it to be misogyny so they have something to complain about. Not noticing any such uproar on I'm Not A Man. And this review goes one step further to suggest that Staircase could be misogynistic..how precious some people are. This is the sort of stuff that devalues real misogyny when it comes along.
 
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'cheap' & 'low' 'review' :rolleyes: oh, that blased critiquers...




p.s. without an apology
 
Pokey said:
One thing that does shit me is the whole misogynistic angle some people are playing at with Kick The Bride. Yes that song doesn't paint a pleasant picture of the woman in the story. But there's nothing there suggesting he is talking about all women in all marriages ever. Fact is there are women who go in to marriage with this mind frame. Just as there are men who do the same, and plenty who don't. I personally know a woman who fits the bride in this song perfectly... If I were an artist I could write a song about her which could end up being identical to Kick The Bride, and it's not a stab at women, it's a stab at A woman. There's a world of difference. I think people almost want it to be misogyny so they have something to complain about. Not noticing any such uproar on I'm Not A Man. And this review goes one step further to suggest that Staircase could be misogynistic..how previous some people are. This is the sort of stuff that devalues real misogyny when it comes along.
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This is exactly how i percieve the song, just some people love to throw the sexism card. Im Not A Man- much the same as this those points in that song which is suggesting makes you a man is how some people percieve how a man should be to be a proper man, so he is saying ok then im not a man, not that he is percieving all men to be like those listed. I didn't see the song sexist, it's more against sexism.
I read an Q&A with him and he got a question about vegetarianism and he used the 'wife beating' in the answer, it was a sort of 'oh it's not manly to be vege' he had this little jokey jibe saying oh what is it to be a man then? a wife beater? and thats kind of how i see this song.
 
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Agreed, Pokey—and the person who came to mind when I first heard Kick the Bride was my sister's ex-husband. I also hear it as variant retelling of William, It Was Really Nothing.
 
Pokey said:
One thing that does shit me is the whole misogynistic angle some people are playing at with Kick The Bride. Yes that song doesn't paint a pleasant picture of the woman in the story. But there's nothing there suggesting he is talking about all women in all marriages ever. Fact is there are women who go in to marriage with this mind frame. Just as there are men who do the same, and plenty who don't. I personally know a woman who fits the bride in this song perfectly... If I were an artist I could write a song about her which could end up being identical to Kick The Bride, and it's not a stab at women, it's a stab at A woman. There's a world of difference. I think people almost want it to be misogyny so they have something to complain about. Not noticing any such uproar on I'm Not A Man. And this review goes one step further to suggest that Staircase could be misogynistic..how previous some people are. This is the sort of stuff that devalues real misogyny when it comes along.
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Agreed. I don’t think it’s misogynist at all, honestly.
 
Well, let's not forget that the sum of human knowledge has never been greater than it is right... now, yet we live in an era where anti-intellectualism has taken firm hold of our culture, particularly in the West.

It is one of the reasons you can't point out the very obvious problem of Islamic terrorism, for example, without someone claiming you mean all Muslims are terrorists, and why you can't discuss benefit fraud without someone claiming you mean all benefit claimants are fraudsters, or why you can't write a song about a feckless, dissolute, gold digging bride without someone claiming you mean all women. Interestingly, such opinions always seem to come from a certain side.

We live in an era of idiots. We have done so for most of our history, of course, but now we hear them instantly, and loudly. Some even complain about a review which only gives their favourite singer a score of 77% on an average record that will be forgotten in six months.

I know. Strange, isn't it?
 
Is it just me or is "Kick the Bride" not about a particular woman who recently
departed company quite acrimoniously with Morrissey?
 
Women generally don't come off very well in Morrissey's songs. I'd say he probably does have some deep issues with them.
 
Agharta said:
Women generally don't come off very well in Morrissey's songs. I'd say he probably does have some deep issues with them.
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Or he has issues with people regardless of their gender. "Julie In The Weeds" is a complimentary song. "I'm Not A Man" criticises a certain type of male. You're looking at it a bit simplistically.
 
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Or he has issues with people regardless of their gender. "Julie In The Weeds" is a complimentary song. "I'm Not A Man" criticises a certain type of male. You're looking at it a bit simplistically.
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Probably, yes, you're right - certainly Morrissey does seem pathetically, tiresomely misanthropic these days.

Maybe he always was, but perhaps in the old days he just kept it in check and wrote better songs? Can't imagine The Smiths or early solo Moz sanctioning a song as godawful as 'Kick The Bride Down The Aisle'.....
 
Agharta said:
Probably, yes, you're right - certainly Morrissey does seem pathetically, tiresomely misanthropic these days.

Maybe he always was, but perhaps in the old days he just kept it in check and wrote better songs? Can't imagine The Smiths or early solo Moz sanctioning a song as godawful as 'Kick The Bride Down The Aisle'.....
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Have you only just discovered Morrissey?
 
Pokey said:
... it's not a stab at women, it's a stab at A woman...
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That's not correct. By convention, song lyrics are generalisable. You couldn't, for example, write a song called "Burn the Smelly Thieving Jew" and expect people to take seriously the excuse that it's just an innocent ditty about a particular person of a particular religious persuasion who happens to have kleptomania and a personal hygiene problem. What Morrissey has written is a song about heterosexual women. Defend the song if you like, but I don't think you'll convince many people by just playing dumb about it.
 
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Is it just me or is "Kick the Bride" not about a particular woman who recently
departed company quite acrimoniously with Morrissey?
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Not even close.
 
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